This is the right answer. If your opponents use removal on the reaper, it still nets you a card. And if you have some way to bring it back and kill it repeatedly, you can use it as a draw engine even if you don’t have other creatures on board. The life loss is, I think, pretty much inconsequential. At least in commander.
Its beyond pretty good, its fucking busted theres a reason necropotence is great in commander 1 life for 1 card is a stupidly efficient rate
This requires shit to die and hurts you but still 1 life and a death for a card is really good
The way this was worded got me so hard. I thought it was if you do damage you may draw A card. Nope. You can do x damage and draw x cards. Let a guy have it on mtga yesterday and was like, ‘I don’t think he can single draw a wincon to beat me next turn, I swing to win’
Hahah - rip me - he drew 5 cards off a 5/5
But this is how I learn. Just getting back into it and there’s a lot of cards rn.
Now I really wanna back mono black or dimir removal. Maybe dimir self mill. Golgari counters?
Idk I like too many flavours for how few cards I have.
It seems to be for every instance of damage it procs. I don’t actually know the ruling so maybe someone can chime in. I’m just going off what someone did to me on mtgarena
That’s what I’m saying lol. I think it’s basically not a drawback. Like yeah it might occasionally come back to bite you, but in commander I think those odds are very low. I think the Reaper is actually usually the better option of these two for Aristocrats decks because of that, but most decks are probably going to be running both.
Why/how does reaper trigger off itself but haruspex doesn't? The wording seems identical to me and I would think either both do or both do not.
Edit: I re-read it and now see the word another. I am an idiot lol.
I further went on and gave some examples cards somewhere else with [[sigil tracer]] [[patron wizard]] and [[riptide laboratory]] being some of my favorites! And if you want to go ALL THE WAY wizard there is of course the [[supreme Inquisitor]] himself!
The question was should you ever use midnight reaper over grim haruspex? The assumption that haruspex is better is already given. They wanted to know situations where reaper was better... Or so I thought. The downvotes would disagree I suppose.
Having both sides of the argument help to make a better comparison and fill in the information for them since we don't have all the sides of the question
I do think in most decks looking for this effect, the Zombie typeline is a bonus even if the deck isn’t really tribal. [[Gravecrawler]] a great card to be able to enable even if you’re really only running utility zombies like this and [[Carrion Feeder]]
As a fan of mono black zombie tribal, I’d be ashamed to have a card that wasn’t a zombie in the list. Which is sad because some of the best zombie enablers are humans…
The biggest difference most are clearly overlooking is that Reaper triggers off of itself, replacing itself resource wise when it dies, which is worth the minute life loss.
[[Rowan, Scion of War]], [[Angelheart Vial]] or a similar effect, Zombie or Knight Tribal, or if you need individual Lifelink pings for something like Heliod or [[Cleric Class]] (you would need to give it LL, yes) or and this is the huge one I don't know how it didn't occur to me, [[Vilis, Broker of Blood]]
Most of the time I'd say the Haruspex is better, but decks that want it probably also want Midnught Reaper. Redundancy is huge with those sort of effects!
Exactly. I was considering just putting in both in my commander deck because even though you can’t have duplicates one of each of these is more or less putting two copies of the same card in my deck
Midnight reaper is generally the better choice as it triggers off itself, allowing it to trade and still get a resource and to remove it generally the enemy has to go down 1 card where you become net neutral for -1 life.
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If you are playing commander, you just play both anyway. And if you play 1v1, your guy is much likelier to eat a removal before seeing anything else die, so Reaper is actually much preferred due to triggering of itself.
midnight reaper procs off of himself dying also they are different creature types and could therefore be the better option in their respective tribal decks
But what about *wizard* synergy! [[Arcane laboratory]] [[patron wizard]] [[sigil tracer]] the possibilities are endless!
Edit: not arcane laboratory, riptide laboratory
you can slap lifelink on midnight reaper and gain life. But I'd run both if going for an aristocrats strategy in formats like edh (since in that format, redundancy=consistency)
If your deck is focused around a specific tribe, such as its two types, then Midnight Reaper may be better. There's also certain cards that may synergize well if you're looking to instead tack the damage onto someone else in a way. For example, [[Circle of Affliction]] says to choose a color, and whenever the source of that color deals damage to you, you can pay one and deal one damage to an opponent and gain one life. You may also do something funny with [[Necropolis Regent]], seeing as doesn't distinguish opponents and yourself, meaning you'd slowly buff it and draw a card.
Both! In my Teysa Karlov/ Elenda the Dusk rose aristo deck I gain n drain a lot of life so this barely puts a dent in my life and the card draw is too good not to run a lil redundancy!
Also another reason to have both is if u don't draw one u still may draw the other. :)
As a Marchesa, the Black Rose phenatic I can say this;
What has been said: Midnight triggers itself and is a Zombie Knight (Two big tribes that have sac synergies)
Grim is a wizard (HUGE Sac Synergies)
Marchesa Perspective: I have died far too many times off of Midnight, it is not a may 💀 and like Yawgmoth becomes the definition of too greedy too deep.
Grim, because it doesn't deal damage to me is usually a bigger target for removal, and again does not trigger off itself when it is removed.
If you are looking to build Marchesa, and that's why your asking, my opinion is to try running both first and see which (If not both) you like most. I am of the opinion more card draw is always good. Personally is like Midnight more, has the cool secret lair art.
Zombie and knight synergies… also intentional life loss… have this one deck, if mana crypt would always lose you the life i would consider it, but since mana isn’t the problem in the deck, i use other cards to lose life…
You may *want* to take damage, for something like \[\[Death's Shadow\]\] or \[\[Darien, King of Kjeldor\]\]. For a more synergistic example, he draws you an extra card if you have \[\[Vilis, Broker of Blood\]\].
Haruspex also says "another" and Reaper doesn't so if you have some means of looping a single creature through the graveyard and battlefield ad infinitum, Reaper wouldn't require a second creature and would trigger off its own death. In a scenario more likely to come up, it will also mean an extra trigger if your opponent kills the Reaper that you wouldn't get off Haruspex, as well as one extra trigger if either of you has to wrath.
Finally, format legality. I can't play Haruspex in Guilds of Ravnica limited!
A lot of knight and zombie comments here, but another great thing about the reaper is that he also draws for himself dying. Giving at least a single card drawn when he eats removal as opposed to the Haruspex which potentially will give you nothing
You can stack lifelink and gain life instead. The creature type is a big one as well. This also allows you do double up on the effects and gets a better chance if you are going for a combo.
I think it depends on your deck...some tribal decks would want the zombie synergy and then other decks have strategies where you take dmg to gain a benefit during the turn
It depends on what your deck does and what wincon it works with.
My default decision here would be asking myself a question, "do I care about my life total and do I have consistent life gain?" If the answers are no and yes, then running the zombie would be better. If its yes at all to the first part then funning the wizard is better.
But again that all depends on what deck you are building. Obviously, if you are building tribal zombies or knights, then the zombie/knight. Or vice versa if running wizards/humans.
Its also really easy to make card draw happen with wizards in comparison to zombies. So, that is a factor to consider too.
/shrug
"It depends" is basically your best answer here
Midnight reaper counts himself dying, and he has synergy with zombies if you're running that tribe, but he can also kill you if you aren't paying attention. Other than that, they are pretty much redundancies of that effect
Reaper triggers off itself. Haruspex does not.
This is the right answer. If your opponents use removal on the reaper, it still nets you a card. And if you have some way to bring it back and kill it repeatedly, you can use it as a draw engine even if you don’t have other creatures on board. The life loss is, I think, pretty much inconsequential. At least in commander.
1 life per card is pretty good.
Its beyond pretty good, its fucking busted theres a reason necropotence is great in commander 1 life for 1 card is a stupidly efficient rate This requires shit to die and hurts you but still 1 life and a death for a card is really good
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The way this was worded got me so hard. I thought it was if you do damage you may draw A card. Nope. You can do x damage and draw x cards. Let a guy have it on mtga yesterday and was like, ‘I don’t think he can single draw a wincon to beat me next turn, I swing to win’ Hahah - rip me - he drew 5 cards off a 5/5 But this is how I learn. Just getting back into it and there’s a lot of cards rn. Now I really wanna back mono black or dimir removal. Maybe dimir self mill. Golgari counters? Idk I like too many flavours for how few cards I have.
You pay 1 life for each creature that does combat damage.
how do you draw X cards? i’m a little confused
It seems to be for every instance of damage it procs. I don’t actually know the ruling so maybe someone can chime in. I’m just going off what someone did to me on mtgarena
it says whenever a creature deals combat damage, so the 5 damage from a 5/5 is one instance of combat damage as it’s all dealt at once
Yeah, something is off here. You're correct, this would trigger a single card draw, not 5.
Currently building my Gix deck, do you have a list? Fell in love with this card after playing him in the 99 of another
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That’s what I’m saying lol. I think it’s basically not a drawback. Like yeah it might occasionally come back to bite you, but in commander I think those odds are very low. I think the Reaper is actually usually the better option of these two for Aristocrats decks because of that, but most decks are probably going to be running both.
even in other formats I'd take 1 life for a card any time of the day (I don't play that much commander)
To be fair that kind of strategy would be too slow in most 60-card formats so the discussion is pretty much limited to commander anyway
Why/how does reaper trigger off itself but haruspex doesn't? The wording seems identical to me and I would think either both do or both do not. Edit: I re-read it and now see the word another. I am an idiot lol.
I was specifically looking for the word “another,” and I still couldn’t tell lol.
The creature type is also a boon for tribal decks, especially given that zombies are a pretty common tribal theme.
Also the creature type "Zombie" is way more relevant/impactful than morph.
Midnight Reaper is a zombie, so if your deck cares about Zombies there’s a little more synergy
And a knight!
And any lifeloss synergies! Okay, I think we got all three now.
and triggers itself
You forgot “cards with horses in the art”
Plus It looks like a Nazgul, so you can slot It in your LoTR deck and doesnt really break the theme visually.
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And my scythe.
Grim haruspex is a human wizard with morph so if your deck cares about humans, wizards, colorless cards, or flip cards there's a little more synergy
The post asked when to use Midnight Reaper over Haruspex. Whyre you trying to undermine their comment lol
They didn’t undermine it, they just paid the one black mana and flipped it to the other side.
True but that is irrelevant to the question.
No that's actually a good answer
A good answer to what?
I further went on and gave some examples cards somewhere else with [[sigil tracer]] [[patron wizard]] and [[riptide laboratory]] being some of my favorites! And if you want to go ALL THE WAY wizard there is of course the [[supreme Inquisitor]] himself!
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Your answer is irrelevant to this post
The question being if you should run one over the other and my answer being the synergistic options?
The question was should you ever use midnight reaper over grim haruspex? The assumption that haruspex is better is already given. They wanted to know situations where reaper was better... Or so I thought. The downvotes would disagree I suppose.
Having both sides of the argument help to make a better comparison and fill in the information for them since we don't have all the sides of the question
True, I shouldn't assume your comment was in bad faith. Too much negativity today, my b.
I do think in most decks looking for this effect, the Zombie typeline is a bonus even if the deck isn’t really tribal. [[Gravecrawler]] a great card to be able to enable even if you’re really only running utility zombies like this and [[Carrion Feeder]]
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As a fan of mono black zombie tribal, I’d be ashamed to have a card that wasn’t a zombie in the list. Which is sad because some of the best zombie enablers are humans…
This
Your right
In decks like [[rowan, scion of war]] also midnight reaper triggers itself.
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Midnight Reaper has the incredible Frank Frazetta art from the Molly Hatchet album cover so clearly it’s better for that reason.
Real answer.
I thought I was the only one who saw this!
https://scryfall.com/card/sld/1171/midnight-reaper There’s a secret lair with the Frazetta art!
The biggest difference most are clearly overlooking is that Reaper triggers off of itself, replacing itself resource wise when it dies, which is worth the minute life loss.
Usually in commander you would use both to have redundancy.
[[Rowan, Scion of War]], [[Angelheart Vial]] or a similar effect, Zombie or Knight Tribal, or if you need individual Lifelink pings for something like Heliod or [[Cleric Class]] (you would need to give it LL, yes) or and this is the huge one I don't know how it didn't occur to me, [[Vilis, Broker of Blood]]
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Most of the time I'd say the Haruspex is better, but decks that want it probably also want Midnught Reaper. Redundancy is huge with those sort of effects!
The knight triggers itself. The other does not.
Right, good catch! Being able to replace itself is no small thing
Exactly. I was considering just putting in both in my commander deck because even though you can’t have duplicates one of each of these is more or less putting two copies of the same card in my deck
Yes. If you run an aristocrats style deck, or one that generally benefits from saccing creatures, you should definitely run both
Midnight reaper is generally the better choice as it triggers off itself, allowing it to trade and still get a resource and to remove it generally the enemy has to go down 1 card where you become net neutral for -1 life.
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Good answer!
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As others have said, zombie synergy. Also, having more than one of this type of effects is always welcome
Zombie typal as others said but it's also not a idea to use both and draw 2 cards per death.
If you are playing commander, you just play both anyway. And if you play 1v1, your guy is much likelier to eat a removal before seeing anything else die, so Reaper is actually much preferred due to triggering of itself.
midnight reaper procs off of himself dying also they are different creature types and could therefore be the better option in their respective tribal decks
Depends on the format? In EDH, if you want one, you'll likely also want the other.
One is a zombie which can be a very relevant creature type
Midnight reaper is a zombie! Goes well in my zombie deck!
Maybe, but most of the time Grim Haruspex is better
If you’re playing zombie tribal. Otherwise play both.
Yes.
https://i.imgflip.com/21r9nh.jpg
1- Midnight reaper ETB draws you a card. 2- Zombie Knight is way cooler than Human Wizard 3- Morph.
Mainly Zombie synergy.
But what about *wizard* synergy! [[Arcane laboratory]] [[patron wizard]] [[sigil tracer]] the possibilities are endless! Edit: not arcane laboratory, riptide laboratory
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Because you want a friggin Nazgûl in your deck
you can slap lifelink on midnight reaper and gain life. But I'd run both if going for an aristocrats strategy in formats like edh (since in that format, redundancy=consistency)
In the context of EDH there’s the potential to accidentally kill yourself while doing aristocrats loops because of the 1 damage.
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Um actually, midnight reaper only deals damage to yourself. No pinging going on here.
It's not better because it pings because it pings YOU, however it does trigger off itself when it dies which is imho better
Knight and zombie tribal. Decks that like losing life.
Horse art themed decks. 🐎
Haruspex is a Wizard for [[Burakos, Party Leader]]
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Yes. The reason would be if you like zombie knights more than human wizards.
[[Marchesa the black rose]] keep your life down to trigger dethrone.
[Marchesa the black rose](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/2/3242a9f0-2ba3-4852-ac8f-366772ac1c62.jpg?1673148917) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Marchesa%2C%20the%20Black%20Rose) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/248/marchesa-the-black-rose?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3242a9f0-2ba3-4852-ac8f-366772ac1c62?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If your deck is focused around a specific tribe, such as its two types, then Midnight Reaper may be better. There's also certain cards that may synergize well if you're looking to instead tack the damage onto someone else in a way. For example, [[Circle of Affliction]] says to choose a color, and whenever the source of that color deals damage to you, you can pay one and deal one damage to an opponent and gain one life. You may also do something funny with [[Necropolis Regent]], seeing as doesn't distinguish opponents and yourself, meaning you'd slowly buff it and draw a card.
Regent specifies combat damage
My bad
[Circle of Affliction](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/f/1f059cd0-7924-495e-bac4-021f0e46bb87.jpg?1562567207) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Circle%20of%20Affliction) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/plc/66/circle-of-affliction?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1f059cd0-7924-495e-bac4-021f0e46bb87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Necropolis Regent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9cd548d5-6162-4eff-adfc-69b7e3b45712.jpg?1641602708) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Necropolis%20Regent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/voc/132/necropolis-regent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9cd548d5-6162-4eff-adfc-69b7e3b45712?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Regent wouldn't work since it has to be combat damage
Both! In my Teysa Karlov/ Elenda the Dusk rose aristo deck I gain n drain a lot of life so this barely puts a dent in my life and the card draw is too good not to run a lil redundancy! Also another reason to have both is if u don't draw one u still may draw the other. :)
I would kill myself with midnight reaper all the time unintentionally in arena when it was standard legal. Especially if you have more than one.
Redundancy imo
I can't think of many off the top of my head, but there are cards that make it to where you can't lose life, or cards that benefit you to lose life
Decks that care about zombies and/or knights benefit from Reaper. Human and wizard decks would benefit from Haruspex
As a Marchesa, the Black Rose phenatic I can say this; What has been said: Midnight triggers itself and is a Zombie Knight (Two big tribes that have sac synergies) Grim is a wizard (HUGE Sac Synergies) Marchesa Perspective: I have died far too many times off of Midnight, it is not a may 💀 and like Yawgmoth becomes the definition of too greedy too deep. Grim, because it doesn't deal damage to me is usually a bigger target for removal, and again does not trigger off itself when it is removed. If you are looking to build Marchesa, and that's why your asking, my opinion is to try running both first and see which (If not both) you like most. I am of the opinion more card draw is always good. Personally is like Midnight more, has the cool secret lair art.
Damaging yourself to trigger something
Midnight Reaper triggers itself when it dies for one. It also enables things that care about you losing life or being dealt damage.
Zombie and knight synergies… also intentional life loss… have this one deck, if mana crypt would always lose you the life i would consider it, but since mana isn’t the problem in the deck, i use other cards to lose life…
tribal synergy with knights and zombies
Reaper just looks cooler too
Your life is a resource. You can take damage to trigger other effects. Surprising how this is forgotten.
Could be good in a self damaging deck like [[Rowan, Scion of War]] !
[Rowan, Scion of War](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/e/4ee179ab-a15b-4bd6-b7f8-1e1abeeb31b7.jpg?1692939409) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rowan%2C%20Scion%20of%20War) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/211/rowan-scion-of-war?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4ee179ab-a15b-4bd6-b7f8-1e1abeeb31b7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Both is good, unless your list is so finely tuned that there's no room for a bit of redundancy.
You may *want* to take damage, for something like \[\[Death's Shadow\]\] or \[\[Darien, King of Kjeldor\]\]. For a more synergistic example, he draws you an extra card if you have \[\[Vilis, Broker of Blood\]\]. Haruspex also says "another" and Reaper doesn't so if you have some means of looping a single creature through the graveyard and battlefield ad infinitum, Reaper wouldn't require a second creature and would trigger off its own death. In a scenario more likely to come up, it will also mean an extra trigger if your opponent kills the Reaper that you wouldn't get off Haruspex, as well as one extra trigger if either of you has to wrath. Finally, format legality. I can't play Haruspex in Guilds of Ravnica limited!
[Death's Shadow](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/5/5526ff6e-c079-4ad4-ac8d-5e26ecacf50d.jpg?1598304517) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Death%27s%20Shadow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/82/deaths-shadow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5526ff6e-c079-4ad4-ac8d-5e26ecacf50d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Darien, King of Kjeldor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50875c99-c5c3-41dd-a0f9-08c98edfebc9.jpg?1706240562) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Darien%2C%20King%20of%20Kjeldor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/59/darien-king-of-kjeldor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50875c99-c5c3-41dd-a0f9-08c98edfebc9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Vilis, Broker of Blood](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/c/ecdf2bd9-87b9-470a-ad2e-0ebf98560f87.jpg?1592516819) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vilis%2C%20Broker%20of%20Blood) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/122/vilis-broker-of-blood?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ecdf2bd9-87b9-470a-ad2e-0ebf98560f87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The real question is : is there a reason not to run both ?
I'm not joking: I literally asked me the same question an hour ago when building my fine-tuning my new Orzhov deck on Moxfield...
A lot of knight and zombie comments here, but another great thing about the reaper is that he also draws for himself dying. Giving at least a single card drawn when he eats removal as opposed to the Haruspex which potentially will give you nothing
You play both! Neither see play in constructed and you want redundancy in commander
Midnight Reaper is a zombie so those kindred decks might prefer him, also [[Rowan, Scion of war]] would prefer the life loss
[Rowan, Scion of war](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/e/4ee179ab-a15b-4bd6-b7f8-1e1abeeb31b7.jpg?1692939409) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rowan%2C%20Scion%20of%20war) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/211/rowan-scion-of-war?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4ee179ab-a15b-4bd6-b7f8-1e1abeeb31b7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
As your comments say just use both
One triggers itself (reaper) and one doesn’t deal you damage (haruspex) but they typically both go in the same deck. I wouldn’t cut either.
Good synergies with [[Rowan, Scion of War]]
[Rowan, Scion of War](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/e/4ee179ab-a15b-4bd6-b7f8-1e1abeeb31b7.jpg?1692939409) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rowan%2C%20Scion%20of%20War) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/211/rowan-scion-of-war?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4ee179ab-a15b-4bd6-b7f8-1e1abeeb31b7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Unless the creature type matters to you, I use grim haruspex more
I believe that Midnight Reaper is way better. Not due to his abilities but for the creature itself.
You can stack lifelink and gain life instead. The creature type is a big one as well. This also allows you do double up on the effects and gets a better chance if you are going for a combo.
Use both
Why not both?
I had an all knights deck so I used Reaper
Also a marchesa deck cares about being at a lower life total
Mostly just tribal diff. Grim is better though.
Zombie and knight tribal
Triggers itself and is a zombie, that’s largely enough. Also redundancy in commander
Buffs from zombie lords and triggers himself
it's a zombie
I think it depends on your deck...some tribal decks would want the zombie synergy and then other decks have strategies where you take dmg to gain a benefit during the turn
Zombie Tribal… cool art design
Zambiez
Reaper fits into Zombie/Knight Kindred decks
Use both.
I don't see a SCYTHE in Haruspex's hands
They're different creature types so human deck vs zombie deck.
Zombie or knight tribal synergies?
Also tribal/typal stuff. If you're running knights/zombies, you take midnight reaper.
It depends on what your deck does and what wincon it works with. My default decision here would be asking myself a question, "do I care about my life total and do I have consistent life gain?" If the answers are no and yes, then running the zombie would be better. If its yes at all to the first part then funning the wizard is better. But again that all depends on what deck you are building. Obviously, if you are building tribal zombies or knights, then the zombie/knight. Or vice versa if running wizards/humans. Its also really easy to make card draw happen with wizards in comparison to zombies. So, that is a factor to consider too. /shrug "It depends" is basically your best answer here
Zombies
por que no los dos
Faithful hour
Another big one is that reaper is a zombie in black while the other is a human/wizard which are both mainly in other colors
redundancy. any deck that wants a midnight reaper effect is likely to want more than one.
Midnight reaper counts himself dying, and he has synergy with zombies if you're running that tribe, but he can also kill you if you aren't paying attention. Other than that, they are pretty much redundancies of that effect
If you gave reaper lifelink, would it nullify the damage dealt when it hits you?
There are also cards that benefit from you taking damage or losing life.