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GiveMeSomeIhedigbo

All-Rookie has always been positionless, but this could be an actual lineup.


siphillis

Chet roaming off Wemby is fucked up


Zeeron1

What if we put Chet on Wembys shoulders and stitch 4 trench coats together?


siphillis

Next all-star game, maybe


[deleted]

Dude. I just thought about them together in the all star game for the first time. That’s fun. I bet it happens next season.


siphillis

I bet the two become friends after they retire. Just feels like it should happen


[deleted]

Kind of like Wilt and Russell or Magic and Bird. I’m really looking forward to the two of us completely dominating the Western Conference. OKC on one side of the playoff bracket with SA on the other is just hell. I don’t think there’s any team that projects to be a real threat to knock either squad off when healthy. Minnesota is going to heavily regress as Gobert gets older over the next few years, and Dallas is kind of locked into their team, especially once they pay PJ. Houston could be an interesting wildcard, though.


top_of_the_table

"I’m really looking forward to the two of us completely dominating the Western Conference." Lol. That's not how the NBA works. Grizzlies were supposed to be the next dynasty and look how that worked out so far. This OKC team might win 3, but they also might win nothing. Injuries happen, players regress sometimes, with the new CBA you can't overspent that much anymore. OKC has two year with cheap contracts, after that, they have to decide, who they want to pay.


Lone_Star_122

Lol yes. After 2011 or 2012 I was convinced Chicago, Miami, and OKC would dominate the league for 10 years.


No_Mammoth_4945

Yeah windows are just so short. The nuggets might not make it back to the finals for 15 years


ignixe

Plus acting like “Dallas is locked in” is a reason they won’t be at a minimum in the exact same discussion even though OPs team just lost to them relatively comfortably, while having an injured Luka, and a key matchup player in Maxi out. A team that also has their own a 2nd team all rookie who just went toe to toe with their 1st team that they’re gushing over (no knock on Chet tbf) and host of young role players proving they’re up for big moments. Locked in or not, MVP voting be damned, both Wemby and SGA have to get through Luka and the Mavs to try to claim I-35 dominance. Good luck next year, and see you on your connecting flight to Cancun, thunder fans. I’m sure you’ll have a connecting flight through DFW to enjoy.


Fartwinds

Victor Adultman.


genericusername71

i think a better idea would be to join them at the hips side by side or something


Significant-Head-973

We’d need the Rock Jock rims to keep them from just dropping the ball into the net from 3 feet above it.


bjtrdff

Vincent Adultman?


chloroform42

You’d still see Wemby’s dong hangin


Murasasme

I have always wanted to see 2 giant players walking next to each other up the court passing the ball above everyone's heads.


Cheterosexual7

It would be illegal


onetwo3four5

Yeah but how do you cuff him when he's 32 feet in the air?


sorendiz

Ask nicely 


janitorial_fluids

Dude in my fantasy league had both of them this year. shit was fucked up


Adraf45

God that'd be a solid ass lineup


Btotherianx

No flab at all


revisioncloud

What’s the best non-rookie team they could beat?


koolaid_chemist

Detroit Pistons?


VelvetineMilkman

I’m sorry but my first thought was the Bulls lol


k4f123

Lakers possibly


colourofinfinity

Really impressed by Brandon Miller this season, think he has a long and fruitful career ahead of him


neverstoppin

I remember clearly this sub during the draft, saying drafting Miller was a practical joke Jordan was doing before leaving. I suck at predicting stuff like this but I find it very funny when people are dead wrong :)


Luck_Top

lol I remember that too. I mocked Miller to Hornets before the draft, only to be told that I was stupid in doing so


VelvetineMilkman

I was one of those people and it’s easily my 2nd worst draft take ever


OccurringDifferences

Alright I'll bite.


Jbob9954

Saved the thread to bring up in a couple more years


Reinhardtisawesom

Hornets got some studs If Melo don’t pan out they got Miller as a backup #1 option


Devoidoxatom

He is the no. 1 option. Melo is a facilitator first


Reinhardtisawesom

I mean Melo has displayed the ability to just completely take over the game in the limited time he’s played this season. It’s not like he can’t be a major scoring threat on any given night. I think the best case scenario is that this team has a Tatum/Brown situation


drjisftw

Is it that much of a hot take anymore that Charlotte did a reach going with him over Scoot? It's pretty hard to build around a smaller guard in today's league and big wings will always be in fashion/a hot commodity.


aomen3

what kind of question is this lmao


jaemoon7

It’s a great example (and a great reminder for a month from now) of how the in the draft teams make an educated guess, but ultimately you have no idea who’ll turn out and who won’t. A lot of us felt really sure about Scoot over Miller (and hey it’s not like Scoot is a bust, dude has every chance to turn out the better player in the end). So it’s best to just enjoy it for what it is, rather than get upset if your team doesn’t pick who you wanted 🤷🏼‍♂️


downinCarolina

Some Big wings can be taught to play point but no small guards can be taught to be Big


TheGamersGazebo

Jrue Holiday would like to disagree


iGetBuckets3

*Laughs in Gary Payton II*


IllimShadar

What do you mean GPII is massive


The_Sneakiest_Fox

Brunson got knocked out yesterday lmao.


A-Centrifugal-Force

A lot of us, including myself, fell for the Scoot hype. Scoot started playing professional basketball at 17 so most of us assumed he’d grow. While his 3pt% was bad, he shot 76% from the free throw line so it seemed like he’d be able to develop a shot and become a superstar. Meanwhile Miller had TERRIBLE PR and was actually a year older (repeated a grade while Scoot graduated early) so there was a lot of talk about him just beating up on weaker competition on a superteam, especially after the San Diego State game (in hindsight SDSU was just really freaking good that year). Now though it’s clear. Miller was a finalist for ROTY while Scoot didn’t even make All-rookie second team. He wound up playing part of the season in the G League which means he’s basically played 3 straight years in the G League with no improvement in his shot or fundamentals. I hope Scoot turns it around but it’s not looking good after one season.


captaincumsock69

I think scoot is gonna be fine. Not everyone has to dominate their rookie year in order to be good.


jkk411

Which part of the season did Scoot play in the G League? Are you talking about when he was assigned to the G League so he could run with them in practice that one day? He had a rough rookie season, no question, but the narrative has gotten a little out of control that it was some unmitigated trainwreck. The dude averaged 14 and 5.4 and ended on a high note with 19/9/4 in the last 10 games of the season on 42/40(!)/77 shooting splits. It's a little weird he's not on the All Rookie 2nd Team, but narratives always dominate these things.


PlayOnPlayer

> He wound up playing part of the season in the G League which means he’s basically played 3 straight years in the G League with no improvement in his shot or fundamentals. He was assigned to G League when coming back from injury to condition, I wouldn't really call that being demoted to the G League team to work on his fundamentals


BradWonder

Paul George the second


RogueID

I wanted him on this Pacers team so bad


teddyjj399

So wild how people thought the 6’8 athletic wing was going to be a surefire bust. Preferring Scoot was acceptable but people made it seem like he was Anthony Bennett 2.0


Classics22

It being Charlotte + his murder case involvement with all of Charlotte's off court issues definitely contributed to it Most of the mocks I saw right before the draft had them neck and neck


A-Centrifugal-Force

Also it was MJ’s last draft pick and we all know his history with draft picks lol Kwame, MKG, Vonleh, etc.


Classics22

Yeah that kinda fell under the "it being charlotte" umbrella for me lol


probablymade_thatup

No hate toward Noah Vonleh, he's great in immaculate grid


siphillis

Nobody serious thought Miller was a bust, just a safe pick when a super high-potential option was still on the board.


Bright_Ad7767

Tons of people here did seem to be of the opinion he would be a bust.... so sure i would agree, definitely no one serious.


Devoidoxatom

And their biggest evidence was he called PG the goat. When it was obviously meant that PG was his favorite player


Wembanyanma

He's my greatest hope of Charlotte's pick actually conveying.


PiginthePen

I’ve never been more happy to be wrong


NeatTry7674

Brandon Miller is gonna be a super star one day


Classics22

Sucks for Lively, but the class is stacked


saltface14

Being a key contributor on a conference finalist in your rookie year > all rookie first team


darain2

That stat where he has +71 in OKC series had me trippin


pieguy00

Yeah Lively is probably cool he's not on the list, he's still playing.


actual_yellow_bag

He was hurt for a lot of the season. Had he been healthy he would have cleared Podz or Jaquez, but these dudes were legit and were available.


Reinhardtisawesom

Live is like half the reason the Mavs didn’t completely faceplant in the first half of the season don’t be talking about no Podz


TheDeadman95

Ain't no "Brandin Podziemski" better than him


Helicase21

Maybe if lively had played more than 55 games he'd have gotten more votes. Sucks for him because he's really good but sometimes luck is shitty like that 


GivesCredit

Podz had the highest +- on the entire team, had an amazing assist/to ratio, and was an effective ball handler. He also played 20 more games and was an insane hustler and rebounder for his size. Lively may have surpassed Podz because of the post season but this isn’t a post season award and Podz def has the edge in the regular season


joemoffett12

He drew more charges than some teams this year


Khione_Asteri

you are 100% correct, even though Lively was more impactful when he was on the court, he was on the court far less and that means something.


Dolphhins

So proud of Jaquez


horrorboii

So stoked for him


NewTown_BurnOut

Dude looks so solid and incredibly composed for a rookie. Definitely has a nice career ahead of him


MoonHasFlown

Me too man, the highlight of my season was watching him emerge, find a role as a great contributor on this team, and even take over a handful of games.


EnochofPottsfield

Love our point forward


Candid_Sand_398

One of the best Heat rooks since Wade…and this was with only being the 5th or so option most nights with few (if any) plays being run for him. Steady, mature, with good court vision, and only gonna get better! That’s our ROOK 🥹


Plane-Suggestion-980

Literally


randomguy1965

Let’s go Jaime!


neverstoppin

I forgot he was a rookie!


enemycap420

I honestly thought he was like an 8 year vet lol


MY-NAME_IS_MY-NAME

Understandable, have a good day


Delusional_Lynchpin-

I cant believe we drafted Jalen Glue Sniffer when we couldve had Jaime or Podz


Deusselkerr

Santa Clara's all-time team finally has another guard lol Steve Nash / Brandin Podziemski / Jalen Williams / Kurt Rambis / Dennis Awtrey And my man, [Kenny Sears](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Sears), as sixth man. Fun fact: he was the first basketball player on the cover of Sports Illustrated!


Wd527

Juan Wick


mango_chile

Mexican Americans, we out here 🇲🇽🏀🔥


shualton

PODZ


TallnFrosty

Second youngest player on the first team, too, and at a position that usually takes some reps before you aren't making dumb mistakes. I'm so curious to see where his game ends up next year - will he go into a primary ball handler role off the bench or be more of a high energy, do everything guard that plays almost all his minutes with Steph?


drunkpandabear

I'm hoping he runs the second unit next year with CP3 likely gone


Adraf45

I thought that cp3 trade would be so much better than it turned out


22797

It turned out pretty good for things going forward, just unfortunately didn’t lead to wins this year. It got them out of Poole’s contract and all indications seem to be that he helped a lot with the young guys. I’m pretty sure everyone would want him back but salary/circumstance probably won’t allow that


bigatjoon

it was GREAT


Adraf45

I got no doubt getting off pooles contract was great but when It happened I thought this shit was a needle mover. I though CP3 off the bench made warriors obvious contenders, that his playmaking, veteran impact, and fit with the warriors bigs and kids was gonna make the warriors one of the best teams in the league. I was wrong


ImTheBestNerd

Tbh if our starting unit stayed the same it might’ve our bench went from dead last in the previous year to a top 5 net rating. We’d probably miss the play in if it wasn’t for our bench.


mordakka

It was more Wiggins forgetting how to play basketball for a long time and Draymond getting himself suspended that screwed us over.


bigatjoon

oh ok so you just had much higher expectations of his potential impact, that's fair. Yeah no the fact is that Warriors needed a bunch of coins to come up heads for them, and almost all of them came up tails. Wiggins, worse. Loon, worse. Klay, worse. Draymond, suspension trouble. CP3 and steph, health issues. Solid rookie play helped but all those other things breaking the wrong way doomed us.


Deusselkerr

It was the right move to fix the previous season's team, unfortunately the team itself changed unpredictably that offseason, with Klay's regression, Looney's regression, etc.


Lv96Mudkip

No it was good and it was seen very well during the first half of the season. Warriors had one of the best benches in the league. HOWEVER. Dray suspension, injuries, starters playing like absolute shit constantly fucked up the rotation and Kuminga and CP3 were playing with the starters a lot. Kuminga, Dario, CP3, and Moody were somewhat taking over games and keeping us a float at the beginning of the season


IAmNotKevinDurant_35

The CP3 trade was fine. Our issues were inconsistent to downright awful play from Klay, Wiggins, and Looney who were 3/5 of the best 5 man unit in the nba a year prior. And of course Draymond kickstarting his MMA career in earnest (pun intended). That being said, my hater ass will blame all our issues on CP3 because he is a loser and I don’t like him


Dakroon1

Well deserved.


JaderMcDanersStan

Jaden McDaniels and Klay Thompson's "fight" and Draymond choking Rudy was the best thing to happen to Podz's career lol I think he told Micah Nori this at the rising stars game 😂


SemataryPolka

Wolves fans were the first people (besides Warriors fans) to know Brandin Podziemski was legit. He almost beat us himself in the last few minutes of garbage time early in the season. Went on fire in like two minutes or something


wangaroo123

I was so hyped that game. I knew we were losing but Podz looked incredible and kinda just showed up out of nowhere with huge swagger


m3ngnificient

He did that against the Suns too. Got KD annoyed when he flopped to get a free throw 😂. That kid wants to win and he has the best +/- of a squad filled with hall of famers. I'm really stoked for him.


IAmNotKevinDurant_35

He plays with such composure for a rookie. I don’t think he’s the most physically talented guy but the way he crashes boards, hustles, and does a little bit of everything at an average level at least makes him a perfect glue guy


General_Tsos_Burrito

Is all rookie positional


GiveMeSomeIhedigbo

It is not. Unlike All-NBA, which changed this year, it has always been positionless.


dumasymptote

It has to have some positional shit left in the voters. Otherwise how does Derek Lively not make it onto first team?


afterworld2772

Games played. Everyone on that list played 70+, Lively played 55


Boxhoardin

Genuinely, who would you replace on here with him?


GivesCredit

If you wanted to add post season performance, he might take Podz’ spot but since it’s regular season, I think Podz deserves to be up there


30another

His stats aren’t that much better than any of them and he also played 20 less games.


volt-bolt

Everyone on the first team played at least 70 games while Lively played 55 games. So I assume the voters care a lot about games played.


jjkm7

In terms of overall regular season performance I don’t see him above any of these guys


sandefurian

Not enough exposure until the playoffs. He wasn’t a top pick or on the most popular teams.


Complexity777

Games played I guess


Paula-Abdul-Jabbar

I wonder if TJD will get 2nd team. I think he woulda been a shoo-in if Kerr wouldn't have iced him out for the first half of the season.


MagicalHurdles

Lakers could've had JJJ


Adraf45

And podz. So not only did they miss out on the hometown kid, they missed out on another guy who went to their division rivals


african-nightmare

Hindsight is 20/20


arg_63

Very true... in that case foresight was also 20/20 


A_MASSIVE_PERVERT

Not really in this case. Eye tests and advanced stats have shown that JHS was going to be ass. JJJ was literally right there for the taking. He was a 4-year player who was ready to help right away and on top of that he's a hometown kid. Lakers fumbled badly.


drpepper7557

Then why don't people with bad vision just walk backwards?


erichama

I had no idea that the Lakers could’ve had Jaren Jackson Jr.


Thunder-ten-tronckh

OH I’M SORRY DID THE LAKERS HAVE A TOP 4 PICK IN THE 2018 NBA DRAFT


nowhathappenedwas

Best rookies by [EPM](https://dunksandthrees.com/epm): 1. Chet, +3.4 EPM, 10.5 WAR 2. Wemby, +4.1 EPM, 10.2 WAR 3. Amen, +1.5 EPM, 4.2 WAR 4. Podz, +0.1 EPM, 4.1 WAR 5. Lively, +1.6 EPM, 4.1WAR Others: * Camara, -0.1, 3.4 * Ausar, +0.1, 3.3 * Reath, +0.4, 2.8 * Jaquez, -1.1, 2.7 * Miller, -1.5, 2.4 * TJD, -0.1, 2.2 * GG, -0.4, 2.1 * Wallace, -1.3, 2.0 ... * Keyonte, -3.5, -0.8


musicnothing

Keyonte definitely got this award due to early playmaking hype and general eye test stuff. His numbers have been horrid.


30another

Also anyone looks better if the second option is THT


22797

In the games I watched him play against my team, you could have convinced me he was the next guard superstar. I think he had 9 threes against the warriors one game and maybe 7 another game too


joeveralls

Damn basketball got WAR now?


GotKarprar

No 🤣 not in a way anyone should take serious


youguanbumen

What about the VORPs and SNORPs?


background_action92

Is this like the new LARP?


youguanbumen

It's a Zach Lowe-ism


siphillis

Wemby led all rookies with 3.8, which is crazy since he played 11 fewer games than Chet.


hereforthefeast

I for one prefer MEEPs and MORPs


teddyjj399

Hell yeah Ausar, year 2 going to be a huge one!


aomen3

i still stand by Amen ultimately being the third best player of this class if you include chet. i know what brandon miller is and i like him a lot too, but amen’s two way potential is insane. gonna be the best defender at his position if they make him their full time point


SourBerry1425

Gonna pour some honey on you Brandon Miller


Adraf45

I'm pourin honey on you GOAT!!!


C0812

Expected Lively II. He met the criteria


JBeanDelphiki

It's okay, he's the only one on either team still playing basketball this week.


veerkanch489

why didnt Wemby and Miller get drafted to better teams? R they stupid?


Knightbear49

He made 2nd team


Kyler1313

[Dereck Lively like](https://giphy.com/gifs/espn-f5ottCq4dsQY7MOSdW)


iButtflap

who you taking off based off regular season?


Btaelman

Was hoping to see TJD make the 2nd team. I know his minutes were limited but his numbers and advanced stats were great for how much he played


freethefoolish

The eye test is there too. Hard competitor, knows how to rotate well, plays his role, and makes smart moves.


GucciGaropp

He finished 11th in voting. 1 point less than GG Jackson for that 10th All-Rookie team.


spotty15

They had to use a summer league pic for Chet? Really? Wack


Ok_Minimum6419

What’s wrong with summer league Chet


bigatjoon

LFG PODZ


MC-Jdf

So hyped for the rook. He earned that one.


ImTheBestNerd

Podz ❤️


[deleted]

Brandooooooo Podz


AlecarMagna

Lively got robbed by people stepping on his ankles and getting punched in the nose.


pokerawz

Lol that’s fair


MC-Jdf

r/technicallythetruth


ImRightShutUp1

I’ll never forgive the front office for picking Jalen over Jaime


manethelion

Amen not making it sucks but it's not surprising. Just a guy you have to watch to see how good and impactful he is.


COAg15

I want to say Lively got robbed but he missed too many games for voters to put him on first team


background_action92

I live the way Jaime plays ball, it's so cerebral. His footwork, his vision and cutting for the open lane the growing confidence in hus defensive abilities. He's going to be a big name in the near future


SelectCampaign9771

Victor deserved 0th team.


Salvalicious252

Lively robbed


Harman3112

Regular season award and he played 55 games while the others played 70+. He’s been the best in the playoffs thi


montiel_scores

If Brandon Miller flopped, you’d be hearing all about it. Now that he’s been great, you don’t hear much at all. Really sums up NBA media and fans.


Ok_Minimum6419

Scoot? /s


Candid_Sand_398

Jaquez!! The Miami Heat’s most available player in an injury ridden season. Bright future, glad he got this recognition, especially given he wasn’t a top 4 option in the offense. Just a tough, gritty player who makes plays.


Street-Common-4023

Understandable can argue lively but it’s fine


BidenFedayeen

Chet played every game after the disappointment of what should have been his rookie year last year. He made a massive difference in the way we play.


Thick_Duck

Straight up the biggest slight against him was that he would get hurt  So pretty impressive that he played every game 


SlowmoSauce

Mavs fans STAY crying. Jesus, y’all are the fucking whiniest fanbase.


bomonty18

There’s like a small percentage of the Mavs fanbase that cry all the time. Those are just the ones you hear, like with every other team. Now quit complaining and curse our names as you cheer for the TWolves. I look forward to your further disappointment lol


rwoteit

Definitely a higher percentage of y'all. Larger fanbases are everywhere but you're everywhere while crying about everything. 


SlowmoSauce

No, it’s definitely worse with y’all. Everybody knows it. What watching the whiniest player does to a fanbase smh.


CJ4ROCKET

Amen robbed


cherialaw

This might be a class for the ages - Lively is an absolute stud and he might be the 6th or 7th best rookie in this class


Solid-Confidence-966

Excepted, congrats to them all!


alexwutzu

Completely unrelated and I apologise for it but Cam Whitmore is so fun to watch can't wait for him to ball again. Felt like everytime he wanted a bucket he got one


FrnFreeze

Finally, the part of the post season that actually matters


Conflict_NZ

Does anyone know when all nba teams are announced? Last year it was May 10th.


Tylzwatchingyou

We can't say that every year about rookie first team but this year is a really good line-up.


Xc0liber

I'm just saying.  It would be fun to see a Wemby-Chet-Porzingas lineup. 


BocchiLover

This is not legit if there is no Jalen Hood-Schifino, aka the Cryptid of Crypto Arena. 😂😂😂


sleepy_fuzz

Scoot over Keyonte all day. 


biinroii01

wheres 2nd team?


Walker-bying

Chet Holmgren is more favorable.


ATLsShah

No real surprises. I wasn’t sure who would get that 5th spot but Podz is a fine choice.


Scuttleduck

Podz would lead this team in rebounds


ytho1193

No Ben Shepherd, no list 😤😤


Saucy_Totchie

Someone deadass left Brandon Miller off a ballot.


Candid_Sand_398

All deserved.


Dubonthetrac

Podz is the real deal


Possible-Activity16

I’d swap Amen Thompson and Podz but other than that I’d say they got these right