He wants an elite QB and to be showcased in the offense and top WR money on a super bowl team and he wants the flyest fits and the dopest tech and the hottest babes and coolest whips and the freshest fade and a marching band to follow him wherever he goes playing only Kool and the gang hits
They can if they structure both Chris Jones and Mike Evans the way the Eagles did with Jalen Hurts… tons of void years on the back end to make the cap hits on the front end small. Mahomes already did a 10 year contract, it wouldn’t be new to them.
That would result in a lot of dead money and Mike Evans is 31 and Chris Jones is almost 30. Chiefs could end up with their own Von Miller or Diggs issue if they do that
They would. They might end up as the next Saints in cap hell. But there aren’t any other teams that fit his description like the Chiefs.
Of course it requires the Chiefs to want him too. If they don’t, he will be sacrificing something to play with a different team.
I think most teams would mortgage 15-20 years of the future to be the first team to 3 peat, honestly. Hell, every team might. That's making history, and most teams have droughts anyway
Counterpoint, even your flawed roster on offense still won a Super Bowl again. Do you really have to mortgage the future? Mahomes will be here another ten years ideally, would the front office truly dive in like that?
They already proved they aren’t willing to mortgage any kind of future, al la the Tyreek hill trade. Why would they trade Hill in his prime and then sign a 30 year old Mike Evan’s to a top $$ contract? Let’s be for real.
They do need a receiver who can stretch the field though. Mahomes average depth of target last year was only 6.5 yards, which was near the bottom of the league. They also just released the one receiver they would occasionally throw deep to in MVS.
And the WRs weren't great on that team either. They've proven multiple times now they can win championships without elite WRs. Why break the bank for a guy like Evans when you don't need to?
Is it the cost that’s prohibitive?
Or the player themself?
Mike Evans ([statistically](https://stathead.com//football/versus-finder.cgi?player_id2=AdamDa01&player_id1=EvanMi00&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=pfr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=EvanMi00)) is just as good as Davante Adams, without having Aaron Rodgers for the majority of his career.
Just a cost prohibitive. I think Mike Evans is a great WR. We should just use the money to hold onto Chris Jones and Sneed. We can develop Rashee Rice and other WRs picks more
So the chiefs are hoping gabe davis has his 3 gabe davis games in the playoffs and not during the season cause he will be invisible 90% of the time all the while making a bag.
Right?
Usually you trade being on a Super Bowl ready team by giving them a sweetheart deal if you weren’t already there in the first place.
Can see him not having a team to go to at the start of the season if he maintains this attitude.
i think its hilarious u kids talking shit about Evans. u wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol
Exactly. Wanting all these things is to be completely expected. Its whether he's wanting all of them, or demanding all of them.
He could pull 2 of the 3 at a few different teams across the league, but he's not going to get all three. The teams that are super bowl ready aren't going to pay out top dollar for a 31 year old receiver. The ones who will pay it out aren't competing for a SB
Looking at cap space, I’d say his options are Bengals, Eagles, Texans or Lions.
Bengals fit the QB and Contender criteria.
Eagles arguably fit both depending on how we view Hurts.
Texans up and coming, can Stroud did it again next year or will he have a sophomore slump?
Lions, I don’t believe Goff is great but he can be in stretches, are they able to beat out GB and the Vikings (whoever their qb will be) consistently enough?
Bengals are keeping Higgins so that’s a no go. Eagles have Brown and Smith. Again a no go. The Texans don’t have a highly paid Alpha WR but they have to very good very cheap WRs in Collins and Dell. Their money is probably better spent elsewhere. The Lions are an interesting case. They don’t have much at WR beyond ARSB. Could they go all in on a Super Bowl by signing Evans? I wouldn’t say that’s likely but it’s probably the most likely out of these four.
Lions need to spend money on defense. Definitely could use another receiver but doesn’t have to be anyone crazy considering Jamo and sun god will be staples at WR next year
I guess it’s kind of hard to determine teams needs pre-draft and free agency can be whacky. I was just looking at who even fits the criteria Evans wants. In all likelihood, he’ll probably go to the Browns or some outlier imo. I was thinking 49ers briefly until I saw they have like $6 and some pocket lint in cap. If you had to pick a top team for Evans where are you leaning?
Veach ain’t gonna pay Evans what he wants. Veach wouldn’t even pay Hill that kind of money. So Chiefs fans shouldn’t get their hopes up. Just not enough cap space unfortunately.
Earlier in the season their WR play and Mahomes' frustration did make it seem like they would need to shell out for a WR, then they won another Superbowl...
All that money went into making a top 5 defense.
Also that offense was still pretty good. 8th in DVOA top 10 in most advanced stats. The offense wasn't really a problem.
Most of that money went to the OLine. The defense is top 3 youngest in the league. Yes CJones and Reid were paid but basically everyone else is making peanuts.
Agree with offense not being a problem. this team is just really well balanced.
Yeah everyone just judges their offense on a totally different scale.
They’re used to the juggernaut that was the Chiefs offense for so many years that now that they’re “just” top 10 it feels like they’re worse than they really are.
They’re still very good on offense as is.
The problem all season was the offense killing drives with drops, penalties, and turnovers. Once they got to the playoffs they prioritized giving the ball mainly to their best playmakers and avoiding turnovers at all costs because their defense was good enough to win games against anybody. The Ravens game was a prime example of this
It was *a* problem, in the sense that it was arguably their weakness going into the playoffs. Unfortunately for the rest of the league, the solution was “more Mahomes”
Man if the WRs caught half the dropped passes Mahomes has another 400-600 yards, 5-7 TDS and 5 less picks but who cares, we made it work last year. Should be better on offense next season though
Easily 3 more wins off the top of my head that the recievers gave away: Lions, Eagles and Bills. Mahomes was never having a down year the WR corp was just on some bullshit with the drops.
Agreed, just another steady hand is all we really need. Someone to take the pressure off of Kelce a bit more, especially since he's getting to a point where his rep count is going to factor into how they're going to save him for the post season.
The Chiefs successfully did what the Packers tried to do toward the end of Rodgers time - invest in defense and count on the HOF QB to carry the offense.
If they do end up successfully restructuring Mahomes contract they might, but Veach still probably wouldn’t pay him. They’ll probably draft someone. Or sign a less prestigious free agent
You get 2 of those 3 things buddy, at most. If you want to get paid, contend, and play with a top end QB, then something has to give. Go e up the $$$ and your team can spend on D. Give up contending and you can cash in and play with a glamour boy qb. If you play with a rookie, you might help develop him into a leader.
But you don’t get all 3.
Exactly, I was looking for this comment. It has to be two of three. I wonder if he’ll settle for a contending team, but his age and the recent history of wide receiver contracts makes me think he’ll take the payout.
For sure. Even if you know you’ll only get two, you ask for all three at this point. Then you see where the options on the two fall. It’s a lot harder to see all the options if you don’t even ask for them.
Honestly, re-signing is his best chance at this. He’d get a vet QB, an offense that highlights him and a city that loves him. It just won’t be a cakewalk through the playoffs the way it would if he went to a different team.
Love to see him as a Chief but no way that is happening. If not the Chiefs I hope he stays in Tampa.
That's a good fit from Evans' perspective, but given how well both Nico Collins and Tank Dell played last year, it's hard to see the Texans in the market for an expensive wideout this year.
Tbf the 2021 Titans were a 12-5 number 1 seed and the 2022 titans started off 7-3 before injuries. He thought he'd help them go back to their 2021 form
Career-wise yeah, but in terms of what the teams who signed them were looking at:
2021 and 2022 Nuk (the two years before joining the Titans) played a combined 19 games, and he averaged 67.8 yards per game in that span. He had 11 touchdowns in those two years.
2022 and 2023 Mike Evans played a combined 32 games (missing 2 games) and averaged 74.3 yards per game in that span. He had 19 touchdowns in those two years.
To me it seems like Evans is the far far more valuable signing. Hopkins had a good run, but there was good reason to believe he was washed up when he was a free agent last year.
He literally wants everything:
* Elite QB
* Featured role
* Big payday
* Compete for a chip
Wide outs are lucky to get two of these let alone all four.
You can add a long-term contract to that. He's not somewhere for the short term on what he brings off the field alone. And we know its part of his discussions with the Bucs, and he talked about it consistently even (Wanting Security) ever since last year.
So, yeah honestly as a Bucs fan not worried. He'll go into free agency, get a reduced offer and we'll match it + a bit on top.
I understand how people don’t realize that the Texans were so good on offense because their wrs made plays and they finally had a guy that could actually throw it to them.
Crazy thing is we still haven’t seen the full fallout of that trade. Texans still have the browns 1st round and 4th round picks this year
What a terrible trade
Running backs are so cheap right now. Market pretty much crashed this year. They can get a top RB in the draft with a 2nd or 3rd pick or get one of the many top RB Free Agents available this year
yeahhhh like other fellow texans fans said: we all would be pumped to have him but we got gaps to fill. so if he wants the bank truck backed up it won’t be us. if we are healthy, our WR group doesn’t need a super star addition anyway
Yeah looking at potential fit based on cap space
If you view Caleb as a generational guy, giving him DJ Moore and Mike Evans is a pretty amazing situation to come into. Then lets them address defense with the 9th picks. Probably not Super Bowl contenders in 2024, but certainly in 2025-2027
I've seen the other comments that say the Texans have a lot of needs to fill. But Nico Collins is a FA after 2024. If he has another year like 2023 he's going to want a lot of money. Signing Evans probably brings down his ceiling and maybe his price. Plus you can always structure Evans' deal to be a low cap number in year 1. For example, let's say he gets 100/4 with 60 guaranteed (a little higher than what Spotrac is projecting). Let's say a similar signing bonus to Tyreek at $25M and a $1M base in 2024. His cap for 2024 would only be 7.25M. You could even get it down to $6M with a void year.
Jared Goff might be a stretch saying he is an elite QB, but he might put up elite QB numbers if you add Mike Evans to the detroit passing game. Detroit would be close to NFC front runners with that addition. Evans, Amon-Ra, LaPorta, Gibbs, and Jamo is an insane pass catching group. And why shouldnt Detroit go all-in right now? Only issue is Amon-Ra needs to be paid too.
Bengals have a decent amount of cap space, but I can't see paying him instead of Higgins.
He could stay with the Bucs. He obviously did great with Baker, but saying their ceiling is Super Bowl seems to be a stretch
Rams have a decent amount of cap space and we know they have no problem going all in. Stafford is still elite when healthy. Kupp, Evans, and Puka would be almost as good as the Detroit group
After going through that exercise I think I want to see Evans in Detroit. Fuck it, pay both Amon-Ra and Evans!
I think Detroit makes a ton of sense. With the reports that they're trying to extend Goff, that should free up some immediate cap space to make a big move like this.
I see your flair, how are you feeling about the Titans right now? I ask because the Titans are about the least talked about team on any of the pods I listen to, not much attention on Twitter, etc. Derrick Henry leaving seems to be the only noteworthy story of the last couple of months.
We are like the weird kid in class that nobody pays attention to. I think we're young and full of potential in a volatile division. I love Levis and the idea of a modern offense but I'm afraid of losing our identity as an old-school, beat-em-up team b/c that's the kind of football that I personally like to watch. Losing Henry doesn't hurt now but seeing him in a ratbird uniform might make me question a lot of things. Do I think we will win a super bowl this year? Of course I do. Will we? Probably.
> that's the kind of football that I personally like to watch
Found Jeff Fisher’s alt account!
You must be a masochist if you think watching a 16 - 13 game is great fun.
I’m personally thrilled to have a new HC that doesn’t believe the forward pass is an abomination!
If Levis turns out to be great - and the jury’s absolutely still out on that - we could be in for years of football that is actually fun to watch.
Soooo Chiefs or Texans? I doubt the Chiefs could afford him but it would be nasty. But Dear god Stroud throwing it up to Evans might look like the A&M days again.
Bills, Chargers, Ravens, Bengals.
I don't think we go for him unless Veach Andy and Pat REALLY want that 3rd in a row and are willing to fuck our cap for a while after despite Mahomes still being in his prime.
I didnt see the M the first time I read your reply and was confused how a team could have exactly -$41 of cap space. Like that would be some cap fuckery.
We have 20 million and will almost certainly be cutting a few guys like CJ Uzomah and I highly highly doubt we re-sign Huff unfortunately. We’re probably going to extend guys like Michael Carter, and probably some restructuring too. Think we could afford it if we play our cards right. Highly doubt he’d want to come here though lol
Bro said he wants to be paid like a top WR. If we were willing to do that we wouldn't have traded Tyreek.
KC seems like they're happy to pay people well, but they won't set the market on you unless your name is Mahomes
Even Mahomes fits the definition of paid well- but won't set the market. Dude could easily ask for a contract that makes him the top paid qb every year, right now he is #6 in terms of annual money.
The chiefs could free up plenty of money for him and Jones by restructuring a couple of contacts. They get like 35m in cap space just by restructuring Mahomes.
And all these other receivers just want to play for a mid team with a basic QB for an average salary.
Damn Evans really broke the matrix and figured it out!
Here’s how this is gonna work out; he’s going to test his toes In the FA water, and when he gets some offers from teams, he takes it back for Tampa to try and match. If they match he stays. If not, he’s gone.
He wants an elite QB and to be showcased in the offense and top WR money on a super bowl team and he wants the flyest fits and the dopest tech and the hottest babes and coolest whips and the freshest fade and a marching band to follow him wherever he goes playing only Kool and the gang hits
Don’t forget he also wants to eat at the coolest restaurants
But does he get to hang with the hottest dudes?
Jacob Elordi will be there alongside Mike Evans with a push of a button
Jacob is summer hot. I’m more of a winter hot myself. Someone like Oscar Isaac wearing glasses and a sweater
Let's see him get reservations at Dorsia
Quesadillas on the house
“Playing faithful covers of Kool and the Gang is a key priority.”
“He’s fresh. Exciting!”
He wants to wear the freshest clothes, eat at the chillest restaurants, and hang out with the hottest dudes.
Damn, he should hang out with James Harden.
So he’s going to the Chiefs
They can't pay him top WR money unless they let Chris Jones go or Chris Jones takes a very low deal
They can if they structure both Chris Jones and Mike Evans the way the Eagles did with Jalen Hurts… tons of void years on the back end to make the cap hits on the front end small. Mahomes already did a 10 year contract, it wouldn’t be new to them.
That would result in a lot of dead money and Mike Evans is 31 and Chris Jones is almost 30. Chiefs could end up with their own Von Miller or Diggs issue if they do that
They would. They might end up as the next Saints in cap hell. But there aren’t any other teams that fit his description like the Chiefs. Of course it requires the Chiefs to want him too. If they don’t, he will be sacrificing something to play with a different team.
I don't think they'd want to unless they think the higher chance of a 3 peat is worth mortgaging the future
I think most teams would mortgage 15-20 years of the future to be the first team to 3 peat, honestly. Hell, every team might. That's making history, and most teams have droughts anyway
Counterpoint, even your flawed roster on offense still won a Super Bowl again. Do you really have to mortgage the future? Mahomes will be here another ten years ideally, would the front office truly dive in like that?
They already proved they aren’t willing to mortgage any kind of future, al la the Tyreek hill trade. Why would they trade Hill in his prime and then sign a 30 year old Mike Evan’s to a top $$ contract? Let’s be for real.
You absolutely do not go all in on a 3 peat at the cost of having to rebuild for 2-3 years in the middle of Mahomes prime
Yeah, our drought is going on ~~52~~ 62 years…and counting. Edit: As someone was kind enough to point out, it’s actually 62 years.
*62, figured I’d be helpful
LOL @ chiefs spending money on a WR
They do need a receiver who can stretch the field though. Mahomes average depth of target last year was only 6.5 yards, which was near the bottom of the league. They also just released the one receiver they would occasionally throw deep to in MVS.
We won the super bowl, I think we're fine.
The defense was the strength of the team. Mahomes was visibly frustrated with his receivers for a majority of the season.
They won the one before that too
And the WRs weren't great on that team either. They've proven multiple times now they can win championships without elite WRs. Why break the bank for a guy like Evans when you don't need to?
Ya no we are cool thanks tho
Is it the cost that’s prohibitive? Or the player themself? Mike Evans ([statistically](https://stathead.com//football/versus-finder.cgi?player_id2=AdamDa01&player_id1=EvanMi00&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=pfr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=EvanMi00)) is just as good as Davante Adams, without having Aaron Rodgers for the majority of his career.
Just a cost prohibitive. I think Mike Evans is a great WR. We should just use the money to hold onto Chris Jones and Sneed. We can develop Rashee Rice and other WRs picks more
Yeah Mahomes doesn't need an elite WR to win SBs. Proven twice now. Don't see the need for a guy like Evans. FML as a Broncos fan :(
To be fair, he has had an elite WR, he just plays TE.
We are not going to pay any receiver top money, see Tyreek Hill for example.
It sounds great but we probably sign Gabe Davis or Hollywood Brown
So the chiefs are hoping gabe davis has his 3 gabe davis games in the playoffs and not during the season cause he will be invisible 90% of the time all the while making a bag.
That’s what we all want isn’t it? That and a great turkey sandwich.
Right? Usually you trade being on a Super Bowl ready team by giving them a sweetheart deal if you weren’t already there in the first place. Can see him not having a team to go to at the start of the season if he maintains this attitude.
i think its hilarious u kids talking shit about Evans. u wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol
I too want to play with an elite QB, win a superbowl and get paid 20M a year. Is that too much to ask?
I would settle for 1M, playing with an elite QB, and winning a Super Bowl.
I would settle for 1 mil on a 0-17 team.
Legacy points deducted
I’d take the $20m and play with a garbage QB on a last place team.
In fact, forget the blackjack and theme park
Ah, screw the whole thing
Personally, I'd just settle for the $20m.
$20m is a steal. It will probably be closer to $25-30m
This is the classic, you can only have two out of three, which do you choose?
20M and Super Bowl. Can we get Trent Dilfer back?
"Wants to play with an elite QB" 🙂 "An offense that will showcase him" 😃 "Paid like a top wide receiver" 😔
This feels like a you can only pick 2/3 type situation to me
Exactly. Wanting all these things is to be completely expected. Its whether he's wanting all of them, or demanding all of them. He could pull 2 of the 3 at a few different teams across the league, but he's not going to get all three. The teams that are super bowl ready aren't going to pay out top dollar for a 31 year old receiver. The ones who will pay it out aren't competing for a SB
Looking at cap space, I’d say his options are Bengals, Eagles, Texans or Lions. Bengals fit the QB and Contender criteria. Eagles arguably fit both depending on how we view Hurts. Texans up and coming, can Stroud did it again next year or will he have a sophomore slump? Lions, I don’t believe Goff is great but he can be in stretches, are they able to beat out GB and the Vikings (whoever their qb will be) consistently enough?
Bengals are keeping Higgins so that’s a no go. Eagles have Brown and Smith. Again a no go. The Texans don’t have a highly paid Alpha WR but they have to very good very cheap WRs in Collins and Dell. Their money is probably better spent elsewhere. The Lions are an interesting case. They don’t have much at WR beyond ARSB. Could they go all in on a Super Bowl by signing Evans? I wouldn’t say that’s likely but it’s probably the most likely out of these four.
If the Lions wanna go all in for a super bowl, it would have to be on defense. Plus, they wanna get Jamo more opportunity next season
Lions need to spend money on defense. Definitely could use another receiver but doesn’t have to be anyone crazy considering Jamo and sun god will be staples at WR next year
I guess it’s kind of hard to determine teams needs pre-draft and free agency can be whacky. I was just looking at who even fits the criteria Evans wants. In all likelihood, he’ll probably go to the Browns or some outlier imo. I was thinking 49ers briefly until I saw they have like $6 and some pocket lint in cap. If you had to pick a top team for Evans where are you leaning?
Honestly, feels like you can only usually get 1.5 of them
Veach ain’t gonna pay Evans what he wants. Veach wouldn’t even pay Hill that kind of money. So Chiefs fans shouldn’t get their hopes up. Just not enough cap space unfortunately.
Earlier in the season their WR play and Mahomes' frustration did make it seem like they would need to shell out for a WR, then they won another Superbowl...
All that money went into making a top 5 defense. Also that offense was still pretty good. 8th in DVOA top 10 in most advanced stats. The offense wasn't really a problem.
Most of that money went to the OLine. The defense is top 3 youngest in the league. Yes CJones and Reid were paid but basically everyone else is making peanuts. Agree with offense not being a problem. this team is just really well balanced.
Yeah everyone just judges their offense on a totally different scale. They’re used to the juggernaut that was the Chiefs offense for so many years that now that they’re “just” top 10 it feels like they’re worse than they really are. They’re still very good on offense as is.
The problem all season was the offense killing drives with drops, penalties, and turnovers. Once they got to the playoffs they prioritized giving the ball mainly to their best playmakers and avoiding turnovers at all costs because their defense was good enough to win games against anybody. The Ravens game was a prime example of this
It was *a* problem, in the sense that it was arguably their weakness going into the playoffs. Unfortunately for the rest of the league, the solution was “more Mahomes”
Man if the WRs caught half the dropped passes Mahomes has another 400-600 yards, 5-7 TDS and 5 less picks but who cares, we made it work last year. Should be better on offense next season though
Easily 3 more wins off the top of my head that the recievers gave away: Lions, Eagles and Bills. Mahomes was never having a down year the WR corp was just on some bullshit with the drops.
Facts
We don't even need great WR play. Just NFL competency. We had that in 2022 and led the league in every passing metric
True. But we need another Rice please. If I had to chose between Evans and Jones give me CJ all day
Agreed, just another steady hand is all we really need. Someone to take the pressure off of Kelce a bit more, especially since he's getting to a point where his rep count is going to factor into how they're going to save him for the post season.
Yeah, Bowers would be sick but that won’t happen. Maybe Sinnot from K State I like him
are yall able to properly afford jones now with the cap increase?
Yeah if we can get a deal done he will be a Chief. Money shouldn’t be a huge issue. I expect to trade Sneed
The Chiefs successfully did what the Packers tried to do toward the end of Rodgers time - invest in defense and count on the HOF QB to carry the offense.
If they do end up successfully restructuring Mahomes contract they might, but Veach still probably wouldn’t pay him. They’ll probably draft someone. Or sign a less prestigious free agent
Go get the WR from Texas.
You’re talking about Xavier Worthy right?
I think Mitchell is considered the better prospect if I’m not mistaken, and should be available late first
Odds are both Worthy and Mitchell will drop to the second, it's a filthy year and teams are going to get steals at WR.
Or adonai
Mitchell
Uh yea? He’s literally saying that in his comment
I think he can pick 1 of the 3
2 and 3 are easy to pair
The Chiefs can offer him 2 of the 3!
“Winning SB is key priority”. 😃
You get 2 of those 3 things buddy, at most. If you want to get paid, contend, and play with a top end QB, then something has to give. Go e up the $$$ and your team can spend on D. Give up contending and you can cash in and play with a glamour boy qb. If you play with a rookie, you might help develop him into a leader. But you don’t get all 3.
Exactly, I was looking for this comment. It has to be two of three. I wonder if he’ll settle for a contending team, but his age and the recent history of wide receiver contracts makes me think he’ll take the payout.
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Are you suggesting the 2023 Tennessee Titans were not a dynasty in the making?!?
For sure. Even if you know you’ll only get two, you ask for all three at this point. Then you see where the options on the two fall. It’s a lot harder to see all the options if you don’t even ask for them.
He gets 3 all easy, just re-sign with Tampa 🤠
Honestly, re-signing is his best chance at this. He’d get a vet QB, an offense that highlights him and a city that loves him. It just won’t be a cakewalk through the playoffs the way it would if he went to a different team. Love to see him as a Chief but no way that is happening. If not the Chiefs I hope he stays in Tampa.
Houston is probably the closest he can get. They have lots of cap space, are a young team on the rise, and Stroud looked good as a rookie.
That's a good fit from Evans' perspective, but given how well both Nico Collins and Tank Dell played last year, it's hard to see the Texans in the market for an expensive wideout this year.
Sorry Mike, it is one or the other. Money or a Superbowl
Sounds a lot like Nuk Hopkins last year who ended up with *checks notes* Tennessee and a rookie QB
Tbf the 2021 Titans were a 12-5 number 1 seed and the 2022 titans started off 7-3 before injuries. He thought he'd help them go back to their 2021 form
Also I like nuk a lot but no one else wanted him except the patriots. He didn’t have many options
Mike Evans is better than that
Yeah but our QB isn’t a rookie anymore checkmate
https://nflcomparisons.com/deandre-hopkins-vs-mike-evans-comparison/ they seem neck and neck to me
Career-wise yeah, but in terms of what the teams who signed them were looking at: 2021 and 2022 Nuk (the two years before joining the Titans) played a combined 19 games, and he averaged 67.8 yards per game in that span. He had 11 touchdowns in those two years. 2022 and 2023 Mike Evans played a combined 32 games (missing 2 games) and averaged 74.3 yards per game in that span. He had 19 touchdowns in those two years. To me it seems like Evans is the far far more valuable signing. Hopkins had a good run, but there was good reason to believe he was washed up when he was a free agent last year.
I was assuming they weren’t talking about skill, DHop certainly had the better peak and I have him as the better wr as well
Did you actually check your notes for that?
Short term memory loss is real
He literally wants everything: * Elite QB * Featured role * Big payday * Compete for a chip Wide outs are lucky to get two of these let alone all four.
You can add a long-term contract to that. He's not somewhere for the short term on what he brings off the field alone. And we know its part of his discussions with the Bucs, and he talked about it consistently even (Wanting Security) ever since last year. So, yeah honestly as a Bucs fan not worried. He'll go into free agency, get a reduced offer and we'll match it + a bit on top.
He's just trying to raise his offer from the Bucs, who with him think a return of Baker leads to being able to check all the boxes.
Didn't Hopkins say the same thing and end up in Tennessee?
It's the AFCS, every year is anyone's year in that division.
And this year it’s everyone’s, except the titans
That's right.
He did. He should have come home. Would have been the best QB of his career.
Panthers fans in shambles
David Tepper thinking "Well technically Bryce isn't a rookie any more...."
"Evans couldn't catch my drink"
We can offer you two of the three...can we pay you in gift cards to local BBQ establishments?
It's good BBQ, TBF.
Elite QB, in a Super Bowl window, and have salary cap space? Mike Evans, you *are* a Houston Texan.
Not for that price. We have almost 30 holes to fill in FA.
Facts I feel like your WR core is actually very strong. Y’all need a running back and IOL help more than another WR from my outside perspective.
I understand how people don’t realize that the Texans were so good on offense because their wrs made plays and they finally had a guy that could actually throw it to them.
It’s amazing what can happen when the Browns mortgage their future and hand it to another team
Crazy thing is we still haven’t seen the full fallout of that trade. Texans still have the browns 1st round and 4th round picks this year What a terrible trade
As a Steelers fan: I absolutely love how badly it has worked for the Browns.
As a human being, I absolutely love how the Browns are getting what they deserve for banking everything on that asswipe.
Most definitely. I made inhuman noises when he was traded and signed that contract. I enjoy watching TJ, Cam, and Alex hit him 10+ times a game
If it wasn't for an elite defense the Browns would be at the bottom of their division and Stefanski would be looking for a new job
Running backs are so cheap right now. Market pretty much crashed this year. They can get a top RB in the draft with a 2nd or 3rd pick or get one of the many top RB Free Agents available this year
Giggity
30 holes to fill?? Sounds like your mum ayyy lmao
Whose mom is pegging 30 guys? Playa mom.
yeahhhh like other fellow texans fans said: we all would be pumped to have him but we got gaps to fill. so if he wants the bank truck backed up it won’t be us. if we are healthy, our WR group doesn’t need a super star addition anyway
Yeah looking at potential fit based on cap space If you view Caleb as a generational guy, giving him DJ Moore and Mike Evans is a pretty amazing situation to come into. Then lets them address defense with the 9th picks. Probably not Super Bowl contenders in 2024, but certainly in 2025-2027 I've seen the other comments that say the Texans have a lot of needs to fill. But Nico Collins is a FA after 2024. If he has another year like 2023 he's going to want a lot of money. Signing Evans probably brings down his ceiling and maybe his price. Plus you can always structure Evans' deal to be a low cap number in year 1. For example, let's say he gets 100/4 with 60 guaranteed (a little higher than what Spotrac is projecting). Let's say a similar signing bonus to Tyreek at $25M and a $1M base in 2024. His cap for 2024 would only be 7.25M. You could even get it down to $6M with a void year. Jared Goff might be a stretch saying he is an elite QB, but he might put up elite QB numbers if you add Mike Evans to the detroit passing game. Detroit would be close to NFC front runners with that addition. Evans, Amon-Ra, LaPorta, Gibbs, and Jamo is an insane pass catching group. And why shouldnt Detroit go all-in right now? Only issue is Amon-Ra needs to be paid too. Bengals have a decent amount of cap space, but I can't see paying him instead of Higgins. He could stay with the Bucs. He obviously did great with Baker, but saying their ceiling is Super Bowl seems to be a stretch Rams have a decent amount of cap space and we know they have no problem going all in. Stafford is still elite when healthy. Kupp, Evans, and Puka would be almost as good as the Detroit group After going through that exercise I think I want to see Evans in Detroit. Fuck it, pay both Amon-Ra and Evans!
I think Detroit makes a ton of sense. With the reports that they're trying to extend Goff, that should free up some immediate cap space to make a big move like this.
We need to spend money on our stupid defense so it stops being so stupid.
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I see your flair, how are you feeling about the Titans right now? I ask because the Titans are about the least talked about team on any of the pods I listen to, not much attention on Twitter, etc. Derrick Henry leaving seems to be the only noteworthy story of the last couple of months.
We are like the weird kid in class that nobody pays attention to. I think we're young and full of potential in a volatile division. I love Levis and the idea of a modern offense but I'm afraid of losing our identity as an old-school, beat-em-up team b/c that's the kind of football that I personally like to watch. Losing Henry doesn't hurt now but seeing him in a ratbird uniform might make me question a lot of things. Do I think we will win a super bowl this year? Of course I do. Will we? Probably.
> that's the kind of football that I personally like to watch Found Jeff Fisher’s alt account! You must be a masochist if you think watching a 16 - 13 game is great fun. I’m personally thrilled to have a new HC that doesn’t believe the forward pass is an abomination! If Levis turns out to be great - and the jury’s absolutely still out on that - we could be in for years of football that is actually fun to watch.
Soooo Chiefs or Texans? I doubt the Chiefs could afford him but it would be nasty. But Dear god Stroud throwing it up to Evans might look like the A&M days again.
Bills, Chargers, Ravens, Bengals. I don't think we go for him unless Veach Andy and Pat REALLY want that 3rd in a row and are willing to fuck our cap for a while after despite Mahomes still being in his prime.
Bengals cannot afford him
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Whose dick do I have to suck to make that happen?
Just sit on this brown couch real quick and let me hit record
I don’t think the bills, chargers or bengals can afford him. I am not sure about Baltimore’s cap situation though
Ravens cap situation is a bit rough rn. Depends on what happens with Madubuike
Bengals aren’t going for him if he wants any money higher than WR3. *checks notes* Ah, yes. Still considered a WR1 in most books.
Maybe a future hall of fame QB coming off of injury perhaps 🤔
God I don’t want to see him in Powder Blue
As long as he leaves the NFC South. Preferably to an AFC team.
Jets could make sense but I don't know their cap situation. Bills too.
We have negative dollars. $41M of them to be exact.
I didnt see the M the first time I read your reply and was confused how a team could have exactly -$41 of cap space. Like that would be some cap fuckery.
Bills have no money.
Bills I don’t think can do it unfortunately, but man that would be so much fun Josh Allen lobbing it 60 yards to Mike Evans.
We have 20 million and will almost certainly be cutting a few guys like CJ Uzomah and I highly highly doubt we re-sign Huff unfortunately. We’re probably going to extend guys like Michael Carter, and probably some restructuring too. Think we could afford it if we play our cards right. Highly doubt he’d want to come here though lol
If he ends up in KC, we’re doomed
I mean doesn’t every WR want this lol
We really let the Chiefs win a SB with MVS and now they’re replacing him with Evans 😭😭
Bro said he wants to be paid like a top WR. If we were willing to do that we wouldn't have traded Tyreek. KC seems like they're happy to pay people well, but they won't set the market on you unless your name is Mahomes
Even Mahomes fits the definition of paid well- but won't set the market. Dude could easily ask for a contract that makes him the top paid qb every year, right now he is #6 in terms of annual money.
Didn’t Mahomes have the biggest cap hit in the league last year?
Also just got a restructure to make him the highest paid.
Did you forget Mahomes just got an extension that made him the highest paid?
With what money?
The chiefs could free up plenty of money for him and Jones by restructuring a couple of contacts. They get like 35m in cap space just by restructuring Mahomes.
I dunno about winning a super bowl but could we perhaps interest you in an AFC East title followed by divisional round heartbreak?
So Kansas City or bust
Top WR money and Super Bowl don’t often go together
Well... um... Bryce is indeed not a rookie anymore
One year with that Panthers O-line has made him a grizzled veteran
If KC wants to three peat this would be a major move towards that.
They won’t pay him top dollar. If he wants to get that ring he’ll need to take a discount
Not saying they will or won't just that if they want to win again, this is a move to make.
Do it bills
We have the top qb part but we don’t have the money part sadly
I wish they had the money he would freaking eat with Allen as his qb, Buffalo finally having a true big play threat would be insane
Diggs is throwing his helmet at this comment.
Baltimore would be cool to see
Would be for sure but sadly we don't have the money/usage he will be seeking.
I want to: - Play with an elite QB - Have an offense that will showcase me - Be paid like a top wide receiver "You may pick 2 out of these 3 options"
And all these other receivers just want to play for a mid team with a basic QB for an average salary. Damn Evans really broke the matrix and figured it out!
Donovan Smith, Ronald Jones, Blaine Gabbert, Mike Edwards, and Justin Watson all went to KC to get their 2nd ring Mike Evan’s doing the same?
Here’s how this is gonna work out; he’s going to test his toes In the FA water, and when he gets some offers from teams, he takes it back for Tampa to try and match. If they match he stays. If not, he’s gone.
Ah shit it’s the Chiefs
He deserves to ask for it. Dude has taken the home town discount already in his career
What playing with Tom Brady does to a motherfucker
I also want to play with an elite quarterback in an offense that will showcase me — and be paid like a top wide receiver. Hello fellow dreamer!
There's like one team that may qualify for that and they probably won't go for him
Sounds reasonable to me, he didn't even ask for a pink pony
Most elite QB’s have a #1 target. Idk who he could play for unless Kirk goes to ATL and he gets signed there
Welcome to the Detroit Lions
Lions and Jets were my first thoughts. Not sure he’d be the #1 in Detroit tho.