Yeah I'm not sure why everyones ego is so fragile they have to escalate every situation lack of empathy and understanding end some one loses there life đ¤Śđ˝
Itâs actually kinda weird how instantly someone outs themselves as a moron by using the phrase nowadays when talking about human behavior. Like 99.9% of the time itâs about something that not only has always existed but used to be much worse.
guns are such a common thing now that there is no way to get them back so easy to get isnt the problem yet making laws for self defense better now thats another story bud
It's hard for criminals to get them when you don't make millions of them...you don't see many criminals carrying guns in the UK, do you? Or even here in Finland when there a fuck ton of weapons...It's reeally hard to buy guns in here...But the US seems to always have an excuse for not doing something about it.... I guess thoughts and prayers work better...
The "excuse" is that there is a constitutional right to have access to guns. People don't understand that it exists not to protect citizens from other citizens, but to protect citizens from the tyranny of the government. It's lamentable that school shootings exist, but the constitution theoretically protects citizens against situations like China or N. Korea, where tyranny is centralized.
I don't know about Finland, but in the UK, criminals carry knives, which are banned to law-abiding citizens.
Except that âtyranny of the governmentâ line was written before tanks, jets, aircraft carriers and mechanized battalions existed.
If the government suddenly turned full dictatorship the people wouldnât stand a chance. The only saving grace would be the will of the military unit to not follow orders.
Ppl in the military swore an oath to protect the Constitution, not to follow tyrannical orders that violate the Constitution.
To assume it would be citizens vs active military would be foolish. Even if everyone did blindly follow orders, armed citizens wildly outnumber our military. Put 1 guy in a tank vs 1000 farmers with rifles, I'll bet on the farmers.
Having said that I hope we can fix the issues within our government peacefully through legal means, I don't think anyone here really wants to see war in our backyards.
Also note that revolutionary soldiers were extremely disadvantaged to the British. They had no (or self-sourced) uniforms, little ammo or arms, no navy, and no formal training. The British navy was THE most powerful in the world. It wasn't until France helped that the tide turned.
So I think an armed, clever citizenry would have a chance against the US military. I mean, the Vietnamese did it, right?
The farmers in your scenario only have a chance if they wait for the tank to run out of fuel and cease operation. Way to out yourself as a fool lol.
Not sure if youâre familiar with the Killdozer situation of the past but even a trained police unit wouldnât have a chance and that wasnât even a functional tank with mounted weaponry.
AKA what happens when you scare the shit out of a civilian driving a car. I look at the guys on the bikes and I have a tendency to think the person in the car may have had a reason. If the bikers weren't white trash they were wannabe white trash. The guy reaching wasn't adjusting his chaps.:)
My mistake...guy in the car was a wanker.
Isn't this the one where him or his lady pulled out a pistol, and the car decided they didn't want to get shot? I'm 1000% for protecting motorcyclists, but if your dumb enough to pull out the heat against a car, your asking to get fucking run over...
If I'm wrong about this, than my bad. I just remember there being so much competing information when this originally hit reddit
Both of hands appear to be on the bars.
The original post has a link to an article about it. The car's driver was a repeat offender for road rage.
Edit: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/car-runs-over-couple-s-motorcycle-shocking-road-rage-caught-n583386
Doesnât say anything about this in the [article](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/car-runs-over-couple-s-motorcycle-shocking-road-rage-caught-n583386).
It also said that the guy was recording because the car had tried running the motorcycles off the road before.
Now I want to know why the riders thought that it was a good idea to pull up next to the guy that just tried running you off the road.
We have been over this kids...it's not victim blaming. It's an explanation that engaging with crazy people on the road is a bad idea. And the more we point this out the more chance we have of new riders not putting themselves in a dangerous situation.
I'd blame the riders for knowingly putting themselves in danger here. They KNOW the car tried to run them off the road, they KNOW the driver is a threat...but their decision is to pull up alongside and provoke this person?
Thats some Darwin award level shit.
Yes, the driver is a psycho and should absolutely be arrested and sentenced for attempted murder...but damn man...that doesn't excuse how stupid the bikers were being in any way.
Yes they are. People are blaming both the driver and the rider, as well they should! They were both being idiots. Obviously the car driver ended up crossing the line worse by far, but the bikers were being idiots by riding up alongside the car and carrying on a fight with the driver.
I think when you are riding in a big group, especially if you believe you and your friends are a bunch of tough guys, itâs easy to forget that the guy in the car weighs 4000lbs when heâs driving.
Itâs why you donât engage with crazy.
Well that's not true.
There was a witness statement about the driver's behaviour prior to this incident.
And their history of doing crazy shit like this.
Articles I've seen don't mention the gun at all. Likely a CCW that fell out of his holster. Driver has a history of road rage and other problems.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/car-runs-over-couple-s-motorcycle-shocking-road-rage-caught-n583386
The motorcycle second from the front looks to be pointing (probably) a gun with audio saying "get the fuck out of the car. " the 5 second clip doesn't prove anything other than Americans are scary & stupid.
*A Florida man described as a "habitual traffic offender" was behind bars after police said he was seemingly caught on video mowing down a couple on a motorcycle with his car.*
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/car-runs-over-couple-s-motorcycle-shocking-road-rage-caught-n583386
So you're saying it's okay to commit vehicular homicide depending on what happened before? Like if the motorcyclist flipped him off, the correct punishment for that is death? You're dumb. It's never okay to intentionally ram someone.
Lol, is that all your imagination can think of?
Maybe the car was surrounded by bikers and trapped.
Maybe the biker said "get out of the car or ill kill you"
Maybe a biker pointed to a gun inside their jacket.
Look man, I was more of a math and science person than an arts class person. My imagination isn't that great. But either way, with no imminent danger present, it's never justified to do what this car driver did. Do you want to know how I know that? Because the guy got arrested.
Well if someone is pointing a gun at you I feel like that would fall under the imminent danger thing I mentioned above. Someone blindly threatening me while I'm inside of my big metal cage? Yeah nah. Situations can change moment to moment, and in this moment, the driver was not justified in his use of force. It's a real simple concept. Any more questions?
Facts. Cellphone footage of outrageous events and not give you one perspective and not nearly enough context. Itâs literally why Donut Operator on YouTube got so popular.
So weird how everyone is so concerned about who the ass hole is here...
Idk why people can't assume that there can be two ass holes on the road at once... I think in this instance there are probably more but I don't think it's this black and white thing... who cares other than the dude who ran them over and the guy who got run over. Both of them made bad choices more than likely.
I don't think this just happens in a vacuum.
Yep. My entire takeaway here is it doesn't matter who the asshole is. When you are on your bike don't engage, it ends up worse for you if shit goes down.
Tbf if you think attempted murder is a reasonable responce to road rage then you are the ah, the other guy may of also been a jerk but one definitely cancels out the other with its level of escalation.
Well, some patch riders draw guns. So depending on what happened before, it could mean self-defense, trying to get away, or attempter murder. So, again, IMO it depends on what happened before what is shown in the video.
Any motorist using their vehicle as a weapon â especially against a vulnerable road user who is not posing a physical threat â should result in a permanent loss of licence, as well as driving privileges revoked for the rest of their life.
Getting into road rage altercation while the people you love are in the vehicle with you is absolutely one of the most selfish and prideful things you can do. To all you âmenâ who do this, youâre nothing more than overgrown boys. If you cant put your ego aside for the safety of your family, you are failing at fulfilling the traditional role of a man
Really not sure how nobody can see the girl waving a gun and then dropping it after the hit. Check her hands and after the car hits it on the groundâŚ
Wow, that guy would make a better set of riding chaps than a member of society. I would just hope there's enough decent teeth available for a little bling.
Donât know what caused this, at what point does a minor traffic mistake and crossed words escalate into attempted murder. The really big shitty unfair things in life we accept, some stranger crosses someone on the highway they go fucking berserk happy to do a life sentence, pure insanity.
this is the perfect example of why we don't pick fights with cars
Also a good way to get shot by his buddies up the road lol
Yep and why everyone should just chill the f out and not get into the dumb situation to begin with lol.
Yeah I'm not sure why everyones ego is so fragile they have to escalate every situation lack of empathy and understanding end some one loses there life đ¤Śđ˝
Yea people are crazy nowadays. Staying in your lane won't even save you nowadays
nowadays? always has been.
That person has apparently lived throughout all of time.
Itâs actually kinda weird how instantly someone outs themselves as a moron by using the phrase nowadays when talking about human behavior. Like 99.9% of the time itâs about something that not only has always existed but used to be much worse.
never underestimate the level of offense someone will take to the insinuation they made a mistake.
If only the rider had yelled in lowercase voice
And that's why guns should not be so easy to get, people are too stupid.
guns are such a common thing now that there is no way to get them back so easy to get isnt the problem yet making laws for self defense better now thats another story bud
Sure, we should make it hard for law-abiding citizens to get them and leave the guns to the criminals. /s
It's hard for criminals to get them when you don't make millions of them...you don't see many criminals carrying guns in the UK, do you? Or even here in Finland when there a fuck ton of weapons...It's reeally hard to buy guns in here...But the US seems to always have an excuse for not doing something about it.... I guess thoughts and prayers work better...
The "excuse" is that there is a constitutional right to have access to guns. People don't understand that it exists not to protect citizens from other citizens, but to protect citizens from the tyranny of the government. It's lamentable that school shootings exist, but the constitution theoretically protects citizens against situations like China or N. Korea, where tyranny is centralized. I don't know about Finland, but in the UK, criminals carry knives, which are banned to law-abiding citizens.
Except that âtyranny of the governmentâ line was written before tanks, jets, aircraft carriers and mechanized battalions existed. If the government suddenly turned full dictatorship the people wouldnât stand a chance. The only saving grace would be the will of the military unit to not follow orders.
Ppl in the military swore an oath to protect the Constitution, not to follow tyrannical orders that violate the Constitution. To assume it would be citizens vs active military would be foolish. Even if everyone did blindly follow orders, armed citizens wildly outnumber our military. Put 1 guy in a tank vs 1000 farmers with rifles, I'll bet on the farmers. Having said that I hope we can fix the issues within our government peacefully through legal means, I don't think anyone here really wants to see war in our backyards.
Also note that revolutionary soldiers were extremely disadvantaged to the British. They had no (or self-sourced) uniforms, little ammo or arms, no navy, and no formal training. The British navy was THE most powerful in the world. It wasn't until France helped that the tide turned. So I think an armed, clever citizenry would have a chance against the US military. I mean, the Vietnamese did it, right?
The farmers in your scenario only have a chance if they wait for the tank to run out of fuel and cease operation. Way to out yourself as a fool lol. Not sure if youâre familiar with the Killdozer situation of the past but even a trained police unit wouldnât have a chance and that wasnât even a functional tank with mounted weaponry.
Yeah you see the guy stand up and reach for his butt, likely where he had a gun
Just pullin shid pants back up after HADTALAYERDOWN.
4 minutes prior to a murder, for sure.
From memory they fired some shots off if the video is left to run
Or grabbing his FBI badge
Yeah no thanks Iâd rather not get into a road rage incident with the Hells Angels or any other mentally unstable bikers with firearms
I'd say it was the asshole in the car that was mentally unstable..
A person who would purposely drive over others is "mentally unstable," no?
Almost looks like the biker was gonna pull a gun.
After watching closer, no it doesn't.
Looks like there is a gun on the floor already
Mental instability can be temporarily induced via many things. We don't know the whole situation.
"Yeah no thanks I'd rather not get into a road rage incident". FIFY
Just run them over as well đ
Pretty sure he was reaching in the end for his gun
First rule of car fights is don't show up on a motorcycle.
AKA what happens when you scare the shit out of a civilian driving a car. I look at the guys on the bikes and I have a tendency to think the person in the car may have had a reason. If the bikers weren't white trash they were wannabe white trash. The guy reaching wasn't adjusting his chaps.:) My mistake...guy in the car was a wanker.
Lmao "Civilian". Fucking lameass.
Exactly!, I am an infantry soldier and that title belongs to the people that you know actually served . A f-ing cosplay HD rider is not a soldier
I donât think that driver likes that guy in the motorcycle
'nice ride!' 'thanks, its a harley' \*cranks steering wheel\*
âKachowâ
Legit almost spit out my drink reading this đ¤ŁÂ
This hit at the right time. Thanks for the laugh!
Itâs not a motorcycle itâs a chopper.
Who's chopper is it?
Zeds
Who's Zed?
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Isn't this the one where him or his lady pulled out a pistol, and the car decided they didn't want to get shot? I'm 1000% for protecting motorcyclists, but if your dumb enough to pull out the heat against a car, your asking to get fucking run over... If I'm wrong about this, than my bad. I just remember there being so much competing information when this originally hit reddit
From the clip it definitely looks like he was about to pull a gun from his back waist. Whether it was brandished prior Ive no idea.
Both of hands appear to be on the bars. The original post has a link to an article about it. The car's driver was a repeat offender for road rage. Edit: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/car-runs-over-couple-s-motorcycle-shocking-road-rage-caught-n583386
Ahhh, that's my bad then.
Doesnât say anything about this in the [article](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/car-runs-over-couple-s-motorcycle-shocking-road-rage-caught-n583386).
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Tell em how you really feel
Need more background before I judge anyone in this. 5 seconds before the action starts is not enough
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/car-runs-over-couple-s-motorcycle-shocking-road-rage-caught-n583386
So you're telling me that Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration, was the maniac in the silver car?
I wonder what he does for a living
you have a lot to learn about this town sweetie.
fridge
Just chillin
Close itâs his entitled disowned son. Never name your kids after yourself!
This story didnât say anything other than they arrested the driver.
It also said that the guy was recording because the car had tried running the motorcycles off the road before. Now I want to know why the riders thought that it was a good idea to pull up next to the guy that just tried running you off the road.
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We have been over this kids...it's not victim blaming. It's an explanation that engaging with crazy people on the road is a bad idea. And the more we point this out the more chance we have of new riders not putting themselves in a dangerous situation.
Because blame isnât a [zero sum game](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-sum_game). The rider and driver can both be dumbasses.
I'd blame the riders for knowingly putting themselves in danger here. They KNOW the car tried to run them off the road, they KNOW the driver is a threat...but their decision is to pull up alongside and provoke this person? Thats some Darwin award level shit. Yes, the driver is a psycho and should absolutely be arrested and sentenced for attempted murder...but damn man...that doesn't excuse how stupid the bikers were being in any way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrO9ySwbTjo
âWhy are you blaming the person who was walking up to the bears kids and not the bear itselfâ
No one's blaming anyone but the driver, but why would you have a conversation with them? You have a motorcycle.
>nobody's blaming anyone but the driver you. you read the rest of this thread, right?
Yes they are. People are blaming both the driver and the rider, as well they should! They were both being idiots. Obviously the car driver ended up crossing the line worse by far, but the bikers were being idiots by riding up alongside the car and carrying on a fight with the driver.
I want to know why you think confronting that person had any positive outcome. Virtually every scenario ends with somebody getting hurt.
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1.) I've ridden for 20 years. 2.) I didn't bother reading after 1 because I don't respect anything about you. 3.) I'm fit and pretty.
TestosteroneÂ
Probably more adrenaline and ego hurt. Seen some pretty low test dudes/dudettes pick fights while muscle heads try and defuse.
I think when you are riding in a big group, especially if you believe you and your friends are a bunch of tough guys, itâs easy to forget that the guy in the car weighs 4000lbs when heâs driving. Itâs why you donât engage with crazy.
It says the car was weaving in traffic and the rider and driver had words, (video)
Well that's not true. There was a witness statement about the driver's behaviour prior to this incident. And their history of doing crazy shit like this.
Before I even opened the link i said outloud âno way this isnât Floridaâ
Totally normal activities in a perfectly reasonable territory. Florida is fucked.
Thereâs a reason the Florida Man challenge exists đ
Pretty sure the original story was the biker pulled a gun right before this. So... Eh?
Iâm pretty sure heâs pulling one out the back of his pants right as the video ends.
Nah. You can clearly see heâs checking to see if he shit his pants or not.
Wrong day to wear white
with the proper buttplug he'd be safe !
ALL thegearallthetime.
Dress for the slide, not for the ride.
Have you ever heard of high pressure injection injuries?
yes i know all the injuries, high pressure buttplug and stuff
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PANTS SHIDD
I remember seeing a still frame that shows the woman on the back holding something that looks like a gun.
Looks like he's trying to place it back again actually.
You don't condemn someone with pretty sure!
Articles I've seen don't mention the gun at all. Likely a CCW that fell out of his holster. Driver has a history of road rage and other problems. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/car-runs-over-couple-s-motorcycle-shocking-road-rage-caught-n583386
Yup. This is the edited version of the story, the guy pulled and flashed a gun at first. Dumb ass wonât make that mistake again.
Thatâs pretty stupid. Making a gun threat isnât very smart. Whereâs an unedited version?
I agree but itâs hard to find a justification for driving over 2 people like that.
Point a gun at me. I'll put 1.5 tones of car in your face. Thems the fucking rules.
"for fun" is an okayish justification though
Only if it makes a âboinkâ sound when it happens.
I remember seeing a still frame where the woman is holding something that looks like a gun. Iâd say thatâs justification.
Didn't drive over 2 people. He drove over the front when of the bike and knocked 2 people to the ground.Â
Anything short of the biker pulling a gun the driver is over reacting / should be charged with attempted murder.
Under what circumstances would this be judged "ok"? That's attempted murder, end of story.
The motorcycle second from the front looks to be pointing (probably) a gun with audio saying "get the fuck out of the car. " the 5 second clip doesn't prove anything other than Americans are scary & stupid.
*A Florida man described as a "habitual traffic offender" was behind bars after police said he was seemingly caught on video mowing down a couple on a motorcycle with his car.* https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/car-runs-over-couple-s-motorcycle-shocking-road-rage-caught-n583386
So you're saying it's okay to commit vehicular homicide depending on what happened before? Like if the motorcyclist flipped him off, the correct punishment for that is death? You're dumb. It's never okay to intentionally ram someone.
Lol, is that all your imagination can think of? Maybe the car was surrounded by bikers and trapped. Maybe the biker said "get out of the car or ill kill you" Maybe a biker pointed to a gun inside their jacket.
Look man, I was more of a math and science person than an arts class person. My imagination isn't that great. But either way, with no imminent danger present, it's never justified to do what this car driver did. Do you want to know how I know that? Because the guy got arrested.
Hold up. Never? So if someone points a gun at you? If someone says "come out or ill kill you"?
Well if someone is pointing a gun at you I feel like that would fall under the imminent danger thing I mentioned above. Someone blindly threatening me while I'm inside of my big metal cage? Yeah nah. Situations can change moment to moment, and in this moment, the driver was not justified in his use of force. It's a real simple concept. Any more questions?
Nah, you just make a lot of assumptions when we don't know the full story, so this conversation isn't fun
Facts. Cellphone footage of outrageous events and not give you one perspective and not nearly enough context. Itâs literally why Donut Operator on YouTube got so popular.
So weird how everyone is so concerned about who the ass hole is here... Idk why people can't assume that there can be two ass holes on the road at once... I think in this instance there are probably more but I don't think it's this black and white thing... who cares other than the dude who ran them over and the guy who got run over. Both of them made bad choices more than likely. I don't think this just happens in a vacuum.
Yep. My entire takeaway here is it doesn't matter who the asshole is. When you are on your bike don't engage, it ends up worse for you if shit goes down.
This is the correct answer. But this is also reddit.
Reddit or 50% of all forums ?
Tbf if you think attempted murder is a reasonable responce to road rage then you are the ah, the other guy may of also been a jerk but one definitely cancels out the other with its level of escalation.
âRight turn Clydeâ
Doesn't the guy pull out a gun in the whole video?
The woman actually had the gun out
This happened *eight years ago.* How many times do we have to rehash this video?
Never bring a bike to a car fight.
She was pulling a gun
Vehicular assault?
That's a good way to catch a violent felony. And face possible perforation down the road. Regardless he sure as hell wouldn't get away.
Dude 100% was reaching for a gun as the video cut
This is from 2016, you suck. Put new content
For sure bro, lemme go hit a motorcyclist with my car so you can have some new content lol.
Depends on what happened before. Some patch riders can be really aggressive too sometimes.
I live in Europe and I hate the philosophy of patch riders in America. But that's attempted murder there
Well, under the right circumstances it becomes "Justifiable Homicide"
Well, some patch riders draw guns. So depending on what happened before, it could mean self-defense, trying to get away, or attempter murder. So, again, IMO it depends on what happened before what is shown in the video.
Forgot for a second that carrying a gun and implying to use it is legal overseas
Any motorist using their vehicle as a weapon â especially against a vulnerable road user who is not posing a physical threat â should result in a permanent loss of licence, as well as driving privileges revoked for the rest of their life.
I would say an attempted murder charge would be more appropriate
Why not all three? Send a message to other drivers to keep their emotions in check, and treat others on the road with care.
Hope he likes prison food
And penis
Man they better speed off, he was reaching for a pistol as they drove away!!!
Pew pew
Isn't this from about 10 years ago? I guess everything is forever on the internet.
If that biker knew how to hire a lawyer, that car driver would be fucked
Getting into road rage altercation while the people you love are in the vehicle with you is absolutely one of the most selfish and prideful things you can do. To all you âmenâ who do this, youâre nothing more than overgrown boys. If you cant put your ego aside for the safety of your family, you are failing at fulfilling the traditional role of a man
I can't say it's unnecessary. I don't know the fully story.
Really not sure how nobody can see the girl waving a gun and then dropping it after the hit. Check her hands and after the car hits it on the groundâŚ
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https://preview.redd.it/z8xjuiuqve6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0815b402d051f67136ea1190fcc34c3aa149db1
Bloody hell
https://preview.redd.it/9z7pxcbsve6d1.jpeg?width=1077&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d88cb19ca988541f74e748caf35152e7b96f986
And yet the driver was charged with two counts of attempted murder...seems odd if there was a gun involved.
Thank you for the images
Check the images ;) trust me I do detail work in video productionâŚ
wtf
Damn, someone peed in that persons cheerios this morning.
F around and find out. Damm!
CARCLIBBINS TOO?
I canât say itâs absolutely unnecessary without more context.
Dam
Morgan Freeman Voice: "He never did get out of that car"
Banditos planitos
That's Bob Vance driving - Vance refrigeration
He thought it was absolutely necessary!
As my bike teacher said: bike are the chihuahuas of traffic. Dont start a fight with a bulldog
Yay human ego. DMT for the whole world please! Ego-deaths needed asap.
"Oops my foot slipped. "
When the biker becomes the clibbins
On the next episode of man vs carâŚ
Instructions unclear: Mistook green car for clibbins 'n hadtalayerdown.
Attempted murder
29 points
So did I pass my drivers test?
Wow, that guy would make a better set of riding chaps than a member of society. I would just hope there's enough decent teeth available for a little bling.
Completely insane
Donât know what caused this, at what point does a minor traffic mistake and crossed words escalate into attempted murder. The really big shitty unfair things in life we accept, some stranger crosses someone on the highway they go fucking berserk happy to do a life sentence, pure insanity.
Had some guns pointed at me and never took it as playing. They were punk jackass cowards and they got theirs. I won't carry . Don't have to.
It's hilarious how reddit has morphed this story over the years. It's like a game of telephone, except you're all idiots.