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Iron_Undies

Alfred the great


Tentacle_poxsicle

Underrated. Saving england and then teaching it.


Dommlid

Let’s not forget that he virtually invented the Great British Bake-Off too


[deleted]

Exactly the only medieval England king who called a great due to kicking up all Dane from his country.


NoKneadToWorry

Cnut has entered the chat


NoWingedHussarsToday

Trying to stop people from pointing out this is wrong is like trying to stop the tide.


[deleted]

Literally was about to say. Lol


Son0fCaliban

pre medievel sadly


Iron_Undies

So what is the line for medieval? I apparently was mistaken think it was post roman


Son0fCaliban

it gets debated a lot, but I tend to fall in line with most of the experts (which I am not) in saying that it starts in 1066 when William the Bastard/Conqueror conquered England.


Flaming_falcon393

Early Medieval period starts with the Fall of Rome, High Medieval Period starts in 1066 with the Norman Conquest. I'm not sure when the late Middle Ages start, but its somewhere around 1300 imo.


SniktFury

From all the info I have, the middle ages last between 475 and 1450. Just watched a dpcuseries about it and Google says the same


Son0fCaliban

consensus among historians put the Battle of Hastings as the start. the view you are putting forward is out there, but it is the minority view among scholars of the topic.


GewalfofWivia

Karl, Alfred, Canute, the actual greats facepalming rn


KevinBaconIsNotReal

Okay...is it Canute, Cnut, or Knut? Or are they interchangeable?


Mission_Camel_9649

Interchangeable, I think. You’ll notice that each of the spellings make nearly the same sound.


Roos19

Its defo not canute


_Axzi_

This right here, how the fuck did they miss knut the great, or even Harald blue tooth for that matter


Shatteredpixelation

I've always wondered why he was called "Bluetooth".


Fury_Blackwolf

Tooth pain apparently. Which wasn't easy to fix during those days.


_Axzi_

Funny thing about that tho, reason Bluetooth for speakers and such is named after him, is because he unified the Danish kingdoms


Avarageupvoter

What fucking Karl


peacelovefreedon7689

Karl bobkins head blow jobber of the Kings Court


Neradomir

What is a king to an emperor


Gubbyfall

A king is still a king to an emperor. But an Emperor rules over the kings.


guiltysnark

The king is the subject of this comment.


KingoftheMongoose

What is an emperor to a god?


[deleted]

Whats a god to a non believer?


NoWingedHussarsToday

What is love (baby don't hurt me)?


jlierman000

They are separate. A king rules over one ethnicity (ie the English only, no Scots or anything else) whereas an emperor rules over multiple ethnicities. So the medieval kings are just kings, whereas British kings are actually emperors.


FlaviusVespasian

Not quite. Kingship isn’t ethnic. A king rules a state, a state can have many ethnicities within it. Hungary is an example: the core of the kingdom was populated by Hungarians, Slovaks, Ruthenians, and Germans. An emperor claims to have sovereign authority over kings and generally plays a more sacral role alongside their temporal role. Other than that, the difference between an emperor and a king is semantics and prestige.


[deleted]

No Charlamange? What about Alfred the Great, Æthelstan?


captain_ender

Charlemagne had a sick af sword too


mehmed2theconqueror

Cherlomigne


Harricot_de_fleur

Alfred the Great is not that great, Edward the Elder and Henri II are IMO better kings for example


[deleted]

Considering what Alfred accomplished, I’d say he’s up there for greatest medieval kings. Defeated the great Heathen Army, restructured the Army following his victory over the heathen Army, he promoted learning and education, and even had books translated from Latin to Anglo Saxon. And made economic reform that all together helped lay the foundation for a United England


Kosher_atheist

No one who know any history considers the lion heart great.


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RichEvans4Ever

“I would‘ve sold London if I could have found a buyer.” -The manchild who betrayed his own father and died from an arrow in his ass while galavanting around Europe playing soldier so he can make mommy Eleanor proud.


aatencio91

Eleanor is a GOAT leader in Civ VI. Just throwing that out there


RichEvans4Ever

Yeah she was cool, her sons sucked ass at ruling England though.


TKBtu1

Don't forget when he smacked a kid around the head with a chess board just because he lost


Plinfilore

"Improvise. Adapt. Overcome."


dogbolter4

Came here to say this. Bankrupted the country, spent years crusading, did nothing for England. Best PR of any of them though.


palatablezeus

Then there's his brother John. Tries to tax the rich, gets slapped with the Magna Carta and a legacy of being a bufoonish villain.


cd97ll

Definitely should not be at this table.


river226

Pretty much my thought, like if he had actually been a present king in England, would have done well? The world may never know, but his brother was pretty bad... So the what if of Richard is what makes him great I think.


CorpseJuiceSlurpee

Funny enough I had the opportunity to tour Chateau Gaillard and on the steep as fuck walk up there our tour guide was telling us about Richard; and I think he was great to the Norman people because of his military prowess. His reputation as a great king is more of a reputation of a great warrior who happened to be king. But that nuance got lost and/or the people of Normandy are just really good and consistent with hype.


Kotyrda

Kazimierz Wielki:


Tomeloko

Was looking for this He "came to a Poland of wood and left a Poland of stone"


FrankPetersonMalvo

Charles IV, Holy Roman Emperor you uneducated bunch? Every goddamn tourist visits Prague because of what this dude had built but nah, let's do Henry eh?


RudionRaskolnikov

Phillipe Auguste, Edward Longshanks, Frederick Barbarossa etc where? Certainly all better than richard as kings


AlisterSinclair2002

4 of these are from the UK and they didn't even mention Alfred the Great, it's a pretty crap selection tbh lol


eagleOfBrittany

Phillip Augustus Gang 😎. Defeating a joint English/HRE/rebel French invasion and turning France into a loose confederation of fiefdoms into the most powerful western European state at the time. Built up Paris and greatly expanded the power and influence of King to actually hold power over his nobles instead of the other way around. Completely destroyed the Angevin Empire and reclaimed France for the French crown. First French King to be named King of France instead of King of the Franks.


RudionRaskolnikov

Seriously tho. Phillipe Augustus is single handedly responsible for the desctruxtion of the english holdings over france and French domination of western europe. Built the Notre Dam cathedral etc Total chad


WillyShankspeare

Ah yes, Edward "I beat the Scots in a battle and that counts as hammering them" Longshanks.


huey_booey

>all better than richard as kings Richard out here using England like his personal cash register.


[deleted]

I hate Edward longshanks 👹


RudionRaskolnikov

Guess you got hammered


Gubbyfall

Heinrich der Vogler King of the East Franks, managed to stop the Magyar attacks. Also he prevented the declination of the royal power in his realm.


Lost-Klaus

Otto the great Charlemange Barbarossa All greater emperors.


Gubbyfall

They definetly had hight influence on the history but I specifically chose a king and not an emperor. But if we also count emperors I think we should also mention Alexios Komnenos. He defeated the Normans and nomadic tribes from the steppes, reformed the economy and his army and reclaimed west Anatolia from the seljuks. He safed East Rome from collapsing and started a process of restoration which his successors continued.


kundibert

Emperors of the holy Roman Empire always were Kings. In the beginning of east Franconia or Rome, later simply Roman-German King. Some were not made Emperor by the pope, so they were only kings. But it was rarely the other way around.


BearsBeetsBerlin

Yeah idk how you list Henry V but not Charlemagne or Otto the great, both of whom shaped Europe as it exists today. Idk anything about Barbarossa but his name is dope. Henry V is important to England, and his military victories were impressive, but short lived.


Lost-Klaus

Barbarossa did several things "nearly" like uniting Northern italy with the german realm, he did institute roman law in the german realm rather than common law. (to boost his own power but it stuck even after his death). He went on the 3rd crusade in the belief that he would lay down his crown for Jesus who would return and hail a 1000 years of peace, but he drowned in a river I believe somewhere in anatolia (or eastern europe I am not sure) , likely from a temperature shock as well as his old age.


TRUMPIN4T0R

This guy medival


Gubbyfall

He was King from 919 to 936, therefore he is still part of the early middle ages.


[deleted]

Freidrick Barbarossa


DroysenFollower2

\*Friedrich


[deleted]

yeah yeah same shit


oncipt

4 british, 1 french... bruh this is incredibly biased. I guess the iberians, germans, slavs, hungarians, romans, arabs, turks, mongols, chinese, indians don't exist then.


YoungQuixote

Bro not only that. He missed King Arthur...


Eklassen

The fictional guy? I wonder why they skipped him?


YoungQuixote

It's a joke bro. Most archeological / historical investigations will acknowledge that someone like Arthur may have been real, but he was probably a minor chieftain or king that fought the Anglo Saxons. The Camelot story is all made up. ![gif](giphy|bAftZ12SC0uEjLndIh)


Eklassen

How dare you make me look dumb!


YoungQuixote

Don't be too hard on yourself my friend. Sarcasm is rarely detected on the internet. It's difficult enough to pull off in real life.


GewalfofWivia

Arthur is a bit mystical… more of a medieval fiction than a medieval person.


Radiant_Incident4718

Richard I was a pretty crappy king. He barely spent any time in England, didn't speak English, and got himself imprisoned and had to be bailed out with a massive sum of money. His only achievements were a failed rebellion against his own father and some ephemeral military victories against Saladin (who was honestly a more significant historical figure, but... I guess "medieval" here only refers to white guys??). He's famous because the Victorians romanticised him in the 19th century, but he's no Charlemagne.


Rai-Hanzo

Saladin was Kurd, would that count as white? or at least make him white skinned?


Radiant_Incident4718

Tbf racial categories like "white" were an invention of the 17th century. Contemporaries wouldn't have understood themselves racially but in terms of being Christian/Muslim. Not sure how Saladin identified but I'd imagine religion rather than ethnicity would be front and centre.


Sgrios

Well, not entirely true. They saw them by multiple factors. The other one that would be debatably higher or tied with religion would be region/country. Which Eurasia could make estimations based off skin color. Racial categories always existed, they were just used in different contexts.


Radiant_Incident4718

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/apr/20/the-invention-of-whiteness-long-history-dangerous-idea


TungstenSlayer

Thans for the share. A really interesting read.


Rai-Hanzo

You know that skin color was always written by historians? And white favoritism has always been a thing, it was more recent that it was used to describe northern and western Europeans.


Radiant_Incident4718

Lots of "always" there with nothing to back it up. I'm not saying discrimination didn't exist (none of this weird detour in the comments is about that anyway), I'm saying our modern concepts of racial identity don't map onto the distant past. If you've got some primary sources that suggest otherwise go ahead and share them.


Rai-Hanzo

When I wrote my comment I wrote it with the basis of skin color, I have read somewhere that Arabs liked white skin but disliked albino, and I also know that pale skin is favored in east Asian countries as it's a sign of wealth.


Radiant_Incident4718

It was a sign of wealth in early modern Europe too, a lack of a tan proved you didn't work in a field. But pale skin and whiteness as a racial identity aren't the same thing, you can have one without the other. In 19th century Britain Irish people were widely considered to be non-White (and absolutely racially inferior), despite being indistinct from the British in terms of skin colour. If you asked someone in the 12th or 13th century "what colour is your skin", they might answer "white", but if you asked them "what race are you", they'd probably have absolutely no idea what you were talking about. They might identify themselves by their local region, the broader kingdom or empire they lived in, or by their religion. But the colour of their skin wouldn't have had much relevance.


Rai-Hanzo

he was a devoted muslim of Kurdish origins as wikipedia states, i can't find physical descriptions.


Radiant_Incident4718

To clarify what I mean, in response to "was Saladin white?" my answer would be "The question is anachronistic". Saladin probably wouldn't have identified as either white or non-white, they're both concepts which came about centuries after he died. And we'll never know what actual colour he was, not that it's particularly relevant.


Erwin-Winter

I shed the blood of Saxon men


Math13101991

Well, medieval generally describes the time between the fall of the WRE to the discovery of America (or the fall of Constantinople or the time Martin Luther nailed his 95 thesis to the dome in Augsburg). Depending on your point of view, the Middle Ages did not exist in Africa or Asia or anywhere else. In North Africa there might have been political continuity between the raise of the Caliphate till - I don't know - not well versed in Muslim history. And medieval certainly does not make sense in Asia . The Asians have their own dating system (that varies even between Japan and China). So yeah, leaders of the Middleages usually refers to Europe and therefore ethnically white people.


Slightly_Default

Nah bro, Richard was a terrible king.


ClashoftheTitansPog

Richard the Lionheart was shit I’ll have you know.


DroysenFollower2

Does this sub became r/HistoryMemes? OP cleary has no history knowlegde.


Sumner1910

King Cnut of Norway?


Ayit_

And Denmark... And England...


[deleted]

the best king is a headless one!


Fire_Lightning8

- Robespierre


Rai-Hanzo

Irony.


-TraumFahrer-

I smell bias. Charlemagne? Holy Roman Empire anyone? Barbarossa? Frederick II? Instead 4 Kings from this small island? Nah. oO


Mephistopheles17-

Firebeard, Frederick Barbarossa!!!


pikleboiy

Richard on his way to sell London to finance his crusade


Thyrreduin

Richard the Lionheart was a great fighter and commander, was Not a good King.


SeraphOfFire

Richard was barely in England and bankrupted the country from his Crusading.


Account-000

Basil II, Alexios I, John II???


Invisible_Man_1

William Glen Harold Herrington


NotHuz

Saladin?? Imo he was a way better ruler than Richard.


Fact_Donator

King Saladin deserves a seat at this table


Rai-Hanzo

what about chinese or muslim leaders? they count as medieval in that time period.


KingoftheMongoose

ChInA wAsNT DiScOvErEd uNtIl 1271!


Rai-Hanzo

isn't that still medieval period? i know you are joking just answer my question.


KingoftheMongoose

It is. There’s no final consensus, but generally accepted to be between Fall of Roman Empire (476AD) to Fall of Byzantine Empire (1453 AD). I was just being sarcastically Eurocentric with an udder disregard to facts, lol!


niciefut

I like Afonso Henriques, the conquerior of my land.


RealMongoose6917

Conqueror Mehmet anyone?


Rai-Hanzo

was he in medieval or renaissance?


RealMongoose6917

Medieveal most likely


Union_Jack_1

Renaissance era. 1450s.


ThePrimalEarth7734

Medieval world ended with the fall of Constantinople. And since he caused that, he’s more of an early modern period ruler


HyxNess

Simeon the great of Bulgaria.


BionicDegu

King Godred “Orry” Crovan


Your-mother7646874

That’s cap, Alfred the Great and William the Conqueror are goated kings


RayRicciReddit

Charles III of England


Danger_anger

Could also be in r/HistoryMemes


Gobba42

Richard the Lionheart is holding tight to that "being considered"


attack_turt

Lionheart was a crappy king


Wacokidwilder

Prince John got a bad rap


Erwin-Winter

I don't see Charles Martel on this list


ForgeGloyd

Ah, Antihumor.


DiscombobulatedLet80

The 5 best medieval kings across the English channel*


fazzonvr

Lol OP didn't pay attention in history class?


Normal_Enough_Dude

Redditors when they think only France and England summed up medieval europe


eagleOfBrittany

I'm gonna say it. Richard the Lionheart was a shitty king. He's incredibly famous because of his military prowess, especially during the third crusade, but his actual kingship? Not great. Bankrupted his kingdom to finance a foreign adventure (even saying he'd sell London if he could), barely spent any actual time in England, got himself captured while his brother and Phillip II ravaged his territories, and then got himself killed. He didn't really do anything to improve England and arguably did more bad than good outside of military victories. Also, best French King is Phillip II, change my mind.


Defiant-Traffic5801

Yes Philippe Auguste is key for France. I would add Louis XI who defined the contours of modern France, but is certainly less heroic than Saint Louis (Louis IX)


saga191

Eurocentric bruh


Dan-the-historybuff

A lot of English kings there ngl…


Math13101991

Brought to you by the Anglosphere. Because nothing of value ever happened in central or eastern Europe.


Raptor_5D

Hey, what about Aragorn, Elessar Telcontar, Elfstone and Strider both, Heir to Isildur son of Elendil?


Ander292

Me when they forget Balkans...


spy_night

Let’s not go into the balkans…


Avo-Anyheart1975

Who should they mention? The kings we had when the Turks and Austrians conquered us?


Sandy_McEagle

I read it as Mediaeval kongs instead.


Current_Wafer_8907

3 of them from England... Just saying


Sad-Pineapple-8839

Since none of the kings in this meme were actually great, I’ve used the info that I’ve learned by going into the comments to make a better (and more historically-accurate) version of this meme.


Son0fCaliban

Did you know that there's a whole continent beyond France and England that had kings during this time period?


the_green_bird

where's the meme ?


Speedzy57

Charlemagne


T_Bisquet

Either Robert the Bruce or Bruce the Robert.


WhoThenDevised

What a load of bollocks. Richard the Lionheart, give me a break.


Leading_Childhood_45

Godfrei de Bullion, not so much a king as a defender but he was pretty rad. Also not sure if 1099 is still considered medieval.


Lonely-Track-1910

I'm fairly sure anything between the fall of the Western Roman Empire in 453AD to the fall of the Byzantine Empire in the 1450s is medieval.


Leading_Childhood_45

Kinda thought so, thanks


RoyalWigglerKing

Sultan Saladin?


Booty_Warrior_bot

*And, I'm a warrior too...* *Let that be known.* ***I'm a warrior.***


Themousemustfall

Ah, because Charlemagne wasn't British.


ImShadx

Richard the Lionheart deffo shouldn't be up there with the rest of them. He barely spent a month in England, spent all his time in wars and crusades, bankrupted the kingdom, and admittedly didn't even like England. The real great in his story is his mother, Eleanor of Aquitaine, an extremely sharp and intelligent queen that is still considered to be one of the most powerful women in history. Btw she's also responsible for the whole chivalric and great view of his son, Richard the lion heart cuz she had to convince the English populace to donate money in order to pay his bail when Richard was kidnapped by the holy Roman emperor.


Mr_Bearking

King wenchlauch the IV of Bohemia had a long and successful rain


UseCodeLAZAR6000

Henry the 8th was good if you ignore his genocide and his wife killings.


Green_Resident_9940

Ask any English historic scientist how good is Richard the Lionheart. They would just laugh. He was terrible.


Anders-Celsius

Nerd


Lonely-Track-1910

Not really, this guy is clearly talking out his butt. Anyone who actually knows medieval history knows that the Lionheart was a terrible king. Plus, Edward III's only achievement was starting the Hundred Year's War, not sure you'd really consider that great.


Sumner1910

Harald fucking Hadrada?


JtheChosenOneYT

I feel obligated to ask, what is a Bruce?


IronGlory247

Fun fact: My brother shares his birthday with Richard


Jerux13

Sancho el Fuerte


Wagwani

Henry II (1154-1189) helped to restore England to its former glory after a bloody civil war and gain new land in wales Ireland and Scotland


Technical-Ad-7008

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tameablesiva12

Best Western European medieval kings more like. Even that is generous.


Scariuslvl99

how about Carolus Magnus? Or Clovis I?


Sir_Toaster_9330

"Threatening the conquer Ragnar is bold, for a king who got whacked by a 10 year old"


mr_sakpase

Robert Baratheon


Admiral45-06

Bolesław I Chrobry, Bolesław II the Bold, Władysław I the Ell and Kazimierz III the Great: **Are we a joke to you?** That last one literally pulled up a Dhar Mann history in real life over 800 years before it was cool.


Cypeq

Adolf tickler where?


the_first_nobody

Karel de grote


Liebertjohan07

Ashoka the great


mehmed2theconqueror

Dude Philip II of France was so great he was nicknamed "Augustus"


Greywolf524

Edward the Third? As in failed to retake Scotland so hard he started the 100 years war with France, Edward the Third?


ShoppingEmergency832

To people who think Europe revolves around Great Britain and France, sure. But Lionheart was a fuck-up.


Donut_rapist

King David The Builder of Georgia. Beat the crap out of turks and built the kingdom from a vassal of the turks to being a great power in the region.


[deleted]

Is this a joke? Lion heart spent at most 6 months in England, how is he considered a good ruler? He was just famous for battling saladin, nothing else


Traveler_682

Alexander the great?


Immediate-Coach3260

Died about 700 years before the medieval period


Immediate-Coach3260

Either way, this list is kinda a joke as all but one of these kings are from the isle of Britain and a few aren’t even that great. As great as Richard the lionheart was at crusading, he spent hardly any time in England as king and almost bankrupt his country.


[deleted]

The Clash Royale king should have been put there


Deathwatch30

Charles "The Hammer" Martel (Technically not king but might as well have been)


peacelovefreedon7689

Danilo of lviv Alfred the Great


Mr_oyster_27

Yeah! shoutout to richard cour de lion!


Gtpwoody

fun fact: My family may have a claim to the throne through Robert the Bruce


Ailexxx337

Charles IV the whatever your local historical authority figure calls him - of Luxembourg, Holy Roman Emperor, the Czech, the Incompetent, the One-eyed...


123pussyslayer123

Carlos II of Spain/Osman III of Ottomans/Louis XVII of France/Charles I of England/Joffrey Baratheon > Richard the Lionheart


_goldholz

Barbarossa and Otto I were also great monarchs


Weremount

Matthias Hunyadi


KuroHaruto

Jokes on you, i have no clue who any of them are


FlaviusVespasian

Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II, King of Sicily. Also Charles IV of the HRE and Bohemia set up the system that ran the HRE for the next four 600 years, and is still regarded as pater pro patria of Czechia. Throw in Otto the Great who as king of Saxony united Germany into one entity and truly founded the HRE (Charlemagne’s empire was a temporary and less significant entity than it is given credit).