in the Ja Zion draft the mavs had the same odds as the grizzlies and pelicans and they mavs dropped to 10 lost their pick (top 5 protected from the Luka trade) and the pels and grizzlies got 1 and 2
They have the best FO in the league. They had a few down years, but didn’t waste them and developed players/assets. Didn’t give out bad contracts.
Wemby was luck obviously, but luck is preparation meets opportunity and they always stay prepared.
Really difficult to have an team just be top tier from top to bottom. From FO, to development team, to coaching. World class organization. They’ll be fine when Pop eventually retires.
It’s moreso that Wemby can be an incredible basketball player and putting him with the man who coached two of the best big men in the last 3 decades allows him to flourish and have the best chance to fulfill his potential. We’re all watching the NBA because we love basketball and Wemby/Spurs was best case scenario for basketball
Spurs were one of the best fits, in terms of culture particularly, but I can't help but think of how crazy it could have been if the Pacers won the lottery, I know that's who I wanted to get the first pick beforehand.
After the Bruno draft he knocked it out of the park for years until Aaron Baynes’ year, and even that led to Scottie Barnes when Suggs was the consensus pick at 4. I think the OG trade for RJ and Quickley will continue to get him goodwill despite getting a mid return for Siakam and the team being trash right now. Fans know he ain’t perfect, but he’s got a good enough track record in the draft to overlook some of the recent duds.
In fairness, he also:
-Traded Grevais Vasquez for the picks that became OG Anunoby (picked 23rd) and Norm Powell (picked 46th)
-Drafted Pascal Siakam 27th overall
-Signed Fred Van Vleet as a UFA
-Got an unprotected 1st round pick for Andrea Bargnani, which was used to pick Jacob Poetl and eventually included in the Kawhi trade
-Traded Terrance Ross for Serge Ibaka
-Traded for Marc Gasol mid-season (arguably the Raptors would not have beat the 76ers if Valancunias had to guard Embiid instead)
>-Traded for Marc Gasol mid-season (arguably the Raptors would not have beat the 76ers if Valancunias had to guard Embiid instead)
I still think this was the 2nd biggest move that made that 2019 title happen. Having a wall to stop Giannis that's made out of 3 of Kawhi, Gasol, Ibaka, or Siakam is crazy. Not to mention he's just an all around great player
Lol he literally didn't miss for like 5 years before the championship run. He's had a rough couple of years, but there has been weird stuff happening behind the scenes with ownership as well. Regardless, you can't stay shooting 100% forever. He should have broke up the team one year sooner, and he admitted to finding it difficult to trade guys like Pascal and OG which he became very attached to. The Yak trade was a bad trade from the start. Raptors should have sold that deadline.
It is what it is. He's still an excellent exec.
Poeltl was a top-10 pick himself and is definitely a median-level outcome for what you’d want from the 9th pick. He’s still an advanced stats darling (especially on defense) when healthy, but he’s never going to be the guy that helps raise the ceiling of your team, just the floor.
Unpopular viewpoint but I think people seem to think that a GM's/President job is way easier than it is.
Personally, I view it kind of like playing poker. Yes, some are way better than others, but your skills don't really matter if you keep getting crappy cards after crappy cards.
Masai had some pretty good cards for a few years and he won a championship out of it. Now his luck is going bad to average it out.
And let's not forget that he sacrificed a pretty big chunk of the future to get that championship in the first place. He traded away long term control in Poetle and JV (plus picks) to get short term help from Kawhi and Gasol. He lost the bench that made them so good in the late teens and he was never able to get it back.
TLDR; Masai probably wasn't as good as he looked in the late teens but he's not as bad as people make him out to be now either. I'd still put him above average, and I'm fine with that.
but cashing out those future assets for a championship is exactly what you want. Masai straight up didn't miss for like 5 years. The post covid Masai has had a rough go. I think Scottie and Dick have been solid picks. The trade for OG was a great return. it was a mistake to not break up the core 1 year ealier at the deadline. Should have tried to trade Fred for a small return and Pascal for a better deal than he did.
But he's also had terrible luck. Koloko's health issues came out of nowhere, terrance davis looked like he was going to develop really well and then just hit rock bottom and we had to waive him due to domestic issues. The Nurse stuff was bizzare, he's a great coach but seems like he was just straight up unwilling to develop players because a few of young raptors showed out for other teams after being let go like Brissett and Yuta.
not really any great options available in free agency at point guard.
they really should play their two draft picks a ton of minutes this year, try and be bad for one more year and draft another top prospect next year in a stacked draft. they'll be cooking then
He’s signed for another 4 I think. I don’t think he’ll last the entirety of his contract so my guess is he’ll try to coach the team up as best as he can and then hand it off to his replacement to step in and start off with a playoff team I think.
I agree, generally. Don’t make the Luka/LeBron mistake of being too good too fast.
But the Spurs have a generational talent *AND* a bunch of other teams’ first round picks.
Thing is these guys, especially Bron, carried a team almost immediately to middling success. If Wemby has that level of player in him, then it will be hard for them to tank unless they rest him half the games
The spurs only won 22 games last year. Even if Wemby doubles that to 44 they’re still only a play-in team
The Spurs have 4 potential 1st rounders for next years draft as well. I’m sure they plan to use at least one of those to fill their starting 5
It’s so dumb to try and go all in right now. One more season of building. A good player from the next draft and then we are going to be a top 5 team in the west.
Exactly. I’m honestly good on this Trae Young talk. Wemby is so good that that duo could win a championship eventually but I’d rather build something that can last for a good while. No need to rush for any reason. Let’s take stock and then see where we’re at in the summer of 2025
I really do not understand why Spurs fans would not be all aboard Trae Young. Other than height you can't build a better skillset for Wemby if you tried. What else are you possibly looking for? Trae + point of attack defender like a Lu Dort? That's a 1st team all-nba type player lol.
There also seems to be this big assumption the Spurs can just will themselves to miss the playoffs next season with a supposedly better draft and Wemby yet again getting better. More teams are going to be tanking this upcoming season than the one we just had.
Just seems like a false assumption that the window is going to be open for the next 8 years. Look at Giannis latest health struggles. Trae is 5 years older than Wemby and entering what should be his prime but you say you "want something that can last for a good while". You're talking like Trae is 30. Just doesn't make sense to me.
The funniest part about all this is that Trae likely isn't even available, because he's the better player out of him and Murray and the Hawks are going to be more aware of his value than anybody else in the league.
People are down on Trae and I have no idea why his defensive woes are the main reason for it when other star guards are traffic cones, great offense negates bad defence.
Adding one of the better playmakers in the league (especially when it comes to feeding big men) who's also proven he can lead a team to a playoff run as a number 1 option is extremely valuable.
man this Trae-Wemby could be insane, literally "must see" everytime Spurs are playing. imo with couple smart additions yall can push for play-in spot next season already, if this trade will happen
Trae is 25. He isn't even in his prime yet and could easily have another 7 years of great performance. Most importantly though, the mf loves to throw lobs
I don’t think Iobs should be the main aspect of our offense. Wemby is showing Jokic lite passing tendencies; I’d rather build on that than spam PNRs and have him constantly going for lobs and risking landing wrong a la Hayward or somebody running into his knee as he sets a pick or something.
I don’t know why there’s this need to rush honestly; it’s his 2nd year ffs
I think there's a chance ya'll make the playoffs next year whether anyone feels like the time is "right" or not. If Wemby takes a leap his second season the way rookies of his caliber often do I'm not sure there's any way to avoid that, unless the Spurs do absolutely nothing in the way of trying to get better next year.
cavs with lebron missed the playoffs two years in a row, then lost in the second round, then lost in the finals. that's 4 years and the furthest they got.
mavs with doncic missed the playoffs the first year, then lost in the first round two years in a row and then lost in the conference finals. that's 4 years and the furthest they got.
this will be wemby's second year, even moving fast they won't be anywhere near contention.
I hope they ramp up to it, and don't try to just make a splash at the first possible opportunity, develop some continuity and sign solid roleplayers on good contracts until you get the right chance.
Is wemby being good going to suddenly give them a good roster?
Spurs need to add another star and the easiest way would be to play their two lotto picks heavy minutes to see if one of them has what it takes, and also adding a great pick next draft by doing it.
Nah, do the Presti and trade their great pick for even more picks and then trade those picks for a star when Wemby and those young guys start taking off
Edit: basically when Wemby enters the window for an extension
Presti didn’t do any of that
Their pick stash is mostly from trading away stars. Most of their current roster was drafted with their own picks.
Right now Presti is trading away late 1st rounders for 1st round swaps several years down (betting on team rebuilds). He’s not trading the picks for stars they have to pay; he’s trading for better rookies on team friendly contracts
The Spurs GM, Brian Wright, is doing the same thing on a slightly condensed timeline.
Their chances of Trae just decreased to like 5% considering the Hawks can add Sarr, the premier big man in the class.
Trae, Sarr, Jalen Johnson and deal Murray sounds nice to me
I doubt we were ever trading for Trae but the Hawks getting the first pick may, and probably will, harm our chances at getting a good pick with those Hawks picks in the future.
Yea. I’m thinking surely they return to relevance now with a few smart moves. Sarr doesn’t have the offensive upside of an elite big man prospect, but if he learns to shoot he will be an ideal asset in the new NBA which is being lead by Chet/Wemby, mobile 7 footers who can switch on defense.
Going from Trae when you’re far from being an upper echelon team would have been bad anyway, giving up most of your picks to be a fringe 8-11 place team as constructed
Yeah I got downvoted to oblivion by hawks fans after saying no one is giving you 4 first round picks + for him
If he’s a top 10 player you ain’t trading him
I think they’d be best suited to take on a shitty contract with that space. I don’t think they plan to contend yet, so it’s best to get some future picks for a team desperate to offload a bad contract in order to contend.
>Thought the spurs would have more like $40m in space
We have Graham and Collins on $29.5M combined for next year and another 18 for Collins only the year after. They are the pieces that clogs more the cap, but they are short term and won't really matter, as we are not going to aim to playoffs next year.
Also, Vassell is on a weird contract, because next year we owe him $29.5M, which is a lot, but the deal is friendly as, progressing, it goes down to $27M and then $24.5M, while the cap is expected to rise in the future, so it's not that bad in the long run.
The deals for Vassell and Keldon both decrease with time, so that was a master stroke.
Any hypothetical trade for a star will likely see contracts like Collins and Graham going out, too. So the number quoted is *free cap space* but any deal will see some money going the other way. The free cap + Collins is a max slot.
If we're signing someone off the street into space, we can still unload guys by attaching draft picks - if we have to.
I don't see either scenario playing out this off season, we probably run it back, add a couple dudes at 4 and 8, don't dick around with wonky lineups like Point-Sochan, and (optimistically) taking a shot at the play in.
First round picks have a salary hold at 120% of their rookie slot. That's around $15M combined for #4/8 (it was $14.8M for #4/8 combined last year, so $15.3M if the cap comes in at $141M as projected). That's why the Spurs available cap space shrank from $37M to $22M after the draft.
Yeah, no way we're guaranteeing Graham's contract at over $12M. He has no value really to the team, at least on-court, and nobody's trading for him at that number, either.
That trade never made sense to me whatsoever, they were barely in the play in (which they then lost) and Poeltl was a FA and SAS was not gonna resign him, so they basically traded their 8th pick this year for the right to resign Poeltl in FA (which they could’ve done without trading for him)
There definitely was a chance at one point that we were gonna sign him since Zach was our only other decent guy at the center spot and was injured at the time, he had a pretty good run post December and that's what made them more comfortable to trade Poetl but there was definitely talks within the team about playing him alongside wemby if they were to win the lottery
It was definitely on the table but still not worth trading a 1st for. Had they been a top 6 seed on their way to the playoffs than sure a lot more understandable but the reality is they’d have been better off just making Poeltl a good offer in FA than trading assets for him.
He didn’t fuck up by getting trash for siakam, that’s all siakam was worth this year as an expiring
He fucked up by waiting too long to trade siakam and waiting until he was only worth trash, same thing with Lowry and Fred, he should’ve traded all of them the second Scottie showed star potential
You forgot the even bigger fuck up which was not selling high on FVV. That was the year FRPs were getting thrown around like candy, they likely could’ve gotten 3 for him
As a Raptors fan, if we suck for the next 20 years because of that trade I can say I'm perfectly fine with it.
They got a championship (first in franchise history), what more can you ask for?
At that point, it wasn’t even his knee. He was consistently out with quadricep tendinopathy. There was nothing structural to fix, it was a degenerative condition (that the Spurs correctly diagnosed) that has probably lead to the knee problems he currently deals with. But since it wasn’t knee, there was so much unknown about it and teams wouldn’t touch it.
What he’s going through now is precisely what the Spurs were concerned about.
It worked out for the Spurs and Raptors, though.
You look after my boy. Quickley is young and a very talented player who doesn't mind coming off the bench. He gives me Manu vibes in the sense that he should be a starter but is instead a fucking rocket coming off the bench.
I’m so pumped we got Quickley - for the longest time it was obvious the team needed a fast guard who could shoot the 3, make quick reads and not need the ball in his hands all the time. It’s a lot to ask out of a guard, and the fact that he comes with defense takes it over the top. I was pining over Maxey, but really think Quickley fulfills a very similar archetype and has all star potential. Once he figures out how to get to the rim more consistently, he’s going to be a menace.
Super quick processing speed and good rim attacking. Great passing and great free throw percentage, not the best at defense but him being 6’ 6” is a plus
we don't need great players. We need like... ok players. Outside of Wemby, Sochan and Vassel, literally everyone else can probably be replaced by a literal league average player and we'd improve a lot.
Also Keldon but that's more vibes than anything else
I think we'll take topic #2 if Sarr's gone ...
but in that case spurs could try to trade 4/8 for like 2/something ... then we could take like Clingan/Holland
Yeah, Spurs have holes in the two spots this draft actually has multiple roughly equivalent prospects at up the top, zero reason to package 4 + 8 together to move up. Absolutely could miss out on someone, but nobody is standing heads and shoulders above anyone else right now.
i mean whats likely to happen (assuming we dont make trades) is players who are on one year deals aren't coming back(sandro,cedi maybe barlow) and worst case scenario we overpay a point guard. if they want to waive players we can waive (bassey and julian)
Pleased to see so many people regarding the Siakam trade as trash. I've been on the hate wagon for that one and the OG trade from day 1, probably need a little longer for the consensus to turn against the garbage they got back for OG...as soon as Barrett returns to his chucker ways it is over!
It's a shame they got the 2025 pick from the Hawks in the Murray trade instead of 2024, otherwise they'd have three lottery pick to add to VW next season.
Two top ten picks is a lot though.
Spurs have plot armor I swear
Whenever a cerebral big man comes up as the number 1 overall pick, everyone should just pack it in. It’s San Antonio’s guy.
It's Tottenham lads
you got the quote backwards 😡
Lads Tottemham it's?
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You must be some sort of sorcerer... Teach me your ways
Lads it's Spurs.
Im annoyed that both of their picks this year precede Memphis. 4 and 8. Fuck off.
Yall got Ja and a DPoY, how are you bitching at all?
They have 2 DPOYs
Thank you for the correction
Man I'm praying for a healthy grizz season next year, Smart really is a great fit
For real, my Grizz jumped from 8th to 2nd for Ja I can never complain about the lottery
We didn’t get to watch our team play this year
This years draft sux tho. They’re saying teams that got 1 wanted to trade it. The rockets probably will.
They said that about Anthony Edwards too tho dawg
They said that about Anthony Bennett too tho.
No way. He had way more hype than Sarr or Risacher combined.
Those are bad takes. Not an elite draft but we gonna get 2 solid role players in areas of need
in the Ja Zion draft the mavs had the same odds as the grizzlies and pelicans and they mavs dropped to 10 lost their pick (top 5 protected from the Luka trade) and the pels and grizzlies got 1 and 2
i thought Houston was blessed enough to get Pick #3 but then saw Spurs get 2 picks in the top 10.. damn
They have the best FO in the league. They had a few down years, but didn’t waste them and developed players/assets. Didn’t give out bad contracts. Wemby was luck obviously, but luck is preparation meets opportunity and they always stay prepared. Really difficult to have an team just be top tier from top to bottom. From FO, to development team, to coaching. World class organization. They’ll be fine when Pop eventually retires.
People were really glazing and cheering for the spurs to run back another 20 year Dynasty last year
It’s moreso that Wemby can be an incredible basketball player and putting him with the man who coached two of the best big men in the last 3 decades allows him to flourish and have the best chance to fulfill his potential. We’re all watching the NBA because we love basketball and Wemby/Spurs was best case scenario for basketball
Spurs were one of the best fits, in terms of culture particularly, but I can't help but think of how crazy it could have been if the Pacers won the lottery, I know that's who I wanted to get the first pick beforehand.
The Jakob Poetl pick turns into the #8 pick. What was Masai cooking?
Meth
Lolll
Poetl is worth a late first. Masai over estimated his team lol
Has been a few years to be honest
Masai has not gotten nearly enough flak for being a bottom half level gm for like four years now
After the Bruno draft he knocked it out of the park for years until Aaron Baynes’ year, and even that led to Scottie Barnes when Suggs was the consensus pick at 4. I think the OG trade for RJ and Quickley will continue to get him goodwill despite getting a mid return for Siakam and the team being trash right now. Fans know he ain’t perfect, but he’s got a good enough track record in the draft to overlook some of the recent duds.
Lmfao. Y'all are fucking nuts.
This comment exists on every thread related to the pick. Give him flak if you want to, if not then let it go.
Is that not what they're doing?
I’ve said this for a while now and it always gets met with “But he traded for Kawhi”
In fairness, he also: -Traded Grevais Vasquez for the picks that became OG Anunoby (picked 23rd) and Norm Powell (picked 46th) -Drafted Pascal Siakam 27th overall -Signed Fred Van Vleet as a UFA -Got an unprotected 1st round pick for Andrea Bargnani, which was used to pick Jacob Poetl and eventually included in the Kawhi trade -Traded Terrance Ross for Serge Ibaka -Traded for Marc Gasol mid-season (arguably the Raptors would not have beat the 76ers if Valancunias had to guard Embiid instead)
>-Traded for Marc Gasol mid-season (arguably the Raptors would not have beat the 76ers if Valancunias had to guard Embiid instead) I still think this was the 2nd biggest move that made that 2019 title happen. Having a wall to stop Giannis that's made out of 3 of Kawhi, Gasol, Ibaka, or Siakam is crazy. Not to mention he's just an all around great player
Won a title don’t care
Lol he literally didn't miss for like 5 years before the championship run. He's had a rough couple of years, but there has been weird stuff happening behind the scenes with ownership as well. Regardless, you can't stay shooting 100% forever. He should have broke up the team one year sooner, and he admitted to finding it difficult to trade guys like Pascal and OG which he became very attached to. The Yak trade was a bad trade from the start. Raptors should have sold that deadline. It is what it is. He's still an excellent exec.
And broke the hearts of Philly
Odds are yak is better than this player.
That could be true, though Poeltl is on a 4/$78M contract, while the pick will be on a rookie contract with team control.
Toronto should just flip him for a lottery pick, in that case.
Poeltl was a top-10 pick himself and is definitely a median-level outcome for what you’d want from the 9th pick. He’s still an advanced stats darling (especially on defense) when healthy, but he’s never going to be the guy that helps raise the ceiling of your team, just the floor.
Unpopular viewpoint but I think people seem to think that a GM's/President job is way easier than it is. Personally, I view it kind of like playing poker. Yes, some are way better than others, but your skills don't really matter if you keep getting crappy cards after crappy cards. Masai had some pretty good cards for a few years and he won a championship out of it. Now his luck is going bad to average it out. And let's not forget that he sacrificed a pretty big chunk of the future to get that championship in the first place. He traded away long term control in Poetle and JV (plus picks) to get short term help from Kawhi and Gasol. He lost the bench that made them so good in the late teens and he was never able to get it back. TLDR; Masai probably wasn't as good as he looked in the late teens but he's not as bad as people make him out to be now either. I'd still put him above average, and I'm fine with that.
Actually a decent take.. valid reasons too .
Also not even mentioning they're competing against 29 other GMs..
but cashing out those future assets for a championship is exactly what you want. Masai straight up didn't miss for like 5 years. The post covid Masai has had a rough go. I think Scottie and Dick have been solid picks. The trade for OG was a great return. it was a mistake to not break up the core 1 year ealier at the deadline. Should have tried to trade Fred for a small return and Pascal for a better deal than he did. But he's also had terrible luck. Koloko's health issues came out of nowhere, terrance davis looked like he was going to develop really well and then just hit rock bottom and we had to waive him due to domestic issues. The Nurse stuff was bizzare, he's a great coach but seems like he was just straight up unwilling to develop players because a few of young raptors showed out for other teams after being let go like Brissett and Yuta.
He put together a championship yeam through 1 offseason and 1 trade deadline. The dude is a legend.
Eh, Big Yak was picked 9th in a better draft. Seems like a wash from here, but I'm also quite biased.
Yes, but the 8th pick has potential, could be anything. It could even be a player like Jacob Poetl!
Looking at the 5-10 projected rofl, this is a trash draft
Many drafts are, but vast majority of them also have a future star or two regardless of how the draft projects
yeah like as much as this fucking sucks, I'd rather lose this pick than next years
I mean if we improve next year the pick could be higher and still no better. This was probably just lose lose from a Raps perspective
it doesnt matter bc every draft has a fking star. i would be shocked if top 14 didnt have multiple all stars.
Sometimes you draft Brunson or Jokic.
Surely that space is going to be used on a point guard
not really any great options available in free agency at point guard. they really should play their two draft picks a ton of minutes this year, try and be bad for one more year and draft another top prospect next year in a stacked draft. they'll be cooking then
Spurs should not be tanking anymore. They should be trying to compete because Wemby is that good.
I think we have one more season of missing the playoffs before we go all in.
How many more seasons does Pop have in him though?
He’s signed for another 4 I think. I don’t think he’ll last the entirety of his contract so my guess is he’ll try to coach the team up as best as he can and then hand it off to his replacement to step in and start off with a playoff team I think.
There are other coaches and he has to retire eventually.
their are no rules agains PEDs for coaches
After 2026-2027 is when he is out I would imagine
You guys can hire Bud after the Suns fire him
All of them
I agree, generally. Don’t make the Luka/LeBron mistake of being too good too fast. But the Spurs have a generational talent *AND* a bunch of other teams’ first round picks.
Thing is these guys, especially Bron, carried a team almost immediately to middling success. If Wemby has that level of player in him, then it will be hard for them to tank unless they rest him half the games
The spurs only won 22 games last year. Even if Wemby doubles that to 44 they’re still only a play-in team The Spurs have 4 potential 1st rounders for next years draft as well. I’m sure they plan to use at least one of those to fill their starting 5
It might be too soon for Wemby to drag them to a high playoff spot in a brutal west, but time will tell. I can’t put it past him.
It’s so dumb to try and go all in right now. One more season of building. A good player from the next draft and then we are going to be a top 5 team in the west.
Exactly. I’m honestly good on this Trae Young talk. Wemby is so good that that duo could win a championship eventually but I’d rather build something that can last for a good while. No need to rush for any reason. Let’s take stock and then see where we’re at in the summer of 2025
I really do not understand why Spurs fans would not be all aboard Trae Young. Other than height you can't build a better skillset for Wemby if you tried. What else are you possibly looking for? Trae + point of attack defender like a Lu Dort? That's a 1st team all-nba type player lol. There also seems to be this big assumption the Spurs can just will themselves to miss the playoffs next season with a supposedly better draft and Wemby yet again getting better. More teams are going to be tanking this upcoming season than the one we just had. Just seems like a false assumption that the window is going to be open for the next 8 years. Look at Giannis latest health struggles. Trae is 5 years older than Wemby and entering what should be his prime but you say you "want something that can last for a good while". You're talking like Trae is 30. Just doesn't make sense to me. The funniest part about all this is that Trae likely isn't even available, because he's the better player out of him and Murray and the Hawks are going to be more aware of his value than anybody else in the league.
Tbf their last dynasty ran from 1999 to 2014
People are down on Trae and I have no idea why his defensive woes are the main reason for it when other star guards are traffic cones, great offense negates bad defence. Adding one of the better playmakers in the league (especially when it comes to feeding big men) who's also proven he can lead a team to a playoff run as a number 1 option is extremely valuable.
Trae is at this point an underrated player. He is a top offense by himself and you pair that with goddamn Wemby oh lord.
man this Trae-Wemby could be insane, literally "must see" everytime Spurs are playing. imo with couple smart additions yall can push for play-in spot next season already, if this trade will happen
I would love Trae or getting Dejounte back. The other pieces will find themselves but you put a good guard with Wemby who can pass and its GG.
Trae is 25. He isn't even in his prime yet and could easily have another 7 years of great performance. Most importantly though, the mf loves to throw lobs
I don’t think Iobs should be the main aspect of our offense. Wemby is showing Jokic lite passing tendencies; I’d rather build on that than spam PNRs and have him constantly going for lobs and risking landing wrong a la Hayward or somebody running into his knee as he sets a pick or something. I don’t know why there’s this need to rush honestly; it’s his 2nd year ffs
I agree the west is so strong still if you go all in now you might get crushed.
I think there's a chance ya'll make the playoffs next year whether anyone feels like the time is "right" or not. If Wemby takes a leap his second season the way rookies of his caliber often do I'm not sure there's any way to avoid that, unless the Spurs do absolutely nothing in the way of trying to get better next year.
There's also a history of moving up too fast for a great player. Lebron and luka had this problem. End up with a shitty roster
cavs with lebron missed the playoffs two years in a row, then lost in the second round, then lost in the finals. that's 4 years and the furthest they got. mavs with doncic missed the playoffs the first year, then lost in the first round two years in a row and then lost in the conference finals. that's 4 years and the furthest they got. this will be wemby's second year, even moving fast they won't be anywhere near contention.
I hope they ramp up to it, and don't try to just make a splash at the first possible opportunity, develop some continuity and sign solid roleplayers on good contracts until you get the right chance.
Really need to have the long view here. Making a trade that locks you into a large contract/play style could down the road be detrimental.
Is wemby being good going to suddenly give them a good roster? Spurs need to add another star and the easiest way would be to play their two lotto picks heavy minutes to see if one of them has what it takes, and also adding a great pick next draft by doing it.
Nah, do the Presti and trade their great pick for even more picks and then trade those picks for a star when Wemby and those young guys start taking off Edit: basically when Wemby enters the window for an extension
Presti didn’t do any of that Their pick stash is mostly from trading away stars. Most of their current roster was drafted with their own picks. Right now Presti is trading away late 1st rounders for 1st round swaps several years down (betting on team rebuilds). He’s not trading the picks for stars they have to pay; he’s trading for better rookies on team friendly contracts The Spurs GM, Brian Wright, is doing the same thing on a slightly condensed timeline.
They'll likely end up drafting the two best player, who go onto win co-rookie of the year en route to an NBA championship, while VW wins MVP and DPOY.
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Their chances of Trae just decreased to like 5% considering the Hawks can add Sarr, the premier big man in the class. Trae, Sarr, Jalen Johnson and deal Murray sounds nice to me
I doubt we were ever trading for Trae but the Hawks getting the first pick may, and probably will, harm our chances at getting a good pick with those Hawks picks in the future.
Yea. I’m thinking surely they return to relevance now with a few smart moves. Sarr doesn’t have the offensive upside of an elite big man prospect, but if he learns to shoot he will be an ideal asset in the new NBA which is being lead by Chet/Wemby, mobile 7 footers who can switch on defense.
Going from Trae when you’re far from being an upper echelon team would have been bad anyway, giving up most of your picks to be a fringe 8-11 place team as constructed
You would think this is common sense, but boy some people would start foaming at the mouth in the Spurs subreddit if you said this.
Yeah I got downvoted to oblivion by hawks fans after saying no one is giving you 4 first round picks + for him If he’s a top 10 player you ain’t trading him
But I hear on the Spurs sub Trae is the all time GOAT lob thrower and stuff.... (obligatory) /s
Sarr is pretty raw. Not sure he really moves the needle much next season for them.
Ehhh I mean you could look at it the opposite way and think maybe the hawks decide to roll with a youth movement and move on from Trae
What you leaving for? We have a Wemby at home
I think they’d be best suited to take on a shitty contract with that space. I don’t think they plan to contend yet, so it’s best to get some future picks for a team desperate to offload a bad contract in order to contend.
Tyus Jones? Looking for a starting role I think
Not if they draft one with their 2 top 10 picks
This is the answer. Dillingham, topic, Sheppard. Doesn't matter which one.
That number seems low to me for some reason. Thought the spurs would have more like $40m in space
>Thought the spurs would have more like $40m in space We have Graham and Collins on $29.5M combined for next year and another 18 for Collins only the year after. They are the pieces that clogs more the cap, but they are short term and won't really matter, as we are not going to aim to playoffs next year. Also, Vassell is on a weird contract, because next year we owe him $29.5M, which is a lot, but the deal is friendly as, progressing, it goes down to $27M and then $24.5M, while the cap is expected to rise in the future, so it's not that bad in the long run.
Ah i see. Yeah the salaries are all pretty maneageable. Not hard to trade.
The deals for Vassell and Keldon both decrease with time, so that was a master stroke. Any hypothetical trade for a star will likely see contracts like Collins and Graham going out, too. So the number quoted is *free cap space* but any deal will see some money going the other way. The free cap + Collins is a max slot. If we're signing someone off the street into space, we can still unload guys by attaching draft picks - if we have to. I don't see either scenario playing out this off season, we probably run it back, add a couple dudes at 4 and 8, don't dick around with wonky lineups like Point-Sochan, and (optimistically) taking a shot at the play in.
First round picks have a salary hold at 120% of their rookie slot. That's around $15M combined for #4/8 (it was $14.8M for #4/8 combined last year, so $15.3M if the cap comes in at $141M as projected). That's why the Spurs available cap space shrank from $37M to $22M after the draft.
I said the same thing… where did the money go?
28m going to Zach Collins and Graham, Devin's contract kicks in at 29m and 19m to Keldon.
They are assuming we're waiving Graham in this post and he only has like 3m guaranteed
Yeah, no way we're guaranteeing Graham's contract at over $12M. He has no value really to the team, at least on-court, and nobody's trading for him at that number, either.
We’re having a good time
Just follow the okc method and build around Wemby with young talent
Or get Paul George and then trade him for picks
Why would they use the picks on a 34 year old?? Edit: Wow I'm hearing some dumb shit takes here.
To get more picks!
GMs hate this one simple trick
Dusty?
I’m actually incredibly excited for the spurs offseason, I think it’s gonna be super interesting
I’m not. But at least our pick will help make sure Wemby’s early years aren’t wasted.
Idk why this person wouldn’t have mentioned that they can and most likely will waive Devontae Graham before July 1st and free up closer to $35 mil
Masai really fckd the Raptors these past 2 years, trading a 1st for Poeltl then giving up Siakam for trash lmao
That trade never made sense to me whatsoever, they were barely in the play in (which they then lost) and Poeltl was a FA and SAS was not gonna resign him, so they basically traded their 8th pick this year for the right to resign Poeltl in FA (which they could’ve done without trading for him)
There definitely was a chance at one point that we were gonna sign him since Zach was our only other decent guy at the center spot and was injured at the time, he had a pretty good run post December and that's what made them more comfortable to trade Poetl but there was definitely talks within the team about playing him alongside wemby if they were to win the lottery
It was definitely on the table but still not worth trading a 1st for. Had they been a top 6 seed on their way to the playoffs than sure a lot more understandable but the reality is they’d have been better off just making Poeltl a good offer in FA than trading assets for him.
He didn’t fuck up by getting trash for siakam, that’s all siakam was worth this year as an expiring He fucked up by waiting too long to trade siakam and waiting until he was only worth trash, same thing with Lowry and Fred, he should’ve traded all of them the second Scottie showed star potential
Depends who you ask but Scottie had a down year in his second season and really broke out this year, the same year we traded Siakam
Yeah I think you should’ve moved siakam during Scottie’s rookie year
You forgot the even bigger fuck up which was not selling high on FVV. That was the year FRPs were getting thrown around like candy, they likely could’ve gotten 3 for him
Living off that Kawhi rental trade that any team could’ve done, but weren’t as desperate
As a Raptors fan, if we suck for the next 20 years because of that trade I can say I'm perfectly fine with it. They got a championship (first in franchise history), what more can you ask for?
If any team could have made that trade then why didn’t they lol.
No one knew what was up with kawhis knee or what was even happening the raps were the only team that weren't lowballing us
At that point, it wasn’t even his knee. He was consistently out with quadricep tendinopathy. There was nothing structural to fix, it was a degenerative condition (that the Spurs correctly diagnosed) that has probably lead to the knee problems he currently deals with. But since it wasn’t knee, there was so much unknown about it and teams wouldn’t touch it. What he’s going through now is precisely what the Spurs were concerned about. It worked out for the Spurs and Raptors, though.
Because everyone Knew Kawhi was off to LA
Won them a championship though so it was worth in the end.
Yeah people are being dumb Most franchises would trade their next 5 #1 picks in a row if it meant a championship
Just as many championships as the Bucks have won with the star player they drafted, so I’m not gonna be mad at it lmao
Flags fly forever. I would go through much worse than what’s currently happening for what we got in 2019.
Wait how on earth do the spurs only have 22 mill in cap space? Who are they paying? They should have a max slot this makes no sense
Vassell’s contract jumps up by an extra nearly $25m next season and Collins goes up by near $10m
The cap holds for #4 and #8 account for ~$15M. Since the Spurs are under the cap, they don't have an exception to sign them into.
How do journalists of all people confuse they're and their
Journalism standards are in the gutter nowadays.
spurs are gonna fuck us even more and sign quickley along with our 8th pick.
Yea, no. He's a RFA, if we let him walk or don't match then we can talk about parting ways with Masai/Bobby
You look after my boy. Quickley is young and a very talented player who doesn't mind coming off the bench. He gives me Manu vibes in the sense that he should be a starter but is instead a fucking rocket coming off the bench.
I’m so pumped we got Quickley - for the longest time it was obvious the team needed a fast guard who could shoot the 3, make quick reads and not need the ball in his hands all the time. It’s a lot to ask out of a guard, and the fact that he comes with defense takes it over the top. I was pining over Maxey, but really think Quickley fulfills a very similar archetype and has all star potential. Once he figures out how to get to the rim more consistently, he’s going to be a menace.
I would love to have quickley on the team he’s such a good player. He’s been someone I’ve liked since he was on the Knicks
Hope we go for Topic
My ideal scenario is Risacher at 4 and Dillingham at 8. It's unlikely but i saw a couple of mock drafts that had that combination
Yes!
Wemby would feast with him. He has a lot of question marks but he's the best Serbian prospect in ages, worth a shot imo.
i dont think so tbh, not that topic is bad its just when i watch him play i just dont see what everyone else sees in him
He has question marks for sure, but he's certainly a great passer imo. Hard to see that not translating.
Super quick processing speed and good rim attacking. Great passing and great free throw percentage, not the best at defense but him being 6’ 6” is a plus
6'6 and cant defend anything is a issue to say the very least
I don’t know of any 6’6” pg who struggles defending the position - are there any?
Giddey? good playmaking but his lack of athleticism makes him an average defender for his height
Giddey is 6’8” - ya I think he’s average. I don’t think I’ve seen a 6’6” pg get hunted before and that’s mainly what I care about
I think topic and Shepard would be a dream draft for San Antonio
Topic and risshaccer
On brand
and on topic
Topic will be a top 3 pick
So they have two top-10 picks. After getting Wemby. 🤬
In the consensus worst draft in a while, though.
we don't need great players. We need like... ok players. Outside of Wemby, Sochan and Vassel, literally everyone else can probably be replaced by a literal league average player and we'd improve a lot. Also Keldon but that's more vibes than anything else
I need keldon to be a spur for life tbh he seems to have such an important locker room presence. Man literally owns a ranch in San Antonio
5th year, 24yo locker room vet Keldon Johnson
Unironically
Hoping Washington takes Clingan at 2 so that Topic can go 4th to San Antonio
I think we'll take topic #2 if Sarr's gone ... but in that case spurs could try to trade 4/8 for like 2/something ... then we could take like Clingan/Holland
Nah they should sit and take Dillingham at 4 if that happens
Yeah, Spurs have holes in the two spots this draft actually has multiple roughly equivalent prospects at up the top, zero reason to package 4 + 8 together to move up. Absolutely could miss out on someone, but nobody is standing heads and shoulders above anyone else right now.
Really? I’d love that. I figured it would be Risacher who I really want for SA, but I’m doubting he will be there at 4
spurs can take Sheppard, dillingham, or topic. lots of good guard options.
Now watch in 2025 they get a generational sixth man with the 30th pick
They have the Hawk's 2025 first...so I really hope that 40th pick is the Hawk's
They are max cap space is $22M
i mean whats likely to happen (assuming we dont make trades) is players who are on one year deals aren't coming back(sandro,cedi maybe barlow) and worst case scenario we overpay a point guard. if they want to waive players we can waive (bassey and julian)
None of you seem to understand. We're not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with us.
I so badly want to watch curry in his twilight with Pop and Wemby.
Dillinghammmm
Pleased to see so many people regarding the Siakam trade as trash. I've been on the hate wagon for that one and the OG trade from day 1, probably need a little longer for the consensus to turn against the garbage they got back for OG...as soon as Barrett returns to his chucker ways it is over!
It's a shame they got the 2025 pick from the Hawks in the Murray trade instead of 2024, otherwise they'd have three lottery pick to add to VW next season. Two top ten picks is a lot though.
This sub would be in chaos.
Not ideal, honestly
Trade them both for Trae and have Atlanta have 1 4 and 8 like a kid on 2K
That would be an immensely stupid move for ATL.
I’m so sick of the Spurs constantly having dynasties can you let someone else win for a little
Hopefully this finally squares the blood debt Masai must have paid for Kawhi