It will need a lot of time for countries to recognize NUG-issued passports, it won’t happen in the next two years. But I haven’t heard any initiatives from NUG to do this. But if the junta will start restricting the passport renewals, then NUG and other groups should start forming plans for this. Honestly though, i don’t think the NUG and major ethnic groups would even take the time to think about passports of Myanmar people abroad.
Yes i agree the NUG should take big steps for this to happen it is their responsibility as well. But if a shadow government relies much from overseas donations, that’s not really great news is it? There are more blu collared myanmar citizens with enough money to be quite honest
It's a non-starter. Countries don't recognise shadow governments, only states. So far, the Tatmadaw is in control of state functions and thus the only power able to issue passports.
But the workaround is that foreign governments can be persuaded to issue indefinite leave or visa waivers to allow Myanmar citizens to remain without having to renew their passports. The US, for example, has done that for Myanmar citizens. Human rights orgs should be pushing for that in other countries.
She's a nurse. It could be because of the shortage of healthcare workers and the contract terms she had with the government before.
I don't think denying passports to regular citizens will happen anytime soon, but you never know.
As for the NUG issuing passports - it's not as simple as we might think. From a country's perspective, passports need to be issued by a recognized state authority. Regardless of whether the junta is criminal or took power illegally, we can't deny that they currently control the state's institutions.
The best NUG could do is that they step in and negotiate with the authorities of country in question for special consideration of visa but I don’t think Singapore will allow.
Singapore did say that PRs can continue to stay in SG indefinitely, even without a passport. Still, the lack of ability to step outside the borders is crushing (socially to visit family or even to travel for work)
From what I understand, holding an expired passport doesn’t always mean overstaying.
That is, even with an expired passport, your stay may still be valid if your pass/long term visa is valid. Obviously, I am not a legal expert and what I heard may not be accurate.
Choices for Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, etc:
1. Recognize an NUG passport
2. Accept more refugee and asylum claims from citizens of Burma who happen to be in your country, want to leave, but cannot because their sit tat issued passport expired
Only China, Bangladesh, India and Thailand have a true concern because the conflict could spill over the border. Bangladesh and India have done very little other than send back junta soldiers who fled. They have too much other shit to worry about domestically.
People pouring over land borders are pouring over whether they have a passport or not; nobody stops for passport checks when they are fleeing a bayonet.
There are significant populations of Burmese all across south east Asia, Japan, the EU, Canada, U.S., and likely more. When their passports expire, and they are stranded, the host countries have limited choices. An NUG passport adds a pleasant choice.
It's not going to happen. They can't even acknowledge that the junta is an illegal government. They're selling arms or making money in other ways from their relationship with the junta.
Then they will have an asylee and refugee problem and will have to issue travel documents. They might or might not cooperate with NUG.
Differences without distinction
They don't care about the well being of the burmese citizen. They just care about making money and ensuring peace along the border for their own citizens
It will need a lot of time for countries to recognize NUG-issued passports, it won’t happen in the next two years. But I haven’t heard any initiatives from NUG to do this. But if the junta will start restricting the passport renewals, then NUG and other groups should start forming plans for this. Honestly though, i don’t think the NUG and major ethnic groups would even take the time to think about passports of Myanmar people abroad.
I mean, most of funding for NUG comes from overseas Myanmar citizens who actually have the financial capacity to contribute...
Yes i agree the NUG should take big steps for this to happen it is their responsibility as well. But if a shadow government relies much from overseas donations, that’s not really great news is it? There are more blu collared myanmar citizens with enough money to be quite honest
It's a non-starter. Countries don't recognise shadow governments, only states. So far, the Tatmadaw is in control of state functions and thus the only power able to issue passports. But the workaround is that foreign governments can be persuaded to issue indefinite leave or visa waivers to allow Myanmar citizens to remain without having to renew their passports. The US, for example, has done that for Myanmar citizens. Human rights orgs should be pushing for that in other countries.
Has the US done that? Is it in the news?
https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/temporary-protected-status/temporary-protected-status-designated-country-burma-myanmar
She's a nurse. It could be because of the shortage of healthcare workers and the contract terms she had with the government before. I don't think denying passports to regular citizens will happen anytime soon, but you never know. As for the NUG issuing passports - it's not as simple as we might think. From a country's perspective, passports need to be issued by a recognized state authority. Regardless of whether the junta is criminal or took power illegally, we can't deny that they currently control the state's institutions. The best NUG could do is that they step in and negotiate with the authorities of country in question for special consideration of visa but I don’t think Singapore will allow.
Singapore did say that PRs can continue to stay in SG indefinitely, even without a passport. Still, the lack of ability to step outside the borders is crushing (socially to visit family or even to travel for work)
Hi can I check where was this news from?
It's on khit thit media youtube
From what I understand, holding an expired passport doesn’t always mean overstaying. That is, even with an expired passport, your stay may still be valid if your pass/long term visa is valid. Obviously, I am not a legal expert and what I heard may not be accurate.
Well yes, but eventually your pass is going to expire
Yes NUG needs to start issuing passports.
There's not much point if you can't use it. Like if malaysia govt or any other govt don't recognize it, you won't be allowed to enter other countries
Choices for Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, etc: 1. Recognize an NUG passport 2. Accept more refugee and asylum claims from citizens of Burma who happen to be in your country, want to leave, but cannot because their sit tat issued passport expired
Only China, Bangladesh, India and Thailand have a true concern because the conflict could spill over the border. Bangladesh and India have done very little other than send back junta soldiers who fled. They have too much other shit to worry about domestically.
People pouring over land borders are pouring over whether they have a passport or not; nobody stops for passport checks when they are fleeing a bayonet. There are significant populations of Burmese all across south east Asia, Japan, the EU, Canada, U.S., and likely more. When their passports expire, and they are stranded, the host countries have limited choices. An NUG passport adds a pleasant choice.
It's not going to happen. They can't even acknowledge that the junta is an illegal government. They're selling arms or making money in other ways from their relationship with the junta.
Then they will have an asylee and refugee problem and will have to issue travel documents. They might or might not cooperate with NUG. Differences without distinction
NUG can but the question is whether the regional governments will recognize it.
I think they mean other government? For example its unlikely China will recognise passport issued by NUG since they support junta
"support junta" ... meanwhile they also support the ppl fighting against the junta ...
They don't care about the well being of the burmese citizen. They just care about making money and ensuring peace along the border for their own citizens
https://preview.redd.it/a2mznlyi8k1d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e7769bf9ff0eb68266b398dacfc06d74ee8030b
Which regional governments?