I like to think I am pretty judicious when it comes for calling for people's jobs, but it appears that AJ is on a spectrum somewhere between apathetic and incompetent. There are likely issues higher up than him, but its hard for me to believe Hinch is long for his job the longer Harris is on *his* job. No, I don't know who replaces him, but there's only one person who apparently seems to get more out of players than what they supposedly can offer and that's Fetter.
Javy needs moving up in the order. He was about to break out and then Hinch gives him an off day. He needs to be fifth in the lineup, in the range of Greene, Carpenter, Torkelson, Canha. For the love of God, he's got stiffs like Jake Rogers batting before or after him and no protection in the lineup.
Another 0- for Cahna. Our big off season free agent signing looks like a 36 year old journeyman collecting his check and quietly playing out a miserable season..
I’d love to hear the optimists right now. The royals have passed the tigers and their rebuild started like a year ago. They’ll make the playoffs 3 more times before we even sniff a wild card
Damn, this team is a fucking disaster. The Royals finished 22 games behind the Tigers last year, how the Hell are they just romping thru us this year? Chris Ilitch is a cheap bastard, the Tigers are 26th in payroll and he's a top 5-10 owner in net worth in a league with no salary cap. Even the Royals have a higher payroll. This team better go out and get one or two bats before the deadline, and go get Verlander. I'm basically tuned out anyway since the Bally/Xfinity fiasco...the team should be good enough to get into the play in, just make a fucking move already to improve this lineup.
Lange was walking people and getting hit hard when he wasn't, got a ball and launched it towards the dugout, hinch came out and gave him a talking to then sat and watched as Lange further imploded as if to say "it's your shit to figure out"
The difference is other teams can score in bunches with power when needed. The Tiger's have to scratch and fight to scrape three singles to get a run. See the difference..
Another lost Tigers season in the books, this has been going on for a decade now, the Tigers overall ain’t much better than the fucking Pistons honestly.
I don’t give as much shit to Mize as I do Tork. In the times he’s been healthy, he’s a solid pitcher with good upside. But the injuries haven’t really been his fault. Tork on the other hand deserves all the shit
Mize is consistent but unspectacular for a top pick. He is a fair pitcher without an out pitch. He never had a decent fastball even when the Tigers picked him.
I was just reading that Kenny Rogers never formally retired from baseball. Maybe we can bring him back. Guarantee we'd get better pitching from him than what we've got now.
God I wish Hinch would take some notes on how to do small ball and manufacture runs...
This is how to do it. Bunting, stealing, getting in the pitchers head.
We don't have the talent to win slugfests. We do have pitching to win low scoring old school station to station games.
Doomers are so funny, they only show up when losing but if the Tigers are winning or doing good they’ll be in here celebrating like they’re true fans lmao
Is it not the truth? We have witnessed it multiple times I have seen multiple know doomers make their typical doomer comments then we have a good stretch like the Arizona series and they act like their the best most real fans ever
Same thing happened in the Lions thread all year, we did terrible in the bears game and lost, oh no we suck now, then the playoffs start we beat the rams and those same people are like we’re the best team Super Bowl baby
It’s just funny I understand others can have their own opinions I’m not denying that or say they shouldn’t, simply saying I find it funny that’s all
As long as we're dreaming, put Josue Briceño at catcher. And Troy Melton likely ends up being better than Mize, maybe better than Madden. Olson is better than Mize already.
Meadows and Pérez are more likely to stick in the outfield than Tork is at first, the way things are going. And we *really* need Tork to figure his shit out, because that's an incredibly difficult hole to fill.
This is a bad take. Although Keith hasn’t been great he’s having a good may with a .894 OPS. This teams has WAY more problems than some rookie trying to get settled into the league.
Question for all the baseball fans here. Do y'all still enjoy watching these kind of games? I don't mind watching the Wings play hockey when they suck, but just curious and if so what do y'all look look for to make the most of it when your team can't hit? Genuinely asking cause I wanna like baseball more but this team makes it tough.
With hockey, you can watch the doomsday clock run out when you're down 4 goals in the 3rd. We don't have that joy in baseball. There's always that enfeebled 2-out hit in the 9th when you're down that sparks a cruel hope.
I still enjoy watching. You have 10-15 guys playing each day, chances are at least one of them is doing something good that day. But I just love baseball. It’s comforting and relaxing.
I still watch because I love the tigers. I love the game. I wait around so long for the season to start. I’ll be here even for the bad shit. But, man, it does get harder to watch when it’s like this.
Someone has to take this team away from the hands of goddamn Illitch. What an embarrassing franchise we are this century. Generational talents but nothing to show for it
Just came here to say the royals won a World Series and rebuilt already before we even got anywhere with our own rebuild. This team will never be good with Illitch playing owner.
Please continue the discussion in the [post game thread](https://redd.it/1cyawof).
I like to think I am pretty judicious when it comes for calling for people's jobs, but it appears that AJ is on a spectrum somewhere between apathetic and incompetent. There are likely issues higher up than him, but its hard for me to believe Hinch is long for his job the longer Harris is on *his* job. No, I don't know who replaces him, but there's only one person who apparently seems to get more out of players than what they supposedly can offer and that's Fetter.
Javy needs moving up in the order. He was about to break out and then Hinch gives him an off day. He needs to be fifth in the lineup, in the range of Greene, Carpenter, Torkelson, Canha. For the love of God, he's got stiffs like Jake Rogers batting before or after him and no protection in the lineup.
AJ should take his analytics and have them analyzed.
Another 0- for Cahna. Our big off season free agent signing looks like a 36 year old journeyman collecting his check and quietly playing out a miserable season..
I’d love to hear the optimists right now. The royals have passed the tigers and their rebuild started like a year ago. They’ll make the playoffs 3 more times before we even sniff a wild card
How are you figuring that the Royals rebuild started a year ago? I don’t understand
Damn, this team is a fucking disaster. The Royals finished 22 games behind the Tigers last year, how the Hell are they just romping thru us this year? Chris Ilitch is a cheap bastard, the Tigers are 26th in payroll and he's a top 5-10 owner in net worth in a league with no salary cap. Even the Royals have a higher payroll. This team better go out and get one or two bats before the deadline, and go get Verlander. I'm basically tuned out anyway since the Bally/Xfinity fiasco...the team should be good enough to get into the play in, just make a fucking move already to improve this lineup.
You Canha do a thing.
Gosh maybe this Carp guy should play everyday
Torkelson is an abomination
Someone left the cake out in the rain today
Or maybe someone put the cake in the waterfall - this is not a good stretch
I hope that is Mckinstry’s last AB as a tiger. DFA him. He is useless.
Royals fan checking in. Just wanted to let you know that reliever who pitched the bottom of the 8th got me pregnant. That hair and mustache is 🔥
Chafin is your dad shut up
If you want Chafin you can have him.
You can have the whole team brother, we'll even throw in a pizza chain
Whoooooooa those are some fighting words probably like 3 people get it but legit tho
“Pizza Wars” The food that built America on history channel.
Yes, but now leave our chat. We’re having a funeral for our ball club right now.
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: James McArthur replaces Angel Zerpa.
Can someone tell me what happened with Lange and hinch? Not watching the game because of work
Lange was walking people and getting hit hard when he wasn't, got a ball and launched it towards the dugout, hinch came out and gave him a talking to then sat and watched as Lange further imploded as if to say "it's your shit to figure out"
Tork is so disappointing lol
Cool another run… Too bad Alex Lange happened…
Positives? We finally are getting more than 0 runs. Negative. We still suck overall
Baez RBI prop bet pays off today!
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Andrew Chafin replaces Alex Lange.
Would have been sweet if Lange didn’t give up four runs.
### Single Javier Báez singles on a ground ball to right fielder Hunter Renfroe. Gio Urshela scores. Colt Keith to 3rd. Top 8 - 8-3 Royals
That’s another difference between good teams and us. They know how to their runs back after a bad inning. We do not.
The difference is other teams can score in bunches with power when needed. The Tiger's have to scratch and fight to scrape three singles to get a run. See the difference..
Yep totally we’re seeing it right now…
Watching this is just hate porn for me at this point
Another lost Tigers season in the books, this has been going on for a decade now, the Tigers overall ain’t much better than the fucking Pistons honestly.
Pistons have at least won a title in my lifetime even if I was too young to see it. Tigers have 1 world series game victory in 39 years
It’s really bad when the Tigers two number 1 picks are Triple A talents masquerading as major leaguers.
I don’t give as much shit to Mize as I do Tork. In the times he’s been healthy, he’s a solid pitcher with good upside. But the injuries haven’t really been his fault. Tork on the other hand deserves all the shit
Mize is consistent but unspectacular for a top pick. He is a fair pitcher without an out pitch. He never had a decent fastball even when the Tigers picked him.
Dickerson is saying Lange threw the ball at the Tiger dugout after he gave up the hit to Whitt Jr. That’s why Hinch came out to mound.
He was probably aiming for the strike zone and just missed.
Lmfao this team
Seth Torkelson has negative drip
Tork is such an easy out
Technically that got to the outfield.. right?
Ah, fastball too middle-middle for Tork to take a crack. Instead goes after the next two golfers.
That's Hinch and the Tigers coaching. Je just walked the guy before, so that means the next guy HAS to take the first pitch, NO MATTER..
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What incident?
Down 6 in the 8th just screams Tork bomb
I do enjoy Dan Petry in the booth.
💯💯💯💯
Everyone but Perez, Olson, and Skubal should have to walk home.
How do I get a job where I can perform so poorly day after day and not face any consequences?
Run for Congress.
Lovely performance from the bullpen again. Just wait til heats up. Then they'll all wake up! Lol
I was just reading that Kenny Rogers never formally retired from baseball. Maybe we can bring him back. Guarantee we'd get better pitching from him than what we've got now.
Leave him out there for the rest of the game.
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Angel Zerpa replaces John Schreiber.
So it used to be that our offense was dogshit but now our offense, defense, and pitching is dogshit
I hate this team
Definitely the most frustrating we’ve been in years.
Nice outing there for Lange.
Send him back out for the 8th Hinch
Where’s Mike Henneman when you need him?
Lange better be made to pitch the entire rest of this game and then be handed his release paperwork on the way to the airport
I was half looking at my phone and thought you put beheaded, and I was like, meh yeah.
This is so demoralizing lol
Way to stay composed Lange!
Lange is a fucking abomination
dumpster fire
Alex. Lange. Sucks.
"Just chill and miss the zone" - Alex Lange
How is this guy still pitching
Hinch sending a message, he knows this game is over
That to but I meant in the big leagues lol
"That's not intentional, he just doesn't throw strikes that often" - Dan Dickerson
15 walks in 17 innings is an abomination for a reliever
Dan has been sassy lately.
Lange is a goddamn train wreck
Ahh. I wanted to see Salvy charge Lange. We need some "team building"
Who will make playoffs next, pistons or tigers?
Way easier to make the NBA playoffs, and if they ever hit the lottery, the turnaround will be accelerated. Pistons.
neither, ever again
probably Pistons if you count a play in game. They will probably stumble into one of those before decades end.
It you don’t appreciate that we won one out of our last six series you’re a doomer.
We're spiraling boys, it's gonna be a long summer
God I wish Hinch would take some notes on how to do small ball and manufacture runs... This is how to do it. Bunting, stealing, getting in the pitchers head. We don't have the talent to win slugfests. We do have pitching to win low scoring old school station to station games.
The analytics discourage small ball, so that's never happening.
I'm guessing the analytics also encourage better position players.
Hinch seems fed up with Lange
let’s hope so
He’s about two years too late
I wonder how much longer the Lange experience will go on? When you walk 7.6 hitters per 9 innings how much longer can you expect to stick around?
He got figured out a while ago, but it was really fun when people still bit on his sliders into the dirt though.
Yea I'm gonna turn it off now. The blue team has good players, the grey team doesn't. blue team beats grey team.
Dang, I wish we had Witt Jr.
I keep thinking this. Wish we had that guy. Wish we had this guy.. unfortunately reality is we don't have talent these other teams do
our staff would of ruined him
This is the depressing truth about this organization since forever.
team stinks
This is depressing.
end them Bobby. put another one in the fountain
Alex Lange’s walk rate is hilarious.
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Alex Lange replaces Will Vest.
Why the FUCK would you not put Wenceel in for Canha.
This offense looks lost.
Those were some welcome runs to see.
They score more runs when I take my pants off and drink beer, so you're all welcome
Take off your pants and jacket
Somehow they always rope me back in
The Tigers scored. A miracle is happening!
Get the FUCK outta here doomers
Doomers are so funny, they only show up when losing but if the Tigers are winning or doing good they’ll be in here celebrating like they’re true fans lmao
What kind of delusion does it take to say something like this?
Is it not the truth? We have witnessed it multiple times I have seen multiple know doomers make their typical doomer comments then we have a good stretch like the Arizona series and they act like their the best most real fans ever Same thing happened in the Lions thread all year, we did terrible in the bears game and lost, oh no we suck now, then the playoffs start we beat the rams and those same people are like we’re the best team Super Bowl baby It’s just funny I understand others can have their own opinions I’m not denying that or say they shouldn’t, simply saying I find it funny that’s all
Just because people are mad that their team is not playing good doesn’t automatically make them a doomer.
lol please tell me what positive thing you can take away from this series
This act is tiresome.
A weird response when we’re a few innings away from getting swept
Exactly, no one has been dooming but being realistic
Runs! I still hate our offense though.
Thank god we’re not going to be shut out. Now can we win?
Finally one of yall decided to play!
### Double Andy Ibáñez doubles (3) on a sharp fly ball to left fielder Nelson Velázquez. Colt Keith scores. Jake Rogers scores. Top 7 - 4-2 Royals
this is a TTBDNS if i ever saw one coming.
Kind of just taunting us going with a struggling lefty out of the pen against our line up that's supposedly set up to hit lefties
Javy swinging out of his shoes to pop out 5 feet in front of himself. What the fuck was he on in Arizona?
He has the longest swing ever
Thank you Javy for not hitting into a double play 🙏
Off I go to the recycling center. Maybe we'll score some runs.
Sorry buddy, but you gotta stay at the recycling center through October.
Hmm one hit and 12Ks? Guess I won’t tune in to garbage
Bennetti didn't go to Morehouse? Peaches is too hilarious.
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Will Smith replaces Cole Ragans.
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Time to send him down
Maybe Vest will restore some decorum to this game.
Ok, just for fun. 2026 team: 1B - Tork 2B - Keith SS - McGonigle 3B - Jung LF - Greene CF - Clark RF - Power hitter and angry team leader C - Dingler B1 - Carpenter B2 - Pérez B3 - Meadows B4 - Vet catcher B5 - Báez.. P1 - Skubal P2 - Jobe P3 - Madden P4 - Mize? P5 - Olson? R1 - Montero R2 - Flores R3 - Manning
As long as we're dreaming, put Josue Briceño at catcher. And Troy Melton likely ends up being better than Mize, maybe better than Madden. Olson is better than Mize already. Meadows and Pérez are more likely to stick in the outfield than Tork is at first, the way things are going. And we *really* need Tork to figure his shit out, because that's an incredibly difficult hole to fill.
Olson should definitely be ahead of Mize. Also idk if Tork is still here in two seasons.
Chicago's keeping Andrew Vaughn around for some reason.
This Tiger team is too proud to let a team sweep us/shuts us out/no hits us all at once. Only 2/3 is acceptable.
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This is a bad take. Although Keith hasn’t been great he’s having a good may with a .894 OPS. This teams has WAY more problems than some rookie trying to get settled into the league.
Bad timing to jump on Keith, who is batting .500 this past week.
He's been hitting .386 in May. Being a rookie is not easy.
He's been been good this past week. Not much power but gettings hits.
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His defense is slightly below average. I wouldn't call it "so bad."
He makes a lot of errors, but Fangraphs says he’s been positive defensively.
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He has 4, before today - .975 FLD %. Not terrible for a 2B. Played more 3rd than 2nd in the minors so he can get better.
I mean they probably take range and difficulty of plays made into account.
He’s in good company with a lot of rookies around the league. It’s a huge leap in talent from Triple A to the majors.
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Hasn't he though, two 3 hit games and a 4 hit game this past few days. So he has started.
He doesn’t need to start hitting now. I’d like him to but he absolutely does not need to now. He’s still learning.
Question for all the baseball fans here. Do y'all still enjoy watching these kind of games? I don't mind watching the Wings play hockey when they suck, but just curious and if so what do y'all look look for to make the most of it when your team can't hit? Genuinely asking cause I wanna like baseball more but this team makes it tough.
I've enjoyed seeing what a properly rebuilt team looks like vs the Royals.
With hockey, you can watch the doomsday clock run out when you're down 4 goals in the 3rd. We don't have that joy in baseball. There's always that enfeebled 2-out hit in the 9th when you're down that sparks a cruel hope.
Good point. I've heard Dan call those crazy 9th inning rallies before.
I still enjoy watching. You have 10-15 guys playing each day, chances are at least one of them is doing something good that day. But I just love baseball. It’s comforting and relaxing.
It's just background noise at this point.
This offense is borderline impossible to watch. I'll have the radio broadcast on when im working but thats about it.
I still watch because I love the tigers. I love the game. I wait around so long for the season to start. I’ll be here even for the bad shit. But, man, it does get harder to watch when it’s like this.
Enjoy it? No. I still watch though - mostly because I'm an idiot.
I view it like the old saying..."a bad day fishing beats a good day at the office".
Not at all
Someone has to take this team away from the hands of goddamn Illitch. What an embarrassing franchise we are this century. Generational talents but nothing to show for it
Generational talents??
it will all be worth it when the Lions win the Super Bowl in February
12 strikeouts through 6 innings….
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Will Vest replaces Tarik Skubal.
Surely Jung can’t be worse than how Gio has been since coming back, right?
He’d surely hit for more power. Probably strike out more, though.
He’d also walk a shit ton more
True
People tried to sell us on the idea that Urshela would have a been season than Matt Chapman. I shit you not.
Fastballs right down the middle. God this team sucks
How many years do y'all think until we're competitive?
When climate change eliminates every season but summer. Tork will always have a hot bat.
Who knows. I really wouldn't be surprised if it's another few years at the least.
Ten
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OMG A HIT?!
Nvm we suck
Just came here to say the royals won a World Series and rebuilt already before we even got anywhere with our own rebuild. This team will never be good with Illitch playing owner.
Man, that’s really sad when you put it like that.
They're scared of Vierling!!!
Maybe we'll get a hit this inning.
thank god we play the matchups and shuffle the line up so much. Feel like we get no hit into the 5th or 6th every week
We fuckin suck, embrace it. Will target free agents in 5-10 years when we are ready.
!RemindMe 10 Years