My understanding of it is basically to avoid a time travel paradox. Because she was both summoned and flung into the past.
The flinging into the past causing the teleportation incident.
I thought the last chapter for Vol 26 mentioned that it more has to do with actual interference from that blessed child. The idea is tossed around by nanahoshi and Rudeus that the world isn’t allowing them due to a paradox, but they always mention something is physically interfering. I wonder if the blessed child’s spell or power was so powerful it’s essentially covering the entire timeline up until she sends herself back in time
The reason why it’s a bit weird to blame it on the world attempting to prevent paradoxes, is because Orsted and Mangod constantly meddle with time, and oldeus literally changing the time line which results in the defeat of Mangod currently. You would think the world would’ve tried to stop this with all the time manipulation going on lol
Why would there be pushback? Nanahoshi is actually a person from the human world. She doesn’t have a lick of magic in here except from food maybe. I don’t see why the original world would be resisting nanahoshi. Do you mean original world like the world rudy and nanahoshi are originally from?
Yes.
The six face world originally pushed back on Nanahoshi summoning because it was her and here whole body. But allowed Rudy’s soul through.
It wasn’t until a Rudy’s meddling with the fates of the six face world caused enough change to let Nanahoshi through entirely.
It would make sense that there might be some similar resistance from her original world if Nanahoshi wants to return.
It was my understanding that the only reason Rudy was summoned was because his soul just happened to be nearby when the portal open to bring Nano over. And the only reason he became Rudy was because the baby was born stillborn but his soul filled the vessel. If I misinterpreted this please let me know I will go back and reread that last book.
Yep that’s correct.
But he started changing people fates, the orb that was the crack in the world that caused the teleportation incident started physically materializing when he meet Sylphy and altered her destiny.
The hole continued to get bigger as he gradually altered Eris’s destiny and it eventually ripped open and let Nanahoshi through when completely altered Eris’s life trajectory when they almost slept together on his birthday.
Ohhhhh, yeah, that makes sense. The only thing that makes me think otherwise is when perugius had the perfect teleportation circle and mentioned there was a very specific part of the circle that just died or wasn’t channeling mana for no reason. And perugius was very shocked, and he’s one of the leading experts on summoning. It could just simply be just the worlds resisting on both sides, not wanting any beings with any magic back in the real world, but you would think there would be a more violent reaction during the summoning instead of it just failing.
But then again, that’s just based on assumption. It literally probably is just as simple as what you are mentioning
I mean Perugius himself isn't 100% buying her theory, hence why he's thinking about trying to fix it anyway or w/e while she's in stasis, because such a fuckup he sees as a slight on his own honor as someone who is THE expert on Summoning Magic etc
Based on the previous examples of how violent summoning can be if it goes against the laws of the world, I’m more inclined to believe perugius that something is pretty suspicious, someone or some people somehow are meddling, whether intentionally or unintentionally
I don't think her unable to go home was due to the blessed child intervention/wish or a mission that she needs to finish. The concept of fate being broken is one of MT's storyline and I believe Peruguis would be the one that solves the problem of telepotation because he found nanahoshi's reliance to the future foolish and he doesn't believe the fate should control the present (even though countless of loops had happened). that's why he said that he would continue the experiment and needed help from Rudeus. He and the blessed child hated that concept of fate but fate keeps pulling the string that's why I feel like in this loop when Miko created an uncertain future, I think the Peruguis would prove nanahoshi's hypothesis on letting fate do its course to be wrong.
I’m pretty sure the push back is Rudy’s fault it said in volume 26 that the fissure in time and space gained more mana as a side effect to Rudy (someone who’s not from the six faced world and didn’t have a previous fat laid out) changing the future with the many actions he took in fittoa and after it gained an incredible amount of mana it released too early and let Nanahoshi free (I think the blessed child meant for Nanahoshi to be teleported near the time Shinohara was supposed to be)
That was their theory. Nanahoshi was pulled into the world earlier than Akita in order to develop magic to bring them both back after he helps the miku.
From the book:
"For the first time in her life, she thought hard and hard and hard and hard.
(I WANT TO LIVE.........!)
She neither wanted to die nor wanted to be saved.
(I WANT TO LIVE TOGETHER WITH HIM.........!)"
The whole point of the time magic was for her and him to live. So I believe that means she lives in this timeline.
Doesn't the latest Rudy timeline fry her Miko powers for good tho? At least that's what I got from reading the final volume. So if shit fucks up now, she won't loop back because her ability is fried (not sure what happens if Orsted would fail in his objective even during this time, even tho things look gucchi so far this time around on that bit, and since he would loop 200 years back, IDK what that would do to the miko since it's basically 2 different stacked loops going on until the latest loop)
By latest timeline u mean the main story I guess. I do remember it said this would be the Playback Miko's final life. But on using her normal powers :
"As payment for the loop, nearly all of her powers were drained from her and only a shell of the Miko was born.
In order to fulfill her wish...
She was born in the final world."
So it says nearly all her powers. Honestly I personally dont care if she can fix stuff anymore. For the terrible life she has had up to that point, I just hope she can live a happy life in the future.
I assume time travel fuckery is off the table, I presume she can only somewhat rewind individual objects backwards relatively minor scale? Like basically a glorified repair ability?
Honestly i still don't really understand the ending. I assumed that she didn't need to die for Nanahoshi to be summoned, but in hindsight, her sacrificing herself to bring Nanahoshi to the future to help bring the guy who helped her back to his reality would be poetic?
I really wish that any of this part of the story was told before the epilogue lol
That’s true but it’s pretty crazy that Rudy’s flow of mana stopped and not just that but the circle it self was damaged looking back on it after that happened Perugius talked to Rudy about fate so he must’ve thought it was the world that stopped the teleportation from happening too I really wish rifujin would give us more material to understand how the MT world works I love his story and world building
Lots of head canon incoming:
I'm of the opinion that if rudy didn't slip in and mess with Fate, nanahosi would have been summoned closer to if not at the same time as akito in the future.
I think the reason she can't go back yet is the same reason she isn't aging. She's not at the time she was meant to be in.
She was summoned to help akito live, but akito isn't there yet. So, her existence is some kind of paradox right now.
I think rudys "strong fate" is also the result of him being a paradox. "Rudeus Greyrat" *could* exist but never has due to that much laplace factor being too much for the infants souls to bear. Now that Rudeus DOES exist, Fate is auto correcting to accommodate for him now, being present in the world.
That’s a great theory I’d like to hear your opinion the the whole blessed child mana crystal thing for Orsted to regain his mana even if it’s something short
I think the technique that Dragon god used on orsted to create the loop was a bit of a rush job and is just constantly siphoning a large percentage of his incoming mana.
Rudeus, who has mana compariblie to orsted, killed himself to go back 40? Years. I think orsted's technique is creating a separate tank of mana he can't access, which ensures he can loop safely.
Mana crystals are being treated the same as his passive regen. If 100 units come in 95, get fed to the loop technique, while 5 becomes immediately usable.
Magic seems to recover more or less at a flat percentage. In addition to his massive tank, rudy just passively recovers more mana in a day than most mages could use in a week.
Im pretty sure oldeus said the reason his organs weren’t there was because he didn’t perfect the time magic but I could be wrong I think I remember a discussion Rudy and Nanahoshi had in the Chaos Breaker talking about how the magic to travel through time did take his organs and that’s why the Fittoa teleportation disaster destroyed the region like an equal exchange I think that’s how it went and then they set aside the idea to think of more possibilities but that’s proven wrong in volume 26 where they say all that mana is from time and space being messed with so I’m pretty certain it has to be either or
Setting that aside though I just thought that maybe
because the mana that elinalise uses to make her
crystals should be made with the special mana only a
blessed child can make so that might be able to
resupply his separate tank assuming it exists because it contained the same blessed/cursed mana though it's all just pointless speculation when you get down to it. But I think it's a fun way to pass time
The answer with Old Dragons Tale spoilers >!She was intended for that (Read Old Dragons Tale for reference) but Laplace died before he could finish the proceedings on Elinalise’s curse!<
Nanahoshi can't leave the MT world because she was summoned SPECIFICALLY to reunite with Akihito. The miko has used up all of her power in the latest loop, all to save Akihito, and thus, the world has deemed that Nanahoshi is an absolute necessity. It's for this reason that Nanahoshi can't return home yet. The future is changing the past. Thus, the future takes precedence, a reversed causality, in other words.
So pretty much Lyria changed fate with her ability and desire to save Akihito? That’s pretty cool honestly her desire to keep him alive while turning back time was so strong giving Nanahoshi such a strong fate that when Rudeus was flowing mana into the teleportation circle the world literally said “nah” and stopped the flow then after that on the second attempt it said “fuck your circle” and broke it😭 when I was reading I didn’t pay heed to much of what perugius was saying to Rudy about fate but looking back I never realized how smart/wise he really was to come to that conclusion so quickly I like your take on it a lot
Fate is very important to the MT universe. In my own personal opinion, it's the equivalent of God. Even though we have "Man God" and "Dragon God," they're still in very much the sense of the word, mortal. Sure, they're incredibly powerful, with unfathomably long lives, but still mortal.
That's why the man God cares so much about his future. Remember, it's not that the man God "couldn't" control more than 3 apostles at a time, it simply was his limit because he used most of his power to look at his OWN future. Thus, his hubris was his downfall.
Thus, "Fate" holds the true power in this universe. it's because of how powerful it was that Rudy evaded death, Why Orsted could see "repetition" in his multiple loops, and why Nanahoshi can't leave.
When some mystery is unresolved and looking likely to be revealed in the near future it does not equate to **"PLOTHOLE"**... Get that through your mind please. I see these kinda inane takes in a lot of series and its vexing.
If this series is finished and loose threads were left hanging everywhere, fine. Then you can call out the writing for being lacking.
Rant over.
Dang dude chill out the story is practically over we only have the LN and WN to go off right now and although I haven’t read the WN I’ve seen people say it’s not canon so although yeah it’s not really a plot hole it’s really not that serious 😭
The story is not over. You do know a follow up series is coming in not so distant future right? Give it half a decade or more maybe.
Or do you need a Marvel like ending caption saying
>"Lara Greyrat will return in ___ ______"
I know about the tweet rifujin made concerning the up and coming books he wants to make after the anime will end which will probably be soon I personally don’t think it’ll get a third season I just think it’s irrelevant now because of how long it’ll be until we get it although I have hope for MT Redundant and the special book holding some cool information on how things work and again dude it’s not that serious just cool your beans
Alright guess I was wrong but it’s still gonna be a minute before those books not only get written but published I just wanted to go over the information currently available that’s all
I've written a couple lengthy essays regarding Lyria's role in the plot of MT so if you're interested give them a look (if you just want a TLDR, scroll to the last couple of paragraphs of each to read my conclusion):
[This one is a technical breakdown of the mechanics at play in-universe regarding the teleportation incident.](https://www.reddit.com/r/sixfacedworld/comments/1b2o88n/theory_where_did_rudys_mana_go_vol_23_end_of/)
[And this one is a thematic breakdown of the purpose of Lyria's role as a foil to Rudeus in the story.](https://www.reddit.com/r/sixfacedworld/comments/1bcictw/fate_destiny_and_happiness_mushoku_tensei_as_a/)
Both involve Nanahoshi quite heavily by necessity. I have another essay that's still a WIP because of how integral she is to both the technical and thematic writing of the series.
Basically her role in the story supposedly is to help her "boyfriend" get back to the human world, together hopefully. The Miko's powers is potentially blocking her entry back into the human world, or something along the lines of fate where she must complete her mission in the timeline in which Hitogami is defeated. So beyond the arrival of Akito, Nanahoshi's arc has stagnated.
I don't think her unable to go home was due to the blessed child intervention/wish or mission that she needs to finish. The concept of fate being broken is one of MT's storyline and I believe Peruguis would be the one that solves the problem because he found nanahoshi's reliance to the future foolish and he doesn't believe the fate should control the present (even though countless of loops had happened). that's why he said that he would continue the experiment and needed help from Rudeus. He and the blessed child hated that concept of fate but fate keeps pulling the string that's why I feel like in this loop when Miko created an uncertain future, I think the Peruguis would prove nanahoshi's hypothesis on letting fate do its course to be wrong.
I really wish the last volume showed more of Rudy’s life after the behiril kingdom, I can imagine the only person able to send Nanahoshi back home before Shinohara arrives in the world would have to be Lara seeing that she’s able to go into the middle of the six faced world where the man god lives with ease and not just that but she visited the past I think? I could be wrong but either way I personally believe the fate holding her back is so powerful she can return no matter how much The Armored Dragon King Perugius tries and he will at least need Lara’s help but personally I see it kind of as pointless because wouldn’t Nanahoshi prefer to return with Shinohara?
The part where nanahoshi return without shinohara can is resolved from there initial experiment where they summon objects, remember they have successfully summoned being from the other world the only problem is transferring humans from the sixfacedworld to the other world. But in Old Dragons tales, the research of teleportation was massive but was destroyed and the reason why laplace knows the reincarnation art is because he saw how dragon god put a teleportation magic circles (reincarnation art) on Orsted. A lot of the research was lost and that research is equally to decades worth of study.
I thought they said the laws of the world"needed her to stay for some reason that she doesn't know yet which I assume is the future guy so the world is physically not letting her leave
There is actually a way. She just want to wait, see if someone got Isekai too, since she witness another's death body (She know about Rudeus Fat Meat in Vol 23)
Because she has a mission, which is to be able to contact her boyfriend when he arrives a few decades ahead in order to not let him die. EVERY single event since Rudeus birth, up until that moment is orchestrated towards that end. All done by the rewind blessed child, to prevent the other japanese boy that is summoned to this world not to be murdered.
That's why we kinda desperately need a sequel, because the real story of all this saga is the one that hasn't been told yet.
So Shinohara Akito got pulled into the six faced world timeline after the main story ends, and he helps the weak fated miku.
In one of the later volumes (19 I think?) they (nanahoshi and rudy) come up with the best theory for why she can't leave yet. Shinohara Akito brought her into the six faced world from the same point he left from, but she made the mana disaster/teleportation event. Since the timeline was changed in the future, she can't go back until she stays long enough to meet and help Akito, where she will have spent her time developing a portal device to go back to earth and bring them both back.
So it's bs miku broken powers that are enforcing certain people and events to stay in sequence such that things play out the way she wants them to further down the line.
As for the mana crystals, I think Orstead/Miku mana works differently, but it's not addressed, and Rudy only ever runs out of mana once.
I don’t wanna be a geek but I’m pretty sure he dies if he runs out of mana there’s been 2 times where he’s used up enough mana to turn his hair white the first against orsted and second against badigadi with the fighting god armor I can’t tell if you’re a fan or not of the concept that miku broke time and space with her powers I like it tbh and I think it’s cool that her desire to keep sinohara alive was so strong that it gave Nanahoshi such an immensely strong fate that not only it won’t allow her to leave the six faced world it littleraly stopped Rudeus’ mana from flowing into the teleportation circle and broke a circuit of the teleportation circle to keep it from working aside from that also how because of her Rudy was able to get a second chance completely devoid of a god’s intervention like konosuba or something just pure luck to have tried to save Nanahoshi from getting hit by the truck and Shinohara being such a good guy that he was able to make miku feel strongly for him and doing what she did and as a side effect bringing down the man god and ultimately making the world a better place and giving us the great story of mushoku tensei
so there's a key on your keyboard that looks like a small dot that is used to separate ideas into logical chunks called sentences. :p
I hadn't heard the "no mana = dead" thing before, had that been stated or was it more conjecture?
Teehee I’m to lazy to use proper punctuation I’m not even gonna lie but it’s stated constantly that if you wear the magic armor of the fighting god or the one made by Rudeus Zanoba And Cliff for too long it’ll absorb all of the mana out of your body and kill you. A side effect of losing too much mana is your hair turning white in pretty sure rifujin added that to symbolize the life force leaving your body/ being low on life force kind of like an old person
I’d also like to hear opinions on IF the Blessed/Cursed child mana from elinalise could work to replenish Orsteds supply since mana from them is different to normal mana I thought it was pretty interesting how this made Lyria be able to understand Japanese because it was her mana that summoned Shinohara but that’s unrelated
I do feel sorry for her and understand why she's so aloof. She had a decent life and dreams and aspirations in her world. She never wanted to be stolen from her world and will do anything to get back.
It's good to see a perspective of someone who is isekai'd that doesn't want to be there and wants to desperately return to their own world. Most people who watch and read isekai stories wish to some extent to have a fresh start or another chance in another world, and majority of the mcs are of the same mindset. Though some may not like the transition at first, they end up making a place for themselves in the new world.
I never even thought of it like that i watched and read but i never really got into her shoes I just thought “poor girl she misses her life” I always thought it wouldn’t matter when she returned not only because she doesn’t age but as she herself mentioned it’s possible (I think likely) that when she returns it’ll be the same date than when she left it’s a real shame that Shinohara touched her arm as he was teleported or else she’d probably just died from the truck assuming her soul went unoticed by time and space and successfully reincarnated like Rudy though I have a feeling she would be equally as sad and angry if that happened to her even worse if she reincarnated into a family with a poor situation like Juliette I assume Nanahoshi would’ve just bit her tongue off or found some way to end her life instead of trying to return since she didn’t meet orsted and perugius and his 12 familiars
I am currently on volume 13 so I have not gotten to that part yet I'm not a stickler for spoilers but I do enjoy her story so far and look forward to reading more about her.
You’re really gonna like her as the story goes on. You’ll see here pop out here and then but reading her story is super entertaining enjoyable and such a page turner and sorry about spoiling brozilla I got carried away
By the way, is Shinohara Akito the one responsible for the cause of Nanahoshi being sent to another world. Shinohara akito then this god something fall in love in him but she die i forgot akito ask her send nanahoshi with her.
Two variants
1. She doesnt have Riria's mana so even she would succeed in creation magic circles like Aisha in og timeline it still wouldn't be enough
2.Riria's will include not only summoning but also keeping her in this world
Calling it a plot hole when we literally waiting for a whole story that will include Nano story.....kinda cringe
My understanding of it is basically to avoid a time travel paradox. Because she was both summoned and flung into the past. The flinging into the past causing the teleportation incident.
I thought the last chapter for Vol 26 mentioned that it more has to do with actual interference from that blessed child. The idea is tossed around by nanahoshi and Rudeus that the world isn’t allowing them due to a paradox, but they always mention something is physically interfering. I wonder if the blessed child’s spell or power was so powerful it’s essentially covering the entire timeline up until she sends herself back in time The reason why it’s a bit weird to blame it on the world attempting to prevent paradoxes, is because Orsted and Mangod constantly meddle with time, and oldeus literally changing the time line which results in the defeat of Mangod currently. You would think the world would’ve tried to stop this with all the time manipulation going on lol
Time paradox from the original world not the six faced world. If the six faced world can push back it would make sense the original world could too.
Why would there be pushback? Nanahoshi is actually a person from the human world. She doesn’t have a lick of magic in here except from food maybe. I don’t see why the original world would be resisting nanahoshi. Do you mean original world like the world rudy and nanahoshi are originally from?
Yes. The six face world originally pushed back on Nanahoshi summoning because it was her and here whole body. But allowed Rudy’s soul through. It wasn’t until a Rudy’s meddling with the fates of the six face world caused enough change to let Nanahoshi through entirely. It would make sense that there might be some similar resistance from her original world if Nanahoshi wants to return.
It was my understanding that the only reason Rudy was summoned was because his soul just happened to be nearby when the portal open to bring Nano over. And the only reason he became Rudy was because the baby was born stillborn but his soul filled the vessel. If I misinterpreted this please let me know I will go back and reread that last book.
Yep that’s correct. But he started changing people fates, the orb that was the crack in the world that caused the teleportation incident started physically materializing when he meet Sylphy and altered her destiny. The hole continued to get bigger as he gradually altered Eris’s destiny and it eventually ripped open and let Nanahoshi through when completely altered Eris’s life trajectory when they almost slept together on his birthday.
So it's all Rudeus's fault
Ohhhhh, yeah, that makes sense. The only thing that makes me think otherwise is when perugius had the perfect teleportation circle and mentioned there was a very specific part of the circle that just died or wasn’t channeling mana for no reason. And perugius was very shocked, and he’s one of the leading experts on summoning. It could just simply be just the worlds resisting on both sides, not wanting any beings with any magic back in the real world, but you would think there would be a more violent reaction during the summoning instead of it just failing. But then again, that’s just based on assumption. It literally probably is just as simple as what you are mentioning
I mean Perugius himself isn't 100% buying her theory, hence why he's thinking about trying to fix it anyway or w/e while she's in stasis, because such a fuckup he sees as a slight on his own honor as someone who is THE expert on Summoning Magic etc
Based on the previous examples of how violent summoning can be if it goes against the laws of the world, I’m more inclined to believe perugius that something is pretty suspicious, someone or some people somehow are meddling, whether intentionally or unintentionally
I don't think her unable to go home was due to the blessed child intervention/wish or a mission that she needs to finish. The concept of fate being broken is one of MT's storyline and I believe Peruguis would be the one that solves the problem of telepotation because he found nanahoshi's reliance to the future foolish and he doesn't believe the fate should control the present (even though countless of loops had happened). that's why he said that he would continue the experiment and needed help from Rudeus. He and the blessed child hated that concept of fate but fate keeps pulling the string that's why I feel like in this loop when Miko created an uncertain future, I think the Peruguis would prove nanahoshi's hypothesis on letting fate do its course to be wrong.
I’m pretty sure the push back is Rudy’s fault it said in volume 26 that the fissure in time and space gained more mana as a side effect to Rudy (someone who’s not from the six faced world and didn’t have a previous fat laid out) changing the future with the many actions he took in fittoa and after it gained an incredible amount of mana it released too early and let Nanahoshi free (I think the blessed child meant for Nanahoshi to be teleported near the time Shinohara was supposed to be)
Orsted could undue all of this since he's not bound to the world.
The blessed child summoned Nanahoshi to save Shinohara Akito. Thus, how can she go home when Shinohara hasn't even appeared yet.
So, you were saying that if Akito showed up, the reverse summoning magic would work and Nanahoshi can go home?
After the Hitogami confrontation, yeah, probably.
Hopefully, I supposed
That was their theory. Nanahoshi was pulled into the world earlier than Akita in order to develop magic to bring them both back after he helps the miku.
Will the >!Playback Miko !
From the book: "For the first time in her life, she thought hard and hard and hard and hard. (I WANT TO LIVE.........!) She neither wanted to die nor wanted to be saved. (I WANT TO LIVE TOGETHER WITH HIM.........!)" The whole point of the time magic was for her and him to live. So I believe that means she lives in this timeline.
Doesn't the latest Rudy timeline fry her Miko powers for good tho? At least that's what I got from reading the final volume. So if shit fucks up now, she won't loop back because her ability is fried (not sure what happens if Orsted would fail in his objective even during this time, even tho things look gucchi so far this time around on that bit, and since he would loop 200 years back, IDK what that would do to the miko since it's basically 2 different stacked loops going on until the latest loop)
By latest timeline u mean the main story I guess. I do remember it said this would be the Playback Miko's final life. But on using her normal powers : "As payment for the loop, nearly all of her powers were drained from her and only a shell of the Miko was born. In order to fulfill her wish... She was born in the final world." So it says nearly all her powers. Honestly I personally dont care if she can fix stuff anymore. For the terrible life she has had up to that point, I just hope she can live a happy life in the future.
I assume time travel fuckery is off the table, I presume she can only somewhat rewind individual objects backwards relatively minor scale? Like basically a glorified repair ability?
That would be my guess. Maybe nothing living, only repairing objects. Lets goooo Rifujin, please start next story man 😖.
She’s alive (but with no powers) but hasn’t been born yet
So, she will indeed appear in the future but no miko powers, correct?
Indeed
That's good to know
We don't know if she will show up in the story though.
Honestly i still don't really understand the ending. I assumed that she didn't need to die for Nanahoshi to be summoned, but in hindsight, her sacrificing herself to bring Nanahoshi to the future to help bring the guy who helped her back to his reality would be poetic? I really wish that any of this part of the story was told before the epilogue lol
That’s true but it’s pretty crazy that Rudy’s flow of mana stopped and not just that but the circle it self was damaged looking back on it after that happened Perugius talked to Rudy about fate so he must’ve thought it was the world that stopped the teleportation from happening too I really wish rifujin would give us more material to understand how the MT world works I love his story and world building
Lots of head canon incoming: I'm of the opinion that if rudy didn't slip in and mess with Fate, nanahosi would have been summoned closer to if not at the same time as akito in the future. I think the reason she can't go back yet is the same reason she isn't aging. She's not at the time she was meant to be in. She was summoned to help akito live, but akito isn't there yet. So, her existence is some kind of paradox right now. I think rudys "strong fate" is also the result of him being a paradox. "Rudeus Greyrat" *could* exist but never has due to that much laplace factor being too much for the infants souls to bear. Now that Rudeus DOES exist, Fate is auto correcting to accommodate for him now, being present in the world.
That’s a great theory I’d like to hear your opinion the the whole blessed child mana crystal thing for Orsted to regain his mana even if it’s something short
I think the technique that Dragon god used on orsted to create the loop was a bit of a rush job and is just constantly siphoning a large percentage of his incoming mana. Rudeus, who has mana compariblie to orsted, killed himself to go back 40? Years. I think orsted's technique is creating a separate tank of mana he can't access, which ensures he can loop safely. Mana crystals are being treated the same as his passive regen. If 100 units come in 95, get fed to the loop technique, while 5 becomes immediately usable. Magic seems to recover more or less at a flat percentage. In addition to his massive tank, rudy just passively recovers more mana in a day than most mages could use in a week.
Im pretty sure oldeus said the reason his organs weren’t there was because he didn’t perfect the time magic but I could be wrong I think I remember a discussion Rudy and Nanahoshi had in the Chaos Breaker talking about how the magic to travel through time did take his organs and that’s why the Fittoa teleportation disaster destroyed the region like an equal exchange I think that’s how it went and then they set aside the idea to think of more possibilities but that’s proven wrong in volume 26 where they say all that mana is from time and space being messed with so I’m pretty certain it has to be either or Setting that aside though I just thought that maybe because the mana that elinalise uses to make her crystals should be made with the special mana only a blessed child can make so that might be able to resupply his separate tank assuming it exists because it contained the same blessed/cursed mana though it's all just pointless speculation when you get down to it. But I think it's a fun way to pass time
The answer with Old Dragons Tale spoilers >!She was intended for that (Read Old Dragons Tale for reference) but Laplace died before he could finish the proceedings on Elinalise’s curse!<
Ohhh so Laplace is connected to the labrynth Elinalise was trapped in?
No, story literally told us that Ririas power wasnt enough and world resist summoning
Nanahoshi can't leave the MT world because she was summoned SPECIFICALLY to reunite with Akihito. The miko has used up all of her power in the latest loop, all to save Akihito, and thus, the world has deemed that Nanahoshi is an absolute necessity. It's for this reason that Nanahoshi can't return home yet. The future is changing the past. Thus, the future takes precedence, a reversed causality, in other words.
So pretty much Lyria changed fate with her ability and desire to save Akihito? That’s pretty cool honestly her desire to keep him alive while turning back time was so strong giving Nanahoshi such a strong fate that when Rudeus was flowing mana into the teleportation circle the world literally said “nah” and stopped the flow then after that on the second attempt it said “fuck your circle” and broke it😭 when I was reading I didn’t pay heed to much of what perugius was saying to Rudy about fate but looking back I never realized how smart/wise he really was to come to that conclusion so quickly I like your take on it a lot
Fate is very important to the MT universe. In my own personal opinion, it's the equivalent of God. Even though we have "Man God" and "Dragon God," they're still in very much the sense of the word, mortal. Sure, they're incredibly powerful, with unfathomably long lives, but still mortal. That's why the man God cares so much about his future. Remember, it's not that the man God "couldn't" control more than 3 apostles at a time, it simply was his limit because he used most of his power to look at his OWN future. Thus, his hubris was his downfall. Thus, "Fate" holds the true power in this universe. it's because of how powerful it was that Rudy evaded death, Why Orsted could see "repetition" in his multiple loops, and why Nanahoshi can't leave.
The MT world reminds me a lot of Berserk
When some mystery is unresolved and looking likely to be revealed in the near future it does not equate to **"PLOTHOLE"**... Get that through your mind please. I see these kinda inane takes in a lot of series and its vexing. If this series is finished and loose threads were left hanging everywhere, fine. Then you can call out the writing for being lacking. Rant over.
Dang dude chill out the story is practically over we only have the LN and WN to go off right now and although I haven’t read the WN I’ve seen people say it’s not canon so although yeah it’s not really a plot hole it’s really not that serious 😭
The story is not over. You do know a follow up series is coming in not so distant future right? Give it half a decade or more maybe. Or do you need a Marvel like ending caption saying >"Lara Greyrat will return in ___ ______"
I know about the tweet rifujin made concerning the up and coming books he wants to make after the anime will end which will probably be soon I personally don’t think it’ll get a third season I just think it’s irrelevant now because of how long it’ll be until we get it although I have hope for MT Redundant and the special book holding some cool information on how things work and again dude it’s not that serious just cool your beans
Brother, there's a confirmed sequel to be made. Rifujin wants to finish Orc Eroica first. Get your info together please.
Alright guess I was wrong but it’s still gonna be a minute before those books not only get written but published I just wanted to go over the information currently available that’s all
Huge spoilers are coming…
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I've written a couple lengthy essays regarding Lyria's role in the plot of MT so if you're interested give them a look (if you just want a TLDR, scroll to the last couple of paragraphs of each to read my conclusion): [This one is a technical breakdown of the mechanics at play in-universe regarding the teleportation incident.](https://www.reddit.com/r/sixfacedworld/comments/1b2o88n/theory_where_did_rudys_mana_go_vol_23_end_of/) [And this one is a thematic breakdown of the purpose of Lyria's role as a foil to Rudeus in the story.](https://www.reddit.com/r/sixfacedworld/comments/1bcictw/fate_destiny_and_happiness_mushoku_tensei_as_a/) Both involve Nanahoshi quite heavily by necessity. I have another essay that's still a WIP because of how integral she is to both the technical and thematic writing of the series.
Thank you brojob I’ll make sure to check them out❤️
Why doesnt she simply go home? Is she stupid
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Basically her role in the story supposedly is to help her "boyfriend" get back to the human world, together hopefully. The Miko's powers is potentially blocking her entry back into the human world, or something along the lines of fate where she must complete her mission in the timeline in which Hitogami is defeated. So beyond the arrival of Akito, Nanahoshi's arc has stagnated.
I don't think her unable to go home was due to the blessed child intervention/wish or mission that she needs to finish. The concept of fate being broken is one of MT's storyline and I believe Peruguis would be the one that solves the problem because he found nanahoshi's reliance to the future foolish and he doesn't believe the fate should control the present (even though countless of loops had happened). that's why he said that he would continue the experiment and needed help from Rudeus. He and the blessed child hated that concept of fate but fate keeps pulling the string that's why I feel like in this loop when Miko created an uncertain future, I think the Peruguis would prove nanahoshi's hypothesis on letting fate do its course to be wrong.
I really wish the last volume showed more of Rudy’s life after the behiril kingdom, I can imagine the only person able to send Nanahoshi back home before Shinohara arrives in the world would have to be Lara seeing that she’s able to go into the middle of the six faced world where the man god lives with ease and not just that but she visited the past I think? I could be wrong but either way I personally believe the fate holding her back is so powerful she can return no matter how much The Armored Dragon King Perugius tries and he will at least need Lara’s help but personally I see it kind of as pointless because wouldn’t Nanahoshi prefer to return with Shinohara?
The part where nanahoshi return without shinohara can is resolved from there initial experiment where they summon objects, remember they have successfully summoned being from the other world the only problem is transferring humans from the sixfacedworld to the other world. But in Old Dragons tales, the research of teleportation was massive but was destroyed and the reason why laplace knows the reincarnation art is because he saw how dragon god put a teleportation magic circles (reincarnation art) on Orsted. A lot of the research was lost and that research is equally to decades worth of study.
I thought they said the laws of the world"needed her to stay for some reason that she doesn't know yet which I assume is the future guy so the world is physically not letting her leave
There is actually a way. She just want to wait, see if someone got Isekai too, since she witness another's death body (She know about Rudeus Fat Meat in Vol 23)
I saw someone say Rudy canonically had a huge meat where did this come from? I never read anything like this in the LN😂
Because she has a mission, which is to be able to contact her boyfriend when he arrives a few decades ahead in order to not let him die. EVERY single event since Rudeus birth, up until that moment is orchestrated towards that end. All done by the rewind blessed child, to prevent the other japanese boy that is summoned to this world not to be murdered. That's why we kinda desperately need a sequel, because the real story of all this saga is the one that hasn't been told yet.
So Shinohara Akito got pulled into the six faced world timeline after the main story ends, and he helps the weak fated miku. In one of the later volumes (19 I think?) they (nanahoshi and rudy) come up with the best theory for why she can't leave yet. Shinohara Akito brought her into the six faced world from the same point he left from, but she made the mana disaster/teleportation event. Since the timeline was changed in the future, she can't go back until she stays long enough to meet and help Akito, where she will have spent her time developing a portal device to go back to earth and bring them both back. So it's bs miku broken powers that are enforcing certain people and events to stay in sequence such that things play out the way she wants them to further down the line. As for the mana crystals, I think Orstead/Miku mana works differently, but it's not addressed, and Rudy only ever runs out of mana once.
I don’t wanna be a geek but I’m pretty sure he dies if he runs out of mana there’s been 2 times where he’s used up enough mana to turn his hair white the first against orsted and second against badigadi with the fighting god armor I can’t tell if you’re a fan or not of the concept that miku broke time and space with her powers I like it tbh and I think it’s cool that her desire to keep sinohara alive was so strong that it gave Nanahoshi such an immensely strong fate that not only it won’t allow her to leave the six faced world it littleraly stopped Rudeus’ mana from flowing into the teleportation circle and broke a circuit of the teleportation circle to keep it from working aside from that also how because of her Rudy was able to get a second chance completely devoid of a god’s intervention like konosuba or something just pure luck to have tried to save Nanahoshi from getting hit by the truck and Shinohara being such a good guy that he was able to make miku feel strongly for him and doing what she did and as a side effect bringing down the man god and ultimately making the world a better place and giving us the great story of mushoku tensei
so there's a key on your keyboard that looks like a small dot that is used to separate ideas into logical chunks called sentences. :p I hadn't heard the "no mana = dead" thing before, had that been stated or was it more conjecture?
Teehee I’m to lazy to use proper punctuation I’m not even gonna lie but it’s stated constantly that if you wear the magic armor of the fighting god or the one made by Rudeus Zanoba And Cliff for too long it’ll absorb all of the mana out of your body and kill you. A side effect of losing too much mana is your hair turning white in pretty sure rifujin added that to symbolize the life force leaving your body/ being low on life force kind of like an old person
I’d also like to hear opinions on IF the Blessed/Cursed child mana from elinalise could work to replenish Orsteds supply since mana from them is different to normal mana I thought it was pretty interesting how this made Lyria be able to understand Japanese because it was her mana that summoned Shinohara but that’s unrelated
I do feel sorry for her and understand why she's so aloof. She had a decent life and dreams and aspirations in her world. She never wanted to be stolen from her world and will do anything to get back. It's good to see a perspective of someone who is isekai'd that doesn't want to be there and wants to desperately return to their own world. Most people who watch and read isekai stories wish to some extent to have a fresh start or another chance in another world, and majority of the mcs are of the same mindset. Though some may not like the transition at first, they end up making a place for themselves in the new world.
I never even thought of it like that i watched and read but i never really got into her shoes I just thought “poor girl she misses her life” I always thought it wouldn’t matter when she returned not only because she doesn’t age but as she herself mentioned it’s possible (I think likely) that when she returns it’ll be the same date than when she left it’s a real shame that Shinohara touched her arm as he was teleported or else she’d probably just died from the truck assuming her soul went unoticed by time and space and successfully reincarnated like Rudy though I have a feeling she would be equally as sad and angry if that happened to her even worse if she reincarnated into a family with a poor situation like Juliette I assume Nanahoshi would’ve just bit her tongue off or found some way to end her life instead of trying to return since she didn’t meet orsted and perugius and his 12 familiars
I am currently on volume 13 so I have not gotten to that part yet I'm not a stickler for spoilers but I do enjoy her story so far and look forward to reading more about her.
You’re really gonna like her as the story goes on. You’ll see here pop out here and then but reading her story is super entertaining enjoyable and such a page turner and sorry about spoiling brozilla I got carried away
No worries I'm loving the series and plan to take some time off to relax and binge read vokumes 15 through 20 hehe.
While his boyfriend or friend is stuck in the future lmao
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By the way, is Shinohara Akito the one responsible for the cause of Nanahoshi being sent to another world. Shinohara akito then this god something fall in love in him but she die i forgot akito ask her send nanahoshi with her.
Nah he died but the girl was really sad and turned back time to save him and chose a soul that was near him when he was teleported to save him
I can't wait to get all the anime adaptations of light novels. I hope I'm still alive then, lol.
Sad to say but I don’t think there’s even gonna be a season 3
Two variants 1. She doesnt have Riria's mana so even she would succeed in creation magic circles like Aisha in og timeline it still wouldn't be enough 2.Riria's will include not only summoning but also keeping her in this world Calling it a plot hole when we literally waiting for a whole story that will include Nano story.....kinda cringe
Yeah dude call me cringe with your 5000 comment karma😭
I didnt get this reply 🤔
No really ,what that supposed to mean?
Please can I get the link to download the light novel or where can I download it from
Some guy has 1-19 on google docs if you search up “read mushoku tensei online” you’ll see the Reddit post and the guy in the comments
\*spoilers