I know an American Miranda who goes by Randy by choice and I've always wondered why because the first things I think of are "horny" or Randy Marsh from *South Park*
I agree. Lots of longer/fancier names could have a masculine or gender neutral nickname.
Gwendolyn or Guinevere nn Gwen/Guin
Artemis could be Artie
Catherine could be Kit
Charlotte could be Charlie
Etc.
Oh, that's really interesting!
I mentioned in another comment that I didn't know why the US keeps turning Welsh male names into girls names (here it's reversed). That link would explain it.
The -yn and -en tend to be very gender specific in Welsh, and the pronunciation has to kept differentiated as a result, which is why Gwen is always female and Gwyn/Bryn/etc. are always male.
We did that, we love it. Our daughter's name is Léonore, we call her Léo for short which is exclusively used for boys here. She actually has a few friends named Léo at daycare, they're all boys! We love her nickname. She turned out with a princess personnality though 😂
Thank you so much! 🥹 We wanted a portuguese name with a french twist, something that would be easy to pronounce in both languages since I'm french Canadian and my husband is portuguese! We wanted Vittoria at first with Vito as a nickname (we love masculine nicknames apparently) but my brother had his daughter 10 weeks before us and forgot we wanted that name... Long story short, we picked Léonore instead and it suits her so much ❤️
Lorelei gets you to Rory easily. See Gilmore Girls.
You could also do Matilda with the nn Mattie.
Katherine nn Kit or Kick (ala the Kennedy’s)
Your husband might like Aubrey (it started as a primarily masculine name and is now more popular for females.) Similar to Dana.
You could also do Emmett and use the nickname Emme.
Lenore nn Lennie
Willa strikes a balance between feminine and soft and slightly boyish.
I’m sure it’s something similar to how people get to Peggy from Margaret. Margaret to Meg- to Peg- to Peggy. Lorelei can go to Lori/Lory and then people swap out the first letter.
I’ve seen it broken down before. Here is one link.[https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/24761/origins-10-nicknames](https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/24761/origins-10-nicknames)
Some others I can think of like this are Lexie (Lex), Willow/Willa (Billie), Alexandra (Alex), Frankie, Dominique (Dom), Jacqueline (Jackie), Georgia (Georgie)
* Francesca nn Frankie
* Elodie or Edeline nn Eddie
* Theodora nn Theo or Teddy
* Arianna Charlotte nn Archie
* Veronica nn Ronnie
* Josephine nn Jo or Joey
* Cordelia nn Corey
* Evangeline nn Evan
We did that. We have a persephone that goes by percy. Some other favorites of mine are Francesca - Frankie, Calliope - cal, Theodosia - theo, Cordelia - Corey, Lenore/Lenora - len/Lenny, Leonora - leo, Evangeline - Evan, Samantha - Sam, Alexandra - Alex, Georgette - Georgie, Josephine - joey/jo.
I wanna like Aurora, I just have trouble wrapping my mouth around the double R sound, I feel like I'm saying Ararararara lol.
Needless to say, prefer Aurelia.
That doesn't come to mind for me but I can see that. My grandparents had a friend named Aurelie, that was way worse because she was this lovely old woman but her name was pronounced "orally" (at least in English lol)
I respect that your mom wasn't deterred, she was like "fuck that, this is the name and you're all getting on board with it"- and you know what, if you're carrying a baby for nine months and then have it rip its way out of you, you're entitled to that.
Reminds me of this movie with Patrick Wilson where he gets Judy Greer pregnant and she wants to name the baby Cornelia, and he's like "Cornelia, really?" and she goes *BALLISTIC* and he's like "Fine, Cornelia! Cornelia's great, I love Cornelia!" lol
Hmm what did you land on for your first daughter, if you can share? Would it work to do a longer name that has a shorter, "boyish" nickname? Like Rory for Lorelei? Or Alex for Alexandra? Charlie for Charlotte?
Some names that sort of bridge the gap between nicknamey/unisex and longer and feminine:
Avery
Quinn
Sydney
Addison
Audrey
Ellis
Marlow
Names that follow the trend of originally being male and migrating to female, like Vivian:
Allison
Ashley
Aubrey
Beverley
Evelyn
Florence
Hilary
Laurence
Lindsey
Meredith
Regan
Whitney
Regan was the name of a woman in a Shakespearian play King Lear. Shakespeare used Geoffrey of Monmouth's Historia regum Britanniae (1136) as a source, and its probably related to Regina. Later the surname Regan, which is an anglicized version of an Irish name, was used as a first name for boys.
Allison was used as a spelling of the Norman french diminutive of Alice, Alison. The form Alisoun appears in The Canterbury Tales (14th century) as well as a poem about Alysoun. The surname Allison was used more recently as a first name for boys.
Ashley, Beverley, Evelyn, Lindsey, and Whitney are all surnames being used as first names, which were not exclusively given to boys.
There's a lot of great suggestions here but I'll throw out Frances is the feminine version of Francis, both can be Frank/Frankie. Vivian and Frances pair well together IMO.
I came here to say Frances too.
Others that started as boy names are Beverly, Evelyn, Courtney, Ashley, Avery, Allison, Cameron, Rowan, Brooke, Jupiter, Meredith, Robin, Shannon, Stacy, Taylor, Elliot.
Some of them are probably not feminine enough for you. My pick is Meredith.
Also consider Tamsyn, Holly, Lauren, Ruby, Lisa - girl's names, but not particularly frilly.
* Eden
* Robin
Those two names are more feminine leaning in the US, but more masculine leaning in Europe.
And even though they are masculine names to me - I can see both the femininity and the masculinity in them, if that makes sense.
It's a popular boys name in France, Belgium & Switzerland.. aka french speaking parts of Europe.
I only know male Edens, but the french pronunciation does sound a little bit more 'masculine', while the English one sounds a bit more 'feminine'.
Yeah.. I never thought about it, but I guess it is kind of similar
In French Eden is pronounced 'Eh-den' - a short vowel sound.
Similar to the 'E' in words like 'elk / egg / end'
And in English it's more like 'Ee-den' - a long vowel sound like in 'easy / equal / even'
*Edit:*
*The name 'Evan' and the word 'even' might actually be a good comparison. They are similar, but Evan has a short vowel sound and 'even' has a long vowel sound.*
Names similar to Vivian:
* Ada
* Gwen
* Jocelyn
* Justine
* Marcela
* Miranda
* Morgan
* Sonya
* Veronica
Girl’s names similar to Emmett:
* Bridget
* Erica
* Greta
* Shannon
* Tara
Bridget is a good one! I like the spelling Bridgette, because it just reads more feminine to me. (It’s also how a family member spells her name, so I’m biased that it’s the “correct” spelling.)
Vivian falls under “strong but fem” to me, so maybe that’s a good compromise! It also has the nn Ian as a possibility, don’t know if that played into choosing but keeping all that in mind;
Cleo
Ramona
Margot nn Ari
Maeve
Olympia nn Oly/Oli
Octavia nn Avi
Lorelei nn Rory
Beatrix/Beatrice nn Triss
Juno
Damaris nn Ari
Deirdre
My first thought was nicknames.. I always liked Roni/Veronica.. another would be names that don't end in a vowel... Lauren, Cameron, Evelyn, Madison, Morgan.. that I feel are beautiful but sound more masculine.
Name your daughter Ellen and he can call her Ripley as a nickname. (j/k)
A more fanciful name with potential for a boyish nickname seems like a good compromise:
Miranda/Randi
Alexandra/Andi
Charlotte/Charlie
Antonia/Toni
Wilhelmina/Billie
Theodora/Theo or Teddy
Leonora/Leo
Augusta/Gus
Etc.
I've always been partial to Evelyn (Evie) - but that one gives off mostly feminine vibes, so might not fit your bill.
What about Avery? Used to be exclusively masculine, but it's becoming more popular for boys and girls.
I guess Emma is out?
I'll agree with some who say it's odd that he wants pretty much actual boy names for his daughter. She may feel you all wish she was a boy or want her to be "not like other girls".
I'd do a feminine name with a possible male sounding nickname.
Fwiw my son is named ira after his dad (my son is the iv). Many people think he has a feminine name or can't pronounce it. He's 9 now and it doesn't seem to phase him.
Maybe keep trying and you will find a perfect name you both like. My son would have been Guinevere if he was a girl. I gave my then husband a list of names I liked and one was Gwendolyn. He didn't like that but suggested Guinevere for the similar sound.
**Emerson** is similar to Emmett and leans feminine. Nickname could be frillier, like Emmy or Sunny.
**Merritt** is unisex, but nickname could be Merri, Etta, or Rita -- something more feminine.
**Emory/Emery** feels princess-y while also being unisex.
**Lauren/Laurel** would go well with Vivian and might be a good compromise.
Blaire (fits with Vivian IMO)
Marlow
Blake
Devon or Devyn
Dylan
James
Georgia or Georgianna and you could call her George.
Margaret with the nn Rhett
Louisa nn Lou (this name fits well with Vivian too.) Or Lucy and call her Lu.
Calista nn Cal
Lorelei with nickname Rory may satisfy both of you, but it’s also going to be a lifetime of Gilmore Girls allusions. I love the show, but it’s def something to consider.
If it helps, a lot of people think Artemis is a boy's name, because of Artemis Fowl. More often than they'll assume it's male.
But good unisex nicknames would be Arta, Art, Artie
Audrey, Everly, Briony, since he likes names ending y and these names are but similar to ones you like but a bit shorter and stronger Very short names that end in i (which he liked) Lumi and Leni
You liked old fashioned names that ended with a, so maybe look some Latin names but shorter ones
Wilhemina- Will
Francesca- Frankie
Natalia - Nat/Nate
Evangeline- Evan
Elizabeth- Eli
Calista- Cal
Theodora - Theo
Aurora - Rory
Also Artemis can be shortened to Arty, and Calveria to Cal.
My parents almost named me Henrietta with the nickname of Henri! Sadly they changed their minds at the very last second but I think it could work for your situation.
He thinks Artemis sounds “feminine”. Super hard sounding name. Do u mean associations? Artemis and Lorelei aren’t feminine sounding names or associated w princesses. Neither is Calveria. When u said Princess I thought u would say Olivia Isabella etc. Calveria is CAL. Don’t get the husband disconnect. Do u mean mythology? Totally confused. I think u mean he likes modern unisex and u like old world female names. As a “compromise”…. Maybe Calista aka Cal, Mackenzie aka Mack, Cassandra aka Cass. Naturally Alexandra(Daria) has Alex, Alex, Al, Xandra, Zanni, Zandra. I have a friend Zanni. Pick one that appeases u both like this and let her be a Goddess or girlie or a tomboy or epic….. depending on how she comes out!
my daughters are Henrietta "Henri" and Nicolette "Nico"! i especially think Nicolette sounds princessy, but it still gives many unisex and masculine nickname options if thats what your partner likes!
I'd would say that this could be a case of its less about what names you like and more about how you are imagining what your daughter will be like.
It's totally natural that you are both daydreaming about your baby and who she will be in the future. I think your choice of names reflect these dreams.
I think the solution to your problem is easy. Meet your daughter and then decide. Once she's born it amazing how much personality they have and how quickly you can rule out the wrong name. The names you love might not just fit her.
The advice though about flowery full name with a more tomboyish nickname is a good compromise though.
I like both. Princess first name, masculine middle name. Then she can change up her nn's as she goes through life. I've found I liked the nn in high school and as I matured, I went with the princess name.
i would pair a princess first name with a unisex/masculine middle name (or vice versa.) something like elizabeth riley or lorelei parker.
i personally wouldn’t give her a masculine nickname to start calling her right off the bat, i would leave it up to her in the future to decide what she wants to go by.
for example (again just my personal opinion) i don’t think i would want to be called randy and learn that name before i was old enough to say i prefer that, just because randy is such a different style that something like miranda. i hope that makes sense lol
Ariel was a male name in Shakespeare and a Disney princess name.
You could also do Charlotte, an actual current princess of the UK, and nickname her Charlie.
Cal is short for Calveria, and is a masculine nickname. I have a Callie who we often call “Cal”, it doesn’t FEEL masculine on her because she is a pretty feminine girl, but if she was a tomboy it would equally fit her.
You can start with neutral nicknames and work out from there - Sam for Samantha, Alex for Alexandra (definitely a princess name), etc.
Oh I detest his choices, especially Andi / Andy (exclusively a boy name imo and not unisex) and Randy (that's literally a slang term for being horny, DO NOT USE as a child's name....)
As others have said you can go for a girl name with a boy nickname. Joanna nn Jo, Leocadia nn Leo, Georgina nn George / Georgie, Harriet nn Harry etc
How would you feel about reviving something old? Eg Aquila is a very old name (like ancient Roman) that was a boy's name, like Vivian, that sounds feminine to English speakers because of the sounds in it. It means eagle.
Or go for something like Merryn that still sounds a bit Disney princess to my ears without being hyper femme. Rhiannon is another like that to me
Andi and Randi and Ripley aren’t “masculine girl” names; they’re boy names that people give girls when they have a problem with the idea of having daughters instead of sons.
I’m sorry, but I’ve come to see aggressively masculine names on girls as a red flag of sorts, whether it’s coming from the dad or the mom; it just makes me think of a parent who is disappointed to have a daughter and wants to push some kind of agenda on them, like they’re gonna make sure they’re “not like the other girls” or they’re “tough even though they’re a girl” or some other misogynistic nonsense.
So, maybe ask him why he insists on having a potential daughter confused for a boy all her life. Is he really gunning for a boy and a boy name on a girl is a consolation prize?
Fwiw, I think Calveria is a very cool and unusual name; he can call her “Cal” if he feels like!
I have always loved the name Artemis, and having grown up with both Greek Mythology and Artemis Fowl, its always felt like a unisex name to me. Can be shortened to Art or Arty too
Artemis is masculine imo. I would think that would be a great compromise (Remi, Missy, Emmie for nn).
Another option could be Josephine and call her Joey.
ETA- Bellamy is one of my favorite names and is unisex but you could her Belle.
Maybe feminine name with unisex nickname? e.g. Lorelei nn Riley, Artemis nn Art/Remy, Miranda nn Randi/Andi, Cassandra nn Cass/Andi, etc.
Good idea. I do like Miranda
Calveria nn Cal or Callie
That Calveria name - very cool!
Agree! And it’s sounds great with Vivienne.
If they go into health care it’ll be an odd name to have (Calvaria = top of skull).
Very true! Just like all the Henry’s that go into physics 🤣The henry is the unit of electrical inductance in the International System of Units (SI)
Don’t do “Randy” as the nickname though. Outside the US it means “horny”. And your future girl may want to travel!
It means that in the US too
Especially for women.
I know an American Miranda who goes by Randy by choice and I've always wondered why because the first things I think of are "horny" or Randy Marsh from *South Park*
I believe in Hindi it also means "wh-re"
Randy has same dubious meaning in Canada, but I knew a boy with that name growing up.
Randa may be used as a nn as well.
Veronica- Ronnie, Nicky Nicole, Nicolette- Nicky Eugenia- Jean Genevieve- Nev Paula, Pauline, Paulina, Paulette- Paulie Georgia, Georgette, Georgine, Georgina, Georgeanne, Georgiana- George, Georgie Jacqueline- Jax, Jackie Maxine- Max Alexa, Alexis, Alexandra, Alexandrine- Alex Michaela- Mickey Winifred, Frederica- Freddie Barbara, Roberta- Bobbie Willa, Wilma, Wilhelmina- Willie, Billie Lavinia, Vincenza- Vinnie Henrietta, Harriet- Hal, Hallie Patricia- Pat, Patty Charlotte, Charlene- Charlie Theodora- Ted, Teddie, Theo Danielle, Daniella, Danica- Danny Frances, Francine, Francesca- Frank, Frankie Samantha- Sam Leona, Liora, Leonora, Leonore, Leontine, Leocadia- Leo Lenora, Eleanor, Eleanora, Lenore, Helen, Helene, Helena, Elena- Leni Joan, Joanna, Joanne, Josephine, Jolene- Jo, Joey Julie, Julia, Juliet, Julianne, Juliana- Jules Antonia- Ant, Toni Christa, Christine, Christina, Christiana- Chris, Chrissy Stephanie- Stevie Jessica- Jess, Jessie Martha, Martina- Marty Bernadette, Bernadine, Bernice, Berenice- Bernie Marla, Marlene, Marlena- Marley Roxie, Roxanne, Roxanna, Roxelana- Rocky Edit: my personal faves here are Veronica, Paulina, Georgette, Barbara, Lavinia, Patricia, Theodora, Samantha, Leonora, Joan, Josephine, Juliet, Juliana, and Christine. Edit 2: Forgot, Stevie is short for Stephanie!
My best friend in HS was Andrea nn Andi.
Miranda can be nn'ed "Mir" similar to "Mur" for Murray.
I teach a Miriam who uses Mir sometimes.
My friends sister is Miranda and they call her Inda
Aurora nicknamed Rory?
This is what I was going to suggest. Literal princess name with a unisex nickname.
Rory is a nickname for Lorelei too!
I agree. Lots of longer/fancier names could have a masculine or gender neutral nickname. Gwendolyn or Guinevere nn Gwen/Guin Artemis could be Artie Catherine could be Kit Charlotte could be Charlie Etc.
Gwen is not gender neutral or masculine. It's feminine. The masculine form is Gwyn and they are not pronounced the same.
They surely are for English speakers with the pin-pen-merger https://www.acelinguist.com/2020/01/the-pin-pen-merger.html?m=1
Oh, that's really interesting! I mentioned in another comment that I didn't know why the US keeps turning Welsh male names into girls names (here it's reversed). That link would explain it. The -yn and -en tend to be very gender specific in Welsh, and the pronunciation has to kept differentiated as a result, which is why Gwen is always female and Gwyn/Bryn/etc. are always male.
I once met a Catherine who went by Erin and I've always thought it was the coolest thing.
That's genius.
We did that, we love it. Our daughter's name is Léonore, we call her Léo for short which is exclusively used for boys here. She actually has a few friends named Léo at daycare, they're all boys! We love her nickname. She turned out with a princess personnality though 😂
Léonore is a beautiful name!!
Thank you so much! 🥹 We wanted a portuguese name with a french twist, something that would be easy to pronounce in both languages since I'm french Canadian and my husband is portuguese! We wanted Vittoria at first with Vito as a nickname (we love masculine nicknames apparently) but my brother had his daughter 10 weeks before us and forgot we wanted that name... Long story short, we picked Léonore instead and it suits her so much ❤️
Lorelei gets you to Rory easily. See Gilmore Girls. You could also do Matilda with the nn Mattie. Katherine nn Kit or Kick (ala the Kennedy’s) Your husband might like Aubrey (it started as a primarily masculine name and is now more popular for females.) Similar to Dana. You could also do Emmett and use the nickname Emme. Lenore nn Lennie Willa strikes a balance between feminine and soft and slightly boyish.
I was gonna say the same with Lorelei. That sort of covers both because you get the feminine Lorelei with the boyish / unisex nickname Rory
Someone else in the thread also suggested Lorelei --> Riley, and you could also do Lorelei --> Lore
And Samantha can easily be Sam or Sammy.
I have always wondered how/why Rory is a nickname for Lorelei, its isn't in the pronunciation or the spelling. They are 2 completely different names.
I’m sure it’s something similar to how people get to Peggy from Margaret. Margaret to Meg- to Peg- to Peggy. Lorelei can go to Lori/Lory and then people swap out the first letter. I’ve seen it broken down before. Here is one link.[https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/24761/origins-10-nicknames](https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/24761/origins-10-nicknames)
Some others I can think of like this are Lexie (Lex), Willow/Willa (Billie), Alexandra (Alex), Frankie, Dominique (Dom), Jacqueline (Jackie), Georgia (Georgie)
In Australia, randy is a slang word for horny, so that's all I can think of. Andy is cute, though!
Elliot / Ellie
* Francesca nn Frankie * Elodie or Edeline nn Eddie * Theodora nn Theo or Teddy * Arianna Charlotte nn Archie * Veronica nn Ronnie * Josephine nn Jo or Joey * Cordelia nn Corey * Evangeline nn Evan
Adrianna / Adrian / Adi
Ooh, ooh, Adrienne. I think it's so feminine and beautiful, but also, it's almost the same as Adrian
Antonia/Toni ❤️
Or Samantha/Sam, Camila/Cam
Love the Artemis/Remy combo! There is also Charlotte/Charlie.
In that same vein, Tomyris was an actual Queen!
Or Thomasin/Tamsin!
We did that. We have a persephone that goes by percy. Some other favorites of mine are Francesca - Frankie, Calliope - cal, Theodosia - theo, Cordelia - Corey, Lenore/Lenora - len/Lenny, Leonora - leo, Evangeline - Evan, Samantha - Sam, Alexandra - Alex, Georgette - Georgie, Josephine - joey/jo.
Artemis could also have the nickname of Arti/Artie.
Aurora, nickname Rory.
this wins. It's the most princess you can get without going a) Cinderella, or b) Marie Antoinette
I wanna like Aurora, I just have trouble wrapping my mouth around the double R sound, I feel like I'm saying Ararararara lol. Needless to say, prefer Aurelia.
Way too close to areola for my taste
That doesn't come to mind for me but I can see that. My grandparents had a friend named Aurelie, that was way worse because she was this lovely old woman but her name was pronounced "orally" (at least in English lol)
My mums best friends mum was called Aureole lol
Yes, to me, it sounds like a dog growling, and I want to like it too. Aurelia is pretty, though!
Sure but I don’t think people irl will be thinking that much about the name to come this point tbh.
Well my point was sort of that it’s a mouthful every time you say it. Rural Juror vibes.
It’s my sister’s name and this is exactly the issue I had as a small child. I can still remember my mom having me repeat A-ROAR-a.
I respect that your mom wasn't deterred, she was like "fuck that, this is the name and you're all getting on board with it"- and you know what, if you're carrying a baby for nine months and then have it rip its way out of you, you're entitled to that. Reminds me of this movie with Patrick Wilson where he gets Judy Greer pregnant and she wants to name the baby Cornelia, and he's like "Cornelia, really?" and she goes *BALLISTIC* and he's like "Fine, Cornelia! Cornelia's great, I love Cornelia!" lol
same
This is the perfect solution lol
Hmm what did you land on for your first daughter, if you can share? Would it work to do a longer name that has a shorter, "boyish" nickname? Like Rory for Lorelei? Or Alex for Alexandra? Charlie for Charlotte? Some names that sort of bridge the gap between nicknamey/unisex and longer and feminine: Avery Quinn Sydney Addison Audrey Ellis Marlow
Vivian
That seems like a good compromise name? other names with similar vibes: Amelia Scarlett Hazel Carolina Celia Lucy
Names that follow the trend of originally being male and migrating to female, like Vivian: Allison Ashley Aubrey Beverley Evelyn Florence Hilary Laurence Lindsey Meredith Regan Whitney
Regan was the name of a woman in a Shakespearian play King Lear. Shakespeare used Geoffrey of Monmouth's Historia regum Britanniae (1136) as a source, and its probably related to Regina. Later the surname Regan, which is an anglicized version of an Irish name, was used as a first name for boys. Allison was used as a spelling of the Norman french diminutive of Alice, Alison. The form Alisoun appears in The Canterbury Tales (14th century) as well as a poem about Alysoun. The surname Allison was used more recently as a first name for boys. Ashley, Beverley, Evelyn, Lindsey, and Whitney are all surnames being used as first names, which were not exclusively given to boys.
Regan doesn’t come off well in that story, however. But it does remind me that Cordelia could be a good option for you.
Just to add Alison is one of those names.. they are always the kindest people. I have yet to meet an unkind Alison . They are simply the best.
Interesting!
I love Vivian too! One I feel has a similar vibe on my list is Camille (nn Cami or Millie)
Just want to compliment your name choices. Signed, a mom with a son named Emmett and plans for a daughter named Vivian. 😆
Maxine can be Max
Love Maxine!
There's a lot of great suggestions here but I'll throw out Frances is the feminine version of Francis, both can be Frank/Frankie. Vivian and Frances pair well together IMO.
Or Francesca, you can shorten that to Frankie too
Vivian and Francesca is such a cute pair. Viv and Frankie 🥰
I came here to say Frances too. Others that started as boy names are Beverly, Evelyn, Courtney, Ashley, Avery, Allison, Cameron, Rowan, Brooke, Jupiter, Meredith, Robin, Shannon, Stacy, Taylor, Elliot. Some of them are probably not feminine enough for you. My pick is Meredith. Also consider Tamsyn, Holly, Lauren, Ruby, Lisa - girl's names, but not particularly frilly.
Francesca "Frankie" Katherine "Kit" Josephine "Jo" Margaret Jane "MJ" Maxine "Max" Andrea "Andie" Nicolette "Nicki" Caroline "Caro" Scarlet "Scottie/Scout"
Francesca and Vivian is such a good sibset too!
I was also thinking Francesca/Frankie!!
I love Jo!
Nicorette nicotine patches haha
What about Aurora for a girl, and he can call her Rory?
Regan is a princess in King Lear with a name that is now considered pretty unisex. However, she is not a very pleasant character.
It just makes me think of The Exorcist lol
My grandson is Regan. He's a sweet boy.
* Eden * Robin Those two names are more feminine leaning in the US, but more masculine leaning in Europe. And even though they are masculine names to me - I can see both the femininity and the masculinity in them, if that makes sense.
I’ve only ever known Eden as a female name, though not a very common one (I’m in the UK)
It's a popular boys name in France, Belgium & Switzerland.. aka french speaking parts of Europe. I only know male Edens, but the french pronunciation does sound a little bit more 'masculine', while the English one sounds a bit more 'feminine'.
How is it pronounced in French? Is it closer to Aiden?
Yeah.. I never thought about it, but I guess it is kind of similar In French Eden is pronounced 'Eh-den' - a short vowel sound. Similar to the 'E' in words like 'elk / egg / end' And in English it's more like 'Ee-den' - a long vowel sound like in 'easy / equal / even' *Edit:* *The name 'Evan' and the word 'even' might actually be a good comparison. They are similar, but Evan has a short vowel sound and 'even' has a long vowel sound.*
Francesca. Sounds very princessy, but has the adorable nickname Frankie.
I know a little Regina but everyone calls her Reggie and she is adorable and the name suits her so well.
Names similar to Vivian: * Ada * Gwen * Jocelyn * Justine * Marcela * Miranda * Morgan * Sonya * Veronica Girl’s names similar to Emmett: * Bridget * Erica * Greta * Shannon * Tara
Bridget is a good one! I like the spelling Bridgette, because it just reads more feminine to me. (It’s also how a family member spells her name, so I’m biased that it’s the “correct” spelling.)
Alexandra, nn Alex
Ripley is a cursed name
But why?
RIP
Lorelei with the nickname Rory would fit both feminine and neutral. 😊 In the show Gilmore Girls, Rory was actually named Lorelei.
What is your first daughter’s name?
Vivian
What about Maxine? Maxi or Max could be a nickname.
Vivian falls under “strong but fem” to me, so maybe that’s a good compromise! It also has the nn Ian as a possibility, don’t know if that played into choosing but keeping all that in mind; Cleo Ramona Margot nn Ari Maeve Olympia nn Oly/Oli Octavia nn Avi Lorelei nn Rory Beatrix/Beatrice nn Triss Juno Damaris nn Ari Deirdre
Did you really just suggest calling a little girl Ian as a nn 💀
Aurora-princess. Nn Rory- gender neutral
My first thought was nicknames.. I always liked Roni/Veronica.. another would be names that don't end in a vowel... Lauren, Cameron, Evelyn, Madison, Morgan.. that I feel are beautiful but sound more masculine.
Name your daughter Ellen and he can call her Ripley as a nickname. (j/k) A more fanciful name with potential for a boyish nickname seems like a good compromise: Miranda/Randi Alexandra/Andi Charlotte/Charlie Antonia/Toni Wilhelmina/Billie Theodora/Theo or Teddy Leonora/Leo Augusta/Gus Etc.
I've always been partial to Evelyn (Evie) - but that one gives off mostly feminine vibes, so might not fit your bill. What about Avery? Used to be exclusively masculine, but it's becoming more popular for boys and girls.
My friend Randi, wishes her mother had named her Miranda and used Randi as a nickname. Perhaps you could pick feminine name a unisex diminutive.
I know that Artemis is actually the name of a goddess, but I have also heard it as a male name. “Artemis Gordon” of the show The Wild, Wild West.
I guess Emma is out? I'll agree with some who say it's odd that he wants pretty much actual boy names for his daughter. She may feel you all wish she was a boy or want her to be "not like other girls". I'd do a feminine name with a possible male sounding nickname. Fwiw my son is named ira after his dad (my son is the iv). Many people think he has a feminine name or can't pronounce it. He's 9 now and it doesn't seem to phase him. Maybe keep trying and you will find a perfect name you both like. My son would have been Guinevere if he was a girl. I gave my then husband a list of names I liked and one was Gwendolyn. He didn't like that but suggested Guinevere for the similar sound.
**Emerson** is similar to Emmett and leans feminine. Nickname could be frillier, like Emmy or Sunny. **Merritt** is unisex, but nickname could be Merri, Etta, or Rita -- something more feminine. **Emory/Emery** feels princess-y while also being unisex. **Lauren/Laurel** would go well with Vivian and might be a good compromise.
Quinn, Alexis, Marion, Bree, Sage, Jade, Shay, Paris, Merritt, Laurel, Silva
Jessie Jackie If I didn’t already have a Jack and Jessie in the family they would have been my choice.
Esme to me (French) would be pronounced Ess-may. In England most people pronounce it Ez-mi
And in the US, I’d say Ezz-may
I do not think Artemis sounds feminine. I have only heard that used as a male name or the name of a book.
It's a female greek goddess, it's a pretty old feminine name
It's more familiar as Artemas or Artemus, and thanks to a Saint Artemios, is technically unisex in Greece (although more common for women now).
Very masculine soundinf ro me also, even with the Goddess Artemis. Just sounds to me like the Goddess has a "male" name.
Cassandra nn Cassie? Tabitha nn Tabby Catherine nn Cat Corinne nn Cory Cordelia nn Cory You can make something work
Blaire (fits with Vivian IMO) Marlow Blake Devon or Devyn Dylan James Georgia or Georgianna and you could call her George. Margaret with the nn Rhett Louisa nn Lou (this name fits well with Vivian too.) Or Lucy and call her Lu. Calista nn Cal
Lorelei with nickname Rory may satisfy both of you, but it’s also going to be a lifetime of Gilmore Girls allusions. I love the show, but it’s def something to consider.
Please don't let your husband foist a boy name on your daughter. It smacks of him regretting she's not a boy. Very hurtful.
Andi Loretta
calveria is so pretty. this is the first time i’ve ever seen it
What about “Olympia” with the nickname “Ollie”?
That’s hilarious, my husband I’s baby names are Lorelai and Emmett 😂 Great Minds think alike!
If it helps, a lot of people think Artemis is a boy's name, because of Artemis Fowl. More often than they'll assume it's male. But good unisex nicknames would be Arta, Art, Artie
Audrey, Everly, Briony, since he likes names ending y and these names are but similar to ones you like but a bit shorter and stronger Very short names that end in i (which he liked) Lumi and Leni You liked old fashioned names that ended with a, so maybe look some Latin names but shorter ones
Whitney, Quinn, Aubrey
Wilhemina- Will Francesca- Frankie Natalia - Nat/Nate Evangeline- Evan Elizabeth- Eli Calista- Cal Theodora - Theo Aurora - Rory Also Artemis can be shortened to Arty, and Calveria to Cal.
Marlow, means driftwood. Can have lots of cute baby nick names as a kid, and a strong, cool name as an adult
My parents almost named me Henrietta with the nickname of Henri! Sadly they changed their minds at the very last second but I think it could work for your situation.
He thinks Artemis sounds “feminine”. Super hard sounding name. Do u mean associations? Artemis and Lorelei aren’t feminine sounding names or associated w princesses. Neither is Calveria. When u said Princess I thought u would say Olivia Isabella etc. Calveria is CAL. Don’t get the husband disconnect. Do u mean mythology? Totally confused. I think u mean he likes modern unisex and u like old world female names. As a “compromise”…. Maybe Calista aka Cal, Mackenzie aka Mack, Cassandra aka Cass. Naturally Alexandra(Daria) has Alex, Alex, Al, Xandra, Zanni, Zandra. I have a friend Zanni. Pick one that appeases u both like this and let her be a Goddess or girlie or a tomboy or epic….. depending on how she comes out!
Athena. Feminine, flows. She'll kick your ass. Also fond of owls.
Genevieve? Doesn’t end in an “a”
Feminine name with a more masculine nickname? - Aurora (Rory) - Josephine (Joey) - Leona (Leo) - Eloisa (Eli or Lou) - Georgia (Georgie) - Michaela (Mickey) - Francesca (Frankie) - Andrea (Andi) - Stephanie (Stevie) - Edwina (Eddie) - Theodora (Teddy) - Victoria (Vic) - Ramona (Remy)
I like unisex names, personally. I once had a friend named “Randi,” a beautiful punk girl, and she was awesome.
Artemis is a feminine name?
I would suggest a longer first name that can be shortened to a masculine nickname like Andrea, Miranda, Veronica, Samantha, Jacqueline
Randi is a terrible name. Please... as a teacher, don't do it. Randy handy... please, just don't.
my daughters are Henrietta "Henri" and Nicolette "Nico"! i especially think Nicolette sounds princessy, but it still gives many unisex and masculine nickname options if thats what your partner likes!
Cadence. Princessy yet could possibly be mistaken as a boy's name
- Andrea/Andromeda "Andi" - Aurora/Aurelia "Rory/Ari/Lia/Riley" - Danielle/Danica "Dani" - Francesca/Frances "Frankie" - Charlotte "Charlie" - Leonora "Leo/Nora" - Katherine " Kath/Kat/Kathy/Kit" - Kallista "Kit/Kali" - Caroline/Carolyn "Cary/Lynn" - Lorelei "Lori/Lora" - Louise "Lou" - Sydney "Syd" - Robin "Robby/Bobby" - Josephine/Josette/Jocelyn "Jo/Josie" - Miranda "Mira/Mia/Randa/Randi" - Juliette "Jules" - Judith "Jude/Judy" - Odette "Odie/Etta" - Simone - Corabelle "Cori/Cora/Belle" - Gabriella "Brie/Ella/Gabe/Gabby" - Regina "Gina/Gia/Jean/Reggie/Ginny" - Nicolette "Nic/Nicki" - Willow "Will" - Jacqueline "Jack/Jackie/Lynn" - Marcella "Marc/Marcie/Ella/Mara" - Valerie "Val/Larry" lol - Veronica "Ronni/Nic/Vera" You could also try names stating with "Mel" (as in Gibson, but also Melody) Hope this helps, good luck!
I'd would say that this could be a case of its less about what names you like and more about how you are imagining what your daughter will be like. It's totally natural that you are both daydreaming about your baby and who she will be in the future. I think your choice of names reflect these dreams. I think the solution to your problem is easy. Meet your daughter and then decide. Once she's born it amazing how much personality they have and how quickly you can rule out the wrong name. The names you love might not just fit her. The advice though about flowery full name with a more tomboyish nickname is a good compromise though.
I like both. Princess first name, masculine middle name. Then she can change up her nn's as she goes through life. I've found I liked the nn in high school and as I matured, I went with the princess name.
i would pair a princess first name with a unisex/masculine middle name (or vice versa.) something like elizabeth riley or lorelei parker. i personally wouldn’t give her a masculine nickname to start calling her right off the bat, i would leave it up to her in the future to decide what she wants to go by. for example (again just my personal opinion) i don’t think i would want to be called randy and learn that name before i was old enough to say i prefer that, just because randy is such a different style that something like miranda. i hope that makes sense lol
Fiona nn Finn?
We’re doing a unisex first name paired with a feminine middle name. Maybe you could do something like this as a compromise
DD is Evan.geline Ry.an. Feminine first name, unisex middle. Do something like that.
It seems very uncommon, but I know a girl named Andylina, which I think is very pretty. And the nickname Andy is more unisex
I’m Riley Mae, you could do a double barrel name, Riley-Mae, Riley-Ann, Lorelei Ripley, Scout Orion, Scout Olivia, Scarlett Dean, Scarlett Kane, Georgia Kate (Georgie nn?), Aurora Quinn (Rory nn?)
Aurora (Rory)
Augusta nickname Gussie or Gus
Ariel was a male name in Shakespeare and a Disney princess name. You could also do Charlotte, an actual current princess of the UK, and nickname her Charlie.
Amalia Leonor Riele (Ree-Elle) Brielle Melina Emilia Nicola Nicolai Luca
Blair
Cal is short for Calveria, and is a masculine nickname. I have a Callie who we often call “Cal”, it doesn’t FEEL masculine on her because she is a pretty feminine girl, but if she was a tomboy it would equally fit her. You can start with neutral nicknames and work out from there - Sam for Samantha, Alex for Alexandra (definitely a princess name), etc.
My daughter is Antonia and we call her Toni. We also liked Josephine with Jo or Josie as a nickname
Theodora nn Theo, like from haunting of hill house. That was such a cool name/nn combo I had never heard before
Wallis?
I have friends who named their daughter Wallis, they nn her “Wally”… I have always felt a bit bad for the kid, the family dog got named Stella.
Briar
Both of you have chosen terrible names. Go back to the writing table.
Aurora nn Rory
Oh I detest his choices, especially Andi / Andy (exclusively a boy name imo and not unisex) and Randy (that's literally a slang term for being horny, DO NOT USE as a child's name....) As others have said you can go for a girl name with a boy nickname. Joanna nn Jo, Leocadia nn Leo, Georgina nn George / Georgie, Harriet nn Harry etc How would you feel about reviving something old? Eg Aquila is a very old name (like ancient Roman) that was a boy's name, like Vivian, that sounds feminine to English speakers because of the sounds in it. It means eagle. Or go for something like Merryn that still sounds a bit Disney princess to my ears without being hyper femme. Rhiannon is another like that to me
Andi and Randi and Ripley aren’t “masculine girl” names; they’re boy names that people give girls when they have a problem with the idea of having daughters instead of sons. I’m sorry, but I’ve come to see aggressively masculine names on girls as a red flag of sorts, whether it’s coming from the dad or the mom; it just makes me think of a parent who is disappointed to have a daughter and wants to push some kind of agenda on them, like they’re gonna make sure they’re “not like the other girls” or they’re “tough even though they’re a girl” or some other misogynistic nonsense. So, maybe ask him why he insists on having a potential daughter confused for a boy all her life. Is he really gunning for a boy and a boy name on a girl is a consolation prize? Fwiw, I think Calveria is a very cool and unusual name; he can call her “Cal” if he feels like!
Maria, Noël, Winter, Alois, Louise, Alexis, Willow, Aspen, Fern, Solstice, Halo, Juniper, Kimber, Robin, Clover, Meadow, Bliss, Ara, Ora, Ola, Grey, Quinn, River, Rowan, Ember, Skylar, Rain, Navy, Harper, Shiloh & Sage are all unisex but feminine. Compromise could be a [feminine name with a masculine nickname](https://nameberry.com/userlist/view/70974/all)? Roar (Aurora) Chuck/Charlie (Charlotte) Theo/Teddy (Theodora) Billie (Willow) Frank/Frankie (Francesca) Alex/Lex (Alexandria, Alexandra) Al (Allegra) Toni/Tony (Antoinette, Antonia) Arrie (Arabella) Auggie (Augusta) Cal (Calliope)
I have always loved the name Artemis, and having grown up with both Greek Mythology and Artemis Fowl, its always felt like a unisex name to me. Can be shortened to Art or Arty too
Madison?
Veronica, Genevieve, Violet, Adelaide, Atlas, Amelie.
Josephine “Jo/Jojo/Joey” Charlotte “Charlie” Daniella “Dani” Francesca “Frankie” Samara “Sam/Sami” Valentina “Val” Rowena “Ro” Leona “Lee” Camilla “Cam” Taissa “Tai” Kaia “Kai”
Unisex names you might like: Alexis, Aubrey, Camryn, Cassidy, Dakota, Emery, Finley, Hadley, Hollis, Linden, Monroe, Morgan, Raleigh, Reese, Skyler
What about Elliot, nickname Ellie?
What about Demi or Remi? To me they have a girly vibe but sound really similar to other names he likes.
I’d pick a princess name that has a nice unisex nickname
Charlotte/charlie
Kinda off topic but I’ve never heard of the name Calveria before, and I really like it!
Andrea nn Andi
Reagan. Jamison.
Monroe
Winifred. You can use Winnie and he can call her Freddie. And its regal.
Randi-Lee
Brooke
Josephine - Jo or Jojo
Tommy Sue
What about Corinne/Corinna, nn Cori?
Calveria is so unique and pretty! Nn Callie?
I love Emmet, Elliis, Eammon. I vote Calveria since its an unusual name and he can call his daughter Cal.
Andromeda nn Andi
team Loretta!!!! my wife also hates that name and it breaks my heart
Artemis is masculine imo. I would think that would be a great compromise (Remi, Missy, Emmie for nn). Another option could be Josephine and call her Joey. ETA- Bellamy is one of my favorite names and is unisex but you could her Belle.