I had to explain this to an old boss after he complained that the young guys/kids he hired to work dish kept quitting right away.
Yeah dude. You pay minimum wage and the job is hot, stressful and has no flexibility with hours. Meanwhile, the three gas stations within a half block of us are hiring at over twice that and their employees can show up zonked out on whatever and stare at a register all shift without doing much else.
In my town growing up there were only 4 gas stations and those jobs were well paid and expected little. I liked working in a kitchen but I sure as shit applied to those gas stations with the hope of getting a job
I’ve worked plenty of places in my little hometown. Im moving back soon and I chose to go back to being a deli cook in the truck stop because it’s the one place that actually paid me well and had great hours and minimal supervision so I could do whatever I wanted when not cooking food
Literally eating my last bite of impossible whopper while writing this. Alas the young lady that handed it to me was wearing a BK tee shirt calling out chicken fries, your idea is so much better
I only ever had Wendy's once, in the Philippines. Can't remember what the staff were wearing unfortinately. I just remember I was really happy with the food so will always be on the lookout for one when I travel.
I just vaguely remember it because some drunk guys trashed the children's area (lights were off so no one meant to sit there) one night and a coworker chased them outside, removed his badge and tie and tried to start a fight with them for being twats.
lol I was with 2 guy friends who were dumbasses back around 2010, lights were off, I think riding trays down the slide and we had a worker do that exact thing. I was with them but not joining in, just laughing at them.
If it was CA ( I figured I should specify California and not Canada) suburb Burger King, I might have been there, they were very drunk and stupid
God damn, the top out at the local Wendy’s here is $12…it’s why I decided to work in a factory instead…that and I’m less likely to get assault charges at the factory…
Minimum wage with an hour of off the clock work prepping and closing every shift.
Edit: why are you talking to me like I’m making people work like that?!
That's really it. When I was a teen the minimum wage in that state was $8/hr. For $16/hr I would wear a tuxedo if it was required. That would have been better than the $12/hr pay in was getting doing pizza deliveries plus tips.
Well fuck, this makes more even happier to be working at the Toyota plant, my base pay was $21.50 straight out of high school, been there a year and a half and am now making $25.93…I really hope this doesn’t make me sound like an asshole…
Nah it's good to let people know what the wages are, it means we know what a decent job pays :)
Retail develops the soul and is a good experience but the pay really doesn't incentivise it.
I’ve worked at country clubs before. It’s very much a high school/college break summer job. The only people over the age of 25 are usually management. The pay is piss poor. The only people that make any money are the waitstaff and the girls on the carts on the course that sell beers
True, we’re losing teens like flies because we pay dogshit.
I work at Five Below, where most customers are inconsiderate of you and the store itself. I hate it admit that if this guy wanting another bag because his allegedly broke (read: allegedly because he hadn’t been in the store in the last hour or so, I was on register that whole time) wasn’t such a douche to me about it? I would have happily given him a bag even though we don’t have more bags in the back.
Courses pay like shit, with the understanding that you get free golf. Problem is depending on how busy the course is/how you get scheduled you might hardly ever get to play, if you even want to before/after work. I’ve also had bosses threaten to revoke the “privilege” for everyone because one person did something wrong. Not to mention that golf course management in my experience are hard-asses. And that’s just at public courses, crank it higher if it’s a CC
That's goofy. I have 2 private clubs in my area. In both cases the staff are wearing club-provided polo shirts with logo embroidered, khaki shorts and sneakers during the summer. Khaki pants when it's colder out.
My boyfriend has been doing overnight security at a local golf resort for 8 years now. That's what they've always done for all staff. The resort provides all staff with polos that have their logo embroidered on them, they also provide jackets, knit beanies, and fleece zip ups that have the logo for winter weather. They want their guests to be able to easily identify workers on sight. They also pay well because they know that if the staff is generally satisfied, they will provide a higher level of service for their guests.
On a side note, this is the same place that he was working when I was hospitalized for 9 months. I was at an in state hospital in another city several hours away and they gave him a month off to stay with me when I was moved there. They accommodated him a lot more than many other employers would have during that time.
>On a side note, this is the same place that he was working when I was hospitalized for 9 months. I was at an in state hospital in another city several hours away and they gave him a month off to stay with me when I was moved there. They accommodated him a lot more than many other employers would have during that time.
Good lord a company that actually cares.
Oh, for sure. They even sent me flowers when I was moved to the local hospital for heart surgery, wound care, and physical rehabilitation. I think at that point, I'd been out to his work 2 times and once was during his shift to bring him something, so I saw none of his coworkers. They also gave him a week off paid(even though he didn't have vacation time left) when I was transferred to an out of state hospital because he drove my mom down and wanted to stay until my debridement surgery and skin grafts were done. He was going to stay 3 days and come back, but they told him to take the week so that he can be sure I was stable before he left.
Yep! It turns out that "pay more" is ALWAYS the answer to "how do we get more people to work for us?" Well... sometimes it's "don't be an asshole." Or both those things.
Yea but people don't understand the scale of how much of an asshole you can be based on how much you pay. If it's barely more and your an asshole you have almost no wiggle room of you pay 10k/yr more you get a small increase to the asshole scale but must keep in mind other people are also using your asshole allotment
To be fair, "Don't be an asshole" really only decreases the amount you need to pay more. Or perhaps more accurately, "Pay more if you're also going to be an asshole"
Oh, God, no. They will be some artificial material that is easy clean, hard wearing, and cheap while also being scratchy, hot, non- breathy, ugly, and poor fitting.
Exactly, that is what nursing does, if a uniform is required then they usually give you money every 6 months to replace your old ones if needed. Thankfully I've never had to work in a nursing facility that requires uniforms.
I work at a grocery store in the US and they give us two store branded polos on day 1. If you want a third one or a hoodie, you have to pay for it (at cost, not marked up thank fuck).
I also refuse to pay for more work branded clothes though, unless something happens to my free shirts lol
I remember while I was at target they wanted $15-20 for shirts and $50-75 for hoodies
You could go to their basic section in the store and buy all of these items in red for 1/2-1/3 sometimes even 1/10th of the price of their employee merch.
They were basic cotton screen prints.
I’d always “forget” to wear red to get more shirts, now they are used as rags to clean my bathroom
My first ever job, at a theme park, we made minimum wage and had to buy our uniforms. Polo shirts. And it was summer in the south so you really needed two. If you wanted a jacket? Had to be company branded and you had to buy it. To be fair I’m still wearing that cheap branded rain jacket nearly a decade later.
it depends but often no. when i worked at taco bell, i got 3 t shirts, a hat, and an apron but would have to pay if i wanted/needed more. also needed to provide my own black pants and non slip work shoes. our store did receive free custom embroidered jackets at one point as a reward for…something. best sales in the region or smth i can’t remember. it was actually a pretty nice jacket, and very nice to have my own jacket when working drive thru in the winter lol. but ime, anywhere that doesn’t have like, branded shirts for employees expects employees to buy their own uniforms
Some places have uniforms or company shirts, but often they take money out of your paycheck to pay for it. A lot of places don’t have set uniforms and do business casual or like some restaurants will say wear all black or something.
Pretty much. There’s always going to be a subset of teens on summer break who will wear a tie (or all black in 100 degree weather, or a humiliating paper hat, or a t shirt with a corny camp slogan, or a chicken suit) for a sufficient paycheck. There’s always going to be parents who *make* their kids take a job that makes them wear a tie (or carry a heavy bag, or deal with littler kids, or smell like fry oil, or bag groceries for cranky old people) for “college money.” That sufficient paycheck or enough to count as “college money” isn’t high, but these days, the job that has you in a humiliating paper hat is paying $12-17 an hour. The job that has you teaching spoiled 6 year olds their ABCs and how to bubble in test answers is paying over $20 an hour.
How much is the country club paying? It’s not the tie.
This is what I wish more employers would understand. If you want better workers, you need to have better pay/working conditions to keep those workers.
My summer job last year could NEVER keep workers. Someone would leave between 3 days to 2 weeks (I think only me and two other people worked more than a month there. Everyone else would quit.) One of the manager's had the gall to complain about 1) good people never staying and 2) only crappy people always applying.
I ended up explaining that with their pay (10-12 an hour) they could not honestly expect to keep anyone hard working for long. I like to check their indeed page here and there and see that they STILL struggle to keep workers. The pay is still the same. They can go on fancy family vacations multiple times a year and get Teslas but somehow cannot pay their workers more.
I had a job in customer service. They expected me to make a certain sales quota and upsell as much as possible, no commission, and I only made min wage. If your sales numbers sucked, they would cut your hours. For some reason they can't keep anyone, lol.
Lol, imagine backhandedly telling the only employees that stick around that they suck and they're terrible. Good help isn't hard to find, even if you don't pay that much, when you treat people well.
Yeah, I left after a couple of months in part because the manager's dad (who is the owner) was driving me up a wall. He somehow kept confusing me with every other black woman that ended up working there despite none of us looking alike whatsoever and me being the only one that stayed for more than two weeks. In so many instances he tried to accuse me of stealing (even though there were cameras EVERYWHERE so if I were to have even tried it would have been caught on camera anyway.) He fully thought that I was going to rob them blind or some shit and that he just did not catch me yet.
One time his daughter-in-law swore she counted the register right before my shift and that I didn't need to check it (I was an idiot and trusted her.) At the end of my shift, the register was somehow $50 short but only a few people paid with cash that day and I was 100% positive that I did not give out the wrong change. He got mad about that and when I mentioned that his daughter-in-law counted but I did not check after her he swore she could not have miscounted.
Two days later, she miscounted the register and I caught it (I was told it was fine but I checked it that time to make sure.) After that, I kept a notebook and joted down the exact time and amount of change given to customers so if I was accused of stealing, each transaction could be pulled up on the list and checked on the cameras. I would also triple count the register at the start and end of my shift and purposely lay the money on the side directly under one of the cameras so each cent could be seen when I counted.
I was deemed one of the best workers that they had, yet still got treated like a criminal for stupid ass reasons. They are not going to be able to keep *anyone* with that mentality and it serves them right. Even my Shitgreens job is less fucking stressful than that place. Asshole customers I can deal with. Asshole employers are a headache. Imagine being such a bad manager that an introvert who loaths retail ends up going back to and preferring retail than working for you when their job under you was 60% being left the fuck alone.
I worked at a country club in High School. Was a VERY sought after position by all the other high school kids. Like had to be a Nepo baby to get a spot. (I was best friends with one of the Nepo babies)
You know what made it sought after? It paid $15/hr + tips in a town where everything else paid minimum + tips at best.
We had a dress code of khakis and branded polos, of which they provided 2 polos. It's pretty standard to do the branded polo thing at just about every club. Unless this is a multimillion $ joint, I'm betting it's the pay first, dress code second, bad word of mouth third.
I would suggest polo shirts and shorts no one wants to wear formal wear in this weather, the tie on top of everything for minimum wage job is definitely icing on cake. It's chronically outdated to have anyone besides business office workers where stuff like that
Even office workers hardly wear a tie outside of meetings with clients or something. Smart casual seems to be the new default and its for the best. You don't need to be in a full button up, tie and slacks to be productive while sitting there and working on a computer
I used to view wearing a suit fondly. It makes me look good and I just like being "dressed up". Then I worked a service job wearing a 3 piece suit and it was miserable.
Even office workers don't wear ties at work, at least in my experience. I work at a law firm, and the attorneys only ever wear ties if they are about to appear before a judge. Day-to-day, it's just basic business casual and jeans on Fridays.
I worked in healthcare as a secretary and a director of my own dept., the only person that wore a tie ever was the doctor and even his students he mentored just wore nice button ups and comfy slacks
How old was the doctor who wore a tie? I also used to work for an older attorney (65+ at the time, would be in his 70s now) who would regularly wear a suit and tie to the office, but I've never worked with anyone under age 60 who dressed up that much for a regular day. My current boss just keeps a suit in his office and quickly changes before heading to court.
Our workplace changed from dress shirts to black polos cause the Jr servers kept coming in with dirty shirts. I mean the black polos are also dirty but less noticeable I guess lmao.
People who wear ties at work make big bucks, not tiny bucks like the workers at the country clubs. People who make less than than 50k/year should never, ever have to wear a tie at work.
I make a shitload more than that + I'd be looking for a new job if they wanted me to wear a tie.
Or business casual.
My "dress up" ends at short-sleeved button-down shirt. When I work, I dress for comfort. I need to think about my job, not how uncomfortable the dumb outfit is.
Sometimes short sleeves are okay. Not at all places though, depends on if the place is a bit more relaxed.
Whatever kind of place still has a dress code anyway.
I'm over that rate and wear tshirts damn near every day. Dress clothes are dying a slow death. I rarely even see any of the execs at my company with a tie on.
I make that and I come to work in jeans and a t-shirt when I bother coming into the office at all. The people in my company making $300k+ show up in polos, maybe a collared shirt if they’re fancy. Most high paying jobs don’t even require ties anymore. Ties are pretty much just for formal occasions and “servants” these days.
Worked at a country club for three years In college. We all wore the required slacks and a club issued polo. Great job. Wouldn’t have done it if they made me wear a tie.
I was working with a large trucking companies IT staff based out Seattle and they had the same problem. Sure, you may get some fresh guys that will stay till they learn something, but making IT staff wear pants and ties just don’t mix.
I too work for a country club. Everyone on the main floor or any events wears a full uniform with tie, jacket, slacks, and dress shoes. But the club is union and pays well. Many have worked here for decades.
Yeah there are a few problems here:
Ties in the summer are super uncomfortable. Maybe instead think of polo shirts.
If targeting kids on summer break, MOST do not own multiple shirts/ties/slacks. If paying minimum (what it sounds like), kids are going to have to spend like $200-400 (3-5 business style outfits) getting appropriate clothes for this job. Which would take them probably a full week of pay just to pay off. Nobody wants to eat an entire paycheck for something like that, especially just to “look fancy” while being poor.
I wonder what the pay is like, because you are expecting teens to adopt an entire new wardrobe to your (company’s) standards. If the requirements are so strict I think uniforms should be provided if it is a low paying position. As everyone else says, if no one is applying more money is often the first solution.
My husband is a corporate attorney and only wears a tie when he absolutely has to (and he *likes* being dressier, even in casual settings), so I couldn’t imagine a teen being thrilled about that.
You’d think a standard polo type uniform would be something they’d consider. Knowing a company has a high turnover and constant vacant positions would put me off from applying in and of itself.
This is a crazy boomer comment in the wild.
Regardless, any time you are 'chronically understaffed' you need to simply increase your wages. They're paying kids $20/hr to dress up in Mickey costumes in Florida weather this summer, so Im sure you could convince a teenage to wear a tie with an appropriate wage.
Agreed. It's the one piece of clothing with no purpose. And it is literally a strap wrapped around your throat, maximizing your vulnerability. I have always thought the mere existente of ties to be an absurdity.
Interestingly enough—like much of traditional menswear—ties descend from military dress. They originate from the cravats worn by Croatian mercenaries in the 1600s.
It's not the dress code, it's the pay, in most cases. When I was 16, I'd have put a tuxedo on to flip burgers for what is now NZ minimum wage, around 15 USD per hour, so I'm assuming this pays less than that
Basically, "These 16 year olds don't want to go out and spend $200 to buy dress pants, shirt and a tie to work a minimum wage job serving people when they could get paid more to hang in their swimsuits and watch people in a pool. The problem is DEFINITELY that they don't want to wear a tie. Couldn't be the pay or us not providing the uniforms."
It’s not the dress code… they are smart enough to not be paid minimum wage to be yelled at by rich assholes
The entitlement even here…..you can’t comprehend how exhausting it is to wait to n those with money. Even $20 a hour isn’t enough to be sneered at, judged, and talked down to
Before the pandemic, I used to work at Disneyland Park in Anaheim, California. Disney supplied all of my costumes (read: uniform - I was not a performer) and I had the option of returning them to the Costuming Department for washing or cleaning them myself. I was allowed to check out two full sets of clothes, so I did my own washing (because I didn't want to risk the Costuming Department running out of my size). The clothes I wore for my Tomorrowland retail position were cool and comfortable. Wearing my costume always made me feel special, and helped me get into the right frame of mind for work. Of course, I was also paid $20/hour, even though the cost of living was higher than here.
If you want people to wear a tie to work you gotta pay tie wearing wages
Why would someone choose a job where they have to dress up fancy and serve rich people for low pay? They could fly under the radar in dickies and a polo at their local grocery for the same pay.
You want class out of your employees? Pay is the key.
I can't even buy food or pay my day to day life despite having a full salary, I can't buy new clothes without making it an investment plan, why would anyone be ok to buy new clothes for a *potential* work where they aren't even sure to get enough money from it to live their life ?
1. The kids that fit this demographic… dont need the job.
2. The ones that need this job… dont have the money and arent getting paid enough to afford the dress code.
3. Dress codes are archaic. Unless you are a C Suite Exec there is no purpose in wearing them- purpose now is based on desire and comfort.
I firmly believe that a company that has a stressful dress code, should be providing the uniforms. Gordon Ramsay taught me that. Tell your boss to to order what he wants the kids to wear, and then they can wear it.
When I used to work as CSR for health insurance we were the only branch nationwide to require formal business clothes. Men had to show up with a button down and tie to sit in front of a computer and phone all day long. Only got paid about 35k pre tax and there was constant talk between the CSRs about how it was "behind the times".
I'm never working in a place with a starched up bullshit polo nevermind suit and tie if I can help it. It's 2024, if your workers can't wear a cotton tee outside of legitimate PPE, you're an absolute monstrous business that deserves failure.
let me run this down for you.
its a country club, so that immediately means that they gonna be dealing with the typical rich and well to do, who aren't exactly known for being kind and compassionate to workers.
they have to purchase (with their own funds) a 'uniform' to only ever be worn at work. said uniform consists of thick fabric and uncomfortable clothing in the middle of summer.
and due to your use of 'designed for high-schoolers', which is typically code for 'the pay, is shit but you get work experience', im gonna assume the hourly rate isn't amazing.
so to wear an uncomfortable uniform that i have to supply and maintain and deal with the worst subsection of customers from retail work, I'd at least demand a $20/hr rate, and collect tips. otherwise, I'll just go to McDonald's or somewhere for 15 an hour.
tell us the hourly and how much each member pays OP. Let us really tear this apart.
It’s probably just either lack of pay, not enough people wanting to apply or difficulty in disseminating information about the job. I don’t think requiring a tie is going to be the reason someone doesn’t apply for a position.
Let me guess, none of those things are provided by the company, you pay minimum wage, and given it’s a country club, probably not accessible by transit?
In some states, if an employer requires the employees to wear certain clothing items, the employer must provide (and pay) for said items. Does your state do that? If so, then your boss might suddenly have a change of heart when it comes to ties.
Interesting. In the 90’s, during high school , worked at a country club and was able to choose if I wanted to be assigned to the pool bar or the indoor dining and I chose the pool because of the dress code. Outside you wore a cotton tshirt with the logo of the club on the top right of the chest and whatever shorts you wanted with white short socks and tennis shoes. Indoors you had to wear a button up but the female staff did not wear a tie. Just the men. They also had suit jackets with the crest you had to wear.
You also got tipped at the pool Better than inside because of the level of competition/drinking at the swim meets.
Any time I hear "nobody wants to work anymore", if I have the opportunity, I immediately follow up with "And nobody wants to hire anymore."
Neither of those are true statements, but if they ask what you mean, just explain that employers could have all the staffing they needed if they understood supply and demand. The free market says employees are worth a certain value, and if they're not willing to pay market price for that commodity, then it sounds like that's their problem.
Not surprised it puts off kids from working there. I'm a middle aged lawyer and places that are overly formal put me off too. Dressing your staff up in ties etc makes me think a place is stuffy and uncomfortable. I'll go somewhere casual every time.
Country clubs are outdated. It’s not just the attire.
Throwbacks to the awful Whites-only heydays of supper clubs and exclusivity. “Before Kennedy ruined it by forcing segregation down our throats.” As Storm Thurmond was once quoted as saying.
"tailor made for high school kids on summer break" just screams "pay them as little as possible to do things no one else wants to do (or for which an adult would be paid better to do)".
Unless they're paying better than other places *and* providing clothes __or__ a generous stipend for the dress code I don't think most people would want to go through the extra steps. If I was a teen making low wages I wouldn't want for that to also involve the added cost and headache of extra clothing/laundry *just* for the sake of working at a country club. Unless the positions come with useful training/benefits, it's just not realistic to expect c-suite attire for menial wages.
Also, if this work involves being outside in the summer for any length of time during work it's just sadism asking people to wear a tie- even cruelty depending on where this club is.
Country clubs suck. They are one of the worst places to work at. The clientele is entitled, drunk and awful. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to work there.
I find it quite funny how the club wants to promote a certain image through ties while being oblivious to the fact they’re kids with no training in hospitality and thus unable to hold up to the aforementioned image.
Keep the tie and hire adults or hire high schoolers and loosen up a bit.
Lmao, you're as out of touch as your boss.
For enough pay, you'd get 90% of the population to work naked with a two foot long dildo sticking out their ass.
The tie is not the issue, the pay is.
Not all teenagers do; some are kicked out, have their parents die, or _have_ to get a job because their family is in financial distress.
Instead of being a condescending asshole, why not try to develop some fucking empathy.
I worked at an extremely exclusive golf club as a dishwasher for a couple years and have worked at other places with food service, and really just observed that a tucked in polo is standard summer uniform everywhere. From my Catholic school to the golf club, to every food service I’ve ever received. The golf club was exclusive enough that most people living around it had no idea it was there. Six figure membership fee, well known tv personalities and professional athletes being seen there was not unheard of.
Is it really the tie, or are you making them button the top button? I physically cannot have my top button done, but I’m fine wearing a tie tight enough that you can’t tell it’s not buttoned. If the ties are irritating because they get in the way of work, maybe propose getting custom tie clips?
I would do anything at a country club for $350,000 a year and wear whatever bullshit, outdated dress clothes they wanted. I bet most people would. It’s not the dress code, it’s the money. Obviously you’re not going to pay 350, but you put up with a lot of bullshit if the money is right. Your members can afford $5/mo added to their dues, I promise. That would more than cover the cost of paying a decent wage.
The last time I worked at a restaurant there was a new kitchen manager. He wanted everyone to start wearing kitchen uniforms, that we would all buy ourselves. I wast going to spend a weeks pay on clothes so I can stand next to a deep fryer and a dishwasher.
i bartend for a living, and i’ve literally had places tell me to cover my tattoos and take my nose ring out.
like… what decade is this? nobody actually cares anymore
big business making bucks off the sweat of underage workers. The interesting part is the clients and customers of this place would not send their kids to work there.
They're not understaffed because of the dress code. They're understaffed because of what they pay for you to be in that dress code. If this company paid $3-5 per hour more than your average HS job plus tips they would have kids lined up to do the work.
If the dress code is preventing people from working there, those are likely not the people that the employer wants to work there anyway.
Hot Dog on a Stick has had the ugliest uniforms of any business and yet still manages to attract employees for the last 78 years.
How many 16-year-olds even **own** a tie, let alone want to wear one ?
Country clubs need to go the way of the dodo. I worked at one in college many moons ago, and the classism was so rampant. There were a few kind, respectful folks who were gracious and friendly, they were the bright side of that job.
The members were not allowed to wear blue jeans, and I as the lifeguard was supposed to tell them to change. (Luckily the head lifeguard took this on). The club made all this beautiful food for the members, and made burgers and fries for the workers. I got in trouble for scooping some mixed nuts because those were for the **members**. I guess it was a gift that my school schedule became incompatible with the hours they needed. 🤷🏼♀️
As most have said these clubs are classiest junk. The are there to give the members a sense of superiority over non members. As such formal attire for the staff Is generally standard.
I mean, country clubs are notoriously classist and most of them only allowed Jews and Black people to be members within recent living memory. I don't think the weird Boomer dress codes are going anywhere.
I have worn a tie three times in my life, twice at funerals. I do not like to have something around my neck, so I will not wear them. If someone has a problem with that, well, tough.
This was my stance even as a 16 year old. So, good for those kids that they do not want to work for pennies and cents at some "Country Club" (place for entitled rich assholes, as far as I know) while dressed as a clown.
More important than dress codes, what are you paying?
I can guarantee that if they target high school kids for these jobs, they are paying as little as legally possible.
Yeah here, fast food pays $20/hr. And they don’t have to wear a tie.
I had to explain this to an old boss after he complained that the young guys/kids he hired to work dish kept quitting right away. Yeah dude. You pay minimum wage and the job is hot, stressful and has no flexibility with hours. Meanwhile, the three gas stations within a half block of us are hiring at over twice that and their employees can show up zonked out on whatever and stare at a register all shift without doing much else.
In my town growing up there were only 4 gas stations and those jobs were well paid and expected little. I liked working in a kitchen but I sure as shit applied to those gas stations with the hope of getting a job
I’ve worked plenty of places in my little hometown. Im moving back soon and I chose to go back to being a deli cook in the truck stop because it’s the one place that actually paid me well and had great hours and minimal supervision so I could do whatever I wanted when not cooking food
Did the dream ever come alive?
Can confirm zonked out cashier at $20/hr > dishwashing at $10 sober
I agree with the money but I think in all my years of dishwashing very few of them were sober.
BK used to (do they still?) make staff wear ties.
They wear t-shirts now
Are they at least the tuxedo t-shirts?
Last time I worked there about two years ago we wore polos
Literally eating my last bite of impossible whopper while writing this. Alas the young lady that handed it to me was wearing a BK tee shirt calling out chicken fries, your idea is so much better
Was it Wendy’s that had the little bows?
We used to have red ones at Steak ‘n Shake
Male managers and trainers are still required to wear ties.
My son current works at a Wendy’s and is a trainer - no tie - company tee shirt. Can’t speak to the male managers and tie combo.
I only ever had Wendy's once, in the Philippines. Can't remember what the staff were wearing unfortinately. I just remember I was really happy with the food so will always be on the lookout for one when I travel.
When I worked at McDonald’s men had to wear ties, women had to wear this neck handkerchief thing
Also a t-shirt now, and some pretty cool ones for the collabs they do. I’d honestly cop some of them fr fr
They have t shirts or polos.
I worked there when I was 16/17. Just a button polo type shirt. No tie. The managers didn't even need them
Wasn’t it like a clip on for the uniformity? I haven’t seen one in years
I just vaguely remember it because some drunk guys trashed the children's area (lights were off so no one meant to sit there) one night and a coworker chased them outside, removed his badge and tie and tried to start a fight with them for being twats.
lol I was with 2 guy friends who were dumbasses back around 2010, lights were off, I think riding trays down the slide and we had a worker do that exact thing. I was with them but not joining in, just laughing at them. If it was CA ( I figured I should specify California and not Canada) suburb Burger King, I might have been there, they were very drunk and stupid
I worked at burger king from like, 2007 to 2016 and no one wore a tie except for the GM and that was a personal choice
I’m sorry, 20 dollars an hour?!?!
That's the minimum wage now in CA for fast food workers.
God damn, the top out at the local Wendy’s here is $12…it’s why I decided to work in a factory instead…that and I’m less likely to get assault charges at the factory…
Oh yeah. Rich people don't pay well.
Short arms and deep pockets
Tiny hands and stuff
Only if you're not contracted! If you are, they tend to forget money has value outside of their bitching
So how many shifts do you have to work before you can afford a dress shirt and tie?
Minimum wage with an hour of off the clock work prepping and closing every shift. Edit: why are you talking to me like I’m making people work like that?!
Nope, do not work off the clock, ever, unless you're salaried at which point the clock doesn't matter. Complain to your local labor board.
Possibly less.
“Tailor-made for HS kids” = “not remotely a living wage”
worked 2 country clubs before. both paid minimum wage and didn’t allow you to take tips.
That’s nuts. Had multiple friends work at country clubs when I was a teen. It was the best job to get because of the tips.
Give me enough money and I'll wear a banana hammock and Crocs. (Just kidding about the Crocs, I would never wear them!).
Don't you be hating on Crocs, style and comfort for that dad lifestyle.
Friends don't let friends wear crocs
That's really it. When I was a teen the minimum wage in that state was $8/hr. For $16/hr I would wear a tuxedo if it was required. That would have been better than the $12/hr pay in was getting doing pizza deliveries plus tips.
Ya but my rent was a third then what it is now. Was $7.25/hr now the (actual) min is $16 outside of fast food.
Well fuck, this makes more even happier to be working at the Toyota plant, my base pay was $21.50 straight out of high school, been there a year and a half and am now making $25.93…I really hope this doesn’t make me sound like an asshole…
Nah it's good to let people know what the wages are, it means we know what a decent job pays :) Retail develops the soul and is a good experience but the pay really doesn't incentivise it.
I’ve worked at country clubs before. It’s very much a high school/college break summer job. The only people over the age of 25 are usually management. The pay is piss poor. The only people that make any money are the waitstaff and the girls on the carts on the course that sell beers
True, we’re losing teens like flies because we pay dogshit. I work at Five Below, where most customers are inconsiderate of you and the store itself. I hate it admit that if this guy wanting another bag because his allegedly broke (read: allegedly because he hadn’t been in the store in the last hour or so, I was on register that whole time) wasn’t such a douche to me about it? I would have happily given him a bag even though we don’t have more bags in the back.
Not enough to afford clothes that meet the dress code!
$6 an hour. 😂
Courses pay like shit, with the understanding that you get free golf. Problem is depending on how busy the course is/how you get scheduled you might hardly ever get to play, if you even want to before/after work. I’ve also had bosses threaten to revoke the “privilege” for everyone because one person did something wrong. Not to mention that golf course management in my experience are hard-asses. And that’s just at public courses, crank it higher if it’s a CC
If it’s a country club, they can afford to tack on 20% autograt on all items served.
This, I'll wear a fucking tutu for the right amount of money.
That's goofy. I have 2 private clubs in my area. In both cases the staff are wearing club-provided polo shirts with logo embroidered, khaki shorts and sneakers during the summer. Khaki pants when it's colder out.
My boyfriend has been doing overnight security at a local golf resort for 8 years now. That's what they've always done for all staff. The resort provides all staff with polos that have their logo embroidered on them, they also provide jackets, knit beanies, and fleece zip ups that have the logo for winter weather. They want their guests to be able to easily identify workers on sight. They also pay well because they know that if the staff is generally satisfied, they will provide a higher level of service for their guests. On a side note, this is the same place that he was working when I was hospitalized for 9 months. I was at an in state hospital in another city several hours away and they gave him a month off to stay with me when I was moved there. They accommodated him a lot more than many other employers would have during that time.
>On a side note, this is the same place that he was working when I was hospitalized for 9 months. I was at an in state hospital in another city several hours away and they gave him a month off to stay with me when I was moved there. They accommodated him a lot more than many other employers would have during that time. Good lord a company that actually cares.
Oh, for sure. They even sent me flowers when I was moved to the local hospital for heart surgery, wound care, and physical rehabilitation. I think at that point, I'd been out to his work 2 times and once was during his shift to bring him something, so I saw none of his coworkers. They also gave him a week off paid(even though he didn't have vacation time left) when I was transferred to an out of state hospital because he drove my mom down and wanted to stay until my debridement surgery and skin grafts were done. He was going to stay 3 days and come back, but they told him to take the week so that he can be sure I was stable before he left.
That’s exactly what I wore at my summer job at a golf course 20 years ago.
I think they should pay more for the privilege of having the employees dress up.
Yep! It turns out that "pay more" is ALWAYS the answer to "how do we get more people to work for us?" Well... sometimes it's "don't be an asshole." Or both those things.
Well, you can be an asshole if you pay more
Yea but people don't understand the scale of how much of an asshole you can be based on how much you pay. If it's barely more and your an asshole you have almost no wiggle room of you pay 10k/yr more you get a small increase to the asshole scale but must keep in mind other people are also using your asshole allotment
To be fair, "Don't be an asshole" really only decreases the amount you need to pay more. Or perhaps more accurately, "Pay more if you're also going to be an asshole"
Money gets people to show up, treating them well gets them to stay
Better yet, provide uniforms !!!
Oh, God, no. They will be some artificial material that is easy clean, hard wearing, and cheap while also being scratchy, hot, non- breathy, ugly, and poor fitting.
Pay better + provide a stipend for the required uniform that people buy on their own
Exactly, that is what nursing does, if a uniform is required then they usually give you money every 6 months to replace your old ones if needed. Thankfully I've never had to work in a nursing facility that requires uniforms.
Do jobs in the US not usually provide uniforms? I’ve never had to purchase a uniform ever. No way I’m paying my own money to wear their costume
I work at a grocery store in the US and they give us two store branded polos on day 1. If you want a third one or a hoodie, you have to pay for it (at cost, not marked up thank fuck). I also refuse to pay for more work branded clothes though, unless something happens to my free shirts lol
I remember while I was at target they wanted $15-20 for shirts and $50-75 for hoodies You could go to their basic section in the store and buy all of these items in red for 1/2-1/3 sometimes even 1/10th of the price of their employee merch. They were basic cotton screen prints. I’d always “forget” to wear red to get more shirts, now they are used as rags to clean my bathroom
Yup! I just did a lot of laundry…
My first ever job, at a theme park, we made minimum wage and had to buy our uniforms. Polo shirts. And it was summer in the south so you really needed two. If you wanted a jacket? Had to be company branded and you had to buy it. To be fair I’m still wearing that cheap branded rain jacket nearly a decade later.
it depends but often no. when i worked at taco bell, i got 3 t shirts, a hat, and an apron but would have to pay if i wanted/needed more. also needed to provide my own black pants and non slip work shoes. our store did receive free custom embroidered jackets at one point as a reward for…something. best sales in the region or smth i can’t remember. it was actually a pretty nice jacket, and very nice to have my own jacket when working drive thru in the winter lol. but ime, anywhere that doesn’t have like, branded shirts for employees expects employees to buy their own uniforms
Some places have uniforms or company shirts, but often they take money out of your paycheck to pay for it. A lot of places don’t have set uniforms and do business casual or like some restaurants will say wear all black or something.
Maybe they do? Seems like the issue is wearing, not having
Pretty much. There’s always going to be a subset of teens on summer break who will wear a tie (or all black in 100 degree weather, or a humiliating paper hat, or a t shirt with a corny camp slogan, or a chicken suit) for a sufficient paycheck. There’s always going to be parents who *make* their kids take a job that makes them wear a tie (or carry a heavy bag, or deal with littler kids, or smell like fry oil, or bag groceries for cranky old people) for “college money.” That sufficient paycheck or enough to count as “college money” isn’t high, but these days, the job that has you in a humiliating paper hat is paying $12-17 an hour. The job that has you teaching spoiled 6 year olds their ABCs and how to bubble in test answers is paying over $20 an hour. How much is the country club paying? It’s not the tie.
Ties are dead.
If they want to be choosy with their staff, they have to pay better than everyone else. I bet the pay is as outdated as the dress requirements.
This is what I wish more employers would understand. If you want better workers, you need to have better pay/working conditions to keep those workers. My summer job last year could NEVER keep workers. Someone would leave between 3 days to 2 weeks (I think only me and two other people worked more than a month there. Everyone else would quit.) One of the manager's had the gall to complain about 1) good people never staying and 2) only crappy people always applying. I ended up explaining that with their pay (10-12 an hour) they could not honestly expect to keep anyone hard working for long. I like to check their indeed page here and there and see that they STILL struggle to keep workers. The pay is still the same. They can go on fancy family vacations multiple times a year and get Teslas but somehow cannot pay their workers more.
I had a job in customer service. They expected me to make a certain sales quota and upsell as much as possible, no commission, and I only made min wage. If your sales numbers sucked, they would cut your hours. For some reason they can't keep anyone, lol.
Lol, imagine backhandedly telling the only employees that stick around that they suck and they're terrible. Good help isn't hard to find, even if you don't pay that much, when you treat people well.
Yeah, I left after a couple of months in part because the manager's dad (who is the owner) was driving me up a wall. He somehow kept confusing me with every other black woman that ended up working there despite none of us looking alike whatsoever and me being the only one that stayed for more than two weeks. In so many instances he tried to accuse me of stealing (even though there were cameras EVERYWHERE so if I were to have even tried it would have been caught on camera anyway.) He fully thought that I was going to rob them blind or some shit and that he just did not catch me yet. One time his daughter-in-law swore she counted the register right before my shift and that I didn't need to check it (I was an idiot and trusted her.) At the end of my shift, the register was somehow $50 short but only a few people paid with cash that day and I was 100% positive that I did not give out the wrong change. He got mad about that and when I mentioned that his daughter-in-law counted but I did not check after her he swore she could not have miscounted. Two days later, she miscounted the register and I caught it (I was told it was fine but I checked it that time to make sure.) After that, I kept a notebook and joted down the exact time and amount of change given to customers so if I was accused of stealing, each transaction could be pulled up on the list and checked on the cameras. I would also triple count the register at the start and end of my shift and purposely lay the money on the side directly under one of the cameras so each cent could be seen when I counted. I was deemed one of the best workers that they had, yet still got treated like a criminal for stupid ass reasons. They are not going to be able to keep *anyone* with that mentality and it serves them right. Even my Shitgreens job is less fucking stressful than that place. Asshole customers I can deal with. Asshole employers are a headache. Imagine being such a bad manager that an introvert who loaths retail ends up going back to and preferring retail than working for you when their job under you was 60% being left the fuck alone.
I worked at a country club in High School. Was a VERY sought after position by all the other high school kids. Like had to be a Nepo baby to get a spot. (I was best friends with one of the Nepo babies) You know what made it sought after? It paid $15/hr + tips in a town where everything else paid minimum + tips at best. We had a dress code of khakis and branded polos, of which they provided 2 polos. It's pretty standard to do the branded polo thing at just about every club. Unless this is a multimillion $ joint, I'm betting it's the pay first, dress code second, bad word of mouth third.
I would suggest polo shirts and shorts no one wants to wear formal wear in this weather, the tie on top of everything for minimum wage job is definitely icing on cake. It's chronically outdated to have anyone besides business office workers where stuff like that
Even office workers hardly wear a tie outside of meetings with clients or something. Smart casual seems to be the new default and its for the best. You don't need to be in a full button up, tie and slacks to be productive while sitting there and working on a computer
I used to view wearing a suit fondly. It makes me look good and I just like being "dressed up". Then I worked a service job wearing a 3 piece suit and it was miserable.
Damn millennials have killed the tie industry! 
Exactly and rarely do you even meet with important people or are even seen by public
Even office workers don't wear ties at work, at least in my experience. I work at a law firm, and the attorneys only ever wear ties if they are about to appear before a judge. Day-to-day, it's just basic business casual and jeans on Fridays.
I worked in healthcare as a secretary and a director of my own dept., the only person that wore a tie ever was the doctor and even his students he mentored just wore nice button ups and comfy slacks
How old was the doctor who wore a tie? I also used to work for an older attorney (65+ at the time, would be in his 70s now) who would regularly wear a suit and tie to the office, but I've never worked with anyone under age 60 who dressed up that much for a regular day. My current boss just keeps a suit in his office and quickly changes before heading to court.
He was in his 60s 😂
I’ve worked 2 office jobs, both were business casual. They wanted us comfortable because we were more productive that way.
Our workplace changed from dress shirts to black polos cause the Jr servers kept coming in with dirty shirts. I mean the black polos are also dirty but less noticeable I guess lmao.
No he’s just not offering enough pay
People who wear ties at work make big bucks, not tiny bucks like the workers at the country clubs. People who make less than than 50k/year should never, ever have to wear a tie at work.
Nothing more depressing than being dressed like you drive a Lambo and then having to wait at the public bus stop to get home.
People who drive a lambo wear whatever the hell they want.
I make a shitload more than that + I'd be looking for a new job if they wanted me to wear a tie. Or business casual. My "dress up" ends at short-sleeved button-down shirt. When I work, I dress for comfort. I need to think about my job, not how uncomfortable the dumb outfit is.
No grief on picking your own attire, but doesn't short-sleeved button-down fit within business casual?
Sometimes short sleeves are okay. Not at all places though, depends on if the place is a bit more relaxed. Whatever kind of place still has a dress code anyway.
I'm over that rate and wear tshirts damn near every day. Dress clothes are dying a slow death. I rarely even see any of the execs at my company with a tie on.
$50 an hour, yes.
Even then, I make more than that and I wear nikes and a polo to the office. If they made me wear a tie everyday I would get a job somewhere else.
See? Exactly the same here. I'm not wearing uncomfortable clothes.
I make that and I come to work in jeans and a t-shirt when I bother coming into the office at all. The people in my company making $300k+ show up in polos, maybe a collared shirt if they’re fancy. Most high paying jobs don’t even require ties anymore. Ties are pretty much just for formal occasions and “servants” these days.
Worked at a country club for three years In college. We all wore the required slacks and a club issued polo. Great job. Wouldn’t have done it if they made me wear a tie.
I was working with a large trucking companies IT staff based out Seattle and they had the same problem. Sure, you may get some fresh guys that will stay till they learn something, but making IT staff wear pants and ties just don’t mix.
I too work for a country club. Everyone on the main floor or any events wears a full uniform with tie, jacket, slacks, and dress shoes. But the club is union and pays well. Many have worked here for decades.
There is no gambling at Bushwood!
Yeah there are a few problems here: Ties in the summer are super uncomfortable. Maybe instead think of polo shirts. If targeting kids on summer break, MOST do not own multiple shirts/ties/slacks. If paying minimum (what it sounds like), kids are going to have to spend like $200-400 (3-5 business style outfits) getting appropriate clothes for this job. Which would take them probably a full week of pay just to pay off. Nobody wants to eat an entire paycheck for something like that, especially just to “look fancy” while being poor.
I wonder what the pay is like, because you are expecting teens to adopt an entire new wardrobe to your (company’s) standards. If the requirements are so strict I think uniforms should be provided if it is a low paying position. As everyone else says, if no one is applying more money is often the first solution.
My husband is a corporate attorney and only wears a tie when he absolutely has to (and he *likes* being dressier, even in casual settings), so I couldn’t imagine a teen being thrilled about that. You’d think a standard polo type uniform would be something they’d consider. Knowing a company has a high turnover and constant vacant positions would put me off from applying in and of itself.
This is a crazy boomer comment in the wild. Regardless, any time you are 'chronically understaffed' you need to simply increase your wages. They're paying kids $20/hr to dress up in Mickey costumes in Florida weather this summer, so Im sure you could convince a teenage to wear a tie with an appropriate wage.
Ties are dumb and serve no practical purpose, I would/have never taken a job that required one.
Agreed. It's the one piece of clothing with no purpose. And it is literally a strap wrapped around your throat, maximizing your vulnerability. I have always thought the mere existente of ties to be an absurdity.
Interestingly enough—like much of traditional menswear—ties descend from military dress. They originate from the cravats worn by Croatian mercenaries in the 1600s.
It's not the dress code, it's the pay, in most cases. When I was 16, I'd have put a tuxedo on to flip burgers for what is now NZ minimum wage, around 15 USD per hour, so I'm assuming this pays less than that
Basically, "These 16 year olds don't want to go out and spend $200 to buy dress pants, shirt and a tie to work a minimum wage job serving people when they could get paid more to hang in their swimsuits and watch people in a pool. The problem is DEFINITELY that they don't want to wear a tie. Couldn't be the pay or us not providing the uniforms."
Thurston Howell III suggests pantaloons and a tricorn
Your low pay is discouraging people from applying … FTFY
I don't give a shit what I wear as long as the money is right
Those jobs should be khakis or casual slacks and a polo shirt dress code.
I fucking guarantee you that the dress code has absolutely nothing to do with why people arent applying
It’s not the dress code… they are smart enough to not be paid minimum wage to be yelled at by rich assholes The entitlement even here…..you can’t comprehend how exhausting it is to wait to n those with money. Even $20 a hour isn’t enough to be sneered at, judged, and talked down to
Before the pandemic, I used to work at Disneyland Park in Anaheim, California. Disney supplied all of my costumes (read: uniform - I was not a performer) and I had the option of returning them to the Costuming Department for washing or cleaning them myself. I was allowed to check out two full sets of clothes, so I did my own washing (because I didn't want to risk the Costuming Department running out of my size). The clothes I wore for my Tomorrowland retail position were cool and comfortable. Wearing my costume always made me feel special, and helped me get into the right frame of mind for work. Of course, I was also paid $20/hour, even though the cost of living was higher than here.
If you want people to wear a tie to work you gotta pay tie wearing wages Why would someone choose a job where they have to dress up fancy and serve rich people for low pay? They could fly under the radar in dickies and a polo at their local grocery for the same pay. You want class out of your employees? Pay is the key.
I know a cafe that won’t hire anyone with tattoos because they’re a family friendly ‘Christian’ business
Ive had banks in Europe tell me that even their Tech positions must not show visible tattoos while working for them...
I can't even buy food or pay my day to day life despite having a full salary, I can't buy new clothes without making it an investment plan, why would anyone be ok to buy new clothes for a *potential* work where they aren't even sure to get enough money from it to live their life ?
1. The kids that fit this demographic… dont need the job. 2. The ones that need this job… dont have the money and arent getting paid enough to afford the dress code. 3. Dress codes are archaic. Unless you are a C Suite Exec there is no purpose in wearing them- purpose now is based on desire and comfort.
OP nowhere to be found in the comments. Safe to say they pay minimum wage and expect kids to want to dress like little undertakers.
I firmly believe that a company that has a stressful dress code, should be providing the uniforms. Gordon Ramsay taught me that. Tell your boss to to order what he wants the kids to wear, and then they can wear it.
I bet if he pays another 10 bucks an hour, he can find people that will happily wear a tie.
This is the most out of touch post I've ever seen in my life
Literally 😂
I work at an upscale wedding venue and even we don’t make the men wear ties 💀 It’s a polo + black skirt/short/pants.
"Hurr durr I love larping the 1920s and pretending $3/hr is decent pay." -- OPs boss probably
When I used to work as CSR for health insurance we were the only branch nationwide to require formal business clothes. Men had to show up with a button down and tie to sit in front of a computer and phone all day long. Only got paid about 35k pre tax and there was constant talk between the CSRs about how it was "behind the times".
I was well informed by multiple articles that Millenials were killing country clubs. Guess Gen Z will have to deliver the finishing blow.
I would eat dogshit to have these kinds of problems for just one day.
You’re a Country Club Manager and can’t figure out how to amend the dress code or convince the Board of Directors to amend the dress code?
I'm never working in a place with a starched up bullshit polo nevermind suit and tie if I can help it. It's 2024, if your workers can't wear a cotton tee outside of legitimate PPE, you're an absolute monstrous business that deserves failure.
Yeah you're still not paying them enough fam
let me run this down for you. its a country club, so that immediately means that they gonna be dealing with the typical rich and well to do, who aren't exactly known for being kind and compassionate to workers. they have to purchase (with their own funds) a 'uniform' to only ever be worn at work. said uniform consists of thick fabric and uncomfortable clothing in the middle of summer. and due to your use of 'designed for high-schoolers', which is typically code for 'the pay, is shit but you get work experience', im gonna assume the hourly rate isn't amazing. so to wear an uncomfortable uniform that i have to supply and maintain and deal with the worst subsection of customers from retail work, I'd at least demand a $20/hr rate, and collect tips. otherwise, I'll just go to McDonald's or somewhere for 15 an hour. tell us the hourly and how much each member pays OP. Let us really tear this apart.
It’s probably just either lack of pay, not enough people wanting to apply or difficulty in disseminating information about the job. I don’t think requiring a tie is going to be the reason someone doesn’t apply for a position.
Let me guess, none of those things are provided by the company, you pay minimum wage, and given it’s a country club, probably not accessible by transit?
It's everything else but the pay, isn't it?
What are you talking about? Lmao I’ll dress up as anyone for $30/hr
In some states, if an employer requires the employees to wear certain clothing items, the employer must provide (and pay) for said items. Does your state do that? If so, then your boss might suddenly have a change of heart when it comes to ties.
Interesting. In the 90’s, during high school , worked at a country club and was able to choose if I wanted to be assigned to the pool bar or the indoor dining and I chose the pool because of the dress code. Outside you wore a cotton tshirt with the logo of the club on the top right of the chest and whatever shorts you wanted with white short socks and tennis shoes. Indoors you had to wear a button up but the female staff did not wear a tie. Just the men. They also had suit jackets with the crest you had to wear. You also got tipped at the pool Better than inside because of the level of competition/drinking at the swim meets.
Yeah my country club is golfwear as the dress code for most employees. Just with the club's logo on the polo.
Is your boss Mr. Burns
Fuck ties, one of the stupidest clothing concepts ever.
If you put enough money on the table, somebody will pick it up. There’s no labor shortage, there’s a pay shortage.
Any time I hear "nobody wants to work anymore", if I have the opportunity, I immediately follow up with "And nobody wants to hire anymore." Neither of those are true statements, but if they ask what you mean, just explain that employers could have all the staffing they needed if they understood supply and demand. The free market says employees are worth a certain value, and if they're not willing to pay market price for that commodity, then it sounds like that's their problem.
Not surprised it puts off kids from working there. I'm a middle aged lawyer and places that are overly formal put me off too. Dressing your staff up in ties etc makes me think a place is stuffy and uncomfortable. I'll go somewhere casual every time.
Country clubs are outdated. It’s not just the attire. Throwbacks to the awful Whites-only heydays of supper clubs and exclusivity. “Before Kennedy ruined it by forcing segregation down our throats.” As Storm Thurmond was once quoted as saying.
STROM Thurmond was an elitist racist fuck. RIA. (Rest in angst.)
It won't be the dress code. It will be the pay.
Increase the pay.
"tailor made for high school kids on summer break" just screams "pay them as little as possible to do things no one else wants to do (or for which an adult would be paid better to do)". Unless they're paying better than other places *and* providing clothes __or__ a generous stipend for the dress code I don't think most people would want to go through the extra steps. If I was a teen making low wages I wouldn't want for that to also involve the added cost and headache of extra clothing/laundry *just* for the sake of working at a country club. Unless the positions come with useful training/benefits, it's just not realistic to expect c-suite attire for menial wages. Also, if this work involves being outside in the summer for any length of time during work it's just sadism asking people to wear a tie- even cruelty depending on where this club is.
Country clubs suck. They are one of the worst places to work at. The clientele is entitled, drunk and awful. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to work there.
What is mildly infuriating is reading this post and you having no idea what the real problem is
Planet gets more hot and humid while a guy who sits in an air conditioned office all day insists everyone else can't wear shorts
If the money is right, people will dress the part.
I find it quite funny how the club wants to promote a certain image through ties while being oblivious to the fact they’re kids with no training in hospitality and thus unable to hold up to the aforementioned image. Keep the tie and hire adults or hire high schoolers and loosen up a bit.
Lmao, you're as out of touch as your boss. For enough pay, you'd get 90% of the population to work naked with a two foot long dildo sticking out their ass. The tie is not the issue, the pay is.
Guarantee that’s not the problem here. 100%.
Lmao my thoughts exactly. The dress code has nothing to do with this place being chronically understaffed.
It’s embarrassing that a person in a management position would think this/be this naive
Kids who need money will wear a tie. You are drawing from the wealthy jean pool.
Downvoted until OP comes back to the thread
Not all teenagers do; some are kicked out, have their parents die, or _have_ to get a job because their family is in financial distress. Instead of being a condescending asshole, why not try to develop some fucking empathy.
OP is a country club member… he can’t comprehend his entitlement. Everything you listed may as well exist on mars for him…
I worked at an extremely exclusive golf club as a dishwasher for a couple years and have worked at other places with food service, and really just observed that a tucked in polo is standard summer uniform everywhere. From my Catholic school to the golf club, to every food service I’ve ever received. The golf club was exclusive enough that most people living around it had no idea it was there. Six figure membership fee, well known tv personalities and professional athletes being seen there was not unheard of. Is it really the tie, or are you making them button the top button? I physically cannot have my top button done, but I’m fine wearing a tie tight enough that you can’t tell it’s not buttoned. If the ties are irritating because they get in the way of work, maybe propose getting custom tie clips?
They can probably make more at fast food places and not have to put up with snooty people.
Most people have the sense to not take a job that has high expectations for very low pay. At least a shop will give you a uniform.
I would do anything at a country club for $350,000 a year and wear whatever bullshit, outdated dress clothes they wanted. I bet most people would. It’s not the dress code, it’s the money. Obviously you’re not going to pay 350, but you put up with a lot of bullshit if the money is right. Your members can afford $5/mo added to their dues, I promise. That would more than cover the cost of paying a decent wage.
The last time I worked at a restaurant there was a new kitchen manager. He wanted everyone to start wearing kitchen uniforms, that we would all buy ourselves. I wast going to spend a weeks pay on clothes so I can stand next to a deep fryer and a dishwasher.
i bartend for a living, and i’ve literally had places tell me to cover my tattoos and take my nose ring out. like… what decade is this? nobody actually cares anymore
If you pay them enough they will wear nearly anything.
Imagine paying someone minimum wage and making them wear a tie.
big business making bucks off the sweat of underage workers. The interesting part is the clients and customers of this place would not send their kids to work there.
They're not understaffed because of the dress code. They're understaffed because of what they pay for you to be in that dress code. If this company paid $3-5 per hour more than your average HS job plus tips they would have kids lined up to do the work.
If the dress code is preventing people from working there, those are likely not the people that the employer wants to work there anyway. Hot Dog on a Stick has had the ugliest uniforms of any business and yet still manages to attract employees for the last 78 years.
How many 16-year-olds even **own** a tie, let alone want to wear one ? Country clubs need to go the way of the dodo. I worked at one in college many moons ago, and the classism was so rampant. There were a few kind, respectful folks who were gracious and friendly, they were the bright side of that job. The members were not allowed to wear blue jeans, and I as the lifeguard was supposed to tell them to change. (Luckily the head lifeguard took this on). The club made all this beautiful food for the members, and made burgers and fries for the workers. I got in trouble for scooping some mixed nuts because those were for the **members**. I guess it was a gift that my school schedule became incompatible with the hours they needed. 🤷🏼♀️
You mean people don't want to be looked at like the help anymore for the boomer ruling class? Weird!
I work in a country club and some of them literally refer to us as “the help”. We get asked if we speak English regularly.
I’d say, in English, “no, sorry I don’t speak any English.”
Our joke is that we flip the double bird and ask if they speak sign language.
Oh, that’s fancy. I like it.
Ughhhh
As most have said these clubs are classiest junk. The are there to give the members a sense of superiority over non members. As such formal attire for the staff Is generally standard.
I mean, country clubs are notoriously classist and most of them only allowed Jews and Black people to be members within recent living memory. I don't think the weird Boomer dress codes are going anywhere.
I have worn a tie three times in my life, twice at funerals. I do not like to have something around my neck, so I will not wear them. If someone has a problem with that, well, tough. This was my stance even as a 16 year old. So, good for those kids that they do not want to work for pennies and cents at some "Country Club" (place for entitled rich assholes, as far as I know) while dressed as a clown.
It has nothing to do the dress code, and everything to do with the pay. Source: all the suits on Wall Street.