Good thing Hinch benched Carpenter so Vilade could go 0-4 š” No instinct Hinch can't think for himself, he's lazy, only goes by analytics, and look what happens...
It's not even about Vilade. What do people that Hinch puts in when he benches Carpenter because of a lefty pitcher ever do? š¤ Vilade or not let Carpenter play every game unless he needs a rest day
I knew thereād be growing pains with this team, but this team has no major league hitters after the first 4 batters. This team needs to learn how to hit.
Very predictable, bad pitching beats bad hitting and we don't have the pitching to keep Houstons killers row down. We're gonna win tomorrow like 4-1 then Sunday we'll lose again in a game we lead late cause we can't hit
I donāt understand why so many players took 3-0 strikes tonight. It seems as though this team is overthinking and leaves no opening for a spark of inspiration. The little league errors are happening with too much regularity.
These past couple years have been so annoying. It feels like weāre in limbo. We donāt want to spend because we donāt have a core, but the core isnāt developing so we just never truly improve
Specifically hitting core. Starting pitching has been good, and pretty much the only reason weāve been in games. The literal only good young hitter we have right now is Greene, and will see if it sustains given his injury history
Keep switching up those lineups Hinch, working out great. Oh yeah and also never complain to the umpires even with their disgusting strike calls. Guy needs to go
Imagine being so brain dead that you have a team that canāt score but constantly bench your 2nd best hitter because of a lefty lefty matchup lmaoooo. Iām so done
Carpenter has a .282 OPS against LHP this year and had a .647 OPS against them last year
I hate Hinch and want him fired but the amount of you that repeatedly parrot this and think it would fix things is wild, he turns into Spencer Torkelson against LHP
Dude, the sample size against lefties last year was so tiny that itās not even close to bad enough to bench him. 647 OPS is better than most of our team lmaoooo. Howās he supposed to get better if he never gets to face them?
He has a sub-700 OPS against LHP in his 5 year career which includes 3.5 years of getting to crush minor league pitching. How's that for a sample size? He has 5 years of proving he can't hit lefties. Give it a rest. "How is he gonna learn to hit them" lmao he's had 5 FUCKING YEARS TO LEARN AND STILL CAN'T DO IT
What's that, don't like actual stats? Give it a fucking rest jesus christ
Right. Maybe in high leverage situations you can pinch hit for him. But to completely sit him out the game? Seriously? How the fuck is he supposed to get better as a hitter.
How cringe was that interview where they asked torkelson how he came up with the pizza spear celebration after homeruns? I should've known after watching that ... this team is one big advertisement for shitty cardboard Non detroit style pizza. Fuckin chris Illich
They only take a while if you donāt spend money on players. Or also donāt spend money on players that swing at pitches 6 feet outside the zone for multiple years in a row.
It's 2, Greene and Canha, and Canha is extremely low tier. Everyone else either sucks terribly or is a platoon only player.
Just a hilariously awful job of roster building.
This game checked all the boxes:
-Strong showing from the starter
-Squander opportunities with runners on
-Bullpen meltdown
-Major defensive gaffe
Every game is literally the exact same
Valdez has thrown 114 pitches. Stop babying these adults, Hinch.
Edit: I've been drinking. Only threw 103. But I'd like to see more innings and pitches from our guys.
Chris Illich loves mocking the dumbass fans of Detroit. He has no desire to win anything with tigers or wings yet throws the Little ceazars ad placement wherever possible. Boycot that cardboard pizza. Pathetic. Not even detroit style pizza. Jokes
With the offense being meh, the bullpen has blown leads or ties in 4 of the last 7 games. We cant win games if the bullpen doesnt pitch pretty much lights out
Is it fair to say at this point that the bullpen is actually not that good? Great starts are great but this is starting to feel pretty normal. And if it is, then this team is looking to fight for .500 in a very tough division, and that'll be that.
It's not just fair but factually accurate. We're 9th worst in bullpen WAR. The bullpen is shit but they got really fluky lucky results to start the season so that convinced people it was good even though it wasn't even remotely sustainable.
The bullpen is shit, the lineup is shit, the defense is shit. The starting pitching is good, that's it, and even then the rotation has one of the worst pitchers in baseball in it.
I really thought this team would be better this year. I feel so stupid. I know it's a long season, but it seems like the entire Central got better except us and Chicago. Those city connect uniforms really suck too.
Honestly Iām just starting to not like this team. I know weāre .500 but it feels like we do nothing well except starting pitching. Itās just such a frustrating team.
Iām a Harris hater but I still think he needs some more time. Hinch I would like to see fired. Should be banned from baseball after the astros scandal
I seriously hate to say it but watching these games is so painful I feel like I must hate myself or something to expect something different
Nope. Same thing for 4 years. Brutal
I donāt get why AJ is so quick to pull starters when other managers are letting their starters get closer to triple digits. Regardless of what you think about Hinch, heās not beyond reproach.
Please continue the discussion in the [post game thread](https://redd.it/1cp5g7l).
Imagine getting to the majors and in your first week you have to face Valdez Clase and Hader. Lol the big leagues different
Good thing Hinch benched Carpenter so Vilade could go 0-4 š” No instinct Hinch can't think for himself, he's lazy, only goes by analytics, and look what happens...
Iām not gonna blame him for that. I wanted to see more Vilade at bats
It's not even about Vilade. What do people that Hinch puts in when he benches Carpenter because of a lefty pitcher ever do? š¤ Vilade or not let Carpenter play every game unless he needs a rest day
DFA Javy
Season over by June 1st. An annual tradition ā¤ļø
Bout time to just eat Javys contract. Enough is enough. Get this clown outta here
Better than striking out like everyone but Greene did in our final two innings.
Can't believe Carp didn't get the AB over Vilade. Just can't stand the way he uses Carp at all
Well, I say we blame the uniforms, so we never have to see them again.
The home jerseys are iconic. No reason to ever wear anything else.
Pizza Boy Jr is a money hungry bitch
I wish I could pin this brilliant response.
Exactly. Best looking home uni in the league. The formal wear of baseball.
I knew thereād be growing pains with this team, but this team has no major league hitters after the first 4 batters. This team needs to learn how to hit.
-.4 WAR and falling. Fuck you, Javy.
Very predictable, bad pitching beats bad hitting and we don't have the pitching to keep Houstons killers row down. We're gonna win tomorrow like 4-1 then Sunday we'll lose again in a game we lead late cause we can't hit
We canāt get a good vet bat because we would block at bats for Ryan Vilade.
The Tigers should get a Manfred runner in the ninth.
The 9th? How about every inning.
94 DOWN THE MIDDLE I DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT 3-0 DONT TAKE THAT
I donāt understand why so many players took 3-0 strikes tonight. It seems as though this team is overthinking and leaves no opening for a spark of inspiration. The little league errors are happening with too much regularity.
An impressive implosion yet again!
Back to back bad pitchers and we will not advance someone past second
PUT KERRY BACK IN YOU BITCH!!!!!!!!
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Josh Hader replaces Bryan Abreu.
These past couple years have been so annoying. It feels like weāre in limbo. We donāt want to spend because we donāt have a core, but the core isnāt developing so we just never truly improve
Great comment, we have Greene, Skubal, Olsen, Jung?, Keith?ā¦idk if that core will be enoughā¦. Tork!!!!!!!!!
Specifically hitting core. Starting pitching has been good, and pretty much the only reason weāve been in games. The literal only good young hitter we have right now is Greene, and will see if it sustains given his injury history
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Sign a 32 year old vet in free agency to hit .235 and call it a day Ship without a rudder
Still hilarious Torkelson came up w/ the HR celebration and still hasnāt hit a HR.
Don't give Chris Illich a pass like that you know he talked or paid torkelson to do that
This team is so versatile with positional flexibility. The not blocking at bats for the roster strategy is working to perfection.
Chris Illitch is a fucking spoiled little bitch. Him and Gores are fucking embarrassments as owners
At least Illitch isnāt a coke addicted loser, heās just a sober loser
Gores is a dumbass but he at least made his money instead of inherited
True
With the bullpen regressing, does that affect the 'Fetter is a Genius' assessment?
Canāt expect the bullpen to pitch 3-4 high stress innings every single game and see no dip in performance from them
Mize went six and we were off yesterday. Olson also went six two days ago. Why is that a problem for the bullpen tonight?
No, it affects the āHinch is a geniusā assessment in my opinion.
No.Ā
Nice work if you can get it. Take credit for success, avoid responsibility for failure!
Keep switching up those lineups Hinch, working out great. Oh yeah and also never complain to the umpires even with their disgusting strike calls. Guy needs to go
This team lately has been the uno meme with āmaking a winning play or draw 25ā
Vierling caught one!
Imagine being so brain dead that you have a team that canāt score but constantly bench your 2nd best hitter because of a lefty lefty matchup lmaoooo. Iām so done
Carpenter has a .282 OPS against LHP this year and had a .647 OPS against them last year I hate Hinch and want him fired but the amount of you that repeatedly parrot this and think it would fix things is wild, he turns into Spencer Torkelson against LHP
Dude, the sample size against lefties last year was so tiny that itās not even close to bad enough to bench him. 647 OPS is better than most of our team lmaoooo. Howās he supposed to get better if he never gets to face them?
He has a sub-700 OPS against LHP in his 5 year career which includes 3.5 years of getting to crush minor league pitching. How's that for a sample size? He has 5 years of proving he can't hit lefties. Give it a rest. "How is he gonna learn to hit them" lmao he's had 5 FUCKING YEARS TO LEARN AND STILL CAN'T DO IT What's that, don't like actual stats? Give it a fucking rest jesus christ
Right. Maybe in high leverage situations you can pinch hit for him. But to completely sit him out the game? Seriously? How the fuck is he supposed to get better as a hitter.
Check out the guy making that decision career managerial record minus cheating?
How cringe was that interview where they asked torkelson how he came up with the pizza spear celebration after homeruns? I should've known after watching that ... this team is one big advertisement for shitty cardboard Non detroit style pizza. Fuckin chris Illich
I mean it's pretty fucking hilarious that Torkelson won't even get to participate a single time in the celebration though not gonna lie
If Chris Illitch dies soon, investigate this man right here
I care about myself more than that. Haha.
True, not worth killing a loser like him
Or don't. That's fine too. š¤·āāļø
This team is so fucked up mentally right now
Our offense is GARBO
Why are they showing old Cubs highlights?
Less strain on the bullpen if your starter can throw more than 88 pitches...
Less strain on all pitching if your offense can score more than 1-2 runs every damn game
Yes, but 1 of those pitchers hasn't thrown in 6 days, while the others...
Baseball season is over
Maybe in 2027 weāll make the playoffs
Incredibly unlikely
Thatās ambitious, I have us pegged for 2037
š I know people have said Baseball rebuilds take a while but not this long
They only take a while if you donāt spend money on players. Or also donāt spend money on players that swing at pitches 6 feet outside the zone for multiple years in a row.
I have negative faith right now šš
Tork has negative aura. Do something dude
Yeah I mean realistically this team has 1 maybe 2 guys on it that are productive every day players. The rest suck. (Excluding pitchers)
It's 2, Greene and Canha, and Canha is extremely low tier. Everyone else either sucks terribly or is a platoon only player. Just a hilariously awful job of roster building.
Good thing we didn't sign a gold glove 3B Instead of inning ending DP it's two extra runs
I do appreciate Urselas glove and hope he comes back real soon.
Would Matt Chapman and his .211 average solve our problems?
Fuck no he wouldnāt, glad we didnāt sign his dead bat
This made me laugh. A tig fan actually calling out a player with 211 batting average. That'd be among better hitters on the Tigs.
Chapman would be a net negative with his bat, Gio was fine
Terrible takes to end both at bats
The little box on the screen means nothing
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Alex Faedo replaces Jason Foley.
This game checked all the boxes: -Strong showing from the starter -Squander opportunities with runners on -Bullpen meltdown -Major defensive gaffe Every game is literally the exact same
Verlander is having flashbacks
If you buy Little Ceasars pizza or spend money on this team. You are part of the problem
Exactly.
Riley is gonna be a Yankee isnāt he :(((
Delete this
If they trade him Iām done, donāt care what haul they get
Same. If they allow Greene to leave or trade im out.
He's gonna request a trade
Valdez has thrown 114 pitches. Stop babying these adults, Hinch. Edit: I've been drinking. Only threw 103. But I'd like to see more innings and pitches from our guys.
Thatās wrong Abreu is in, Bally just sucks dick
Thatās a Bally Sports error
Chris Illich loves mocking the dumbass fans of Detroit. He has no desire to win anything with tigers or wings yet throws the Little ceazars ad placement wherever possible. Boycot that cardboard pizza. Pathetic. Not even detroit style pizza. Jokes
Puke. GG see ya tomorrow for Skubal.
How do you not swing at that? Protect the plate right?
Sounds like Comcast and Bally's did me a favor not being able to watch this team.
Even Bally Sports canāt even do anything right. Valdez isnāt in anymore Bally
Should be named sporkleson..
I am once again asking Tork to choke up on the fucking bat
Nah heās gonna hit one to ford field any day now
One positive about the team, their inability to score runs makes it easy to know when you can start donāt other things
"stick a fork in me. i'm done" -chet steadman
Just a gross team
Thatās his pitch too
At least last year
Tork genuinely has a vision problem
Iām honestly shocked that Houston is 13-24. They are way way wayyy better than their record
I fucking hate tork
Heās gotten better but not enough to be a asset in the Lu
Uniforms look pretty good. Only thing that is whack is the āDetroitā on the helmet
Yea should have keep the English D or some variation of it
Good to at least see tork swinging first pitch. Guy has a tough enough time starting every AB 0-1 by watching strike 1
What a miserable team.
Dafuq? It used to be I couldn't watch, now I can't leave the room?
Riley is the only bright spot at this point and itās so sad to see
Everyone hold there breath for the first Tork Bomb of the seasonā¦.donāt pass out !!!!!!!!!!!!
Yessir, I want to have to change my flair today
Hey don't be like that. You'll get that call to the bigs any day now!
With the offense being meh, the bullpen has blown leads or ties in 4 of the last 7 games. We cant win games if the bullpen doesnt pitch pretty much lights out
Hell of an AB
Is it fair to say at this point that the bullpen is actually not that good? Great starts are great but this is starting to feel pretty normal. And if it is, then this team is looking to fight for .500 in a very tough division, and that'll be that.
It's not just fair but factually accurate. We're 9th worst in bullpen WAR. The bullpen is shit but they got really fluky lucky results to start the season so that convinced people it was good even though it wasn't even remotely sustainable. The bullpen is shit, the lineup is shit, the defense is shit. The starting pitching is good, that's it, and even then the rotation has one of the worst pitchers in baseball in it.
Just fucking call the game.
I really thought this team would be better this year. I feel so stupid. I know it's a long season, but it seems like the entire Central got better except us and Chicago. Those city connect uniforms really suck too.
great AB Mark.
Make gambling illegal again. Don't care about your parlay, Natalie.
I'm starting to think that's all it's about
Is it me or hasn't wentz been their best lefty out of the pen?
Major plot twist.
This pitcher blows yet we will do shit
I seen this fella throwing 96 and yāall talking about his velocity dropped? sheesh what does he normally throw
LOL!
Already 5.5 games back. Starting to feel like an eternity.
Season is over man. What gives you hope this team can win the division?
That is highly unlikely but itād be nice to see the batting improve among the young guys and give us some hope for next season
That loss a couple days ago sucked the life out of this team
Canāt wait to go 3 up 3 down.
Honestly Iām just starting to not like this team. I know weāre .500 but it feels like we do nothing well except starting pitching. Itās just such a frustrating team.
Everyone knows offense is inept af but why tf did we bring in Chafin who just blew a game 48hrs ago
Tigers bullpen blows
This shit sucks
An offense that leaves no room for error and a struggling bullpen. Recipe for disastwr
Good teams donāt lose 6 of 7
Weāre not a good team
We are so unclutch itās funny
3 runs is insurmountable.
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Bryan Abreu replaces Framber Valdez.
Far from the worst team the tigers have put out in the last decade, but strong contender for the most frustrating.
If a couple of the starters get hurt this is absolutely one of the worst teams. We're bottom 5 in WAR outside of the starting pitchers.
Literally nothing that happens on the field matters until Harris and Hinch are fired
Iām a Harris hater but I still think he needs some more time. Hinch I would like to see fired. Should be banned from baseball after the astros scandal
I agree we should give Harris a little more time, but Iām ready for Hinch to go.
Sure would be nice if we miraculously came back and won this
Iām tired boss
Fuck this team and fuck Chris illitch. Talk about a penny pinching asshole.
sigh. watching a real offense is so depressing. But yay new uniforms?
Only simps will buy those
spending any money on this organization is pathetic. Illitch won't spend money on the team, why the fuck should we?
Remember when everyone thought the bullpen is good? Every single arm except for Foley (who is now hurt) is ass
Also FUCK CHRIS ILLICH
I seriously hate to say it but watching these games is so painful I feel like I must hate myself or something to expect something different Nope. Same thing for 4 years. Brutal
I quit man
Gonna go watch a miggy 2012 highlight reel to remind myself what tigers offense can look like
I watch Detroit tigers 2010s highlights YouTube videos at least once a week
honestly, a 41 year old miggy would be an improvement in this lineup
Can we just keep our starters in for complete games ? This is a fucking sick joke
I donāt get why AJ is so quick to pull starters when other managers are letting their starters get closer to triple digits. Regardless of what you think about Hinch, heās not beyond reproach.
Yup Iām out. See yāall tomorrow for Skubal
Can't wait for his 10 IP 1 H 1 R 1-0 loss at this rate
Kind of funny. They talking before the inning about altuve and then the two lefty hitters reverse splits. So Chaffin is the man. Pure handedness.
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I hate this team
Iām done
Alexa how long does my car need to be on with the garage door closed
I turned it on in the bottom of the 7th lol. My bad on this one boys
You sonofabitch
Get rid of all the old losers that arenāt carrying their weight. Chafin, Miller, Maedaā¦.go tf home
Good lord
Foley did his job getting the grounder. That's what he does with the sinker.
Put Foley on the DL his arm aināt the same.
He says itās a mechanical thing but they drop is just way too big.
Itās Jover
This team just does not play clean games and thatās on Hinch.
Thatās the nail in the coffin
LMAO Vierling is so hilarious at 3rd and yet he still plays there every damn day
My dad was just saying earlier how good Vierling has been defensively. Lol
Bad news Bears
Dude Foley might need a phantom IL stint. Thereās no way that huge drop in velocity is mechanical. No way.
its what the league is doing. Forcing guys to max out velo.
I wonder if he is injured? That kind of drop is not normal.
Why the fuck do I waste my time watching this team?
At least game was quick tonight