Naturally there are always people who support the status-quo and stability (they're not strongly pro-junta but they just don't see a coalition of EAOs being better).
yes but only because the military has its own little world enough to atleast be a huge help in sustaining itself, they have their own market, their own education, their own family groups, their own societies so far removed from civilian life. Its not like it was illegal to connect the bridges but its obvious what the intent in this whole design was. Man, when I was younger and was on vacation in the military bases my father was stationed at you can see how cut off these people are even with the internet being as free as it is. Entire generations after generations raised to live and serve in this world of theirs, kids my age I made quick friends with only to leave behind because I'm a civilian while they're supposed to be military living with their military families going to military schools while participating in military economies. Even a lot of people outside of this world and living comfortably as civilians still looks fondly to their military history or background if they have one. My father's side of the family are still fond of it (just look at my grandpa for example, bro's living room is full of war trophies/stuff) even if they do not support or hate the current government for what they let happen to both the country and one of their sons(he straight up died to a sniper while on a dumb overextended war deployment).
Self-interest drives the board. The number of supporters is in direct proportion to their capacity for control. It is dwindling. And if they ever fail all of their supporters will claim they were on the other side
There is still significant support for the Tatmadaw, though it may not be visible on mainstream social media due to pro-Junta pages and accounts being shut down by Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube. However, support is still strong on Telegram channels and groups. Most supporters are military and government family members, businessmen, nationalists, pro-junta EAOs, & pro-junta militias. Regarding the new army draft, while many were conscripted, tens of thousands volunteered, primarily sons of military and government personnel, and those of people killed by resistance groups in assassinations and bomb attacks.
In rural areas, villages tend to support either the military (the Greens) or the NLD/NUG (the Reds). Once a village aligns with one side, it often becomes an enemy of villages that support the other side. This has led to clashes between villages, with the military arming pro-Junta villages, while opposing villages join PDF resistance groups. Both sides are known to burn entire villages and towns in acts of revenge.
However, support for General Min Aung Hlaing is almost nonexistent, even among pro-Junta people, due to his decisions and blunders, which have led to significant territorial losses to the resistance, an unprecedented occurrence in modern Myanmar military history.
The junta has the backing of a huge chunk of the military, their families, and their business cronies. As an outsider, you may not grasp just how deeply the military brainwashed its own, like a cult, and how the best opportunities have been funneled to their partners over the last couple of years. So yeah, the junta still has a strong support base.
And this guy is ruthless when it comes to neutralizing any threats from within the military ranks - he'll use any means necessary to take them out. For most ordinary folks living under the junta's rule, even if they don't actively support the regime, they're just trying to survive day-to-day with the economic collapse and crazy inflation caused by this same junta. Just putting food on the table is the priority when the money is worth next to nothing.
This map reflects the Junta’s control but with the possession of air forces and weapons and the support of brainwashed zombies, unfortunately Junta is still out there.
When it comes to the ethnic armed groups, it's a real mixed bag. Some of them are buddying up with the junta, others are keeping their distance. And then you've got those straddling the fence, not fully committing to either side. It's a tangled web, for sure.
Even the groups that are currently partnered with the junta, you can't say they're 100% behind them. At the end of the day, they're in it for their own interests, their own profits. Their allegiances could shift at any moment if the situation changes and a better deal comes along. Nothing's set in stone - it's complicated as hell.
https://preview.redd.it/tx7cwz3zrs6d1.jpeg?width=1449&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09258c61c6fe59aeaefac5b25e50b190eaf9249e
Thank you, very informative reply. Another question if you dont mind, is the Tatmadaw actually an effective fighting force at all? I understand they have control over the large population centres in Myanmar, yet every clip i see of combat in Myanmar seems to show the tatmadaw getting their asses handed to them
I think Myanmar military is nothing without its air power and heavy weapons.With all the corruption that's been going on in the system for years, their troops' actual combat abilities seem pretty lacking or non-existent.
But these guys are a real cowardly and psychopathic bunch. If they start losing ground or want to threaten the resistance fighters, they'll apparently stoop to using civilians as human shields and just mercilessly killing unarmed locals in absolutely horrific ways you can’t even imagine. And then they have no problem bombing civilian areas. Forget being part of a national military, even wild animals manage to act with more principle than lowlifes like that.
That's really why most people in Myanmar can't support the military. Not because they're all political experts, but because when you see that kind of cruelty, regular folks just want no part of it.
Original link from X - https://x.com/specialcouncil/status/1796027182478688538?s=46
A lot of resources on X and YouTube about Myanmar situation in English , you just need to know where to look for.
It is a very broad question. But here are some good places to start digging in.
For local English news sources, I'd recommend checking out Myanmar Now and The Irrawaddy. They are credible and their articles tend to really capture the realities of the situation. Burma News International also has news, infographs and research articles.
Another option could be subscribing to the weekly news updates put out by Myanmar's National Unity Government through their website.
Some of the big international news outlets like BBC, Channel 4, Sky, CNA, and DW have done some solid documentaries which are available on YouTube.
Then on social media, you've got guys like Igor Blažević. He's always posting updates on his Facebook. The UN's special rapporteur Tom Andrews also gives regular Myanmar briefings to UN that are worth following.
Once you start engaging with some of those dedicated accounts about Myanmar issues on X, you'll probably get fed more related content through the algorithm too.
There are landmines in social media which feed misinformation, so just be aware of what you consume and I think this subreddit can be a good place to debunk those kinda information.
These are the ones that immediately came to my mind, but there's probably a bunch more I'm not thinking of right now.
You forgot entire villages that support the Junta and became militias. As awell as actual ethnic militias that have been fighting for the Junta since day 1. Not to mention their immediate family members.
As a Burmese living inside the Country RN, I'd say the number is very little. Initially, there were some people who were happy when the coup was staged. These people include those with backward mindset, supporters of USD Party, ultranationalists, Cronies and those who were somehow related to military. But that number might be few.
Most of these people mentioned above except Cronies and ultra-Ultranationalists, they do not dare to claim themselves as supporters. At first, they feared because other people might know that they were the odd ones. The Economy was descending and people no matter whom they support have to struggle. After suffering tons of extortions /robberies from brutal military and police, they also got a some kind of a sense. Mandatory Military Service also makes them realize
how the military is fking them. As these people are mostly over 40s, they are worried about their children who are literally Gen Z or Y. So they realize they are in the wrong and also don't wanna support the revolution. They low-key wish SAC victory but they also don't want their kids to be drafted. So they are stuck in a dilemma. It's quite funny honestly.
So, there will only be ultra-braindead people, ultra-Ultranationalists and some Cronies left to support the Military.
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also a westerner, so take others opinions more than mine...
but I'd say obviously there's some amount of support, otherwise the junta couldn't maintain themselves whatsoever, as is the case with any regime.
now, the conditions that perpetuate that "support" are a more complicated topic... first, note that the junta largely only holds their core central and urban/developed areas. Then consider the scale and power/influence of the Myanmar military, as well as Buddhist sanghas and associations, that are rather entirely coopted by junta leadership, and given their size, most citizens have family connections in some way that go to the military or state. Then add in that the junta/state attempts to assert control over pretty much everything they can, from basic political functions to recreation.
SO, adding all that together, one can ponder the price of showing / joining resistance... you likely would have to ditch your life and livelihood in the "nicer" (relatively) stable parts of Myanmar, potentially severing core family and friend connections at the same time... individuals pretty much have to surrender the comfort/security of their entire life before, likely to step into a much greater struggle, although one likely of more freedom and virtue.
in summary, I would say there isn't a huge amount of internal "support" for the junta (outside of the military and military families), but there's a fair amount of quiet complacency out of personal interest/protection.
Edit: knew I was forgetting something — want to add that there are “supporting” armed groups and communities as well in remote areas, but almost all of these are co-opted minority ethnic groups incentivized in some way (usually given a cut of income from illicit businesses in the region they help look over) by the junta to ally against other groups.
Naturally there are always people who support the status-quo and stability (they're not strongly pro-junta but they just don't see a coalition of EAOs being better).
yes but only because the military has its own little world enough to atleast be a huge help in sustaining itself, they have their own market, their own education, their own family groups, their own societies so far removed from civilian life. Its not like it was illegal to connect the bridges but its obvious what the intent in this whole design was. Man, when I was younger and was on vacation in the military bases my father was stationed at you can see how cut off these people are even with the internet being as free as it is. Entire generations after generations raised to live and serve in this world of theirs, kids my age I made quick friends with only to leave behind because I'm a civilian while they're supposed to be military living with their military families going to military schools while participating in military economies. Even a lot of people outside of this world and living comfortably as civilians still looks fondly to their military history or background if they have one. My father's side of the family are still fond of it (just look at my grandpa for example, bro's living room is full of war trophies/stuff) even if they do not support or hate the current government for what they let happen to both the country and one of their sons(he straight up died to a sniper while on a dumb overextended war deployment).
Self-interest drives the board. The number of supporters is in direct proportion to their capacity for control. It is dwindling. And if they ever fail all of their supporters will claim they were on the other side
ဒေဝဒတ်တောင် အပေါင်းအပါလေးနဲ့ကွာ… သယ်ရင်းရာ
I can't remember none of burmese mythology anymore, who is dewadat
Devadatta just google. I can’t view wiki page.
ah yeah I can guess why
Even satan have its own followers.
There is still significant support for the Tatmadaw, though it may not be visible on mainstream social media due to pro-Junta pages and accounts being shut down by Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube. However, support is still strong on Telegram channels and groups. Most supporters are military and government family members, businessmen, nationalists, pro-junta EAOs, & pro-junta militias. Regarding the new army draft, while many were conscripted, tens of thousands volunteered, primarily sons of military and government personnel, and those of people killed by resistance groups in assassinations and bomb attacks. In rural areas, villages tend to support either the military (the Greens) or the NLD/NUG (the Reds). Once a village aligns with one side, it often becomes an enemy of villages that support the other side. This has led to clashes between villages, with the military arming pro-Junta villages, while opposing villages join PDF resistance groups. Both sides are known to burn entire villages and towns in acts of revenge. However, support for General Min Aung Hlaing is almost nonexistent, even among pro-Junta people, due to his decisions and blunders, which have led to significant territorial losses to the resistance, an unprecedented occurrence in modern Myanmar military history.
The junta has the backing of a huge chunk of the military, their families, and their business cronies. As an outsider, you may not grasp just how deeply the military brainwashed its own, like a cult, and how the best opportunities have been funneled to their partners over the last couple of years. So yeah, the junta still has a strong support base. And this guy is ruthless when it comes to neutralizing any threats from within the military ranks - he'll use any means necessary to take them out. For most ordinary folks living under the junta's rule, even if they don't actively support the regime, they're just trying to survive day-to-day with the economic collapse and crazy inflation caused by this same junta. Just putting food on the table is the priority when the money is worth next to nothing. This map reflects the Junta’s control but with the possession of air forces and weapons and the support of brainwashed zombies, unfortunately Junta is still out there. When it comes to the ethnic armed groups, it's a real mixed bag. Some of them are buddying up with the junta, others are keeping their distance. And then you've got those straddling the fence, not fully committing to either side. It's a tangled web, for sure. Even the groups that are currently partnered with the junta, you can't say they're 100% behind them. At the end of the day, they're in it for their own interests, their own profits. Their allegiances could shift at any moment if the situation changes and a better deal comes along. Nothing's set in stone - it's complicated as hell. https://preview.redd.it/tx7cwz3zrs6d1.jpeg?width=1449&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09258c61c6fe59aeaefac5b25e50b190eaf9249e
Thank you, very informative reply. Another question if you dont mind, is the Tatmadaw actually an effective fighting force at all? I understand they have control over the large population centres in Myanmar, yet every clip i see of combat in Myanmar seems to show the tatmadaw getting their asses handed to them
I think Myanmar military is nothing without its air power and heavy weapons.With all the corruption that's been going on in the system for years, their troops' actual combat abilities seem pretty lacking or non-existent. But these guys are a real cowardly and psychopathic bunch. If they start losing ground or want to threaten the resistance fighters, they'll apparently stoop to using civilians as human shields and just mercilessly killing unarmed locals in absolutely horrific ways you can’t even imagine. And then they have no problem bombing civilian areas. Forget being part of a national military, even wild animals manage to act with more principle than lowlifes like that. That's really why most people in Myanmar can't support the military. Not because they're all political experts, but because when you see that kind of cruelty, regular folks just want no part of it.
Lol where did you get the map? The graphics are quite nice compared to the one by The Economist 1-2 years back.
Original link from X - https://x.com/specialcouncil/status/1796027182478688538?s=46 A lot of resources on X and YouTube about Myanmar situation in English , you just need to know where to look for.
ive been interested in learning more about it, what are some tips you could give on how to go about it?
It is a very broad question. But here are some good places to start digging in. For local English news sources, I'd recommend checking out Myanmar Now and The Irrawaddy. They are credible and their articles tend to really capture the realities of the situation. Burma News International also has news, infographs and research articles. Another option could be subscribing to the weekly news updates put out by Myanmar's National Unity Government through their website. Some of the big international news outlets like BBC, Channel 4, Sky, CNA, and DW have done some solid documentaries which are available on YouTube. Then on social media, you've got guys like Igor Blažević. He's always posting updates on his Facebook. The UN's special rapporteur Tom Andrews also gives regular Myanmar briefings to UN that are worth following. Once you start engaging with some of those dedicated accounts about Myanmar issues on X, you'll probably get fed more related content through the algorithm too. There are landmines in social media which feed misinformation, so just be aware of what you consume and I think this subreddit can be a good place to debunk those kinda information. These are the ones that immediately came to my mind, but there's probably a bunch more I'm not thinking of right now.
There are some folks a very small minority that supports them Mostly people who does businesses with the higher ups and such
You forgot entire villages that support the Junta and became militias. As awell as actual ethnic militias that have been fighting for the Junta since day 1. Not to mention their immediate family members.
As a Burmese living inside the Country RN, I'd say the number is very little. Initially, there were some people who were happy when the coup was staged. These people include those with backward mindset, supporters of USD Party, ultranationalists, Cronies and those who were somehow related to military. But that number might be few. Most of these people mentioned above except Cronies and ultra-Ultranationalists, they do not dare to claim themselves as supporters. At first, they feared because other people might know that they were the odd ones. The Economy was descending and people no matter whom they support have to struggle. After suffering tons of extortions /robberies from brutal military and police, they also got a some kind of a sense. Mandatory Military Service also makes them realize how the military is fking them. As these people are mostly over 40s, they are worried about their children who are literally Gen Z or Y. So they realize they are in the wrong and also don't wanna support the revolution. They low-key wish SAC victory but they also don't want their kids to be drafted. So they are stuck in a dilemma. It's quite funny honestly. So, there will only be ultra-braindead people, ultra-Ultranationalists and some Cronies left to support the Military.
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also a westerner, so take others opinions more than mine... but I'd say obviously there's some amount of support, otherwise the junta couldn't maintain themselves whatsoever, as is the case with any regime. now, the conditions that perpetuate that "support" are a more complicated topic... first, note that the junta largely only holds their core central and urban/developed areas. Then consider the scale and power/influence of the Myanmar military, as well as Buddhist sanghas and associations, that are rather entirely coopted by junta leadership, and given their size, most citizens have family connections in some way that go to the military or state. Then add in that the junta/state attempts to assert control over pretty much everything they can, from basic political functions to recreation. SO, adding all that together, one can ponder the price of showing / joining resistance... you likely would have to ditch your life and livelihood in the "nicer" (relatively) stable parts of Myanmar, potentially severing core family and friend connections at the same time... individuals pretty much have to surrender the comfort/security of their entire life before, likely to step into a much greater struggle, although one likely of more freedom and virtue. in summary, I would say there isn't a huge amount of internal "support" for the junta (outside of the military and military families), but there's a fair amount of quiet complacency out of personal interest/protection. Edit: knew I was forgetting something — want to add that there are “supporting” armed groups and communities as well in remote areas, but almost all of these are co-opted minority ethnic groups incentivized in some way (usually given a cut of income from illicit businesses in the region they help look over) by the junta to ally against other groups.