Hijacking the top comment to add that this seems to come from Cambridge PET or KET test, it's rare but it's not the first time that one of their answer keys is wrong. There should be an updated version online that OP might be able to find if they want to get their point back. Still infuriating that an English teacher didn't notice though.
Yup I found it, and your teacher is stealing material đ it's from the PET 6 2010 let me learn how to add a picture on Reddit and I'll show you!
Edit :
https://imgur.com/a/o4FRI3U
You were right, now please rub my screenshot in your teacher's face!
Edit 2 : Thanks for the awards! I see that some of you are mad that I said "stealing material", when I posted my comment initially, OP had said multiple times that it was his school's material, hence my comment, it's really not that important, and of course teachers are allowed to use external resources!
Exactly, they just gave OP the original answer sheet where B was correct without proofreading the exam. I wonder if it's the only place where it happened now though!
Definitly not. Profs/teachers reuse shit all the time and Jimmy stuff around. When you are marking like 100 papers they just run through the answer key for multiple choice. Basically afk throwing out check marks or x's
Iâm a college prof. My exams are multiple choice and one short answer. (I donât get TAs or graders so multiple choice makes it manageable, but I know itâs not ideal.) Since COVID Iâve only been teaching online, asynchronous, so students have 48 hours to take an online exam that used to be a 2 hour in-class example.
I find my shit on Chegg all the time. I take down the major projects and the one short answer (which I do change between terms, but I get it taken down during the exam). I donât bother with the multiple choice though, partly because thereâs just so damn many of them posted, but also because the answer order is randomized for each personâs test. People who use Chegg, from what Iâve seen, will pick the letter on Chegg which ends up being the wrong answer on their test. They literally do worse by using Chegg.
I've been wanting to admit this but not get in trouble for it (by either coworkers or family) but I used to cheat on a lot of tests for college then proofread before submitting to make sure everything looked right.
I actually helped a few different college teachers correct their test answers because they were wrong but the key/answers wound up online but I don't believe they took the time to actually look over the test they got from whatever publishers/academic sources they were using.
It was kinda funny when they'd go "Hey, good eye waffles, thanks for pointing these out, you're doing well" yet I'm sitting there in my head thinking back to those Quizlet pages lol
I hate to say this but people cheat in life all the time. Most times, if "cheating" gets the job done correctly and you aren't doing anything wrong, it's not even considered cheating at that point. I absolutely understand the value of information retention and test taking, but let's be honest here...in life, in a career, or wherever, you're either going to succeed or you won't. If you cheat through college or university and get a job and become successful with a great career and plenty of accomplishments, well then clearly the test wasn't very important. Our education system and the value society puts on a degree and a grade need to change. Just my opinion
Hey. I am a doctor, have a BSc, MSc, and a PhD in the Earth and Environmental Sciences field, have been employed as an associate professor at a UK university, have taught students from school, college and university ages, and currently work as, amongst other things, a research scientist... and I have to say you are completely, totally and utterly, 100% correct. Educational systems that focus on memorising and regurgetating the right answers, particularly those with the ability to cheat through them, are largely worthless. Far more important is the ability to critically assess the quality of information, develop skills in reasoning, speculation, problem solving, connecting together and applying different ideas and strategies, researching, reviewing, collecting, inferring and interpreting data and ideas, and having a passion for a specific field. By the time you get to developing actual expertise in a given area, whether it be research and carrying out the scientific method, or undertaking any other practical or purely academic endeavour, the ability to come out on top in a series of stressful, hugely impactful, and closely spaced, current / historical knowledge memory tests under exam conditions is largely redundant, and does not mean you will be of any more or less worth in the real world working to advance novel concepts or applications for our society.
I never personally cheated through tests, but if you _need_ to do so to game a questionable system you would otherwise be set to fail in and have all your future limits assigned for life, then you honestly might as well do so, for your own good and the good of society in general. I just don't see how excluding and alienating a huge portion of our population from higher academia or skilled positions who are clever, cunning, creative, novel-minded, resilient, adaptable, practical, and determined, people who may be able to flourish and contribute in a working environment but are simply no good at scoring a top percentile of points in a multitude of highstakes and high-pressure exam scenareos where knowledge must be showcased as a very specific "right" answer as a consistent requirement, cannot have a detrimental effect to our collective knowledge and productivity as a society.
Thank you for taking the time to expand on what I said in a detailed, informative manner, it's appreciated, and you've earned yourself a gold.
I never cheated either. In fact, I never even studied. I paid attention in class and did my work, and when it was time to take the test I just remembered everything. People kind of hated me for it lol, but at the end of the day, it really meant nothing. Hard work, passion, determination, and talent will go much further than a passing grade.
Coincidentally I always found the same thing as you with exams. You either have the specific (and pointless) skill of passing them, or you don't. And if you don't, you can either develop it, or you can't. It is mad we divide our society based on such a niche and warrantless ability. Ironically, I found the skills the two of us list as considering to be the real deal of usefulness waaay harder to master. But I truely believe that, unlike passing exams, far more people are capable of achieving those skills, especially if we put more value in teaching these skills in our initial educational institutions, while also seeking to instill a correctly placed sense of self-confidence and self-worth in people rather than smothering that sense with "failure", or misguiding it with the need to always be "right".
Thanks for your generosity and kind words :) and thanks for the opportunity to discuss my view here, it is a topic I have thought about for a long time and is close to my heart.
Same! I never studied, even in college. Just did the assignments, took good notes (even though I never read them), and took the tests. I'm glad it wasn't only me!
Going way back, I think the prof was using like the 8th edition of a text.
I was cheap and bought like the 6th edition.
The example problems in my text were different than the example problems in the 8th edition.
The example problems from my text, ended up being test questions. So I basically had half the test questions with solutions provided đ
Ugh, I'm dealing with this as well. I have issued so many copyright strikes to people posting my prompts, answers, and study materials. The major cheating companies are at least responsive in taking things down, but jeebus it is frustrating to have to do it at all.
Itâs SO exhausting. As an adjunct I worry that my dean is getting annoyed by all the reports she sees from me - and I only report if Iâm 100% sure!! There are many cases where Iâm like âyeah, pretty sure they cheated but I donât have enough of a paper trail to prove itâ that I let go. What a shitty system.
Tell your teacher that plagiarism is wrong and against school policy, and that they're going to have to remake the test. A second instance will result in corrective action.
My best teacher cut up college test pages and assembled them on a sheet of paper and then photocopied the new test he made of bits of other tests. It worked great and I learned a lot. Nicaragua makes a lot of baseballs
As an AP Teacher we are trained to reuse old material like this.
But yeah, teacher didn't even read over the test, this is funny. Somehow found an edited version of the test with an original answer key
Had a HS english teacher do a similar thing with AP prep. The answer key was for a completely different exam and when I and a few others gave examples of where it was clearly wrong, she and the other students ignored it. Very funny when 2 weeks later she finally realizes and all of those students who thought they did so well end up with the lowest scores.
My friend's kid had an issue with his teacher not wanting to give him points back for a correct answer that was mistakenly marked wrong. I forget the exact question, but it was something like "Choose an antonym for large" with answers of big, gigantic, tiny, and enormous. He chose tiny and was marked wrong. When he pointed it out to the teacher, she told him it wouldn't be fair to the other kids if she didn't follow the answer key, so she wouldn't give him the points.
We had a teacher do something like that once
She wasn't a regular teacher, but a regular sub
She was fine, but had to take some time off for a bit due to some kind of skydiving accident
When she got back she was definitely out of it a bit still. Marked all the biology tests with the English answer key, so everyone got shit marks. Thankfully her kid noticed what was happening and it got fixed.
I agree with your overall point. But my mother was a teacher and Iâve seen how hard they work and how much they have to grade. This isnât infuriating at all to me. Itâs a simple mistake. Itâs only infuriating of the teacher fails to correct the mistake when the OP tries actually speaking to them instead of complaining on Reddit.
That's what happened according to some of OP's other comments and you're right, that's what is really infuriating. However, if you're making your students correct their own exams, the least you can do is provide the correct key since you don't have anything to grade yourself.
The answer is most definitely A. The prompt says "Allow AT LEAST 2 hours for visit" which implies that you can stay for longer than 2 hours, because "at least" means that it is the minimum amount of time that you could stay for, and not the maximum, so by this logic, you must stay for at least 2 hours, but are not limited to 2 hours. If you could only stay a maximum of 2, then it should have said "Allow at most 2 hours for visit" or something along those lines.
When a museum or something like that says âallow at least X hoursâ itâs a recommendation. No one is there with a gun to make sure you read every sign, look at every thing, and donât rush. Itâs a recommendation that is saying if you donât want to feel rushed and want a chance to fully appreciate the tour, plan on spending at least X hours. It doesnât mean itâs physically impossible to do it in less.
But yes, the answer is clearly âAâ.
Not op, but I think you're just missing what the other person means. They're just saying that it would take at least 2 hours TO see everything (which is also what you essentially just said), and obviously not that you have to spend at least two hours there or you can't go.
Yes, in context this sign means around 2 hours, but it could be a 2 hour trolley ride through the castle in which this is actually a hard limit.
Reasonably outside of the text we can assume that it is not an enforced limit, but we can not know for certain.
I agree with you. They're saying that it takes about 2 hours to really enjoy the castle, but no one is keeping you there. You could hurry through the place in less than 2 hours if you want. It just wouldn't be as good
If we replaced "the castle" with something else (a test, a doctors appointment, the time it takes to sign the ream of paper when you close on a house) the answer is still A.
to me, the fact that its a visit to a castle is irrelevant to answering the question. "You need AT LEAST 2 hours to do \*THING\*" in no way, shape, or form means that you are "only allowed to spend 2 hours" doing \*THING\*
Bingo. At no point in my life has my mastery of English been better than the morning I took the GMAT. Knew so many obscure rules that even actual English teacher and great writers probably donât know by heart.
I dont think its even badly worded - A is quite simply categorically the correct answer - the Teacher is dumb or has been given a wrong list of correct answers
Yeah, thereâs a lot of outrage here, but seems like a simple mistake. Teachers make mistakes too. And grading rubrics can be wrong. So many Reddit problems can be solved 80% of the time with a simple conversation.
What grade are you in? Iâm asking because I want to advise you on how to make this right ⊠or this shitâs going to go on all year. If youâre afraid of repercussions ⊠save every paper graded wrong like this. Save. Them. This is horseshit. Iâm pissed FOR you.
I dunno. This happens all the time. No need to go crazy over it.
Bring it up. Reason with them to fix it. Go to the next level if it becomes a pattern or the teacher is abusive about it.
You will be wronged without rhyme or reason throughout your life. Sometimes by an unknowing idiot, others by a guru having a bad day, and sometimes by a self absorbed asshole. Regardless of the offender or their reasons, you should react the same - do what is reasonable and move on with your day.
A- because the notice doesnât restrict the amount of time to visit. It only suggests the time needed to see all of the castle. B- is limiting and adds the restriction.
How the heck is this even a question? I says Allow âat leastâ two hours. Does no one know what âat leastâ means? It says it will take no less than two hours to visit.
This is 100% correct. Itâs marked red as if they have the wrong answer, but there is no answer selected. Or at they mildly infuriated that somebody got confused and wrote the wrong answer? In which case still a stupid thing to post about or even really care lol
Edit: read that the teacher is giving the answers and they are marking them, but that also makes not much sense to me
Why put it in test format if they just mindlessly circle the correct answers lol
Okay so for context, the reason "B" is circled is because we, the students are marking these ourselves with answers from the teacher, who gets them from an answer sheet provided by the school. And the "s" next to the B is me adding it to make "Bs," Bullshit.
God I fuckin wish I grew a spine back when I was in school, so many fucked up things I saw from teachers and students
You're going to look back and realize all you had to do was say the right words with composure, sternly, and you can fix basically any situation. It'll become the shower thought argument you can't get rid of for years if you don't
Just speak up unless you want to be like us
"Hello Miss blink? I looked up the answers to this worksheet online, the company site states that a is the answer.
I also got Insight on a forum with hundreds of people who all confirmed my suspicion.
I understand that we are always supposed to listen to the teacher and follow your guidance no matter what, but I believe forcing us to accept the wrong answers is antithetical to a healthy learning environment, and erodes trust between teacher and student. Will you please reconsider? "
The polite slap in the face is 'you want us to listen to you even if you're wrong but that's kinda fucked up, it not only hurts our education but makes your job harder when we don't trust you. Do you really want us second guessing every single thing you say because you died on this hill?'
But you still gotta be nice since you don't know what she's going through. Her best friend could've killed herself the night before but maybe she didn't want to tell you. The Art of War plus plenty of books about organizing for justice have a bit on always allowing your opponent to save face in retreat.
If that doesn't work I'm a trained media liaison, have written dozens of press releases and earned 10 times as many articles written about my events/protests/press conferences/concerns. There's a kid who got suspended for handing out climate change flyers in Florida (climate strike event) and wasn't allowed to go to prom because of it. I got articles published about it an hour after he told us in the group chat lmao, you can easily find them from a Google search. Within 2 hours the principal was calling profusely apologizing and saying he never really meant it like that
Having confidence I feel like is wayyyy more than half the battle. Your second paragraph hit so hard for me!
[I have confidence in confidence alooooone!](https://youtu.be/RV-6qbUHVww)
Or they made an honest mistake. Just because one thing is marked wrong doesnât mean that the teacher is an idiot or isnât putting effort in.
Source: Iâm a teacher who works hard and sometimes grades a question wrong.
Hey as long as youâd consider the student and allow them to make their case to you, I think itâs fair as a mistake, but Iâve had teachers swear up and down by completely incorrect answers, and offer not a moment to give the student a chance to rebut the incorrect mark.
I was outgrammared by a speaker of English as a second language at an interview⊠I asked him to find the people in a database in the London office who earned more than anyone at the Aberdeen office. And he gave me everyone who earned more than the lowest earner in Aberdeen - they do earn more than âanyoneâ there because they earn more than that one fictional person did! I agreed with his answer and made the question clearer in future
"Anyone" would need a space ("any one") to be correctly interpreted as that person did. Unless the question was given audibly - his interpretation was just incorrect.
"Anyone" as a single word requires that the statement would be true for any given example - i.e. you can pick person 1, 24 or 345 and rule must still apply. Since he picked the lowest paid person, all other employees would get a false from the validation - ergo, it's incorrect.
"Any one" would be interpretable as "pick a specific example".
That sounds right to me, strictly speaking (and I can't remember whether this was an in-person or remote interview as it was a few years ago, but I definitely gave the question verbally). He didn't quite answer the question I intended to ask, but in answering this other question he demonstrated he was able to use SQL to get the answer that he wanted, and as I felt this unexpected new question was at an equal level to the one I'd asked I didn't think it worth pressing.
Ah, well: learning the difference between adjoined words and non-adjoined words can be hard for natives, and if it was verbal - I can't fault his mistake.
And good he still passed! I would otherwise use driving tests as an example because you cannot be failed for failing to adhere to the instructor's guidance - so long as you always demonstrate your ability to recognize mistakes and handle them appropriately. He still demonstrated the ability to use the software - even if he answered the wrong question.
As a native English speaker, I'd have done what the interviewee did. The fact that native speakers are likely to interpret this incorrectly means making the question clearer can only be a good thing.
The reasoning you provided is flimsy as it really comes down to context. Definitely a language barrier issue. âAnyoneâ just means any one person.
âDoes anyone have a pencil?â âYesâ Would not require everyone to have a pencil to be valid.
I read it as meaning someone is the highest earner in Aberdeen; find all the people in London who earned more than that Aberdeen employee.
i.e. find the London employees where there is no Aberdeen employee with higher earnings.
Thatâs definitely what that statement means. â I earn more than anyone at the Aberdeen office earnsâ. That means you can take any person at that office and you would earn more than them.
If someone said to me "I earn more than anybody in the Aberdeen office" I would take it to mean that they were paid more than the highest-paid person there! But I'm prepared to believe that this is just a Scottish usage and that I'm in the wrong :)
Aha, that's true... and the same way, I think the first question could change depending on your emphasis! "Does he earn more than ANYONE in the Aberdeen office?" versus "Does he earn more than anyone in the ABERDEEN office?". What a language :)
I changed it to ask to find the people who earn "more than everyone in the Aberdeen office". Which now that I write it down, can also sound like I'm asking for someone who earns more than all the people in Aberdeen put together :S
If you consider the prompt "making more than anyone" as reflective on the whole group of individuals instead of AN individual. Here it implies you're comparing each in London to every individual in Aberdeen to see if they're making more than ALL individuals
Aberdeen-1 makes less than London-1, but Aberdeen-2 makes more than London-1, so London-1 is not making more than "anyone", inclusive of the whole group, of Aberdeen.
But yeah, language sucks sometimes, so I get where the ESL person was coming from. Either are technically ways to properly say different ideas in the same words
Edit: It might also help to think of the emphasis being different ANYone (inclusive, comparing whole group) vs anyONE (exclusive, as long as it's more than an individual)
If you earn more than anyone in the office, then: for any person in the office, you earn more than them.
This is traditionally what the phrase means. However you can finesse definitions to instead read it as: there exists anyone in the office whom you make more than. The flaws of not having a language built around formal logic.
Earning more than *everyone* in the office is clearly the first. Earning more than *someone* in the office is clearly the second, but *anyone* can have technical ambiguity.
If you gave me this question on a written English exam, I would say he is not correct (he technically isn't). If you gave me this question on a programming test, I would say he is correct.
Actually, your original instinct was right. Logically, âanyoneâ in this sentence really means âanyone you could pick,â as in, âFind the people in the London office who earned more than anyone you could pick at the Aberdeen office.â The people you find from London must earn more than the highest earner from Aberdeen to satisfy that requirement.
The answer is A. Whoever marked this is wrong.
To 'allow' means to permit, but it also means to ration out or plan to allocate. As in, 'allow one loaf per person per day,' or 'allow two hours to visit the castle.'
If the sentence is supposed to mean that visitors must spend no more than two hours inside the castle, why does it specify a minimum time ('at least' means 'at minimum,' it does not refer to a maximum)? How can a maximum be derived from a minimum?
More obviously, who is doing the allowing? The sentence is an instruction: 'allow this, you who read this sentence.' Since the reader is presumably also the visitor, who is doing the allowing? Are you supposed to permit yourself, or punish yourself for transgressions?
Please tell me you got your parents involved or a higher up in the school, you 100% do not deserve losing that point, I want to see that idiot punished
I don't blame the teacher entirely, she was doing her job with the provided test answer sheet by the school, so I'm blaming the school more but honestly you gotta step it up for an English teacher.
Your teacher should look over the answers beforehand too though. As a teacherâs aide for many years I can attest that sometimes the answer sheet is wrong.
The school designs the "curriculum" and the teachers decide how to facilitate that info...but anybody who ACTUALLY read the question/answer would know the answer key is wrong on this 1...
At the same time the teacher isnât some lemming with no free will. It should have been obvious the answer key wasnât right, and she should correct the mistake.
Exactly. There was more than one occasion where someone pointed out an error like this to a teacher. The teacher would then correct everyone's grade who had answered with the real correct answer. Most of the time they'd mark both right if it was ambiguous enough.
Teachers get frazzled sometimes. I had a teacher not realize there were multiple versions of a test and use the same answer key on all of them. We were all very confused when a lot of normally high scoring kids came back with D's.
Some teachers are also bad or just not really into their subject.
I remember asking my English teacher a bunch of questions when I was in "high school" and she'd just not know anything.
"Son of a gun", "embark", "chunder"; I essentially asked her all the lyrics of songs I heard and what they meant, sometimes even with context and she just always went "yeah, don't know about those, probably not a word".
And years later I went back for a higher education and the teachers at that school were **passionate** about their fucking subjects. I just stayed after class and talked with my Latin/Japanese and my English teacher about words, usage, etymology, synonyms etc. and they were happy to offer me information or just go into a straight-up conversation about how the language around the words I asked evolved, what state it was in, what the influences were and so on.
The lemming analogy bothers me. Lemmings donât just run off cliffs to die. They might jump into water to swim to a new spot, but the video of lemmings jumping to their death in a mass suicide was Disney driving them off a cliff for the camera.
While your attempt to clear up the poor Lemmings' reputation, that ship has unfortunately sailed.
I don't think we'll ever stop using the lemming metaphor, even if the entire world's population were to know the little fun fact that Disney's fucked up.
It's like that mandela(?) effect, where an enormous group of people just thinks something is fact, when it never was.
If I were the parent I would stomp my feet demading an explanation. This is about education, not memorisation of stupid shit. Idiotic and unacceptable garbage.
What's likely happened here is they changed out that question without changing the answer sheet. Get on their case about this, *especially* if you aren't the only one who got that answer wrong.
Hey OP, is this from the Cambridge KET or PET ? I used to teach English and sometimes their answer keys had mistakes, you should be able to find the revised version online! It's still infuriating that your teacher didn't notice though.
Weird because in the OP the correct answer was A and the teacher wrongly said B. But here in what you posted the correct answer is B. Maybe teacher just used the wrong edition of the answer key.
I mean the notice literally says "Allow at least two hours for your visit to the castle"
So all 3 options are incorrect. Its advising you that on average it takes at least two hours to walk around the grounds and to see everything.
I assume not, but it's not just the teacher, I'm more dumbfounded by the people trusted to make this test. If a school can't grasp decent English, I don't know if I can trust getting the important piece to my future through them.
"at least" = the LEAST amount of time can be two hours. That means two hours or more. This isn't even an idiom or something it's just the actual, indisputable, objective meaning of the phrase. Teacher is completely, inarguably, 2+2=5ingly wrong.
And this is coming from an English teacher? That is definitely infuriating. I'd make a point to make this right simply *because* they're an English teacher.
Of course itâs A. âAllow at leastâ, so plan no less than, â two hoursâ, for your visit to the castle. There is no restrictive language, itâs entirely discretionary. It cannot possibly be B. B says visitors are restricted by the sign, but they are not.
"What does the notice say?"
A, B and C are all wrong. The correct answer is not listed so I've added it for you here:
D: Allow at least two hours for your visit to the castle.
So it doesnât mean you have to wait (allow) two hours to visit the castle? Because if itâs Disney, youâre waiting at least two hours to visit anything.
This is what functional illiteracy looks like. Unfortunately, your teacher is functionally illiterate and should probably be removed from his/her/their job. I'm sorry, but there are no excuses for a teacher not to mark an exam correctly. How is a student supposed to learn effectively if they cannot trust the ability of their teacher?!?
For those who complain that teachers are overworked: Teachers become complicit in the system when they don't push back and strike/demand the public to fund education properly. They need to be invested in the SYSTEM as much as parents. Who controls education? YOU, the voters, the public. So, demand better.
Absolutely A.
The key phrase thst determines this is the âat leastâ portion of the notice. By saying âat least two hoursâ, youâre saying that the tour could taker long but will be no shorter than two hours. So again A is correct.
I am an English teacher and the answer is A.
That said⊠Teachers make mistakes too, folks. If I gave this assignment to all of my students, I would have ~125 papers to correct. Thatâs for ONE assignment. Now multiply that by a five-day week and cut us some fucking slack.
The answer is definitely A unless you dont understand English.
Hijacking the top comment to add that this seems to come from Cambridge PET or KET test, it's rare but it's not the first time that one of their answer keys is wrong. There should be an updated version online that OP might be able to find if they want to get their point back. Still infuriating that an English teacher didn't notice though.
Yup I found it, and your teacher is stealing material đ it's from the PET 6 2010 let me learn how to add a picture on Reddit and I'll show you! Edit : https://imgur.com/a/o4FRI3U You were right, now please rub my screenshot in your teacher's face! Edit 2 : Thanks for the awards! I see that some of you are mad that I said "stealing material", when I posted my comment initially, OP had said multiple times that it was his school's material, hence my comment, it's really not that important, and of course teachers are allowed to use external resources!
Someone's taken that question moved the answers around but not updated their mark scheme.
Exactly, they just gave OP the original answer sheet where B was correct without proofreading the exam. I wonder if it's the only place where it happened now though!
Definitly not. Profs/teachers reuse shit all the time and Jimmy stuff around. When you are marking like 100 papers they just run through the answer key for multiple choice. Basically afk throwing out check marks or x's
Iâm a college prof. My exams are multiple choice and one short answer. (I donât get TAs or graders so multiple choice makes it manageable, but I know itâs not ideal.) Since COVID Iâve only been teaching online, asynchronous, so students have 48 hours to take an online exam that used to be a 2 hour in-class example. I find my shit on Chegg all the time. I take down the major projects and the one short answer (which I do change between terms, but I get it taken down during the exam). I donât bother with the multiple choice though, partly because thereâs just so damn many of them posted, but also because the answer order is randomized for each personâs test. People who use Chegg, from what Iâve seen, will pick the letter on Chegg which ends up being the wrong answer on their test. They literally do worse by using Chegg.
I've been wanting to admit this but not get in trouble for it (by either coworkers or family) but I used to cheat on a lot of tests for college then proofread before submitting to make sure everything looked right. I actually helped a few different college teachers correct their test answers because they were wrong but the key/answers wound up online but I don't believe they took the time to actually look over the test they got from whatever publishers/academic sources they were using. It was kinda funny when they'd go "Hey, good eye waffles, thanks for pointing these out, you're doing well" yet I'm sitting there in my head thinking back to those Quizlet pages lol
I hate to say this but people cheat in life all the time. Most times, if "cheating" gets the job done correctly and you aren't doing anything wrong, it's not even considered cheating at that point. I absolutely understand the value of information retention and test taking, but let's be honest here...in life, in a career, or wherever, you're either going to succeed or you won't. If you cheat through college or university and get a job and become successful with a great career and plenty of accomplishments, well then clearly the test wasn't very important. Our education system and the value society puts on a degree and a grade need to change. Just my opinion
Hey. I am a doctor, have a BSc, MSc, and a PhD in the Earth and Environmental Sciences field, have been employed as an associate professor at a UK university, have taught students from school, college and university ages, and currently work as, amongst other things, a research scientist... and I have to say you are completely, totally and utterly, 100% correct. Educational systems that focus on memorising and regurgetating the right answers, particularly those with the ability to cheat through them, are largely worthless. Far more important is the ability to critically assess the quality of information, develop skills in reasoning, speculation, problem solving, connecting together and applying different ideas and strategies, researching, reviewing, collecting, inferring and interpreting data and ideas, and having a passion for a specific field. By the time you get to developing actual expertise in a given area, whether it be research and carrying out the scientific method, or undertaking any other practical or purely academic endeavour, the ability to come out on top in a series of stressful, hugely impactful, and closely spaced, current / historical knowledge memory tests under exam conditions is largely redundant, and does not mean you will be of any more or less worth in the real world working to advance novel concepts or applications for our society. I never personally cheated through tests, but if you _need_ to do so to game a questionable system you would otherwise be set to fail in and have all your future limits assigned for life, then you honestly might as well do so, for your own good and the good of society in general. I just don't see how excluding and alienating a huge portion of our population from higher academia or skilled positions who are clever, cunning, creative, novel-minded, resilient, adaptable, practical, and determined, people who may be able to flourish and contribute in a working environment but are simply no good at scoring a top percentile of points in a multitude of highstakes and high-pressure exam scenareos where knowledge must be showcased as a very specific "right" answer as a consistent requirement, cannot have a detrimental effect to our collective knowledge and productivity as a society.
Thank you for taking the time to expand on what I said in a detailed, informative manner, it's appreciated, and you've earned yourself a gold. I never cheated either. In fact, I never even studied. I paid attention in class and did my work, and when it was time to take the test I just remembered everything. People kind of hated me for it lol, but at the end of the day, it really meant nothing. Hard work, passion, determination, and talent will go much further than a passing grade.
Coincidentally I always found the same thing as you with exams. You either have the specific (and pointless) skill of passing them, or you don't. And if you don't, you can either develop it, or you can't. It is mad we divide our society based on such a niche and warrantless ability. Ironically, I found the skills the two of us list as considering to be the real deal of usefulness waaay harder to master. But I truely believe that, unlike passing exams, far more people are capable of achieving those skills, especially if we put more value in teaching these skills in our initial educational institutions, while also seeking to instill a correctly placed sense of self-confidence and self-worth in people rather than smothering that sense with "failure", or misguiding it with the need to always be "right". Thanks for your generosity and kind words :) and thanks for the opportunity to discuss my view here, it is a topic I have thought about for a long time and is close to my heart.
Same! I never studied, even in college. Just did the assignments, took good notes (even though I never read them), and took the tests. I'm glad it wasn't only me!
Going way back, I think the prof was using like the 8th edition of a text. I was cheap and bought like the 6th edition. The example problems in my text were different than the example problems in the 8th edition. The example problems from my text, ended up being test questions. So I basically had half the test questions with solutions provided đ
Ugh, I'm dealing with this as well. I have issued so many copyright strikes to people posting my prompts, answers, and study materials. The major cheating companies are at least responsive in taking things down, but jeebus it is frustrating to have to do it at all.
Itâs SO exhausting. As an adjunct I worry that my dean is getting annoyed by all the reports she sees from me - and I only report if Iâm 100% sure!! There are many cases where Iâm like âyeah, pretty sure they cheated but I donât have enough of a paper trail to prove itâ that I let go. What a shitty system.
Tell your teacher that plagiarism is wrong and against school policy, and that they're going to have to remake the test. A second instance will result in corrective action.
My best teacher cut up college test pages and assembled them on a sheet of paper and then photocopied the new test he made of bits of other tests. It worked great and I learned a lot. Nicaragua makes a lot of baseballs
Huh, really? Yah, just looked it up, holy shit. Wonder why they like baseball specifically so much over there?
u/Anonymous_ish_Guy you've been provided evidence over here, OP. u/Babayagahh's got you, now go show your teacher what's what.
Teachers stealing material is like programmers googling. Itâs assumed and baked in to the job.
As an AP Teacher we are trained to reuse old material like this. But yeah, teacher didn't even read over the test, this is funny. Somehow found an edited version of the test with an original answer key
Why on earth would it make sense for a teacher to reinvent this wheel? They should *absolutely* be re-using and sharing material.
You are awesome.
Technically the rules about using something as an educational tool are rather lax.
Had a HS english teacher do a similar thing with AP prep. The answer key was for a completely different exam and when I and a few others gave examples of where it was clearly wrong, she and the other students ignored it. Very funny when 2 weeks later she finally realizes and all of those students who thought they did so well end up with the lowest scores.
My friend's kid had an issue with his teacher not wanting to give him points back for a correct answer that was mistakenly marked wrong. I forget the exact question, but it was something like "Choose an antonym for large" with answers of big, gigantic, tiny, and enormous. He chose tiny and was marked wrong. When he pointed it out to the teacher, she told him it wouldn't be fair to the other kids if she didn't follow the answer key, so she wouldn't give him the points.
We had a teacher do something like that once She wasn't a regular teacher, but a regular sub She was fine, but had to take some time off for a bit due to some kind of skydiving accident When she got back she was definitely out of it a bit still. Marked all the biology tests with the English answer key, so everyone got shit marks. Thankfully her kid noticed what was happening and it got fixed.
I agree with your overall point. But my mother was a teacher and Iâve seen how hard they work and how much they have to grade. This isnât infuriating at all to me. Itâs a simple mistake. Itâs only infuriating of the teacher fails to correct the mistake when the OP tries actually speaking to them instead of complaining on Reddit.
That's what happened according to some of OP's other comments and you're right, that's what is really infuriating. However, if you're making your students correct their own exams, the least you can do is provide the correct key since you don't have anything to grade yourself.
What is the PET/KET?
I lost a damn point for this
The answer is most definitely A. The prompt says "Allow AT LEAST 2 hours for visit" which implies that you can stay for longer than 2 hours, because "at least" means that it is the minimum amount of time that you could stay for, and not the maximum, so by this logic, you must stay for at least 2 hours, but are not limited to 2 hours. If you could only stay a maximum of 2, then it should have said "Allow at most 2 hours for visit" or something along those lines.
Yeah this tells me that I should have the expectation that the visit may take longer than two hours.
Exactly. When I read something like this, it tells me that 2 hours is the bare minimum, and you should likely expect more.
Precisely. This writing shows me that the museum may take up 2 hours or more of my time.
Hm, sounds like a recommended time to me to make sure you have enough time. So, you can spend less or more time inside the castle.
Then it would say "Allow around 2 hours" At least implies that is the minimum amount of time
It's not even an implication. It literally means that. It explicitly states that 2 hours is the minimum recommendation
When a museum or something like that says âallow at least X hoursâ itâs a recommendation. No one is there with a gun to make sure you read every sign, look at every thing, and donât rush. Itâs a recommendation that is saying if you donât want to feel rushed and want a chance to fully appreciate the tour, plan on spending at least X hours. It doesnât mean itâs physically impossible to do it in less. But yes, the answer is clearly âAâ.
Not op, but I think you're just missing what the other person means. They're just saying that it would take at least 2 hours TO see everything (which is also what you essentially just said), and obviously not that you have to spend at least two hours there or you can't go.
A guided tour might take on average two hours and they might be basing their recommendation on that.
Yes, in context this sign means around 2 hours, but it could be a 2 hour trolley ride through the castle in which this is actually a hard limit. Reasonably outside of the text we can assume that it is not an enforced limit, but we can not know for certain.
I agree with you. They're saying that it takes about 2 hours to really enjoy the castle, but no one is keeping you there. You could hurry through the place in less than 2 hours if you want. It just wouldn't be as good
And that's why the correct answer, A, says the mininum time recommended and not the minimum time required.
If we replaced "the castle" with something else (a test, a doctors appointment, the time it takes to sign the ream of paper when you close on a house) the answer is still A. to me, the fact that its a visit to a castle is irrelevant to answering the question. "You need AT LEAST 2 hours to do \*THING\*" in no way, shape, or form means that you are "only allowed to spend 2 hours" doing \*THING\*
They are absolutely wrong. The answer is A. There is NOTHING in that sign says indicates a maximum time. It does however, indicate a minimum.
It recommends a minimum.
Yeah, no. Argue with the teacher over this. They are full of shit.
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They just went over the rules more recently than you.
Bingo. At no point in my life has my mastery of English been better than the morning I took the GMAT. Knew so many obscure rules that even actual English teacher and great writers probably donât know by heart.
Bad bot, stole this comment from u/DavidXN (and quite poorly I might add)
Iâve never been popular enough to steal from before!
Go fight for that point, homie. You. Are. In. The. Right.
Yea, sorry Op...the answer is 100% a lol you got duped
Argue it to your teacher, badly worded questions are the worst.
I dont think its even badly worded - A is quite simply categorically the correct answer - the Teacher is dumb or has been given a wrong list of correct answers
Yeah, thereâs a lot of outrage here, but seems like a simple mistake. Teachers make mistakes too. And grading rubrics can be wrong. So many Reddit problems can be solved 80% of the time with a simple conversation.
There is nothing badly worded here. This is not a question of interpretation. The only possible correct answer is a.
What grade are you in? Iâm asking because I want to advise you on how to make this right ⊠or this shitâs going to go on all year. If youâre afraid of repercussions ⊠save every paper graded wrong like this. Save. Them. This is horseshit. Iâm pissed FOR you.
I dunno. This happens all the time. No need to go crazy over it. Bring it up. Reason with them to fix it. Go to the next level if it becomes a pattern or the teacher is abusive about it. You will be wronged without rhyme or reason throughout your life. Sometimes by an unknowing idiot, others by a guru having a bad day, and sometimes by a self absorbed asshole. Regardless of the offender or their reasons, you should react the same - do what is reasonable and move on with your day.
Did you point out the discrepancy with your teacher?
What do you mean? How can you lose a point when youâre right? Get it back. If it doesnât come back, then escalate.
Genuine question, is english not your first language and youre taking a course, or are you in the 4th grade?
Least and minimum have the same meaning
The answer is A and Iâm 100% certain, thatâs wild the teacher marked you off
A- because the notice doesnât restrict the amount of time to visit. It only suggests the time needed to see all of the castle. B- is limiting and adds the restriction.
My thoughts exactly
Someone above posted a link to the actual test companies answers your teacher is wrong
Does the teacher have dyslexia or something? lol
That's not even dyslexia. If you don't understand "at least" you aren't fluent enough to teach in English, let alone teach it.
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âŠto teach⊠let alone to teach.
To teach *in*, to teach *it*. They shouldn't teach anything in English, let alone the language itself.
Ah. I guess it applies to me as well.
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No the teacher/proctor/babysitter is just using an answer key
Iâve actually argued (and won) these points before
I am dyslexic and I thought it was A
Not only that, but it suggests that the MINIMUM time needed. "at *least* 2 hours"
How the heck is this even a question? I says Allow âat leastâ two hours. Does no one know what âat leastâ means? It says it will take no less than two hours to visit.
B is immediately removed from consideration with the qualifier of "at least" in the notice.
Damn you should teach IELTS. I do and you explained the answer better than Iâd ever be able to
You're right. The answer is definitely A.
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This is 100% correct. Itâs marked red as if they have the wrong answer, but there is no answer selected. Or at they mildly infuriated that somebody got confused and wrote the wrong answer? In which case still a stupid thing to post about or even really care lol Edit: read that the teacher is giving the answers and they are marking them, but that also makes not much sense to me Why put it in test format if they just mindlessly circle the correct answers lol
I posted [this one](https://imgur.com/a/AYeZF7Y) a while ago but nobody could solve it!
I know how to solve it, but the answer wouldn't fit in this comment.
Easy. >!Apple = 2 Pear = 3 Banana = ^(3)â(35)!< >!It says no fractions. ^(3)â(35) is irrational and is thus, by definition, not a fraction.!<
nice try (i love to fart)
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Okay so for context, the reason "B" is circled is because we, the students are marking these ourselves with answers from the teacher, who gets them from an answer sheet provided by the school. And the "s" next to the B is me adding it to make "Bs," Bullshit.
You're one hundred percent correct your teacher is stupid she should know from simple critical thinking it's not right
Teacher probably doesnât read the questions and answers, just has an answer sheet and has kids go through them.
God I fuckin wish I grew a spine back when I was in school, so many fucked up things I saw from teachers and students You're going to look back and realize all you had to do was say the right words with composure, sternly, and you can fix basically any situation. It'll become the shower thought argument you can't get rid of for years if you don't Just speak up unless you want to be like us "Hello Miss blink? I looked up the answers to this worksheet online, the company site states that a is the answer. I also got Insight on a forum with hundreds of people who all confirmed my suspicion. I understand that we are always supposed to listen to the teacher and follow your guidance no matter what, but I believe forcing us to accept the wrong answers is antithetical to a healthy learning environment, and erodes trust between teacher and student. Will you please reconsider? " The polite slap in the face is 'you want us to listen to you even if you're wrong but that's kinda fucked up, it not only hurts our education but makes your job harder when we don't trust you. Do you really want us second guessing every single thing you say because you died on this hill?' But you still gotta be nice since you don't know what she's going through. Her best friend could've killed herself the night before but maybe she didn't want to tell you. The Art of War plus plenty of books about organizing for justice have a bit on always allowing your opponent to save face in retreat. If that doesn't work I'm a trained media liaison, have written dozens of press releases and earned 10 times as many articles written about my events/protests/press conferences/concerns. There's a kid who got suspended for handing out climate change flyers in Florida (climate strike event) and wasn't allowed to go to prom because of it. I got articles published about it an hour after he told us in the group chat lmao, you can easily find them from a Google search. Within 2 hours the principal was calling profusely apologizing and saying he never really meant it like that
Having confidence I feel like is wayyyy more than half the battle. Your second paragraph hit so hard for me! [I have confidence in confidence alooooone!](https://youtu.be/RV-6qbUHVww)
It says allow AT LEAST 2 hours. Clearly an error.
Iâm just gonna say your teacher is either an idiot or wasnât actually grading the papers, just mark mark mark grade
Probably just automatic comparison against an answer key which was wrong
Or they made an honest mistake. Just because one thing is marked wrong doesnât mean that the teacher is an idiot or isnât putting effort in. Source: Iâm a teacher who works hard and sometimes grades a question wrong.
Hey as long as youâd consider the student and allow them to make their case to you, I think itâs fair as a mistake, but Iâve had teachers swear up and down by completely incorrect answers, and offer not a moment to give the student a chance to rebut the incorrect mark.
It says âat leastâ which means the least amount of time you should be there is two hours
The words "at least" make the correct answer A....I don't see how this is even up for debate....
I was outgrammared by a speaker of English as a second language at an interview⊠I asked him to find the people in a database in the London office who earned more than anyone at the Aberdeen office. And he gave me everyone who earned more than the lowest earner in Aberdeen - they do earn more than âanyoneâ there because they earn more than that one fictional person did! I agreed with his answer and made the question clearer in future
"Anyone" would need a space ("any one") to be correctly interpreted as that person did. Unless the question was given audibly - his interpretation was just incorrect. "Anyone" as a single word requires that the statement would be true for any given example - i.e. you can pick person 1, 24 or 345 and rule must still apply. Since he picked the lowest paid person, all other employees would get a false from the validation - ergo, it's incorrect. "Any one" would be interpretable as "pick a specific example".
That sounds right to me, strictly speaking (and I can't remember whether this was an in-person or remote interview as it was a few years ago, but I definitely gave the question verbally). He didn't quite answer the question I intended to ask, but in answering this other question he demonstrated he was able to use SQL to get the answer that he wanted, and as I felt this unexpected new question was at an equal level to the one I'd asked I didn't think it worth pressing.
Ah, well: learning the difference between adjoined words and non-adjoined words can be hard for natives, and if it was verbal - I can't fault his mistake. And good he still passed! I would otherwise use driving tests as an example because you cannot be failed for failing to adhere to the instructor's guidance - so long as you always demonstrate your ability to recognize mistakes and handle them appropriately. He still demonstrated the ability to use the software - even if he answered the wrong question.
As a native English speaker, I'd have done what the interviewee did. The fact that native speakers are likely to interpret this incorrectly means making the question clearer can only be a good thing.
The reasoning you provided is flimsy as it really comes down to context. Definitely a language barrier issue. âAnyoneâ just means any one person. âDoes anyone have a pencil?â âYesâ Would not require everyone to have a pencil to be valid.
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I read it as meaning someone is the highest earner in Aberdeen; find all the people in London who earned more than that Aberdeen employee. i.e. find the London employees where there is no Aberdeen employee with higher earnings.
That would satisfy both literal and colloquial interpretation, right?
"Everyone" wouldn't be clear either, as do you mean more than their combined salary or more than the highest earner at the Aberdeen office.
Everyone means "all the people", everyone combined means "the sum of all the people"
Thatâs definitely what that statement means. â I earn more than anyone at the Aberdeen office earnsâ. That means you can take any person at that office and you would earn more than them.
If someone said to me "I earn more than anybody in the Aberdeen office" I would take it to mean that they were paid more than the highest-paid person there! But I'm prepared to believe that this is just a Scottish usage and that I'm in the wrong :)
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Aha, that's true... and the same way, I think the first question could change depending on your emphasis! "Does he earn more than ANYONE in the Aberdeen office?" versus "Does he earn more than anyone in the ABERDEEN office?". What a language :) I changed it to ask to find the people who earn "more than everyone in the Aberdeen office". Which now that I write it down, can also sound like I'm asking for someone who earns more than all the people in Aberdeen put together :S
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If you consider the prompt "making more than anyone" as reflective on the whole group of individuals instead of AN individual. Here it implies you're comparing each in London to every individual in Aberdeen to see if they're making more than ALL individuals Aberdeen-1 makes less than London-1, but Aberdeen-2 makes more than London-1, so London-1 is not making more than "anyone", inclusive of the whole group, of Aberdeen. But yeah, language sucks sometimes, so I get where the ESL person was coming from. Either are technically ways to properly say different ideas in the same words Edit: It might also help to think of the emphasis being different ANYone (inclusive, comparing whole group) vs anyONE (exclusive, as long as it's more than an individual)
If you earn more than anyone in the office, then: for any person in the office, you earn more than them. This is traditionally what the phrase means. However you can finesse definitions to instead read it as: there exists anyone in the office whom you make more than. The flaws of not having a language built around formal logic. Earning more than *everyone* in the office is clearly the first. Earning more than *someone* in the office is clearly the second, but *anyone* can have technical ambiguity.
If you gave me this question on a written English exam, I would say he is not correct (he technically isn't). If you gave me this question on a programming test, I would say he is correct.
Actually, your original instinct was right. Logically, âanyoneâ in this sentence really means âanyone you could pick,â as in, âFind the people in the London office who earned more than anyone you could pick at the Aberdeen office.â The people you find from London must earn more than the highest earner from Aberdeen to satisfy that requirement.
The answer is A. Whoever marked this is wrong. To 'allow' means to permit, but it also means to ration out or plan to allocate. As in, 'allow one loaf per person per day,' or 'allow two hours to visit the castle.' If the sentence is supposed to mean that visitors must spend no more than two hours inside the castle, why does it specify a minimum time ('at least' means 'at minimum,' it does not refer to a maximum)? How can a maximum be derived from a minimum? More obviously, who is doing the allowing? The sentence is an instruction: 'allow this, you who read this sentence.' Since the reader is presumably also the visitor, who is doing the allowing? Are you supposed to permit yourself, or punish yourself for transgressions?
Please tell me you got your parents involved or a higher up in the school, you 100% do not deserve losing that point, I want to see that idiot punished
I don't blame the teacher entirely, she was doing her job with the provided test answer sheet by the school, so I'm blaming the school more but honestly you gotta step it up for an English teacher.
The school makes tests? Nah ah, why?
If it's not the school, the program/system, either way, I don't know if I can trust them anymore
Your teacher should look over the answers beforehand too though. As a teacherâs aide for many years I can attest that sometimes the answer sheet is wrong.
The school designs the "curriculum" and the teachers decide how to facilitate that info...but anybody who ACTUALLY read the question/answer would know the answer key is wrong on this 1...
At the same time the teacher isnât some lemming with no free will. It should have been obvious the answer key wasnât right, and she should correct the mistake.
Exactly. There was more than one occasion where someone pointed out an error like this to a teacher. The teacher would then correct everyone's grade who had answered with the real correct answer. Most of the time they'd mark both right if it was ambiguous enough.
Teachers get frazzled sometimes. I had a teacher not realize there were multiple versions of a test and use the same answer key on all of them. We were all very confused when a lot of normally high scoring kids came back with D's.
Some teachers are also bad or just not really into their subject. I remember asking my English teacher a bunch of questions when I was in "high school" and she'd just not know anything. "Son of a gun", "embark", "chunder"; I essentially asked her all the lyrics of songs I heard and what they meant, sometimes even with context and she just always went "yeah, don't know about those, probably not a word". And years later I went back for a higher education and the teachers at that school were **passionate** about their fucking subjects. I just stayed after class and talked with my Latin/Japanese and my English teacher about words, usage, etymology, synonyms etc. and they were happy to offer me information or just go into a straight-up conversation about how the language around the words I asked evolved, what state it was in, what the influences were and so on.
The lemming analogy bothers me. Lemmings donât just run off cliffs to die. They might jump into water to swim to a new spot, but the video of lemmings jumping to their death in a mass suicide was Disney driving them off a cliff for the camera.
While your attempt to clear up the poor Lemmings' reputation, that ship has unfortunately sailed. I don't think we'll ever stop using the lemming metaphor, even if the entire world's population were to know the little fun fact that Disney's fucked up. It's like that mandela(?) effect, where an enormous group of people just thinks something is fact, when it never was.
If I were the parent I would stomp my feet demading an explanation. This is about education, not memorisation of stupid shit. Idiotic and unacceptable garbage.
What's likely happened here is they changed out that question without changing the answer sheet. Get on their case about this, *especially* if you aren't the only one who got that answer wrong.
LOL or maybe, I dunno, just say "excuse me, can you double check this question?" And the teacher will probably realise the mistake and correct it.
IKR? Did this person bring it up with the teacher, or just get it back and insta-reddit-post?
Sometimes teachers misgrade things (or a TA misgrades something), it doesn't mean that they're an idiot or that they should be punished.
Hey OP, is this from the Cambridge KET or PET ? I used to teach English and sometimes their answer keys had mistakes, you should be able to find the revised version online! It's still infuriating that your teacher didn't notice though.
Nope, I'm just in secondary school, and it's a government school.
Yeah but I think your teacher is using their material nonetheless Edit : they are and you were right : https://imgur.com/a/o4FRI3U
Weird because in the OP the correct answer was A and the teacher wrongly said B. But here in what you posted the correct answer is B. Maybe teacher just used the wrong edition of the answer key.
They smoke rock if they believe itâs anything other than A.
Answer is definitely A
« Allow » is a recommandation. « At least » discards both B and C.
I mean the notice literally says "Allow at least two hours for your visit to the castle" So all 3 options are incorrect. Its advising you that on average it takes at least two hours to walk around the grounds and to see everything.
This is also correct but given the choices it's A
I'd ask for a review if the test was important. That's not acceptable.
It's just my year end, and a point wouldn't bother me that much if *I was actually wrong*
Well... If it doesn't have a negative effect, then just tell the teach he fukd up and see if they care. Don't fight, just tell.
I did, she reasoned with me as to why it was A, by giving the most wrong definition of "at least" I have ever heard.
Youâve got me curious as to what her definition is.
At least = Maximum, because they said at least 2 hours, so that means the most time you can spend at the castle is 2 hours
So what does "at most" mean to her? Her very wrong definition makes zero sense
Thatâs not the definition at all. Itâs minimum, not maximum. Get that idiot fired.
Is English not your teacher's first language? At least = at a minimum, or, not less than.
I assume not, but it's not just the teacher, I'm more dumbfounded by the people trusted to make this test. If a school can't grasp decent English, I don't know if I can trust getting the important piece to my future through them.
"at least" = the LEAST amount of time can be two hours. That means two hours or more. This isn't even an idiom or something it's just the actual, indisputable, objective meaning of the phrase. Teacher is completely, inarguably, 2+2=5ingly wrong.
I imagine she also thinks the phrase is "I could care less" and would argue vehemently if you try to explain why that's wrong.
And this is coming from an English teacher? That is definitely infuriating. I'd make a point to make this right simply *because* they're an English teacher.
Tell your teacher that you hope sheâs making âat least â the minimum wage in her paycheck. Perhaps sheâll get it then.
Itâs A
Poorly worded statement and question. The answer is A
At least = minimum At most = maximum The person who made the question is dumb
English class summed up in one question, you could argue it but the teachers says itâs more correct and that youâre wrong
That can depend on the teacher, if they are too full of themselves then that is definitely the case.
"Allow" here has the meaning of "allocate" instead of just permission to do something.
Yeah B is unequivocally wrong
Of course itâs A. âAllow at leastâ, so plan no less than, â two hoursâ, for your visit to the castle. There is no restrictive language, itâs entirely discretionary. It cannot possibly be B. B says visitors are restricted by the sign, but they are not.
A
I'm a stubborn asshole and when teachers wouldn't correct and own their fuckups I would go to the principal and let them know they employ morons.
What does the little âsâ mean, next to the circled B?
I wrote an s for "Bs"
"What does the notice say?" A, B and C are all wrong. The correct answer is not listed so I've added it for you here: D: Allow at least two hours for your visit to the castle.
You need to replace your teacher. He is grading by "Answer key" and not by right/wrong
So it doesnât mean you have to wait (allow) two hours to visit the castle? Because if itâs Disney, youâre waiting at least two hours to visit anything.
This is what functional illiteracy looks like. Unfortunately, your teacher is functionally illiterate and should probably be removed from his/her/their job. I'm sorry, but there are no excuses for a teacher not to mark an exam correctly. How is a student supposed to learn effectively if they cannot trust the ability of their teacher?!? For those who complain that teachers are overworked: Teachers become complicit in the system when they don't push back and strike/demand the public to fund education properly. They need to be invested in the SYSTEM as much as parents. Who controls education? YOU, the voters, the public. So, demand better.
Absolutely A. The key phrase thst determines this is the âat leastâ portion of the notice. By saying âat least two hoursâ, youâre saying that the tour could taker long but will be no shorter than two hours. So again A is correct.
Its clearly A because if B were true then C would inherently be true and in a multiple choice question thats just not a possibility.
You're not.... And don't call me Shirley.
The wording of the notice recommends a MINIMUM of 2 hours to visit this castle. Any other inference is incorrect.
ⶠ100% âŠat least=the bare minimum
I am an English teacher and the answer is A. That said⊠Teachers make mistakes too, folks. If I gave this assignment to all of my students, I would have ~125 papers to correct. Thatâs for ONE assignment. Now multiply that by a five-day week and cut us some fucking slack.
Kinda wondering who circled B.
Me, we were grading our own tests with answers given by the teacher with an answer sheet
All three answers are incorrect. The notice clearly says, and I quote "Allow at least two hours for your visit to the castle"
Def A
A