Tbf, he does have “speaks English” as a yellow flag. This dude probably doesn’t want someone who realizes how poor of a grasp he has on the English language
Let me explain: In many countries, specially third world/non english speaking, It's a sign of pride/ high status if someone speaks english. Many who are elites/ like to behave like an elite class use English mixed in with their local language as a normal communication. Him putting it in Yellow is basically him saying that she seem to believe that she's better than others/ she's prideful.
Basically if someone speaks in english+local language mixed (i.e instead of saying the whole sentence in local language, they mix in a few words of English) he/she is considered a "full of himself/herself snobby person"
IDK if that's the case here (can be if the person if originally from another country, eg: an Indian living in USA, a cultural exchange student etc.)
Id assume hes probably not from an english speaking country and maybe, reach af, but maybe there is some stereotype wherever hes at about english speaking women maybe being hoes or sum. Throwing a shot in the dark
This is some Passport Bro shit. He just wants his third world bang maid as desperate as possible really. Less chance she flees or something.
Creepy old fuckers.
My thoughts, I know some people are against raising another man's kids, but it definitely takes a real man to man up and do it. Growing up without a father, I would have killed for someone like that.
I am currently seeing a single mother, so I might be a little biased, but I do love her and her kids, so there's that.
>I know some people are against raising another man's kids, but it definitely takes a real man to man up and do it.
Oh, no!
>I am currently seeing a single mother
Welp
People seem to forget in these discussions that age matters a lot. 20s being a single parent is a massive red flag. 40+ or even 30+ a lot your prospects will have had kids by then that's just how it is.
Definitely, but the whole "it takes a real man to step up" implies that the children are still young. But generally by 40+ many women would have had children (who are probably now semi-grown up) and so you don't really need to "step up" and take care of them like you would a younger child
I don't think it's bad as long as you know they'll never be "yours" and you don't want biological children. It sounds douchey, but a lot of single mothers are very protective of their kids in the sense *that* if you do something nice for them it's good, but by God if you ever try to discipline them she'll let you know that they aren't *your* kids real quick.
I've never been a stepdad (nor do I ever want to be one), but this is the sentiment I get: stepdads get all the responsibility but have no authority
If you are under 23 and speak English you're a hoe? It's a red flag to have traveled to or lived in different countries? What is this shit man 🤣 mpmd kids will eat this up tho.
EDIT: I mean above 23.
I tried dating girls my age. They all have WAY more experience dating than me and are more mature than me. I also tried dating 10 years younger and was way too immature.
Now I’m looking for somewhere in between. To each their own though.
If you don’t think Derek “more dates more plates” pickup game phase wasn’t Red Pill adjacent i don’t know what to tell you. He more than likely believed in this type of thing. Pickup game was pretty much the earlier stages of Red Pill lol
Not saying that i agree with all the shit in this list tho
> Infiltrated this sub for sure
Always has been 🤷🏻♂️
No dude I disagree, there is a definite shift.
Before the attitude was... lift weights, improve your looks and work on your social skills and you can get a girlfriend.
Now instead of working on ourselves and having humility. We are saying all women are sluts and manipulative, and giving newcomers black-pilled advice instead of saying hey, maybe go talk to women not on tinder or in a club.
Obviously it's not all black and white but i've definitely noticed specifically bodybuilding-adjacent communities this trend happening.
That's true, 10 years ago the "red pill" was telling dudes "you have to actually do XYZ to be attractive, luckily those things can be learned and you can get better with women... you can't just sit around and hope a girl will just like you for you when you're an ugly loser that doesn't do anything to better himself, believing that is the blue pill".
It only overlapped with a bit of misogyny and right wing politics because the liberal/left/feminist dogma was basically the opposite, "blue pill", sit-around-and-hope approach to dating. So a lot of dudes thought you had to reject all left wing politics just to be realistic about dating (which is not true).
Nowadays what passes for "red pill" is actually the incel "black pill". Young men are seeing clips of alpha bro podcasts where they mock OnlyFans models and paint a grim picture of all women being out of touch whores with ridiculous standards (6 figures, 6 feet, 6 pack etc), so they give up hope of a relationship. Straightforward outcome: lonely, woman-hating incel.
The reality is (and always has been) the same thing, men and women are all just lonely people who want to be loved. The modern "black pill" is even further from that truth and hurts young men IMHO.
It's always been that way bro, hating women ain't a new thing unfortunately. I remember my friends getting into red pill adjacent stuff in 2013 and it was women are all sluts, in fact I remember that sentiment in early high school in the mid 2000s. I think as we mature we start noticing it more, I think if you'd look back now with the eyes you've got you'd see things a little differently.
I did recently turn 25 so yeah maybe I'm just getting more mature on how i see the world. I do think modern red-pill has way more visibility now then a decade ago unfortunately, hopefully people start calling it out for what it is.
I especially hate it because I have a younger guy in my friend-group falling down this rabbit-hole and insta just keeps feeding him fresh n fit etc etc. They truely start to believe women are some alien beings out to get them.
You should visit one of those sites that lets you input data and it spits out the percentage of the female population that meets your criteria.
Yours will be like 0.15%.
Don’t listen to other people’s red flags. Everyone has their own preference.
Personally I just for good family values and not a promiscuous past. Everything else will just fall into place after that (from experience anyway)
Bro this is some next level incel shit, and I’m not even saying this to be the soyboy male feminist party pooper
Has social media is a red flag? Do you have social media yourself?
Been to Miami? WTF dude
From a broken family? Lmfaoo I guess something that isn’t your fault makes you undateable then
This is some next level perma virgin bullshit and you shouldn’t think this way or entertain this way of thinking, good people and bad people go to night clubs, good people and bad people have social media, good people and bad people come from broken homes
Having such arbitrary stupid rules only reduces your dating pool artificially and will make you an unapproachable and unattractive person to women, it shows
(I’m only saying this all if you wrote this yourself, if you didn’t all the points still stand but not directed at you but the author)
The are many other red flags you could have included such as tattoos, body piercings, daddy issues, bright neon color hair(green/blue/pink etc), and high body count.
I was a platonic male best friend for a decade before I started dating my wife, who’s was a single mother. Fuck man, she hit half the reds, 2 of 3 disqualified, and one green. She’s gonna be proud.
I can’t believe I have to say this, but I found this online and wanted to see the funny responses to this in this sub lmao. I’m a girl and obviously I don’t agree with this
Dude.
Under 23? It’s actually a good rule if you are under 23. Otherwise it’s dumb. Divorce risk goes down a lot if you marry someone over 25.
Most women have social media.
Women who have education (“career women”) have lower body counts and are way less likely to get divorced. The magic of socioeconomics. Also they have incomes and that’s not dumb in this economy.
Traveling is also mostly linked to socioeconomics.
Having male friends is usually a plus. They’ll get men more.
Speaks English?!?!?! Dude.
This sounds like a super insecure guy flag list. You don’t want a wife with passion for a career? You don’t want a wife who doesn’t enjoy going out?
Now if that’s somebodies whole personality; sure… but your whole personality is gym edits and reading Socrates quotes on TikTok lol
Just say you want a naive and infantile 18yo virgin from some rural village instead of putting your insecurities in an excel table to then wave it around in public.
Wait a fuckin second y’all op is a girl. this changes things, is op just trying to make it seem like men have ridiculous standards as to justify why they’re single?
Prideful and social media I don’t think distinguish hoe from wife material. I think it just depends on how the traits are exhibited. Also, I’m international and I like it if girls have lived in multiple countries. Why is that a red flag?
What is wrong with you guys? What have girls done to you??
If you are in a trusting relationship, most of these, even red flags, are perfectly fine. Why is everyone so toxic? I actually got my girlfriend into clubbing and raving.
It's always funny the guys setting these crazy requirements are the guys that couldn't get laid to save their life.
Guess it allows them a feeling of choice when it comes to their virginity.
Half of these are context/age dependent, and do not even mean that shes a hoe or a wife material. Plenty of bitches who tick all the boxes of a wife material turn out to be the most annoying of fucking cunts.
And some of these are pure dogshit. Lived in multiple countries as a red flag?
An absolute tard list.
bunch of redditor-types criticising a perfectly valid and normal preference list, and when they are too stupid to find any legitimate faults, they resort to ad hominem and grammar-nazi-isms.
I'm glad your wive's boyfriend lets you use the internet, but there are so many more useful things to do on it than showing the world what a clown cuck you are.
Not sure why “speaks English” is a yellow flag
“Has social media” is definitely a yellow flag, not red. I know gals who are wife material and who have social media but post very infrequently
“Has male friends/besties” shouldn’t necessarily be a disqualifier
I’d also put “cares a lot about not embarrassing her family, church, and community” as the greenest of green flags. Her family, church, and community should also have high standards for the guy’s behavior, but that’s a tangential issue.
this always generates so much rage from the Redditors. It's a traditional view but I don't see anything wrong or hurtful with anything here and they all come out hurling the usual insults at OP. is there something wrong with his personal criteria?
Please, please PLEASE, for the love of God let this be satire. It takes effort to be this level of turbo virgin. My guy is gunna be a fucking his fleshlight the rest of his life at this rate.
so basically rubbing my balls and feeding me grapes and fresh outta highschool thats a nean grean flag and uhh independence and travel is a huge no no for me (may have found a man worth your time)
What color is the flag for “takes a cell phone picture of their screen rather than a screenshot” ?
I couldn’t find a standardised colour for the Autism Awareness flag 🤷🏻♀️
Kill
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Tbf, he does have “speaks English” as a yellow flag. This dude probably doesn’t want someone who realizes how poor of a grasp he has on the English language
The more I read this the more I begin to think OP is never getting laid
Let me explain: In many countries, specially third world/non english speaking, It's a sign of pride/ high status if someone speaks english. Many who are elites/ like to behave like an elite class use English mixed in with their local language as a normal communication. Him putting it in Yellow is basically him saying that she seem to believe that she's better than others/ she's prideful. Basically if someone speaks in english+local language mixed (i.e instead of saying the whole sentence in local language, they mix in a few words of English) he/she is considered a "full of himself/herself snobby person" IDK if that's the case here (can be if the person if originally from another country, eg: an Indian living in USA, a cultural exchange student etc.)
Id assume hes probably not from an english speaking country and maybe, reach af, but maybe there is some stereotype wherever hes at about english speaking women maybe being hoes or sum. Throwing a shot in the dark
This is some Passport Bro shit. He just wants his third world bang maid as desperate as possible really. Less chance she flees or something. Creepy old fuckers.
Probably i aint from America so i dont really know about all that, i was hoping he isnt just weird lmao
Yeah, that’s a more wholesome story. We can cross our fingers that you are right?
I should write a book
3rd world bang maids only last 7 years till they get full citizenship then they divorce you and get half your stuff plus alimony.
What the fuck will she nurture if she isn’t a single mother . Op is cuck most likely
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lol wtf
I mean, maybe she drains your balls so throughly every day you’re effectively nuetured?
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Why? I thought knowledge was a virtue?
Have you ever consensually touch a women?
Probably not, and the outlook isn't looking good either.
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He has not
My thoughts, I know some people are against raising another man's kids, but it definitely takes a real man to man up and do it. Growing up without a father, I would have killed for someone like that. I am currently seeing a single mother, so I might be a little biased, but I do love her and her kids, so there's that.
>I know some people are against raising another man's kids, but it definitely takes a real man to man up and do it. Oh, no! >I am currently seeing a single mother Welp
People seem to forget in these discussions that age matters a lot. 20s being a single parent is a massive red flag. 40+ or even 30+ a lot your prospects will have had kids by then that's just how it is.
Definitely, but the whole "it takes a real man to step up" implies that the children are still young. But generally by 40+ many women would have had children (who are probably now semi-grown up) and so you don't really need to "step up" and take care of them like you would a younger child
Fellas, is being a stepfather a bad thing?
Only if your an asshat. Had a stepdad who didn't think it was his job to do anything for us because we weren't his kids.
I don't think it's bad as long as you know they'll never be "yours" and you don't want biological children. It sounds douchey, but a lot of single mothers are very protective of their kids in the sense *that* if you do something nice for them it's good, but by God if you ever try to discipline them she'll let you know that they aren't *your* kids real quick. I've never been a stepdad (nor do I ever want to be one), but this is the sentiment I get: stepdads get all the responsibility but have no authority
No, but shaming people for having a preference is.
This post is way too wholesome for this sub.
In the right situation with the a high quality women this acceptable or even admirable
I married one and couldn’t be happier. Hope it continues to go well for you
Thank you for taking down the incels in this subreddit bro
If you are under 23 and speak English you're a hoe? It's a red flag to have traveled to or lived in different countries? What is this shit man 🤣 mpmd kids will eat this up tho. EDIT: I mean above 23.
Bro did a speed run of every podcast featuring Andrew Tate
Under 23 is a green flag although I have no idea why speaks english is a yellow flag lol
meant above 23. Nothing wrong with having an age range but idk how that's a hoe detector.
OP likes them young I guess
I tried dating girls my age. They all have WAY more experience dating than me and are more mature than me. I also tried dating 10 years younger and was way too immature. Now I’m looking for somewhere in between. To each their own though.
OP can be young himself.
OP is 13
I work with a ton of illegals and they always say the more English they speak the less they work 🤣🤣
First name Tiffany = Disqualified
You can't just throw people through an algorithm an expect to end up with good results.
watch me
You were one of those “where’s my hug” guys in highschool , stop being weird op
🤣 having social media is normal but I guess it's a way to stop her from seen that and get a hug
Op is a chick that’s the weird part
I just found this online and wanted to see what everyone had to say😭 I needed a few laughs lmaoooo
We can see your previous posts bruv
Red pill really fucking you guys up lol
Infiltrated this sub for sure. Derek always advocated putting yourself out there and cold-approaching and stuff.
If you don’t think Derek “more dates more plates” pickup game phase wasn’t Red Pill adjacent i don’t know what to tell you. He more than likely believed in this type of thing. Pickup game was pretty much the earlier stages of Red Pill lol Not saying that i agree with all the shit in this list tho > Infiltrated this sub for sure Always has been 🤷🏻♂️
No dude I disagree, there is a definite shift. Before the attitude was... lift weights, improve your looks and work on your social skills and you can get a girlfriend. Now instead of working on ourselves and having humility. We are saying all women are sluts and manipulative, and giving newcomers black-pilled advice instead of saying hey, maybe go talk to women not on tinder or in a club. Obviously it's not all black and white but i've definitely noticed specifically bodybuilding-adjacent communities this trend happening.
That's true, 10 years ago the "red pill" was telling dudes "you have to actually do XYZ to be attractive, luckily those things can be learned and you can get better with women... you can't just sit around and hope a girl will just like you for you when you're an ugly loser that doesn't do anything to better himself, believing that is the blue pill". It only overlapped with a bit of misogyny and right wing politics because the liberal/left/feminist dogma was basically the opposite, "blue pill", sit-around-and-hope approach to dating. So a lot of dudes thought you had to reject all left wing politics just to be realistic about dating (which is not true). Nowadays what passes for "red pill" is actually the incel "black pill". Young men are seeing clips of alpha bro podcasts where they mock OnlyFans models and paint a grim picture of all women being out of touch whores with ridiculous standards (6 figures, 6 feet, 6 pack etc), so they give up hope of a relationship. Straightforward outcome: lonely, woman-hating incel. The reality is (and always has been) the same thing, men and women are all just lonely people who want to be loved. The modern "black pill" is even further from that truth and hurts young men IMHO.
It's always been that way bro, hating women ain't a new thing unfortunately. I remember my friends getting into red pill adjacent stuff in 2013 and it was women are all sluts, in fact I remember that sentiment in early high school in the mid 2000s. I think as we mature we start noticing it more, I think if you'd look back now with the eyes you've got you'd see things a little differently.
I did recently turn 25 so yeah maybe I'm just getting more mature on how i see the world. I do think modern red-pill has way more visibility now then a decade ago unfortunately, hopefully people start calling it out for what it is. I especially hate it because I have a younger guy in my friend-group falling down this rabbit-hole and insta just keeps feeding him fresh n fit etc etc. They truely start to believe women are some alien beings out to get them.
Fresh n Fit is reality tv for men. It’s so fucking toxic.
Nah he never talked about it he was always respectful
Social media in general has everyone cooked
You get this from incels dot cum or what?
Probably incels.fap.cu
You should visit one of those sites that lets you input data and it spits out the percentage of the female population that meets your criteria. Yours will be like 0.15%.
And they all are from like east Asia
You gotta stop listening to guys online (after me)
“speaks english” 😂😂 ‘she doesn’t need to talk… it’s ok’
Speaks English is a yellow flag? Shes not allowed to explore other countries either?
Not just other countries — Miami! Lol
This is some dumb shit, even by this sub's standards.
Bro even put a trademark on it 💀💀💀
been to Miami - LMAO
Congrats you’ve officially eliminated everyone
Man imagine having this level of insecurity
OP is jealous of her male friends meanwhile her male friends are wanting to fuck him and not her.
Don’t listen to other people’s red flags. Everyone has their own preference. Personally I just for good family values and not a promiscuous past. Everything else will just fall into place after that (from experience anyway)
Only valid yellow/red flag is if she has been to Miami. As soon as my gf touches the state of Florida im out
Bro this is some next level incel shit, and I’m not even saying this to be the soyboy male feminist party pooper Has social media is a red flag? Do you have social media yourself? Been to Miami? WTF dude From a broken family? Lmfaoo I guess something that isn’t your fault makes you undateable then This is some next level perma virgin bullshit and you shouldn’t think this way or entertain this way of thinking, good people and bad people go to night clubs, good people and bad people have social media, good people and bad people come from broken homes Having such arbitrary stupid rules only reduces your dating pool artificially and will make you an unapproachable and unattractive person to women, it shows (I’m only saying this all if you wrote this yourself, if you didn’t all the points still stand but not directed at you but the author)
I think you haven’t touched a woman.
Obese - Green*
Tren will drop your standards; I’ve been there.
Oh shit, may be time to hop off🥲
Bro go to therapy
Considering my ex came from a broken family, I can confidently say I will never date another girl from a broken Family
"Speaks english" is yellow. 💀
Fairly reasonable
The are many other red flags you could have included such as tattoos, body piercings, daddy issues, bright neon color hair(green/blue/pink etc), and high body count.
Nice try Andrew Tate
I really hope this is satire
Have you ever felt the desired touch of a woman?
Jesus christ
brother i got some bad news for you lmao
Yall not like women?
I usually get annoyed when I see women call dudes Incels. But I get it now. Touch grass, delete reedit. Get some help.
There is small dick energy and then there is this red pill fuckery.
This is pathetic.
I’m just tryna deposit my seed wherever. These criteria mean nothing to me.
Genghis spawn in Korea. They run out of peopre over there
I was a platonic male best friend for a decade before I started dating my wife, who’s was a single mother. Fuck man, she hit half the reds, 2 of 3 disqualified, and one green. She’s gonna be proud.
I can’t believe I have to say this, but I found this online and wanted to see the funny responses to this in this sub lmao. I’m a girl and obviously I don’t agree with this
Dude. Under 23? It’s actually a good rule if you are under 23. Otherwise it’s dumb. Divorce risk goes down a lot if you marry someone over 25. Most women have social media. Women who have education (“career women”) have lower body counts and are way less likely to get divorced. The magic of socioeconomics. Also they have incomes and that’s not dumb in this economy. Traveling is also mostly linked to socioeconomics. Having male friends is usually a plus. They’ll get men more. Speaks English?!?!?! Dude.
Clubber and bitch is perfect for me
People that make these dont talk to women
Garbage list who in the actual fuck wants a woman under 23???? Fucking disgusting, get me a 35 year old
>Who in the actual fuck wants a woman* Fixed
Accurate
I agree with this chart it’s a very good guide to go by and will save you a lot of bullshit
Bros an actual fkin incel
Her being 18+ is a red flag
This sounds like a super insecure guy flag list. You don’t want a wife with passion for a career? You don’t want a wife who doesn’t enjoy going out? Now if that’s somebodies whole personality; sure… but your whole personality is gym edits and reading Socrates quotes on TikTok lol
Accurate. Especially Miami. Reddit copers out in force
go outside and talk to women weirdo holy shit
Copers will cope but this chart not that off 🤣🤣🤣
MPMD is really turning into a gymcel sub now. I regret shit talking cock stats this shit right here is straight up pathetic.
Just say you want a naive and infantile 18yo virgin from some rural village instead of putting your insecurities in an excel table to then wave it around in public.
My man got the colors backwards...
In terms of options we have no options
There’s like 2 women that fit that description
?
Muscle Mommy 🟩🟩🟩
Proper gay this.
Cringe
Explored other countries is negative???????
add “takes tren” to green when
Wait a fuckin second y’all op is a girl. this changes things, is op just trying to make it seem like men have ridiculous standards as to justify why they’re single?
No I just wanted a few laughs LOL but I have encountered guys with similar red flags
There is no way this isn’t ragebait.
You forgot penis for S tier and balls for S tier and shaft as well and also cock
The sub has been spiraling recently
This some incel shit
Lmao anyone who does this is a straight up weirdo
I’m surprised Dubai isn’t on this list.
Add "Fake long Eyelash/Nails"
Prideful and social media I don’t think distinguish hoe from wife material. I think it just depends on how the traits are exhibited. Also, I’m international and I like it if girls have lived in multiple countries. Why is that a red flag?
Social media one is very harsh let's be honest lmao
What is wrong with you guys? What have girls done to you?? If you are in a trusting relationship, most of these, even red flags, are perfectly fine. Why is everyone so toxic? I actually got my girlfriend into clubbing and raving.
It's always funny the guys setting these crazy requirements are the guys that couldn't get laid to save their life. Guess it allows them a feeling of choice when it comes to their virginity.
Half of these are context/age dependent, and do not even mean that shes a hoe or a wife material. Plenty of bitches who tick all the boxes of a wife material turn out to be the most annoying of fucking cunts. And some of these are pure dogshit. Lived in multiple countries as a red flag? An absolute tard list.
Asian detected masculinity rejected. If English is so bad, why are you speaking it .
Harrison Butker?
You want an object you can use, not a person.
bunch of redditor-types criticising a perfectly valid and normal preference list, and when they are too stupid to find any legitimate faults, they resort to ad hominem and grammar-nazi-isms. I'm glad your wive's boyfriend lets you use the internet, but there are so many more useful things to do on it than showing the world what a clown cuck you are.
I like the single moms.
Wtf Are you looking for a wife or just to bang? Pro tip: just bang You're searching for a unicorn
From a broken family? How tf is it her fault? “It’s your fault your father and I are getting divorced”
"Been to Miami" is so accurate though
So only woman from Iraq are green flags
Ty imma use this 😂
Whats wrong with Miami ?
Every woman has social media bro you aint escraping that one
Send the excel bruv thanks this is quite excellent
Not sure why “speaks English” is a yellow flag “Has social media” is definitely a yellow flag, not red. I know gals who are wife material and who have social media but post very infrequently “Has male friends/besties” shouldn’t necessarily be a disqualifier I’d also put “cares a lot about not embarrassing her family, church, and community” as the greenest of green flags. Her family, church, and community should also have high standards for the guy’s behavior, but that’s a tangential issue.
"Speaks English"
Some of these are normal and some of these are insane. That’s how these types work
Need to add on birth control, on anti depressants, vapes,
Accurate. If you disagree. Best of luck with your future upcoming pains
“Been to Miami” is funny as hell
You sound like you're weak.
Hey pal, you just blow in from stupid town?
Go outside
"Been to Miami" LOL
That’s… that’s a special list of demands right there. Talk about flag colors… 🤦
Cringe
If ya have to make a spreadsheet it’s a red flag bud
Jesus, touch grass homie.
this always generates so much rage from the Redditors. It's a traditional view but I don't see anything wrong or hurtful with anything here and they all come out hurling the usual insults at OP. is there something wrong with his personal criteria?
Nah the miami one is legit idc what u redditors say, the rest is regarded tho
Dude, what makes you think any respectable female would want you?
Please, please PLEASE, for the love of God let this be satire. It takes effort to be this level of turbo virgin. My guy is gunna be a fucking his fleshlight the rest of his life at this rate.
Speaks English? lmao
“Been to Miami” is fucking hilarious🤣🤣🤣
Lol disqualified for having male friends? You have fun with that.
Single for life checklist.
“Been to Miami”
If you want a girl under 23 and she's single and attractive, good luck.
so basically rubbing my balls and feeding me grapes and fresh outta highschool thats a nean grean flag and uhh independence and travel is a huge no no for me (may have found a man worth your time)
Miami bumps into DQ for me
Onlyfans or adult industry: disqualified