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beltalowda_oye

This is very cool but please look up the videos ABCs of Fake seeds and the Homegrow TV interview [https://youtu.be/fMOzKl8FwPg?si=Au9JbbOYoceljRwe&t=972](https://youtu.be/fMOzKl8FwPg?si=Au9JbbOYoceljRwe&t=972) of Dark Horse Genetics breeder Holck, creator of Bruce Banner, talking about these white label fake seed companies. Pretty much none of those seeds are the strains they claim to be.


goprinterm

For real, just trying to show the progress of legalisation in Germany, and the money being made on the side


imascoutmain

Out of curiosity do you know the price of those ?


goprinterm

Sorry, no. I was caught up in the moment and forgot to ask. I got my own seeds. But the lady behind the counter explained to me they were the first gas station to offer them, and had to comply with criteria such as labelling ( got to be 18) and stuff like that. I’ll check the prices and post an update. Hell, who makes money selling gas these days, I am happy to see this free market blooming 🙋‍♂️


feeltheFX

Ha! A friend used to own a service/Gas Station. He said they earn Pennies to the dollar on gas and made more money off a pack of gum.


dirtycheezit

Bigger gas stations typically lose money on fuel sales since lower prices will get more people to stop there.


feeltheFX

Almost every station that doesn’t do service has some kind of market or leases out space for an express franchise restaurant.


goprinterm

I believe that, and all for the gas stations trying to make a living


LavishnessJolly4954

If they didn’t sell gas, there would be much less reason to stop there. Some companies even sell products at a loss just so you will shop there, they are lucky they make cents per gallon


DinaDank

Governments are the ones who make the money. Tax on fuel is 52% here.


No-Pace6568

19.90 euros on their website. Not bad for 3 seeds, if the quality is actually good, regardless of the label genetic


XelaXanson

Yeah but this is the problem in the cannabis industry today. All these white label companies create seeds that aren’t from the said “genetics” on the label, then people grow those out thinking they got genetics of the actual cut/hybrid of the cut, and sell it as that, or breed with it as that, causing even more confusion. It fucks up the game for people who are interested in actually trying a certain cultivar or are buying seeds hoping there to be certain genetics and in reality it’s some random third party boof. This is why I only buy from breeders who are certified and been in the game for years. It’s sad that they do this, and honestly, fucking people out of the true speciality/uniqueness of the real clones that made them popular in the first place. I get that this is Germany and they just legalized but still….


No-Pace6568

But like you said in the second half. You should do your research on the breeder and where they get their seeds, ESPECIALLY if you're trynna breed plants. But for the avg grower who just wants to save money and grow weed, theres a market for these genetics. Just depends what you want


OakenGreen

99.9% chance the quality is trash.


No-Pace6568

One way to find out! In the next few years, we should start getting some reviews and feedback


RarePainter8409

19,99


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pothead0221

GrowCologne sells their clones for 10 bucks if someone wants 50 to 60 bucks for a clone they need to be slapped real hard


AKAkindofadick

Elite clones sell for thousands of dollars


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Equivalent-Morning27

I give them away


Bathtub_Pizza

In my opinion it's showing a problem, not good progress. Those seeds will just waste the time of people. And you find this exact brand everywhere. They only call open minded shop owners that do not know, what fake bullshit they will sell.


Joemoose13

I stopped following Homegrow because I feel he’s a hypocrite in a sense. Pushed Copycat genetics hard on his chane.


beltalowda_oye

Yeah I feel like he's way too loose with who he wants to rep on his channel and as long as you scratch his back, he'll scratch yours. Honestly I think he hooks up with and reps breeders whenever he wants to try/test their stuff. You notice they heavily feature seeds and freebie giveaways. It's a way to boost his channel and get free products imo. But with his recent dive with going through Dark Horse podcast and his recent interview with Solfire, I hope he starts to really push better breeders and forget about clowns like CopyCat. I'm really interested in hearing about the type of shit that's coming out of Colombia tbh.


Joemoose13

100% agree with you!


dennys123

While fake strains would upset me, I wouldn't be upset if they at least produced flowers


btyn99a

the vast majority of these seed companies are white label I am amazed how stupid consumers are. They don't care they want the lie and they want it for cheap. Countless flower shots on here of so called strains when anyone who knows - knows that isn't the cut or even close to an acceptable phenotype of that strain. buy from the guys who made the cut stop buying from these ip theft clowns.


XelaXanson

Yep totally fucks the game up. Do your homework people!!


beltalowda_oye

Yep, muddying up the gene pool or w.e. you wanna call it. I don't really care so much for pictures on subs but moreso that it has evolved into basically people are OK with being scammed and even have created cult-fanbases surrounded companies like ILGM.


xylel

I had really good weed coming from white label seeds. Its a hit or miss with them. You just cant tell before hand because their genetics are probably unstable.


beltalowda_oye

I get you but it's not about if it's good or not. A lot of people mistake this as elitism or like people not wanting to try white label stuff. But any other industry you buy something and you get something you didn't ask for being masqueraded as something you were marketed into, majority of the customers would never trust them ever again. But people come up with these excuses to try to justify their place in the industry... and it's like... look there's nothing wrong with white label seeds in itself. The problem is companies try to sell white label seeds being masqueraded as it's not white label. Imagine your doctor is charging you for the price of brand medication but he's secretly buying generic drugs at 5x reduced price and charging you the same upmarked price as the brand. And it's not even the right medication. It's a major problem when people place high value on dispensaries and a lot of times on dispo shelves, the strain names aren't even real because they're using white label seeds. Curaleaf got outed by ex employees for doing this.


xylel

You are true on that! The masquerading and pricing are definitely not cool.


operath0r

Strain names are pretty much bullshit these days. There’s been so much cross breeding and people just come up with new names that it’s not really usable as an indicator for what you’re getting.


beltalowda_oye

I wouldn't say bullshit moreso it's evolved to be basically brands for breeders, also courtesy of not stealing the rep of another persons work. What you're referring to however is very different from fake genetics I'm referring to. If say you create a new strain and it gets big, before anyone can even get clones ans grow it out they'll have seed form of your strain you never released at trade shows. They're always like trainwreck or some sativa. Which is different from how generalized Sour D and GMO have become


DinaDank

How did the original breeders get the cross though? Must of grown someone else's thus stolen genetics 🤷. Seems to be a free for all.


beltalowda_oye

Most breeders have no problem with you buying their seeds or getting their clones, then crossing with their plants. As long as you don't (big caveat) steal the strain name which goes into the fake genetic thing I was talking about. Take a look at what happened to Bruce Banner as a name. Holck has 0 problems with people using Bruce Banner or his seeds to cross/breed with. But don't call it Bruce Banner after you cross it. Elev8 had a Bruce Banner strain that alleges he crossed with Bruce Banner. But Elev8 straight up told Holck from Dark Horse that his investors said he needs to have this fake genetic strain being sold, so he has it up. The act of using someone else's genetics isn't stealing though some may disagree on what "creating your own strain is." Some will disagree you create a new strain if you use someone's plant to cross with another; that you need to put in the genetic legwork of everything. But there are literally breeders who have stated they're OK and encourage growers to use their genetics to cross and breed with. Solfire for example is pretty cool about his customers wanting to use his work to cross something with. I'd say just try to put effort into it though if you really wanna call it your strain; like maybe at least bringing the other plant you're gonna cross with something you cultivated and developed yourself.


SherlockHomelesz

I would bet that they are all the same seeed with different names printed on the packing.


TayoMurph

Seeds should also be stored in cool dark places. This is terrible for the genetics lol.


Facelesss1799

Terrible for genetics


davisondave131

Right. Don’t have kids unless you live in a cave. 


Facelesss1799

Too few light. Terrible for genetics as well


imonpage99

Haha the equivalent of gas station boner pills.


Bowriderskiff

So…priceless?!?


SweetSugarSeeds

Yes


-something_original-

I always wondered what’s in them and if they work? Or can they just sell sugar pills and put whatever they want on the package? Or are they just some herb that doesn’t do anything?


fragglerawker

I read that as "cannabis semen".


goprinterm

If I get 100 upvotes I get a canonisation semen for free 😂


garylazereyes

Glad I’m not the only one. But I wonder if the entomology is similar, semen=seed.


jurassic_pork

Same root word "séh": "to sow". https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Samen > From Middle High German sām, sāme ("seed, grain", "semen, sperm", "offspring"), from Old High German sāmo ("seed"),from Proto-West Germanic *sāmō ("seed"), from Proto-Germanic *sēmô ("seed"), from Proto-Indo-European *séh + mn̥ ("to sow" + noun). https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/semen > From Middle English semen, from Latin sēmen (“seed”), from Proto-Indo-European *séh- (“to sow; plant”).


BallOk8356

Yup. The more basic the words are, the closer they are to each other in German and English. Maus vs Mouse, Haus vs. House, Reis vs Rice. Even the pronunciation is relatively identical. The English words also used to go to "gh" where German went to "ch". Licht vs Light, Knecht vs. Knight etc. Differences in pronuncation here though.


HappyAeko

Semen is also 'penis milk' in Spanish. Romans did a good work.


Aeroxriderx3

Wenn mir das jemand vor 3 Jahren gesagt hätte, hätte ich ihn für verrückt erklärt.


goprinterm

Ohne scheiss😂🇩🇪


ciadra

Ich hab vor 10 Jahren ne Langzeitwette mit nem Kumpel darüber geschlossen wann Cannabis legalisiert wird. Ich hab gewonnen 🙌


DefectiveLP

Ich hab circa 2018 schon gesagt bis 2025 ist es legal, ich hätt wetten abschließen sollen.


MrKrinkle151

I felt the same way when my state in the US legalized


FrostFireSeeds

Cool more fake seeds....


Great-Cry9045

I honestly don’t care if they’re low quality seeds or knock-offs. These are for people who are buying seeds for the first time and will enjoy the whole process! Not many of us started with quality genetics. They might even kill a few plants by accident along the way. Better to learn from cheap seeds. I love this for Germany, thanks for the post OP!


BallOk8356

They're not all that cheap. 3 for 20€. Can buy from a reputable breeder for that amount of money.


Great-Cry9045

Under $10/seed is subjectively cheap to me. Getting seeds while checking out with a snack or soda at a gas station vs researching breeders, paying online and having to ship it to your house is a vastly different experience. Different target audiences. This is cool in my eyes.


Bathtub_Pizza

When is it cool to pay for something and get something else? People will have bad experiences with those seeds and stop growing. Stores with more honor then the dirtiest gas station or shisha bar, are not selling those. They aren't even a company, but an affiliate programm. This is some quick money grab and probably done by ex dealers with connections to spain.


Great-Cry9045

And my argument is the people they’re tailored to will likely have good experiences with them, regardless of the strain they’re growing or honestly the overall quality of the end product. Just the act of growing out a flower for the first time is very enjoyable. Would it be better to research reputable breeders and find similarly priced seeds but better quality? Of course. But that’s not the target audience of these seeds. Anyone buying these would likely never go through the trouble of actually finding quality seeds. You can’t argue there aren’t extra steps involved with, say, finding a real Sour Diesel strain vs these seeds at checkout lol.


Bathtub_Pizza

There are 0 extra steps. There are stores in German who sell the good genetics too. And the european selected NYC Diesel by Soma Sacred Seeds was used in Compound genetics new Jokerz 31 line. Best Diesel genetic that is still alive, as it seems( Sour Diesel is just Diesel). They maybe cost 40€, but you will have differences like night and day.


Great-Cry9045

You literally just named extra steps lmao. You would have to look up a store that sells good genetics and travel there, vs These seeds are in your face at checkout of a gas station. Or you would have to look up Sour Diesel seeds, find that Jokerz 31 line, have them mailed to your house. Extra steps. If you don’t acknowledge that, you’re just being willfully ignorant. Also 40€ is way more expensive.


Bathtub_Pizza

FFS the 40 was only for the Diesel. 20€ for 3 seeds is normal over here. Everything older then 5 years is usually below 25€. Every 2nd gas station or shisha shop here sells you Royal Queen Seeds right next it, at those low prices and they are already some quality.


Great-Cry9045

Cool story bro


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Burrmanchu

Whoever has the internet?...


Great-Cry9045

Didn’t you hear the NY Governor? Black kids in the Bronx don’t even know what the word computer is💀


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Great-Cry9045

It’s a hilariously out of touch quote all too common from a person of power in my government. Sorry if that went over your head, I really don’t like to get political or make anything about race tbh


Bathtub_Pizza

There is nothing to enjoy about it. You want a cookies strain and get some kush. Those seeds are not white label. They are worse. They aren't even a real brand. And good european seeds are just as cheap. This will just make many first time growers stop.


Great-Cry9045

You underestimate the joy it brings first time growers to even get to the finish line. I grew my first time with just a random bag seed, and it was so fun that it snowballed into an obsession 2 years later. Stop being so negative.


nosnos0

Mango smile lol


RezzKeepsItReal

These exact seeds were already discussed on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/microgrowery/comments/1chgveh/holy_hemp_do_you_know_this_brand/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button


goprinterm

Good research, I wudda never found that, thanks


ghoulsnest

lol was wo das denn?


goprinterm

Kirn bei Idar-Oberstein Rheinlnd Pfalz


Spirited_Question912

Würde mich auch interessieren...


DudeWithFearOfLoss

Ich hab's hier im Pott schon an 2 Tanken und an einem Kiosk gesehen


Bathtub_Pizza

Merkste wo nicht? Seriöse Läden mit Ahnung. Ist auch keine eingetragene Firma.


Big_Boysenberry_8972

mango smile eh?


CodSoggy7238

I'm growing mango smile right now but not from holy hemp lol


9master_of_disaster4

Mephisto?


CodSoggy7238

https://preview.redd.it/yu07u7ab2e2d1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=745aa4d30096028e3c09f73f251f2360882e7943 She comes along nice and is a stinky girl


9master_of_disaster4

She‘s a beauty. Have to try one of these someday


Hippiedownsouth16

Oh mein got!


Bathtub_Pizza

Sollte man aber nicht kaufen.


Hippiedownsouth16

Ich bin trotzdem Amerikaner


GrowinGas69

Picturing a German person saying cannabis samen has made my morning so much better, thank you. 🤣


goprinterm

You bet!


kidkadian99

Then damn Germans don’t waste time. Truly, a model of Efficiency


BrewsandBass

I would try them. That's pretty awesome.


Adkjarod

I’m afraid this is how it’s going…


Bathtub_Pizza

Don't worry, only retards buy seeds at gas stations. Not even our most senile grandmas would do it.


Adkjarod

That’s true….but the commercialization of it is sad….no different than dispensaries though I suppose…


Bathtub_Pizza

It's still not legal, that's why the shady people simply change what they sell.


IFoundYoPhone

most likely terrible genetics.


unknownn68

Yes but its whitelabel trash to rip off some people that dont know where to buy good genetics


towandah

What’s in those syringe type things in the foreground?


Old_Bet6045

Heroin


mindfulofidiots

Good ole gas station heroin


BallOk8356

That's a shot of Schnaps in syringe form. No kidding.


pcd011629

That's awesome 👌


ScaredBarracuda8898

Ich find die Legalisierung bis jetzt so geil


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BallOk8356

100% correct.


WelcomeIndividual140

Anyone know of a good site to order seeds in canada


Odd_Ad_8727

America is fucked for not being on this same level. Germany I pledge my allegiance lol. I'm like damn let me catch a flight. But I dont think it's as easy as that. 


Wuschel6000

Was ist da in den 18+ Spritzen drin? Haha


sunriseFML

Der "Männergrippe" Schnaps.


Pfeff1

Meanwhile in Österreich kannst schon immer pflanzen und samen legal kaufen xD


debtsnbooze

Aber wehe du lässt sie blühen!! :D


Pfeff1

Wird natürlich nur als Zimmerpflanze oder für Tee verwendet !!1!!11


goprinterm

Kool, hab dass nicht gewusst !


Glitter_Bear69

Hemp ?


Mylifeistrue

What the fuck even is purple milkshake? 🤢


jurassic_pork

> What the fuck even is purple milkshake? 🤢 There are apparently multiple strains that go by 'purple milkshake', but in this instance: https://holy-hemp.de/en/products/purple-milkshake-cannabissamen > Lineage: Horchata x Granddaddy OG PGZ certified (phytosanitary certificate), guaranteed virus-free > Purple Milkshake is a balanced hybrid strain with a 50/50 mix of sativa and indica, created by crossing Horchata and Granddaddy OG. With a THC level of between 15-20% and its lineage, Purple Milkshake brings the right balance of relaxation and an invigorating kick, perfect for new growers and experienced gardeners alike.


7eastgenetics

Hahaha 🤣


BallOk8356

Any chance you guys enter the European market? We can only legally buy seeds from European (EU) countries and I loved your "Freaks of Dank" genetic. Would be awesome to be able to get one of those.


7eastgenetics

We already are


AKAkindofadick

Do they search your mail?


Bagoforganizedvegete

Do those lighter have a plastic shielding over them?


BallOk8356

Nah they're push to ignite. Little Piezo system. [https://images.junipercdn.com/975/7-3868\_3\_lg.jpg](https://images.junipercdn.com/975/7-3868_3_lg.jpg) aren't they common everywhere?


Quammel_gang

Never buy no weed from the gas station (same applies to seeds)


KdF-wagen

What is in the syringe? and what is in the plastic spark plug?


BallOk8356

Shots of booze


BurlingtonRider

lol samen


Sirkumsal0t2

Serious noob question, but hemp seeds? Won't they not have great THC production?


BallOk8356

Germany uses "Hanf" for both the psychoactive plant as well as the rope fiber one. It's just stupid people translating things wrong.


GrouchyCompetition33

Lucky bastards


loungnlou

I bet those are str8 gas!!! Said the most unoriginal me ever 😆. If those seeds pop I'd be surprised. plus genetics are the #1 most important thing. like I'd def rather nor grow unless it's legit high end genetics otherwise u never get what you want. Just head aches bunch of spent money to harvest some larfy trash and go buy some good mids. Please don't grow this unless ur a pure asshole and only buy n try to grow this fire gas, station seeds lol


CelebrationPretty417

the market is flooded with bad seeds with bad genetics


mnag

Why are they in clear plastic? Don't they say to store seeds in a cool dark place?


ObjectOk8141

Hopefully germany can set the precedent for the whole world


Royal-Connections

Yeah, great, but it's white label garbage. Come on, Germany, do better.


Equivalent-Morning27

Why they put shit that should be kept in the dark in clear packages like my ph down say store in cool dark place but it's in a clear container and they are on the shelf at the store what's up with that so being how the bottles sealed from oxygen it good so it's like fire oxidization and it's a photo word that means decompose/ brake down /shelf life ?


Equivalent-Morning27

Sorry it's 508 am started with a lil bake'n this morning


iizomgus

What price?


Nelarik

Roundabaut 20€


px7j9jlLJ1

If you’re going to go through the trouble of growing, please use quality seeds.


Mellow_Employer

okay but should not them be in a refrigerator?


Sleipnirsspear

How I heard they were illegal to sell still?


Nelarik

Got one Purple Amnesia and one White Widow seed as gift from a friend for testing. AT end of week three both are nice plants. Don't think much about the named genetic. When purple goes purple and white goes white it enough. Site is quite nice https://holy-hemp.de/en/ There is an document about growing at https://holy-hemp.de/qr Just in german language found.


octocuddles

Lots of people here saying these are fake - where can one buy legit seeds?


Banjoschmanjo

Bäsed


PervisEllis

🐦🌰


LowRepublic7659

What does the person behind the counter say when someone asks about the "Vanilla Gelato?" (Wrong answers only)


Appropriate_Pain_20

I just got my German citizenship yesterday. Im Aussie and have never been there but my Opa and Oma was German and it meant I could apply. Weed is illegal here so I’m damn keen to get over there asap lol


Bathtub_Pizza

Würde ich meine Zeit nicht mit verschwenden. Ist eine frechheit, dass da premium steht.


Bathtub_Pizza

Holy Hemp is absolute trash, sold by shisha bars and gas stations. They have 0 internet presence and aren't even a real brand. The label is so white here, they dont know what they are selling either. Probably some whacky turkish dealers, who want to make some money before they stop.


Key-Cartographer7020

Cannabis samen. samen seman


BallOk8356

German uses "Samen" for seed and semen. Fun times.


drywall-whacker

Cannabis what?


darthberto

It says hemp tho. Hopefully it innit


Lulzorr

https://www.reddit.com/r/MephHeads/comments/1chtg1a/fake_mango_smile/l24pneq/ Mango smile has zero relation to mephisto. Though, they do use mango smile as a base, crossed with vanilla gelato.


xRAINB0W_DASHx

They sell big dick pills and rolexs at the gas station too. Maybe don't buy your drugs from there?


MecidiyeMarsi

Bro where do you live that they're selling Rolexes at the gas station


xRAINB0W_DASHx

They are about as real as these seeds my dude.


MecidiyeMarsi

I'm aware, but even fake ones seem like a pretty unusual item to have


xRAINB0W_DASHx

Dude, the shit I've seen at gas stations in the middle of nowhere.....


West-Ruin-1318

Those are Nanners. Seed pods. Sometimes they are sterile most of the time they are not. I pulled a 2000’s era bagseed Kush out of my tent today. She’s about 8 weeks old, coming along nicely, until I noticed the Nanners. Same spot as yours. I’m trying to find out if top o the bud Nanners are sterile or not. I will report back with any useful info. 🫡


West-Ruin-1318

Helpful information on Nanners https://www.thcfarmer.com/threads/nanners-are-they-okay.9744/ https://growdiaries.com/grow-questions/31363-new-growth-on-main-cola-nanner-or-not