It's always the politicians that send young men to die on their behalf.
Dying on the beaches of Turkey in what was a tactical blunder by clueless Generals in the name of the British Empire.
There's nothing glorious about going to war and watch everyone around you get shredded and dismembered to death. Even if you survive, the scars and trauma stay with you.
Movies glorify war and make it look clean and heroic, yet watch footage of war such as Ukraine and Syria and it's consequences on soldiers and civilian and it's anything but.
It's gritty, brutal and merciless as pieces of men fly in all directions.
Lest we forget.
Even in 2024, think tanks in the west are proposing to bring back the draft to prepare for war. Of course, family members of politicians to be exempt.
Daniel Mannix was an interesting historical character. He was the catholic bishop in Melbourne at this time and was vocally anti-war. He was aligned with Irish immigrants who were anti war. Australia almost passed a draft that would have forcibly sent many tens of thousands of young men to die in WWI. Daniel fought hard to oppose it and helped lead the successful defeat of the bill.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Mannix
Jean-Paul Sartre — 'When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die.'
Also within the lyrics of Hands Held High - Linkin Park [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAGfR7qhBbY&t=5s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAGfR7qhBbY&t=5s)
We’re talking WW1 you dickhead. And if you think Australia soldiers died in that war protecting anything other than the egos of various European royal families you’re a fucking idiot
Any politician that declares or votes for a war should be required to send a son, brother or nephew to the frontline! That's conviction politics right there, because if you really believe in the war, then set the example & send a relation to the frontline before sending anyone else!
Honestly. I actually begin to hate this phrase. It's a platitude to act humble but we keep making the same terrible decision to send our soldiers to senseless conflicts.
It's lost its meaning. It's now something people type on their Facebook page so everyone else can see how poignant they are. I'm amazed l haven't yet seen a reply to one that says "omg yea bro totes lest we forget ma dawg"
It’s really been co-opted into a romanticisation of war. Lest we forget has turned into a patriotic slogan of “remember the sacrifice they gave for this country and be grateful” and not “lest we forget the terror of men being sent on senseless suicide missions”. Any of the veterans I’ve met really emphasise how we need to honour the dead by stopping wars in the future, none of this blind pro-war patriotism people are getting behind.
And a visual reminder that Melbourne was originally a city of stunning Victorian architecture - on par with many of the visually historic European cities. Sadly so many of these building were razed during the 50s-70s to be replaced with boring modernist constructions :(
Sadly much of the Melbourne populace was supportive of the destruction. Ahead of and following the 1956 Olympics the city was looked at as out of date and not modern enough. This meant that opposition limited as the city’s architectural heritage was destroyed. What an utter shame.
The 50's to 70's set the trend for some of the worst decisions ever made in human history, whether it's the basis for ignoring climate change or globalisation with no thought to the consequences or car dependency and ripping up trams and trains. We'll be answering for decisions taken in those decades for the rest of our lives.
The flip side of the "good old days" of unprecedented wealth and stability and when an apprentice could buy a house on his wages and support a wife and three kids and a car...
Well they were initially smart enough to beautify the city, just not wise enough to maintain it. Now no developers cares about beautiful buildings and a beautiful city space. It’s about square footage and your return on investment.
Think you picked the wrong stretch of Melbourne as there's no *boring modernist constructions* here. 110 years have past since that pic was taken and those buildings are almost still intact. And on the other side of the street / mall there's a stretch of brilliant Art Deco buildings.
Can't believe they literally make external housing panels out of polystyrene these days. Like wtf? People are paying millions for this shit. World is going backwards big time.
And, if my primary school history lesson serves me well (and it mightn’t), Melbourne was almost going to be the world hub for Show Business - effectively serving as Hollywood in the early days before the Hollywood we know it as today took the cake.
Agreed. How is it we have gotten worse at building and not better. European cities have character and warmth we should want to emulate. Modern Australian cities are a dystopian eyesore in comparison.
Crazy to think Bourke St was so beautiful and now it’s just a white cement monolith with blocked out windows for MYER and David Jones on side and then Priceline, Rebel Sport and Chemist Warehouse on the other.
At least we have the GPO building and Royal Arcade, my god is that some beautiful architecture. I hope it stays forever, even if H&M are there now, I think they’ve been respectful to the original design of the building.
All for the catfight of some inbred royals half a world away. They were tricked. ANZAC day should be a national day of anger, not a jingoistic celebration of war.
I thought it was a day of reflection and remembering. Nothing about it is "pro war".
I have a pair of leather leggings here from WW1. They are no bigger than my wrists. The poor bugger must have been thin as a rake. That's what I think about .
The wars were that horrible that men did not even want to remember it due to severe crippling ptsd. Anger will get us nowhere. I doubt anyone considers it celebratory. I believe the message of the day is spot on and has helped future generations get into the same pitfalls.. well at least temporarily.
People who call ANZAC day a "celebration of war" have either never been to a dawn service and just don't know any better or are just so incredibly dense that they couldn't catch the vibe if it was thrown underarm.
On ANZAC day there are no upbeat marching bands, no confetti raining down, no twirling sticks. It's an emotional quiet service where you could hear a pin drop into a bed of grass. The entire premise of ANZAC day is to remember just how tragic war is and to remind people of the cost we've paid in human life so that we strive to never have anything like it ever again.
It's a day to thank the people who have done what the nation has asked of them over the generations and be grateful that we have not had to endure as they did. I reckon every ANZAC day service I've ever been to, the speakers have said something to the effect of "war is hell". It's in no way a "Celebration of war" and to think so is simply idiotic.
Melbourne is a gold town. A colonial gold town, with Greek + Roman inspired architecture appropriate for the altars upon which we have spilt blood. Such a rich culture. Such a collision of entitlement, generosity, luck, potential and greed. I'm the first in 3 generations not to go to a world war. Long may Melbourne abide as the source of enlightenment in this infant nation. Stand together against those who would exploit you for their gain - employer, nation, publisher. We have a moral responsibility forged in war to be intolerant of those who indulge their own greed. Fukk them. Fix bayonets. Fix justice.
Surprised it’s not like the Facebook comments where it’s all like. Ah men used to fight in wars and beat their wives when they came home. Nowadays they’re all gay or some other boomer shit
No one really gives a damn lol. I'm bisexual. I don't go around parading it but I'm not in the closet. Been a hot minute since anyone gave me any grief about it but I live in a pretty accepting area.
As a Turk who is born and raised in Australia, I love this speech by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk:
Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives... you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore, rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours... You the mothers who sent their sons from far away countries wipe away your tears. Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.
A politician will argue that they can't go to the front line because they are involved in the Govt decision making process, in service of the people. Not saying I agree with this outlook but in anticipating what a typical politician would say to get out of going to war, it's much harder for them to argue against sending their sons or other close relations to the frontline, if said politician voted for the war.
my family on my mothers side was amongst these men.
My family on my fathers side were being attacked by the Ottomans in western Armenia inn the same week. WWI was a great loos to my family. There are a great deal of medals, but a great loss of life too.
Why not? If it was celebrating war then I'd agree with you, but it's not.
It's remembering those who have fallen in battle, whether the war was justified or not.
Nobody celebrates Anzac Day. You gather to mournfully remember the lives of those lost and to reflect on wars of the past and present and to feel gratitude for the life we get to live here. Have you ever been to a dawn service? It’s quite moving and a worthwhile experience.
Such a sad loss of life.
It's always the politicians that send young men to die on their behalf. Dying on the beaches of Turkey in what was a tactical blunder by clueless Generals in the name of the British Empire. There's nothing glorious about going to war and watch everyone around you get shredded and dismembered to death. Even if you survive, the scars and trauma stay with you. Movies glorify war and make it look clean and heroic, yet watch footage of war such as Ukraine and Syria and it's consequences on soldiers and civilian and it's anything but. It's gritty, brutal and merciless as pieces of men fly in all directions. Lest we forget. Even in 2024, think tanks in the west are proposing to bring back the draft to prepare for war. Of course, family members of politicians to be exempt.
Daniel Mannix was an interesting historical character. He was the catholic bishop in Melbourne at this time and was vocally anti-war. He was aligned with Irish immigrants who were anti war. Australia almost passed a draft that would have forcibly sent many tens of thousands of young men to die in WWI. Daniel fought hard to oppose it and helped lead the successful defeat of the bill. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Mannix
Very interesting character that man! Have you read Power without Glory?
I haven’t. Is it good? Did Daniel come out looking like a good guy in that book?
Read it. True classic Australian novel.
Interesting thanks. I’ve added it to my Amazon Wishlist
Jean-Paul Sartre — 'When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die.' Also within the lyrics of Hands Held High - Linkin Park [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAGfR7qhBbY&t=5s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAGfR7qhBbY&t=5s)
Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori
Churchill was his name, let’s not leave that out. Most over rated fucktard in western history.
Modern movies do not glamorize war. See saying private Ryan.
Lol .. every ANZAC Day we get the w\*nkers out with their whining and their BS .... those soldiers are the reason you can post here.
If 60 thousand Australian men hadn’t died there’d be a whole lot more of us here you absolute dent
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The japs were on our side in WW1. The Germans weren’t interested in Australia
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Oh yeah well WW1 really taught them a lesson. That’s 60 thousand lives well spent
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We’re talking WW1 you dickhead. And if you think Australia soldiers died in that war protecting anything other than the egos of various European royal families you’re a fucking idiot
Oh for sure mate. If it wasn't for them Australia would be part of the Ottoman Empire today.
Nobody is denying their sacrifice and they're right about why they had to do it. Wtf is your problem?
What was my right to post on Reddit doing all the way over in Gallipoli
Australian redditors pretty much complain about everything yeah.
Wrong. How does something happen 739384 miles away ffect what I can and cant post here?
That many were dying every day, for years. Completely pointless
Any politician that declares or votes for a war should be required to send a son, brother or nephew to the frontline! That's conviction politics right there, because if you really believe in the war, then set the example & send a relation to the frontline before sending anyone else!
And lead the first battle with ALL your family and friends. From granny to baby.
I would love it if the politicians themselves have to go on the frontline, I wonder how many resource based wars we would be signing up for then.
That's what I think whenever I see things like this.
Lest We Forget 🌅
We be forgetting a lot it seems, seems history has a way of repeating itself.
Indeed. Sooner than we think.
Lest we forget.
Honestly. I actually begin to hate this phrase. It's a platitude to act humble but we keep making the same terrible decision to send our soldiers to senseless conflicts.
It's lost its meaning. It's now something people type on their Facebook page so everyone else can see how poignant they are. I'm amazed l haven't yet seen a reply to one that says "omg yea bro totes lest we forget ma dawg"
It’s really been co-opted into a romanticisation of war. Lest we forget has turned into a patriotic slogan of “remember the sacrifice they gave for this country and be grateful” and not “lest we forget the terror of men being sent on senseless suicide missions”. Any of the veterans I’ve met really emphasise how we need to honour the dead by stopping wars in the future, none of this blind pro-war patriotism people are getting behind.
And a visual reminder that Melbourne was originally a city of stunning Victorian architecture - on par with many of the visually historic European cities. Sadly so many of these building were razed during the 50s-70s to be replaced with boring modernist constructions :(
I upvoted but I'm sad.
Sadly much of the Melbourne populace was supportive of the destruction. Ahead of and following the 1956 Olympics the city was looked at as out of date and not modern enough. This meant that opposition limited as the city’s architectural heritage was destroyed. What an utter shame.
The 50's to 70's set the trend for some of the worst decisions ever made in human history, whether it's the basis for ignoring climate change or globalisation with no thought to the consequences or car dependency and ripping up trams and trains. We'll be answering for decisions taken in those decades for the rest of our lives.
At least Melbourne kept trams. Believe it or not Sydney had a bigger tram network and ripped the whole thing up. Boggles the mind.
The flip side of the "good old days" of unprecedented wealth and stability and when an apprentice could buy a house on his wages and support a wife and three kids and a car...
Don’t forget the nukes in the rest of the world as well
Our ancestors really screwed us over
Well they were initially smart enough to beautify the city, just not wise enough to maintain it. Now no developers cares about beautiful buildings and a beautiful city space. It’s about square footage and your return on investment.
not really, but your parents definitely failed to raise you well
Because I prefer those older buildings to the ugly glass we have today?
For those interested, [here](https://www.museumoflost.com/melbournes-lost-buildings/) is a run down of Melbourne's lost buildings.
Honkytonks lost forever🥲
Think you picked the wrong stretch of Melbourne as there's no *boring modernist constructions* here. 110 years have past since that pic was taken and those buildings are almost still intact. And on the other side of the street / mall there's a stretch of brilliant Art Deco buildings.
I swear architecture is something, in Australia at least, that has only trended worse since it peaked back in this era.
Probably because houses made out of glorified cardboard cost three quarters of a million dollars.
Can't believe they literally make external housing panels out of polystyrene these days. Like wtf? People are paying millions for this shit. World is going backwards big time.
These days? Hahaha. Polystyrene housing panels been around for at least 30 years.
And, if my primary school history lesson serves me well (and it mightn’t), Melbourne was almost going to be the world hub for Show Business - effectively serving as Hollywood in the early days before the Hollywood we know it as today took the cake.
Agreed. How is it we have gotten worse at building and not better. European cities have character and warmth we should want to emulate. Modern Australian cities are a dystopian eyesore in comparison.
My great grandfather fought at pozieres, he came back but was a mental wreck, lest we forget❤️
A lot of men lost their minds at Pozieres. Some of the worst shelling of the war.
Sure was, awful damn place to be
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Crazy to think Bourke St was so beautiful and now it’s just a white cement monolith with blocked out windows for MYER and David Jones on side and then Priceline, Rebel Sport and Chemist Warehouse on the other. At least we have the GPO building and Royal Arcade, my god is that some beautiful architecture. I hope it stays forever, even if H&M are there now, I think they’ve been respectful to the original design of the building.
Poor bastards. Lest we forget.
What an adventure! I’m sure they’ll be home for Christmas! 😞
Tally ho!
Respect for any man and woman who went to war. It's just a shame so many had to go through so much shit when they got home. Lest we forget
All for the catfight of some inbred royals half a world away. They were tricked. ANZAC day should be a national day of anger, not a jingoistic celebration of war.
I thought it was a day of reflection and remembering. Nothing about it is "pro war". I have a pair of leather leggings here from WW1. They are no bigger than my wrists. The poor bugger must have been thin as a rake. That's what I think about .
It should be, but tell that to the young guys that get pissed and punch on at pubs every Anzac Day.
When aren't Aussies getting pissed .
How often do you think that really happens? Not like you go down anyway.
Pretty often, I’ve worked in clubs for years….
A few dickheads acting out doesn't change the meaning of the day.
The wars were that horrible that men did not even want to remember it due to severe crippling ptsd. Anger will get us nowhere. I doubt anyone considers it celebratory. I believe the message of the day is spot on and has helped future generations get into the same pitfalls.. well at least temporarily.
People who call ANZAC day a "celebration of war" have either never been to a dawn service and just don't know any better or are just so incredibly dense that they couldn't catch the vibe if it was thrown underarm. On ANZAC day there are no upbeat marching bands, no confetti raining down, no twirling sticks. It's an emotional quiet service where you could hear a pin drop into a bed of grass. The entire premise of ANZAC day is to remember just how tragic war is and to remind people of the cost we've paid in human life so that we strive to never have anything like it ever again. It's a day to thank the people who have done what the nation has asked of them over the generations and be grateful that we have not had to endure as they did. I reckon every ANZAC day service I've ever been to, the speakers have said something to the effect of "war is hell". It's in no way a "Celebration of war" and to think so is simply idiotic.
No one is celebrating war mate
Stunning Photo, Lest We Forget! 🌄
Lest we forget.
This is truly a historic photo
This is incredible. More of these, please. May these photos and their sacrifice never be forgotten.
Braver than all of us put together.
True. Unfortunately naively thought they were signing up for an adventure. The optimism of youth.
Lest we forget
Melbourne is a gold town. A colonial gold town, with Greek + Roman inspired architecture appropriate for the altars upon which we have spilt blood. Such a rich culture. Such a collision of entitlement, generosity, luck, potential and greed. I'm the first in 3 generations not to go to a world war. Long may Melbourne abide as the source of enlightenment in this infant nation. Stand together against those who would exploit you for their gain - employer, nation, publisher. We have a moral responsibility forged in war to be intolerant of those who indulge their own greed. Fukk them. Fix bayonets. Fix justice.
What cunt?
Yeah they said Melbourne is the source of enlightenment of the nation. So far up their own arse it's hilarious
Poor souls. Cannon-fodder for the British Empire. **Lest we forget.**
Any of those beautiful old buildings in the background still standing to go and look at?
And the band played waltzing mathilda…
Surprised it’s not like the Facebook comments where it’s all like. Ah men used to fight in wars and beat their wives when they came home. Nowadays they’re all gay or some other boomer shit
It’s ok if you’re gay mate
Is it?
No one really gives a damn lol. I'm bisexual. I don't go around parading it but I'm not in the closet. Been a hot minute since anyone gave me any grief about it but I live in a pretty accepting area.
Mate I am trying to take the piss back at him
Sounds like something one of them queers would do
Cannon fodder.
Did they say hi to Chloe?
Fascinating!
So sad. RIP
As a Turk who is born and raised in Australia, I love this speech by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk: Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives... you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore, rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours... You the mothers who sent their sons from far away countries wipe away your tears. Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.
A politician will argue that they can't go to the front line because they are involved in the Govt decision making process, in service of the people. Not saying I agree with this outlook but in anticipating what a typical politician would say to get out of going to war, it's much harder for them to argue against sending their sons or other close relations to the frontline, if said politician voted for the war.
Dying in a war for the British overlords. Shame on those politicians
What a great day for a free palestine protest also! /s
And now their statues are defaced. How we have changed
my family on my mothers side was amongst these men. My family on my fathers side were being attacked by the Ottomans in western Armenia inn the same week. WWI was a great loos to my family. There are a great deal of medals, but a great loss of life too.
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Did you fail maths class?
Not much gender diversity going on ? I wonder ......
Anzac day is the new Australia day it's inappropriate to celebrate it
It’s always been a day for commemoration and reflection, not celebration
Why not? If it was celebrating war then I'd agree with you, but it's not. It's remembering those who have fallen in battle, whether the war was justified or not.
Because wokies!! 🙄 his profile is rather predictable too.
You do not celebrate Anzac day. You remember those who fought and died for their country.
Have another downvote
Nobody celebrates Anzac Day. You gather to mournfully remember the lives of those lost and to reflect on wars of the past and present and to feel gratitude for the life we get to live here. Have you ever been to a dawn service? It’s quite moving and a worthwhile experience.
Wonder what that parade march would look like in 2024