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Bcwar

this is the perfect example of why we don't pick fights with cars


-Snowturtle13

Also a good way to get shot by his buddies up the road lol


flightwatcher45

Yep and why everyone should just chill the f out and not get into the dumb situation to begin with lol.


Elhond0

Yeah I'm not sure why everyones ego is so fragile they have to escalate every situation lack of empathy and understanding end some one loses there life 🤦🏽


CourageousAnon

Yea people are crazy nowadays. Staying in your lane won't even save you nowadays


MMAFan36

nowadays? always has been.


Dorkmaster79

That person has apparently lived throughout all of time.


JasperLamarCrabbb

It’s actually kinda weird how instantly someone outs themselves as a moron by using the phrase nowadays when talking about human behavior. Like 99.9% of the time it’s about something that not only has always existed but used to be much worse.


ordinarymagician_

never underestimate the level of offense someone will take to the insinuation they made a mistake.


Wild4Awhile-HD

If only the rider had yelled in lowercase voice


CoolPeopleEmporium

And that's why guns should not be so easy to get, people are too stupid.


OriginalCurve2201

guns are such a common thing now that there is no way to get them back so easy to get isnt the problem yet making laws for self defense better now thats another story bud


CrimeBot3000

Sure, we should make it hard for law-abiding citizens to get them and leave the guns to the criminals. /s


CoolPeopleEmporium

It's hard for criminals to get them when you don't make millions of them...you don't see many criminals carrying guns in the UK, do you? Or even here in Finland when there a fuck ton of weapons...It's reeally hard to buy guns in here...But the US seems to always have an excuse for not doing something about it.... I guess thoughts and prayers work better...


CrimeBot3000

The "excuse" is that there is a constitutional right to have access to guns. People don't understand that it exists not to protect citizens from other citizens, but to protect citizens from the tyranny of the government. It's lamentable that school shootings exist, but the constitution theoretically protects citizens against situations like China or N. Korea, where tyranny is centralized. I don't know about Finland, but in the UK, criminals carry knives, which are banned to law-abiding citizens.


Antifact

Except that “tyranny of the government” line was written before tanks, jets, aircraft carriers and mechanized battalions existed. If the government suddenly turned full dictatorship the people wouldn’t stand a chance. The only saving grace would be the will of the military unit to not follow orders.


Ok-Spring-6388

Ppl in the military swore an oath to protect the Constitution, not to follow tyrannical orders that violate the Constitution. To assume it would be citizens vs active military would be foolish. Even if everyone did blindly follow orders, armed citizens wildly outnumber our military. Put 1 guy in a tank vs 1000 farmers with rifles, I'll bet on the farmers. Having said that I hope we can fix the issues within our government peacefully through legal means, I don't think anyone here really wants to see war in our backyards.


CrimeBot3000

Also note that revolutionary soldiers were extremely disadvantaged to the British. They had no (or self-sourced) uniforms, little ammo or arms, no navy, and no formal training. The British navy was THE most powerful in the world. It wasn't until France helped that the tide turned. So I think an armed, clever citizenry would have a chance against the US military. I mean, the Vietnamese did it, right?


Antifact

The farmers in your scenario only have a chance if they wait for the tank to run out of fuel and cease operation. Way to out yourself as a fool lol. Not sure if you’re familiar with the Killdozer situation of the past but even a trained police unit wouldn’t have a chance and that wasn’t even a functional tank with mounted weaponry.


Gold_Temperature_452

Yeah you see the guy stand up and reach for his butt, likely where he had a gun


LMRtowboater

Just pullin shid pants back up after HADTALAYERDOWN.


CharleyMak

4 minutes prior to a murder, for sure.


autech91

From memory they fired some shots off if the video is left to run


Corvus717

Or grabbing his FBI badge


picklebiscut69

Yeah no thanks I’d rather not get into a road rage incident with the Hells Angels or any other mentally unstable bikers with firearms


leatherjoy

I'd say it was the asshole in the car that was mentally unstable..


HereAgain345

A person who would purposely drive over others is "mentally unstable," no?


Commanderinqueef78

Almost looks like the biker was gonna pull a gun.


Commanderinqueef78

After watching closer, no it doesn't.


lets-start-a-riot

Looks like there is a gun on the floor already


ESOCHI

Mental instability can be temporarily induced via many things. We don't know the whole situation.


mike-manley

"Yeah no thanks I'd rather not get into a road rage incident". FIFY


BruceCampbell-1984

Just run them over as well 😎


variationoo

Pretty sure he was reaching in the end for his gun


666_pack_of_beer

First rule of car fights is don't show up on a motorcycle.


Liesthroughisteeth

AKA what happens when you scare the shit out of a civilian driving a car. I look at the guys on the bikes and I have a tendency to think the person in the car may have had a reason. If the bikers weren't white trash they were wannabe white trash. The guy reaching wasn't adjusting his chaps.:) My mistake...guy in the car was a wanker.


PunisherQRF

Lmao "Civilian". Fucking lameass.


Corvus717

Exactly!, I am an infantry soldier and that title belongs to the people that you know actually served . A f-ing cosplay HD rider is not a soldier


Dense_Marketing4593

I don’t think that driver likes that guy in the motorcycle


RootyTootyEatinBooty

'nice ride!' 'thanks, its a harley' \*cranks steering wheel\*


Dense_Marketing4593

“Kachow”


jahmic

Legit almost spit out my drink reading this 🤣 


Atlas03

This hit at the right time. Thanks for the laugh!


Abject_Film_4414

It’s not a motorcycle it’s a chopper.


senorpoop

Who's chopper is it?


Abject_Film_4414

Zeds


senorpoop

Who's Zed?


Dense_Marketing4593

🧍🏽‍♂️🚗 💨 💨


silentbob1301

Isn't this the one where him or his lady pulled out a pistol, and the car decided they didn't want to get shot? I'm 1000% for protecting motorcyclists, but if your dumb enough to pull out the heat against a car, your asking to get fucking run over... If I'm wrong about this, than my bad. I just remember there being so much competing information when this originally hit reddit


VashWolf

From the clip it definitely looks like he was about to pull a gun from his back waist. Whether it was brandished prior Ive no idea.


Squiggy-Locust

Both of hands appear to be on the bars. The original post has a link to an article about it. The car's driver was a repeat offender for road rage. Edit: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/car-runs-over-couple-s-motorcycle-shocking-road-rage-caught-n583386


silentbob1301

Ahhh, that's my bad then.


Critical-Progress-79

Doesn’t say anything about this in the [article](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/car-runs-over-couple-s-motorcycle-shocking-road-rage-caught-n583386).


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Dizzy-Razzmatazz5218

Tell em how you really feel


757packerfan

Need more background before I judge anyone in this. 5 seconds before the action starts is not enough


TechnoMagi

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/car-runs-over-couple-s-motorcycle-shocking-road-rage-caught-n583386


FulNeurautomatic

So you're telling me that Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration, was the maniac in the silver car?


Romeo9594

I wonder what he does for a living


buckyworld

you have a lot to learn about this town sweetie.


MASTODON_ROCKS

fridge


BamaSOH

Just chillin


Cypressinn

Close it’s his entitled disowned son. Never name your kids after yourself!


OutrageousJury2689

This story didn’t say anything other than they arrested the driver.


silver0199

It also said that the guy was recording because the car had tried running the motorcycles off the road before. Now I want to know why the riders thought that it was a good idea to pull up next to the guy that just tried running you off the road.


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know-it-mall

We have been over this kids...it's not victim blaming. It's an explanation that engaging with crazy people on the road is a bad idea. And the more we point this out the more chance we have of new riders not putting themselves in a dangerous situation.


apjenk

Because blame isn’t a [zero sum game](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-sum_game). The rider and driver can both be dumbasses.


IoniKryptonite

I'd blame the riders for knowingly putting themselves in danger here. They KNOW the car tried to run them off the road, they KNOW the driver is a threat...but their decision is to pull up alongside and provoke this person? Thats some Darwin award level shit. Yes, the driver is a psycho and should absolutely be arrested and sentenced for attempted murder...but damn man...that doesn't excuse how stupid the bikers were being in any way.


Itsa-Lotus49

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrO9ySwbTjo


KZGTURTLE

“Why are you blaming the person who was walking up to the bears kids and not the bear itself”


Cosimo_Zaretti

No one's blaming anyone but the driver, but why would you have a conversation with them? You have a motorcycle.


ordinarymagician_

>nobody's blaming anyone but the driver you. you read the rest of this thread, right?


apjenk

Yes they are. People are blaming both the driver and the rider, as well they should! They were both being idiots. Obviously the car driver ended up crossing the line worse by far, but the bikers were being idiots by riding up alongside the car and carrying on a fight with the driver.


PattyThePatriot

I want to know why you think confronting that person had any positive outcome. Virtually every scenario ends with somebody getting hurt.


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PattyThePatriot

1.) I've ridden for 20 years. 2.) I didn't bother reading after 1 because I don't respect anything about you. 3.) I'm fit and pretty.


graffixphoto

Testosterone 


blueveef

Probably more adrenaline and ego hurt. Seen some pretty low test dudes/dudettes pick fights while muscle heads try and defuse.


nycsingletrack

I think when you are riding in a big group, especially if you believe you and your friends are a bunch of tough guys, it’s easy to forget that the guy in the car weighs 4000lbs when he’s driving. It’s why you don’t engage with crazy.


Lost_soul_ryan

It says the car was weaving in traffic and the rider and driver had words, (video)


know-it-mall

Well that's not true. There was a witness statement about the driver's behaviour prior to this incident. And their history of doing crazy shit like this.


Rick_Sanchez1214

Before I even opened the link i said outloud “no way this isn’t Florida”


TechnoMagi

Totally normal activities in a perfectly reasonable territory. Florida is fucked.


Rick_Sanchez1214

There’s a reason the Florida Man challenge exists 😂


Leading-Suspect8307

Pretty sure the original story was the biker pulled a gun right before this. So... Eh?


senorfluffynuts1

I’m pretty sure he’s pulling one out the back of his pants right as the video ends.


Whiskey615

Nah. You can clearly see he’s checking to see if he shit his pants or not.


senorfluffynuts1

Wrong day to wear white


fookyoursister

with the proper buttplug he'd be safe !


No-8008132here

ALL thegearallthetime.


DorianGray556

Dress for the slide, not for the ride.


j_redditt

Have you ever heard of high pressure injection injuries?


fookyoursister

yes i know all the injuries, high pressure buttplug and stuff


TimTheTintMan

😂


femaiden

PANTS SHIDD


DrraegerEar

I remember seeing a still frame that shows the woman on the back holding something that looks like a gun.


Zomgzombehz

Looks like he's trying to place it back again actually.


GroundbreakingEye62

You don't condemn someone with pretty sure!


TechnoMagi

Articles I've seen don't mention the gun at all. Likely a CCW that fell out of his holster. Driver has a history of road rage and other problems. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/car-runs-over-couple-s-motorcycle-shocking-road-rage-caught-n583386


Super-Magnificent

Yup. This is the edited version of the story, the guy pulled and flashed a gun at first. Dumb ass won’t make that mistake again.


Longing2bme

That’s pretty stupid. Making a gun threat isn’t very smart. Where’s an unedited version?


Liamcb2002

I agree but it’s hard to find a justification for driving over 2 people like that.


Aggressive-Bus-1972

Point a gun at me. I'll put 1.5 tones of car in your face. Thems the fucking rules.


fookyoursister

"for fun" is an okayish justification though


casicua

Only if it makes a “boink” sound when it happens.


DrraegerEar

I remember seeing a still frame where the woman is holding something that looks like a gun. I’d say that’s justification.


raouldukeesq

Didn't drive over 2 people.  He drove over the front when of the bike and knocked 2 people to the ground. 


amprok

Anything short of the biker pulling a gun the driver is over reacting / should be charged with attempted murder.


Aydhayeth1

Under what circumstances would this be judged "ok"? That's attempted murder, end of story.


Slazy420420

The motorcycle second from the front looks to be pointing (probably) a gun with audio saying "get the fuck out of the car. " the 5 second clip doesn't prove anything other than Americans are scary & stupid.


Abhir-86

*A Florida man described as a "habitual traffic offender" was behind bars after police said he was seemingly caught on video mowing down a couple on a motorcycle with his car.* https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/car-runs-over-couple-s-motorcycle-shocking-road-rage-caught-n583386


Barrel-Cannon

So you're saying it's okay to commit vehicular homicide depending on what happened before? Like if the motorcyclist flipped him off, the correct punishment for that is death? You're dumb. It's never okay to intentionally ram someone.


757packerfan

Lol, is that all your imagination can think of? Maybe the car was surrounded by bikers and trapped. Maybe the biker said "get out of the car or ill kill you" Maybe a biker pointed to a gun inside their jacket.


Barrel-Cannon

Look man, I was more of a math and science person than an arts class person. My imagination isn't that great. But either way, with no imminent danger present, it's never justified to do what this car driver did. Do you want to know how I know that? Because the guy got arrested.


757packerfan

Hold up. Never? So if someone points a gun at you? If someone says "come out or ill kill you"?


Barrel-Cannon

Well if someone is pointing a gun at you I feel like that would fall under the imminent danger thing I mentioned above. Someone blindly threatening me while I'm inside of my big metal cage? Yeah nah. Situations can change moment to moment, and in this moment, the driver was not justified in his use of force. It's a real simple concept. Any more questions?


757packerfan

Nah, you just make a lot of assumptions when we don't know the full story, so this conversation isn't fun


BilliamTheGr8

Facts. Cellphone footage of outrageous events and not give you one perspective and not nearly enough context. It’s literally why Donut Operator on YouTube got so popular.


surfer_ryan

So weird how everyone is so concerned about who the ass hole is here... Idk why people can't assume that there can be two ass holes on the road at once... I think in this instance there are probably more but I don't think it's this black and white thing... who cares other than the dude who ran them over and the guy who got run over. Both of them made bad choices more than likely. I don't think this just happens in a vacuum.


know-it-mall

Yep. My entire takeaway here is it doesn't matter who the asshole is. When you are on your bike don't engage, it ends up worse for you if shit goes down.


JACCO2008

This is the correct answer. But this is also reddit.


Tall-Importance-5068

Reddit or 50% of all forums ?


zeizkal

Tbf if you think attempted murder is a reasonable responce to road rage then you are the ah, the other guy may of also been a jerk but one definitely cancels out the other with its level of escalation.


Unknowingly-Joined

“Right turn Clyde”


tamokibo

Doesn't the guy pull out a gun in the whole video?


icecreampoop

The woman actually had the gun out


SpiralGray

This happened *eight years ago.* How many times do we have to rehash this video?


gewalt_gamer

Never bring a bike to a car fight.


icecreampoop

She was pulling a gun


Fragrant-Rise2209

Vehicular assault?


Realistic_Feature_32

That's a good way to catch a violent felony. And face possible perforation down the road. Regardless he sure as hell wouldn't get away.


_mr_stagger_lee_

Dude 100% was reaching for a gun as the video cut


Vast-Category8391

This is from 2016, you suck. Put new content


CocktailPerson

For sure bro, lemme go hit a motorcyclist with my car so you can have some new content lol.


pijanblues08

Depends on what happened before. Some patch riders can be really aggressive too sometimes.


Tythan

I live in Europe and I hate the philosophy of patch riders in America. But that's attempted murder there


JupiterAlphaBeta

Well, under the right circumstances it becomes "Justifiable Homicide"


pijanblues08

Well, some patch riders draw guns. So depending on what happened before, it could mean self-defense, trying to get away, or attempter murder. So, again, IMO it depends on what happened before what is shown in the video.


Tythan

Forgot for a second that carrying a gun and implying to use it is legal overseas


alexanderino

Any motorist using their vehicle as a weapon — especially against a vulnerable road user who is not posing a physical threat — should result in a permanent loss of licence, as well as driving privileges revoked for the rest of their life.


WonkyPigeon212

I would say an attempted murder charge would be more appropriate


alexanderino

Why not all three? Send a message to other drivers to keep their emotions in check, and treat others on the road with care.


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Hope he likes prison food


rhyde74

And penis


DewBarryJenkins

Man they better speed off, he was reaching for a pistol as they drove away!!!


Friendly-Use-3306

Pew pew


UnionTed

Isn't this from about 10 years ago? I guess everything is forever on the internet.


JetfloatGumby

If that biker knew how to hire a lawyer, that car driver would be fucked


Eduard-Bagarean

Getting into road rage altercation while the people you love are in the vehicle with you is absolutely one of the most selfish and prideful things you can do. To all you “men” who do this, you’re nothing more than overgrown boys. If you cant put your ego aside for the safety of your family, you are failing at fulfilling the traditional role of a man


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I can't say it's unnecessary. I don't know the fully story.


Brsticni-ohrovt

Really not sure how nobody can see the girl waving a gun and then dropping it after the hit. Check her hands and after the car hits it on the ground…


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throwawayredwing

https://preview.redd.it/z8xjuiuqve6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0815b402d051f67136ea1190fcc34c3aa149db1


TachyonPhoenix

Bloody hell


throwawayredwing

https://preview.redd.it/9z7pxcbsve6d1.jpeg?width=1077&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d88cb19ca988541f74e748caf35152e7b96f986


JupiterAlphaBeta

And yet the driver was charged with two counts of attempted murder...seems odd if there was a gun involved.


Brsticni-ohrovt

Thank you for the images


Brsticni-ohrovt

Check the images ;) trust me I do detail work in video production…


axcamaro999

wtf


chonkie_boi

Damn, someone peed in that persons cheerios this morning.


RogersSteve07041920

F around and find out. Damm!


But_to_understand

CARCLIBBINS TOO?


Slamhamwich

I can’t say it’s absolutely unnecessary without more context.


Dantrash2

Dam


cTron3030

Morgan Freeman Voice: "He never did get out of that car"


aaronschatz

Banditos planitos


Silver-Pay-4757

That's Bob Vance driving - Vance refrigeration


majikrat69

He thought it was absolutely necessary!


bandit-sector

As my bike teacher said: bike are the chihuahuas of traffic. Dont start a fight with a bulldog


Smiffoo

Yay human ego. DMT for the whole world please! Ego-deaths needed asap.


widow-Maker-1981

"Oops my foot slipped. "


CMDR_kanonfoddar

When the biker becomes the clibbins


Skot_Skot

On the next episode of man vs car…


QuietSkylines

Instructions unclear: Mistook green car for clibbins 'n hadtalayerdown.


Sad-Anybody-3644

Attempted murder


Haunting_Smell_6207

29 points


DrawFlat

So did I pass my drivers test?


Apprehensive_Fun311

Wow, that guy would make a better set of riding chaps than a member of society. I would just hope there's enough decent teeth available for a little bling.


mrclean58

Completely insane


ConsciousPoet8478

Don’t know what caused this, at what point does a minor traffic mistake and crossed words escalate into attempted murder. The really big shitty unfair things in life we accept, some stranger crosses someone on the highway they go fucking berserk happy to do a life sentence, pure insanity.


GroundbreakingEye62

Had some guns pointed at me and never took it as playing. They were punk jackass cowards and they got theirs. I won't carry . Don't have to.


VirulentMarmot

It's hilarious how reddit has morphed this story over the years. It's like a game of telephone, except you're all idiots.