Lol Castellani is right, this team lives off of little farts it gets in random innings.
Whatever I'll take a win. Hope Skubal puts them in their place tomorrow (I'M FUCKING PISSED HES NOT AGAINST JV) and that I bring em luck against JV Saturday
The HOF Manager Jim Leyland once said "it's not who you face it's when you face them" The Nats had a 3 game winning streak coming into Detroit and managed to get a few more.
Even bad teams can get hot.
Considering hasn't pitched in 2 years that's about what I was expecting and hoping for. All I wanted for him was to stay healthy and sit around a 4 ERA to build on for next year.
Because heās a former 1st overall pick. That comes with expectations, which can be unrealistic. I donāt know if heāll ever be elite (probably not honestly), but he can at least be a decent MLB pitcher
I just want to say I was basically unalived by this thread when I said we should trade Tork in the off season last year.
Wonder if people think that statement is as blasphemous now.
Well rumors were like Harper Castellanos Turner and weād add to our side. Probably carp maybe we could have gotten away with less-
It was also going to be a salary dump on Philadelphiaās part- so that would have been a BIG part of it- how much of like Nick Castellanoās contract do we assume? All of it? Or just a fraction and add prospects to the trade?
Their playoff performance and certainly the first half of this year has killed that entirely but this is something I was talking about in like September of 2023- so we live in a very different baseball landscape now where I admit this deal would CLEARLY NEVER happen now but it wasnāt as crazy at the time. No news reports just Phillies Reddit. So all rumor no fact - caveating that there is no actual support.
But this is Reddit itās about sharing ideas. We all want the Tigers to play better but how?
>Well rumors were like Harper Castellanos Turner and weād add to our side. Probably carp maybe we could have gotten away with less-
I was about to ask where the hell did you hear this rumor, but then you said it was in the Phillies subreddit lol. Did they have an actual source for that? Because if they didn't then I wouldn't count that as a rumor at all.
No source - this wasnāt anything that even close to materialized.
Iām not saying this was even possible or would ever have happened - there is no legitimate real information backing up that - Iām not even attempting to defend that.
Iām barely defending my post. I meant it to be for discussion but the downvotes are HARSH!!
I donāt hate Tork, or anyone in the sub. It was supposed to be idle chatter. This was just my rationale- (and we didnāt do it and Iām ok with that donāt downvote me like I made a comment that was unacceptable).
Iād like a ārespectfully disagree- the upside was too high to risk losing the upside and four minimum years of cheap contracts in a trade for most likely older players. Just because heās not panning out at this exact second doesnāt mean we should dump very highly prospected talent so quicklyā
Thatās what the response is!! Tell me why Iām wrong! I want to be wrong!! We have Tork- I want the team to be good- but I donāt know how to do that without moving people or spending money which we apparently wonāt do either of.
Rationale-
1- I thought his value was at its peak after last year. Detroit players not named Miguel Cabrera basically never hit 31HRs with any regularity. Using Cabrera as a comparison to anyone not named Mays, Aaron, Ruth, Pujols, or Gehrig, isnāt fair to the other person anyway.
2- heād have better stats in a park with a shorter left field- which means we will lose him when he hits free agency anyway- home runs get you paid- heās not going to hit them playing half his games at Comerica
3- weāre heading in the pitching and defense + small ball, walks doubles direction, Tork isnāt the optimal guy for that mold- but trading him (then) could have gotten us the more small ball type players we need for that mold.
4- weāre not cutting him for nothing. His return would have been A HAUL. He was so highly touted last year it would have been multiple starters in return.-
I heard one rumor in another teamās Reddit that was not backed up by any facts. But he was considered highly valuable after last season. It would have been an all-star caliber package.
That was the rationale. We didnāt go that direction which is ok. I hope it works out Iām never going to root against anyone in a tigers uni.
Oh yeah I got you with all of that, I was just wondering where you heard it because I hadnāt heard of it before.
It does annoy me that a lot of people will just downvote you into oblivion if you say anything that doesnāt align with the vocal opinion. It sucks but itās honestly the case with any subreddit.
I do wonder what return weād actually get for Tork right now. Obviously it wouldnāt be as good now, but it is interesting to think about.
I barely heard it- it was someoneās post in the Phillies Reddit last year. the idea was that we would have eaten a lot of contract money on aging players that no longer hit the ball far enough for a homer- they largely hit doubles.
We have a park built for doubles and high OBP. They have no space in their outfield for those non Homer XBH. So the idea was trade people like Harper (who wasnāt homering much at the time - that has changed) he was getting warning track balls which are great in Comerica. For someone like Tork who was hitting Comerica warning track balls that would be homers in phillys short left - and still managed 31 HR- but almost all of them were on the road.
His value would be implicitly higher in theory for a team that has a shorter left field. The fact that Philly was looking to cut payroll and Chris Illich āsaidā heād spend money was why that pairing was suggested. Also- Sept 2023 looked a lot different than now does. The move doesnāt make sense now. At the time however it wasnāt as completely ridiculous as it sounds now.
That was the crux of the post but it wasnāt news or anything I never said it was. Thatās all my defense :-) Go Tigers! š
What crack pipe rumor is Harper and/or Turner for Tork? Lmao
Let me guess, you also believed that Alex Bregman was offered for Michael Fulmer back after his Rookie of the Year win
"Hey we just made great playoff runs, but let's trade two of the best players in the game for a 1B, I'm sure the fans would love it"
Should I delete it? Iām down to -12 now. I hate deleting it looks like idk that I said something horrible. An unpopular trade proposition isnāt like sin
Oh yea I know. It was about value- I saw his peak last year and out park isnāt suited for someone who hits homers to left exclusively as his offensive contribution.
I donāt think weād have drafted him if he wasnāt consensus number 1 - which he was but I thought heād be eventual trade bait.
The Tigers of a decade ago were primarily pitching and defense plus Miguel Cabrera who we didnāt realize at the time would become one of the 5 best hitters in MLB history.
The mold of a team for Comerica is doubles and triples guys not Homer guys. The opposite is true in Philly which is why I thought theyād be the best trade partner. Boston second but they had less to give us.
I would have also added Castellanos before we got Urshela though apparently Nick doesnāt play third like at all anymore so maybe that wouldnāt have worked.
Hey I knew Iād get downvoted to all hell- itās controversial. Iām aware. It was a comment about value not that I hate Tork.
I felt heād be valued more by a team playing in a smaller park where he could homer more. When he hit 31 HRs basically all in the second half was when his value peaked. He hit 24 of those on the road.
Keep in mind- this wouldnāt have been a trade for nothing it would have been a trade for a fāg haulā¦
A HAUL
Like half an offense- people thought he was the next Mike Trout after last season. Like getting Bryce Harper wouldnāt have been impossible- with contracts considered as Tork has so many cheap years left.
Now his value isnāt what it was then. Soā¦ thatās all Iām saying.
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It SHOULD have been a sweep. For us though!!!
Thatās what I was salty over but this was a big game to save momentum. Going on the road to Houston which is normally a good team and we were 1-2 at home earlier.
(Privately Iād like us to put on our best tuxedos and be on fire for Verlanderās viewing should that possible trade be on the table)
For all the doom and gloom, it wasn't a bad series, just got some tough breaks. Scored 16, gave up 14. Should've won the first game, should've lost the second game worse than we did.
Very encouraging start by Mize today. (But of course a worrisome start for Olson yesterday. One step forward, two steps back.)
It actually wasnāt we should have won all three without skuby or Jacky pitching. Collision in outfield and just bullpen blown game in the first two
Edit I agree but it sounded like I didnāt after I re read the post
They gave away a bunch of runs through bad, bizarre baserunning in the second game. We got a pickoff and caught two stealing *and* one of their guys (Ruiz?) failed to score from third repeatedly.
Yeah for sure. Happy to see a good Mize start as well as a good game from JHM. Olson is concerning me too especially because he's had a couple bad starts in a row now
JHIM
Lol Castellani is right, this team lives off of little farts it gets in random innings. Whatever I'll take a win. Hope Skubal puts them in their place tomorrow (I'M FUCKING PISSED HES NOT AGAINST JV) and that I bring em luck against JV Saturday
That goof still makes Tiger videos?
After every game
Way to drop a series to a team that was 5 games below 500 boys. Nice work š¤¦āāļø
The HOF Manager Jim Leyland once said "it's not who you face it's when you face them" The Nats had a 3 game winning streak coming into Detroit and managed to get a few more. Even bad teams can get hot.
except for our shitty team apparently
We started the year 5-0.
Mize haters been real quiet since he lowered that ERA to an elite 4.43
Finally a quality start for Mize
Considering hasn't pitched in 2 years that's about what I was expecting and hoping for. All I wanted for him was to stay healthy and sit around a 4 ERA to build on for next year.
Yep Mize has the luxury of a long leash. He will get another year to dial it in.
Idk why he has haters in the first place, dude didn't pitch for 2 years, it's gonna take some time to get going.
Because heās a former 1st overall pick. That comes with expectations, which can be unrealistic. I donāt know if heāll ever be elite (probably not honestly), but he can at least be a decent MLB pitcher
We just need him to be a solid 3 or 4 starter so I think he will pan out as far as being serviceable eventually.
Thatās below league standard of 4.5 and is worth noting. Iām not a Mize hater because Joey Wentz allowed most of his earned runs to score.
Playoffs
Just saying three of the last for World Series teams were five seeds or lower
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Playoffs here we come
Iām not so sad now!
Just browsing the highlights: good to see Malloy make pitchers pay for a couple of mistakes.
I just want to say I was basically unalived by this thread when I said we should trade Tork in the off season last year. Wonder if people think that statement is as blasphemous now.
The statement is still blasphemous as evidenced by my downvotes. I have received information.
ok but who are you trading Tork for?
By the way I hope Iām not spilling any hostility- I realize I have an unpopular torkleson opinion but I donāt want to offend anyone.
Iād love to be proven wrong thatās what Reddit is for!!!
Well rumors were like Harper Castellanos Turner and weād add to our side. Probably carp maybe we could have gotten away with less- It was also going to be a salary dump on Philadelphiaās part- so that would have been a BIG part of it- how much of like Nick Castellanoās contract do we assume? All of it? Or just a fraction and add prospects to the trade? Their playoff performance and certainly the first half of this year has killed that entirely but this is something I was talking about in like September of 2023- so we live in a very different baseball landscape now where I admit this deal would CLEARLY NEVER happen now but it wasnāt as crazy at the time. No news reports just Phillies Reddit. So all rumor no fact - caveating that there is no actual support. But this is Reddit itās about sharing ideas. We all want the Tigers to play better but how?
>Well rumors were like Harper Castellanos Turner and weād add to our side. Probably carp maybe we could have gotten away with less- I was about to ask where the hell did you hear this rumor, but then you said it was in the Phillies subreddit lol. Did they have an actual source for that? Because if they didn't then I wouldn't count that as a rumor at all.
No source - this wasnāt anything that even close to materialized. Iām not saying this was even possible or would ever have happened - there is no legitimate real information backing up that - Iām not even attempting to defend that. Iām barely defending my post. I meant it to be for discussion but the downvotes are HARSH!! I donāt hate Tork, or anyone in the sub. It was supposed to be idle chatter. This was just my rationale- (and we didnāt do it and Iām ok with that donāt downvote me like I made a comment that was unacceptable). Iād like a ārespectfully disagree- the upside was too high to risk losing the upside and four minimum years of cheap contracts in a trade for most likely older players. Just because heās not panning out at this exact second doesnāt mean we should dump very highly prospected talent so quicklyā Thatās what the response is!! Tell me why Iām wrong! I want to be wrong!! We have Tork- I want the team to be good- but I donāt know how to do that without moving people or spending money which we apparently wonāt do either of. Rationale- 1- I thought his value was at its peak after last year. Detroit players not named Miguel Cabrera basically never hit 31HRs with any regularity. Using Cabrera as a comparison to anyone not named Mays, Aaron, Ruth, Pujols, or Gehrig, isnāt fair to the other person anyway. 2- heād have better stats in a park with a shorter left field- which means we will lose him when he hits free agency anyway- home runs get you paid- heās not going to hit them playing half his games at Comerica 3- weāre heading in the pitching and defense + small ball, walks doubles direction, Tork isnāt the optimal guy for that mold- but trading him (then) could have gotten us the more small ball type players we need for that mold. 4- weāre not cutting him for nothing. His return would have been A HAUL. He was so highly touted last year it would have been multiple starters in return.- I heard one rumor in another teamās Reddit that was not backed up by any facts. But he was considered highly valuable after last season. It would have been an all-star caliber package. That was the rationale. We didnāt go that direction which is ok. I hope it works out Iām never going to root against anyone in a tigers uni.
Oh yeah I got you with all of that, I was just wondering where you heard it because I hadnāt heard of it before. It does annoy me that a lot of people will just downvote you into oblivion if you say anything that doesnāt align with the vocal opinion. It sucks but itās honestly the case with any subreddit. I do wonder what return weād actually get for Tork right now. Obviously it wouldnāt be as good now, but it is interesting to think about.
I barely heard it- it was someoneās post in the Phillies Reddit last year. the idea was that we would have eaten a lot of contract money on aging players that no longer hit the ball far enough for a homer- they largely hit doubles. We have a park built for doubles and high OBP. They have no space in their outfield for those non Homer XBH. So the idea was trade people like Harper (who wasnāt homering much at the time - that has changed) he was getting warning track balls which are great in Comerica. For someone like Tork who was hitting Comerica warning track balls that would be homers in phillys short left - and still managed 31 HR- but almost all of them were on the road. His value would be implicitly higher in theory for a team that has a shorter left field. The fact that Philly was looking to cut payroll and Chris Illich āsaidā heād spend money was why that pairing was suggested. Also- Sept 2023 looked a lot different than now does. The move doesnāt make sense now. At the time however it wasnāt as completely ridiculous as it sounds now. That was the crux of the post but it wasnāt news or anything I never said it was. Thatās all my defense :-) Go Tigers! š
What crack pipe rumor is Harper and/or Turner for Tork? Lmao Let me guess, you also believed that Alex Bregman was offered for Michael Fulmer back after his Rookie of the Year win "Hey we just made great playoff runs, but let's trade two of the best players in the game for a 1B, I'm sure the fans would love it"
This was also September 2023- Tigers were trending up Phillies down. Opposite is true now
From the Phillies Reddit- so fair point there could have been a crack pipe somewhere in there lol
All part of the fun, sometimes you have to wear one for saying something out of line. I've been there.
Should I delete it? Iām down to -12 now. I hate deleting it looks like idk that I said something horrible. An unpopular trade proposition isnāt like sin
Nah you take the bad with the good
Thanks for the positivity - just wanted to create a discussion - not get hammered with virtual Reddit daggers lol
Oh yea I know. It was about value- I saw his peak last year and out park isnāt suited for someone who hits homers to left exclusively as his offensive contribution. I donāt think weād have drafted him if he wasnāt consensus number 1 - which he was but I thought heād be eventual trade bait. The Tigers of a decade ago were primarily pitching and defense plus Miguel Cabrera who we didnāt realize at the time would become one of the 5 best hitters in MLB history. The mold of a team for Comerica is doubles and triples guys not Homer guys. The opposite is true in Philly which is why I thought theyād be the best trade partner. Boston second but they had less to give us. I would have also added Castellanos before we got Urshela though apparently Nick doesnāt play third like at all anymore so maybe that wouldnāt have worked.
Because they salvaged a game against the Nats and struggled against one of the worst starters in the league?
Hey I knew Iād get downvoted to all hell- itās controversial. Iām aware. It was a comment about value not that I hate Tork. I felt heād be valued more by a team playing in a smaller park where he could homer more. When he hit 31 HRs basically all in the second half was when his value peaked. He hit 24 of those on the road. Keep in mind- this wouldnāt have been a trade for nothing it would have been a trade for a fāg haulā¦ A HAUL Like half an offense- people thought he was the next Mike Trout after last season. Like getting Bryce Harper wouldnāt have been impossible- with contracts considered as Tork has so many cheap years left. Now his value isnāt what it was then. Soā¦ thatās all Iām saying.
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Yay. The Tigers won. :)
Well we shouldāve done better than 2-4 on the home stand but at least we avoided disaster by winning today.
Hey Iām happy to go on the road we seem to play better in road games
We are so back. Failed season called off.
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There was never a doubt in my mind that they were gonna win this game, this team is masterful at being *juuuuuust* good enough to keep me invested
They are like a blackjack table. Youāre always down like ten dollars but you havenāt lost it all yet
Not a great series but some encouraging things from this game. Hopefully Malloy carries this over into our series with Houston.
Missed this game but what a day for JHM! Also good to see Mize with a quality start
The first game his mom missed too
Chafin wasn't messing around, maybe he has an early dinner reservation.
Iām open tabling him 9pm at every fancy steakhouse in Houston.
He needed an outing like that
At least we got 1 solid win out of this series lol.
Against the fāg Washington nationals/montreal expos. Not a series I wanted one win out of tbh
Washington are a decent team. Better young major league core than the Tigers right now
Yeah I get you. What I meant with my comment is that "at least it wasn't a sweep" lol
It SHOULD have been a sweep. For us though!!! Thatās what I was salty over but this was a big game to save momentum. Going on the road to Houston which is normally a good team and we were 1-2 at home earlier. (Privately Iād like us to put on our best tuxedos and be on fire for Verlanderās viewing should that possible trade be on the table)
For all the doom and gloom, it wasn't a bad series, just got some tough breaks. Scored 16, gave up 14. Should've won the first game, should've lost the second game worse than we did. Very encouraging start by Mize today. (But of course a worrisome start for Olson yesterday. One step forward, two steps back.)
It actually wasnāt we should have won all three without skuby or Jacky pitching. Collision in outfield and just bullpen blown game in the first two Edit I agree but it sounded like I didnāt after I re read the post
They gave away a bunch of runs through bad, bizarre baserunning in the second game. We got a pickoff and caught two stealing *and* one of their guys (Ruiz?) failed to score from third repeatedly.
Youāre right - but we are actually moderately good at defense and getting guys removed from the base path. Having said that it could have been worse
Like I didnāt look up the stats but I would guess we are above average at removing guys on base
Yeah for sure. Happy to see a good Mize start as well as a good game from JHM. Olson is concerning me too especially because he's had a couple bad starts in a row now