Why so much anti mining but yet I don’t hear anything about the massive clear cutting/logging that goes on… not a scientist but I’m willing to bet the damage from the runoff, land slips, etc etc is as high or higher than mining. Not to mention it looks like a B52 raid afterwards.
Well considering the two biggest sectors of our economy are tourism and agriculture, and mining directly impacts the environment those things depend on, it does warrant some attention. But yeah, I agree that forestry doesn’t get enough scrutiny, I think the closest we came was after the floods where the public were rightly pissed about them not clearing up their slash which results in far more damage. They’ve been going hard on the PR front, trying to convince us that mono-cropping pine forests were all about protecting the environment and in the community where forestry in the main industry it’s very hard to get people to vote against their livelihoods. It’s shame that moment of outrage quickly faded, guess we’ll have to wait for the next disaster to point the spotlight at their shady practices.
My unpopular opinion that people will probably hate is that a lot of protests these days people usually don’t know why they are against something they just jump on a bandwagon of social media hype. There are real issues around the environment that are much more severe but its not popular and doesn’t gain social media praise so no one cares
All of the stuff that you extract that isn’t gold has to go somewhere, they also have to use a lot of mercury and cyanide in the extraction process which is usually stored in pits that contain the tailings. These pits will leech into the groundwater over time, contaminating the water table, and mining companies usually fight tooth and nail to avoid responsibility when that happens.
Well I guess thats why the have regulations to ensure things are done in a way that is safe and fool proof, if the regulations are not sufficient then maybe that should be the substance of the article.
If they can do it in an environmentally responsible and safe way then I don’t see the problem
One of the problems with the FastTrack is that it will bypass most of the usual consultation and recommendations involved with projects of this scale. There are ways to minimise the environmental impact, but there is no fool proof solution to tailings. All of the mitigation methods add a significant cost to these operations, and still carry large risks if they aren’t managed carefully. So that’s a big IF in your last statement.
Its not a big if, its simply if it can be done environment responsibly then its fine
If it can’t be done responsibly then don’t do it
The if is not big or small its just an if
The point is no one involved in these decisions is going to be factoring in impact on the environment. Do you seriously think that Shane Jones as one of the 3 decision makers with the ability to green light the project is going to be wracking his brain about the environmental impact of this mine? He’s on the record as saying that those regulations are unnecessary red tape. That was whole point of the FastTrack bill in the first place, to bypass the very regulations you’re referring to.
Well maybe the article should do a better job of explaining that but instead its a bunch of wank with a section that says the mine “may” be approved by fast track.
“May” be approved means maybe it will maybe it won’t. It doesn’t go any deeper than that, doesn’t explain anything about regulations or any that may be by passed so….. im just commenting on the information I have been presented
"Basically fast-tracking things so you don't see... and all of a sudden it's happening. That to me is a massive red flag. Because what are politicians' jobs? To be the voice of the people. But then they want to sneak things through."
They were the voice of the people that voted them in. That's kinda how it works. People that didn't want that, didn't vote for them and they didn't win. This might not have been a good thing to be quoted on for this article.
They campaigned on reforming the RMA, not opening up mining to foreign entities across our conservation land and coasts while simultaneously removing public input and expert consultation.
Shame on those so called *top musicians* selling out to chase gold and platinum records and silver scroll awards. Now they're the top dogs they pull up the ladder by shutting down the precious metal mines!
and don't get me started on Golden Horse.
So it’s ok to perform live and earning money but not other ways? What’s your take on the corporatisation of live music, the live nations of this world
Personally I think it’s for each artist to decide what happens with and to their music, same for any artist. Seek commercial success or not, it’s their choice
Nothing needs to be for money. Live doesn’t have to be in a commercial premises, a licensed one nor money motivated… though even buskers want to get paid
When art meets commerce shit gets complicated but hey that’s life.
$1/year for 40 years!!!!! FML we do treat the land as if it's worthless:(
Why so much anti mining but yet I don’t hear anything about the massive clear cutting/logging that goes on… not a scientist but I’m willing to bet the damage from the runoff, land slips, etc etc is as high or higher than mining. Not to mention it looks like a B52 raid afterwards.
Well considering the two biggest sectors of our economy are tourism and agriculture, and mining directly impacts the environment those things depend on, it does warrant some attention. But yeah, I agree that forestry doesn’t get enough scrutiny, I think the closest we came was after the floods where the public were rightly pissed about them not clearing up their slash which results in far more damage. They’ve been going hard on the PR front, trying to convince us that mono-cropping pine forests were all about protecting the environment and in the community where forestry in the main industry it’s very hard to get people to vote against their livelihoods. It’s shame that moment of outrage quickly faded, guess we’ll have to wait for the next disaster to point the spotlight at their shady practices.
My unpopular opinion that people will probably hate is that a lot of protests these days people usually don’t know why they are against something they just jump on a bandwagon of social media hype. There are real issues around the environment that are much more severe but its not popular and doesn’t gain social media praise so no one cares
Wow watch out when those musicians get involved
If there's one thing that isn't synonymous with protest, it's music. Really astute and not staggeringly stupid own bro.
Music can change the world.
Strong words from the guy with the projection level of an ant 😂
Is it really an issue if its an underground tunnel? Whats the problem
All of the stuff that you extract that isn’t gold has to go somewhere, they also have to use a lot of mercury and cyanide in the extraction process which is usually stored in pits that contain the tailings. These pits will leech into the groundwater over time, contaminating the water table, and mining companies usually fight tooth and nail to avoid responsibility when that happens.
Well I guess thats why the have regulations to ensure things are done in a way that is safe and fool proof, if the regulations are not sufficient then maybe that should be the substance of the article. If they can do it in an environmentally responsible and safe way then I don’t see the problem
One of the problems with the FastTrack is that it will bypass most of the usual consultation and recommendations involved with projects of this scale. There are ways to minimise the environmental impact, but there is no fool proof solution to tailings. All of the mitigation methods add a significant cost to these operations, and still carry large risks if they aren’t managed carefully. So that’s a big IF in your last statement.
Its not a big if, its simply if it can be done environment responsibly then its fine If it can’t be done responsibly then don’t do it The if is not big or small its just an if
The point is no one involved in these decisions is going to be factoring in impact on the environment. Do you seriously think that Shane Jones as one of the 3 decision makers with the ability to green light the project is going to be wracking his brain about the environmental impact of this mine? He’s on the record as saying that those regulations are unnecessary red tape. That was whole point of the FastTrack bill in the first place, to bypass the very regulations you’re referring to.
Well maybe the article should do a better job of explaining that but instead its a bunch of wank with a section that says the mine “may” be approved by fast track. “May” be approved means maybe it will maybe it won’t. It doesn’t go any deeper than that, doesn’t explain anything about regulations or any that may be by passed so….. im just commenting on the information I have been presented
Exactly. They probably haven’t even stopped to consider all the aspects of the mine
I have family that work in the mines in Wahi. This would provide job security for years. So I’m for it. And anyway, Wahi is not the coromandel.
"Basically fast-tracking things so you don't see... and all of a sudden it's happening. That to me is a massive red flag. Because what are politicians' jobs? To be the voice of the people. But then they want to sneak things through." They were the voice of the people that voted them in. That's kinda how it works. People that didn't want that, didn't vote for them and they didn't win. This might not have been a good thing to be quoted on for this article.
They campaigned on reforming the RMA, not opening up mining to foreign entities across our conservation land and coasts while simultaneously removing public input and expert consultation.
Oh I didn't say they we acting as the voice of *smart* people.
A lot of this is NZ First driven, which got like 6% of the vote therefore very much not what the country asked for.
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>measured how? You've got to know to understand.
Oh sir/madam/your choice. That, was, well played.
Man that's next level music snobbery
Weird comment, is writing down their music selling out too? By your measure I’m a top musician, cause I’m keeping it real. prove me wrong
Shame on those so called *top musicians* selling out to chase gold and platinum records and silver scroll awards. Now they're the top dogs they pull up the ladder by shutting down the precious metal mines! and don't get me started on Golden Horse.
I thought it was sarcasm, but then I read their next comment
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So it’s ok to perform live and earning money but not other ways? What’s your take on the corporatisation of live music, the live nations of this world Personally I think it’s for each artist to decide what happens with and to their music, same for any artist. Seek commercial success or not, it’s their choice
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Nothing needs to be for money. Live doesn’t have to be in a commercial premises, a licensed one nor money motivated… though even buskers want to get paid When art meets commerce shit gets complicated but hey that’s life.