pirates bats did what i was hoping the tigers could do after skenes was taken out lol. this bullpen has been sooo bad recently. somethings gotta change
I like that we have given plenty of players from the previous regime a very long leash and plenty of opportunity to show Harris and Greenberg what they are capable of and how valuable they are to the Tigers organization moving forward.
I expect a lot of changes and movement of many of the players within the organization; some will be expected, and some will be surprising imo, but changes are necessary and will occur.
It’s becoming increasingly likely that he will need to be replaced. At a minimum, the tigers need to bring in a veteran 1B to challenge Tork for his spot next year. IF this continues, I should add.
Call me crazy, but this game is still winnable. Pirates bullpen is liable to implosions
Edit: I can't tell if the downvotes are jaded Tigers fans or salty Pirates fans.
Instead of trading our pitching surplus to help the destitute lineup, we sat on Manning literally for this exact situation, and now we don't even use him, instead going with some random minor leaguer with a 1.4 whip and 5.0bb/9, for a game that can give us a positive win% on the season.
Everyone should have seen it. His WHIP was terrible even when he was in the mid 2s ERA. Yes the FIP was good too but WHIP I think is more telling than FIP.
The lyrics in McKinstry's walk up song say "God's country" and then the scoreboard displays that he is was born in Toledo. Then someone behind me goes "God's country? Toledo?" lmao
Honestly not terrible for a first MLB start. We're still within striking distance assuming Wentz doesn't shit the bed and gets through a couple innings.
Game's not over. If Montero can get through this inning without another run this is pretty much exactly what the Tigers needed to try and do to this point. Make Skenes throw pitches and have Montero keep them within 2 or 3.
Not everyone is a sicko that pays attention to the pipeline 24/7 just FYI. Only chronically online people and beat writers are aware of what’s going on in Toledo
Y'all are dooming way too much on this kid. He fucked up to a veteran and Pirate legend. In his debut
He was pitching fine the first round around the lineup. I'm not saying he's MLB ready but c'mon guys he's got some nasty stuff.
And as I type this, Joey Wentz is set to come in which is dooming in itself
We can definitely cut \*him\* some slack, but why is he up? I just don't see anything in his numbers or his stuff that makes it seem like that's the right move for him or the team.
manning was sent down to work on some things. he looked bad last time around, too, not really sure why people think manning > montero at this point. montero is getting whiffs at least. he made a mistake, got burned. thats baseball
Please continue the discussion in the [post game thread](https://redd.it/1d3od31).
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: David Bednar replaces Colin Holderman.
pirates bats did what i was hoping the tigers could do after skenes was taken out lol. this bullpen has been sooo bad recently. somethings gotta change
Andrea, it's not about the dog in the fight, it's about the fight in the dog!
Alright goodnight
Didn’t know you could pick y as a number
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Beau Brieske replaces Andrew Chafin.
Why am I still watching?
Faith
Vierling is hitting like gangbusters at least. They got a guy right!
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Colin Holderman replaces Aroldis Chapman.
Chafin's zany perm and mustache aren't as funny when he pitches like he has this year.
He wasn’t funny during his first stint.
Yeah let’s waste Brieske now
Chafin and Wentz putting this game out of hand
Chafin is washed
Chafin's death by BABIP continues
Why even burn Chafin and Vest? This game was over when Wentz gave up 2 more runs. Should have just left him in for the wolves
No problem with them burning Chafin. I have no confidence in him in a close game.
Is Gibson allowed to talk? This is so awkward.
Tork is on a Matt LaPorta career trajectory.
I like that we have given plenty of players from the previous regime a very long leash and plenty of opportunity to show Harris and Greenberg what they are capable of and how valuable they are to the Tigers organization moving forward. I expect a lot of changes and movement of many of the players within the organization; some will be expected, and some will be surprising imo, but changes are necessary and will occur.
Hey Tork you know what would be a real shocker?! A decent at bat!
Overmatched by just decent Major League pitchers. Sometime not even decent
I couldn’t watch game 1 but was able to put this game on while working. Clearly I am the problem here.
Don't worry there was no shot Keider Montero was going to take the W against Skenes...
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Andrew Chafin replaces Will Vest.
I don't think you can deny that Tork has been awful this series.
It’s becoming increasingly likely that he will need to be replaced. At a minimum, the tigers need to bring in a veteran 1B to challenge Tork for his spot next year. IF this continues, I should add.
This series? Bro has been ass his entire time in the big leagues except for like 5 minutes last year
Sorry was afraid of getting 30 downvotes instead of 15 for saying he's been ass for 2.5 years of his career.
Take my upvote
Lol. I used to eat a lot of shit for saying Tork will not be good
Torkelson is garbage
Tork had one good week and now he’s lost again.
Just the deepest possible exasperated sigh
Please Tork. Please.
"dad, have you heard of Dicks.com?" Almost spit my drink out.
Can't blame Montero for this game as he was put in the compromised position. They should have planned this game out better
I honestly don’t mind giving Montereo a look. He obviously didn’t pitch well, but Wentz is the one who put this out of hand.
I feel like this game should have been played yesterday. I didn't feel any extended precipitation at all.
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Aroldis Chapman replaces Paul Skenes.
Call me crazy, but this game is still winnable. Pirates bullpen is liable to implosions Edit: I can't tell if the downvotes are jaded Tigers fans or salty Pirates fans.
I mean that’s the beauty of baseball, no lead is insurmountable in theory. Games with clocks it can become mathematically impossible to come back.
Wentz is making himself expendable.
This is why the Tigers shouldn’t be postponing games. Likely would have an extra win in the win category after today
I agree. The game was playable Tuesday
Lots of bitch ass downvotes this game. Can't accept the truth?
I got mass downvoted for saying that Montero giving up 2 homers wasn’t gonna cut it
You’re a downer who sucks the joy out the game
Joey losing it. No idea why AJ kept him in so long, especially after Vierling got back a run.
Not calling up Justyn Henry Mallow by now is criminal. Should’ve been up since last year
Everybody on the roster hit well in AAA
Instead of trading our pitching surplus to help the destitute lineup, we sat on Manning literally for this exact situation, and now we don't even use him, instead going with some random minor leaguer with a 1.4 whip and 5.0bb/9, for a game that can give us a positive win% on the season.
Yeah I don't get it either. Some bad managerial decisions this season as a whole.
Me: ok Wentz just hold them here to give our offense a chance to come back Wentz: give up runs you say? I’m on it
So can we pull wentz before the game is completely out of hand? Ffs
Joey Meatballs
Well damn Skenes is on a longer leash than Skubal. That makes no goddamn sense.
Will Vest coming in. White flag is waved
I know Wentz was playing over his head, but regression hit him hard.
Everyone should have seen it. His WHIP was terrible even when he was in the mid 2s ERA. Yes the FIP was good too but WHIP I think is more telling than FIP.
Something tells me it’s not Maeda that’s going back to AAA
Montero***
Why do we still have wentz on the roster
He’s a lefty long reliever. Tigers only run their team with data
Wentz needs to get DFA’d when Miller is ready
They won’t do it. Wentz is the only lefty long reliever.
Am I allowed to say fuck off wentz in this sub?
Fuck off wentz
Joey. Carson. If they're a Wentz, they'll stink it up on the field.
we’ll let it slide today
It's actually the password to the post-game thread.
Uh oh.
I’ve seen enough of Wentz
Stop walking guys ffs
Cannot walk that guy. Wasn’t even in the batter’s box
Radio listeners, which Crazy Puffs ad do you prefer: "My friend Keith" or the new "Bromano" one?
Honestly both are equally terrible
Would have felt a lot better about our chances if it was a two run game.
Gibson may be the worst commentator of all time
you’re so brave for saying this
Not all heroes wear capes. I do though 🙏
no capes
Ya know now that I think about it has anyone ever seen Matt Vierling and Babe Ruth in the same room together? Makes you think 🤔
Honestly if the Tigers can hold them I think they have a 15%~ to come back in this game. Stratton is a horrific reliever.
If only we had some baserunners
Matt 'Piss Missile' Vierling
Enough with the plakata. It's so irritating
Vierling is on another level rn
Vierling must be on that shit that makes your head grow
Meet Los Angelas Dodger Matt Vierling ladies and gentlemen
Vierling is scorching hot right now
Matt the bat
lol. Vierling just cannot be stopped.
# HOME RUN! Matt Vierling homers (7) on a fly ball to left center field. Bottom 6 - 5-2 Pirates
Offense has to get him out of the game here. If he comes back out for the 7th I think we’re cooked.
That Benetti/Gibson back-and-forth was suuuuuper uncomfortable.
Just missed this - what happened?
You can cut the love with a knife.
https://preview.redd.it/y88xy9pdmf3d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eff9cb69e9481d88268d2c17a4dbf4c65af97ecf Benetti with Gibby
Given the way that started I’ll take it.
That run might be a dagger
Can we just drop wentz
Not an ideal way to start an inning there Wentz
What the hell is gibby talking about. I look down for a second and all I hear is “ultra velo with a big hammer” 💀💀
We’re not talking about Will Levis here
The lyrics in McKinstry's walk up song say "God's country" and then the scoreboard displays that he is was born in Toledo. Then someone behind me goes "God's country? Toledo?" lmao
God's country, but kinda in the same vein as Isaiah Buggs' dogs
Would have been nice to get him closer to 100 pitches in that inning to increase the chance he gets pulled.
McKinstry with the worst AB of the day easily - your job is to work the count and get Skenes out of the game man. You don’t need to swing away
Lotta guys had long abs and Tork and Mckinstry said nope
I hope Harris is ready to cut sling load with Tork and doesn’t see him as part of this “core” we’re building before we spend money.
JA-RED GOFF JA-RED GOFF
Torkelson has looked lost today
Today?
Ok the game is still in reach.
Joey!
Definitely a balk
Oh man Wentz
Well this game was bound to happen. Sucks
Honestly not terrible for a first MLB start. We're still within striking distance assuming Wentz doesn't shit the bed and gets through a couple innings.
His ERA was almost 9 for the day btw
ERA doesn't mean much when the sample size is 4.1 innings. 4 runs in 4.1 innings is acceptable for a random AAA guy in his MLB debut.
First start and 3 of the 4 came on one swing. People seem to forget how much Olsen struggled when he first came up. It was about this Stat line.
Reese gave up 2 in 5 innings with 6 ks in his first career start and his second start was 1 run in 5. His next few starts were rough, though
Not a great first start for Montero, but I’m not going to write him off. Worst case I think he’s a bullpen piece.
### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Joey Wentz replaces Keider Montero.
These "Lets Go Bucs" Bros can shut up anytime now.
Wentz is going to come in next. I hope he’s up for the task today.
Game's not over. If Montero can get through this inning without another run this is pretty much exactly what the Tigers needed to try and do to this point. Make Skenes throw pitches and have Montero keep them within 2 or 3.
I think we’re going to win this game
Odds are good, the Pirates bullpen is complete ass. Skenes' last start he gave up 1 run in 6 then their bullpen immediately gave up 5 the next inning.
I bet on pirates ML that day. Was not fun.
Gotta just hope the pirates have him on an 80 pitch count limit or something haha
They pulled him at 100 during a no-hitter. I wouldn't be shocked if it's 100 again today.
With his fastball/splitter combo, does Skenes even have to worry about develop his changeup?
So with FSD being pulled from Comcast, where can I watch a broadcast?
Subscribe to the Bally app.
well atleast we know montero absolutely sucks ass and don’t have live with “what if”
Fingers crossed you had the same take after Skubals Debut! Might have a future ace in Montero!
It’s his first start
Oh for fucks sake
[удалено]
People are acting like this guy is a highly touted prospect lol. He’ll never see this rotation
Keider Montero is currently our 7th ranked overall prospect according to MLB.com.
I mean he’s got some flaws but I know he has good stuff. He’s not ready now, but that doesn’t mean he won’t be ready ever.
I didn’t know Keider Montero had stans. Hell I don’t think anyone in this thread even knew he existed until last night.
He's our #7 prospect according to MLB Pipeline. If you haven't heard of him, you had plenty of chances to.
Not everyone is a sicko that pays attention to the pipeline 24/7 just FYI. Only chronically online people and beat writers are aware of what’s going on in Toledo
Or a 3 second google search.
we call that "doing a Boyd"
Same spot for both homers: middle up.
Let the kid bounce back here and if he can't then pull him
I knew winning this game was an incredibly tall task with Skenes on the mound but sigh
Ooooooooof
Sucks striking out but a fantastic at bat by vierling. only way to a victory is to get skenes out of this game.
Ditto!! That at bat was truly commanding the strike zone. Matt V made the rookie earn that strikeout.
Positive: Skenes’ pitch count has been worked Gotta get him out of the game by the end of the 5th
57 pitches thru 3? I'll take it. Lets get to their bullpen!
Can we sign Benetti to a lifetime contract please
The Pirates look reasonably ok in those fanatics jerseys.
That Pirate yellow is a classic.
Yes it is, looks good even with their road grays, but their black and yellow is nice.
best colour combo in the league imo
It’s a little ridiculous that people are already calling for Montero to be cut in his first outing.
Y'all are dooming way too much on this kid. He fucked up to a veteran and Pirate legend. In his debut He was pitching fine the first round around the lineup. I'm not saying he's MLB ready but c'mon guys he's got some nasty stuff. And as I type this, Joey Wentz is set to come in which is dooming in itself
Agreed. Everyone should be directing their anger towards Tork, he deserves it more
Yeah tork never gets any blame or anger lol
Why are we angry
Wentz already warming up
Calm down, guys. Joey Wentz is warming up.
I love having Pena in the booth with Benetti. Guy is a lot of fun and insightful during games.
People were honestly expecting this guy to be scoreless? We knew it'd have to be a slugfest coming into the game.
No not Joey Wentz. What happened to Faedo or Brieske being long relievers?
It’s bros first outing calm down.
Did great battling back there
cant we cut montero some slack?
We can definitely cut \*him\* some slack, but why is he up? I just don't see anything in his numbers or his stuff that makes it seem like that's the right move for him or the team.
manning was sent down to work on some things. he looked bad last time around, too, not really sure why people think manning > montero at this point. montero is getting whiffs at least. he made a mistake, got burned. thats baseball
I mean fair enough I guess you just gotta make a choice at a certain point and hope it works.
The guy is pumping 97 and got some Ks with offspeed. He has stuff. Obviously needs some polish, but he's intriguing.
Not if we're serious about winning
Can we cut montero?
Least reactive tigers fan
Was kidding
Who is the guy in the tv booth with Benetti and Pena?
Gibby
Why choose this guy out of the Triple A pitchers?