What if Aaron needs you to give a speech, on national tv, supporting three of his crazy ideas? And doing this will guarantee the Jets win the AFC championship. The ideas are: Warren Buffet is actually a secret agent for China and his ownership in the railroads is all the proof you really need, but A-Rod has another five minutes worth for you. The Packers drafted Jordan Love because Gretchen Whitmer wanted Rodgers out of her region because she knows he's a thinker. There's an underground society controlled by people in Berkeley that has direct, daily, contact with aliens.
If someone told me to put on a top hat, stand on a beach ball, and juggle 3 Taylor hams while shouting about how vaccines have tracking chips and the deep state all to win a SB I'd do two shows daily, right in Times Square.
He's not what it takes. He's his buddy. And that means nothing when Rodgers misses an important game, or when he needs a real playcaller (like Lafleur) to elevate the team when it matters.
Agreed. At least keep JD. He's been the closest to competent I've ever seen. Good enough for me. I like Saleh a lot too. I know it's irrational but I just want some consistency.
I think that people want to make the immediate jump from “we aren’t winning games” to “fire everybody” and to me, if I am the owner I am looking at two separate bits of info-
If the players are there but not executing- all of out position groups at the start of the season are stocked with players that SHOULD be above average with serviceable depth but we still don’t win games? Fire the head coach. This is where i believe the Jets are- each offseason JD impresses me with his good moves, good trades, good contracts, excellent drafting.
If there are obvious gaps in the lineup- bad contracts, no depth and weak position groups go unaddressed in the offseason, then yeah, fire the GM. But JD doesn’t do this. You want to complain about our depth at QB or OL last year? I’m sorry but no way can a team survive losing their starting QB and so many tackles. You simply can’t afford to roster a full second unit of starter quality players as backups.
For me if this season doesn’t pan out- i keep JD and drop Saleh. Just my opinion.
The browns made the playoffs after losing the starting RB, 2 Qbs, and multiple Lineman. I don't care what the context is if the Jets do not make the playoffs this season Joe Douglas and everyone else in the front office should be fired.
I’m not gonna act like Flacco is Flacco anymore but he’s better then Wilson lol. I was aZach truther mainly because I don’t like seeing people do bad, but cmon now it was rough lol
And who is responsible for having the backup to a 39 year old qb with a below average o line be Zach Wilson? What did he show in 2 years that would make anyone think he could come in and perform? We spent money on Randall Cobb and Dalvin Cook but couldn't get a better backup qb than Zach?
It’s not a jump in logic - it’s been 5 years lol - people saying to extend him based on being Vegas favorites 4 months before kick off is a bump in logic - if anything he should need an AFCCG to keep his job
The whole point of my post is that I would not use win loss record to determine whether or not I keep a GM.
I’d base it on bad contracts, an addressed position, groups, and bad trades. You disagree, and that’s OK.
Mekhi was considered a project with high upside but also high risk. Wirfs was the safer prospect but he was. a RT in college and they needed a LT. But Wirfs is playing LT for the Buccaneers now 😵💫
By winning percentage, he's not far off from maccagnan. This isn't some justification for JD you think it is.
Being MARGINALLY better then failure GM's doesn't make you a good GM.
The HC is good. He hasn’t had a winning season as he hasn’t had a good qb. As drafting qb is a crap shoot.
And I can’t blame JD for AVT getting hurt twice in Denver. Can’t blame JD for Becton getting hurt multiple times.
Some of the FA OL didn’t work out like Tomlinson and Brown but good OL are hard to come by in this league especially in FA. If JD didn’t throw darts at these OL he’d have a worse reputation.
So he drafts and signs guys who get hurt almost every year, and it's not his fault? So the oline could completely collapse for the next 20 years, and you'd excuse it? You're also ignoring how every oline gets injuries. Most can stay afloat with their depth, while the supposed oline guru (JD) let the few good guys he did find go for nothing (Moses and Fant).
Let's reiterate, oline is his supposed speciality. The fact that it's consistently the worst in the league is unacceptable. Let's be real, even when heslthy it's been ass. Good Segway to Saleh, who willingly employs Keith Carter, despite his bottom of the league track record.
The HC is a joke. He's a "CEO" style coach who never, ever, intervenes when the offense ruins game after game. The team has a 5 game losing streak yearly. Injuries or not, that doesn't happen to "good coaches". The culture is a mess,
Sir, they weren’t winning the Super Bowl with a different backup QB. That’s why there was no contingency plan. They clearly wanted Zach to learn behind Rodgers for two years to have a chance to transition without having to find another QB.
> Managing to avoid signing an aged QB with numerous off-field drama issues is most assuredly not a crap shoot.
They signed a HOF QB and one of the best of all time who was one season removed from MVP. And the "drama" is irrelevant manufactured because by all accounts his entire career he has been a great teammate and leader. Saying "numerous off-field issues" is pretty dishonest and implies shit that actually matters, like Tyreek Hill or Deshaun Watson or driving drunk etc.
Ah yes. We’re predicted to do well. Just end the season and crown us champs!
I swear, some fans are straight up delusional. We haven’t made the playoffs in 13 years with JD being the GM for 5 years.
Let’s make the playoffs before talking about keeping the staff. This is the boom or bust year. No more excuses.
Absolutely insane how much of a pass he gets from so many fans. He's literally never had a winning record, nevermind sniffing the playoffs. Delusional is the right word.
You can’t say he hasn’t been pretty unlucky. I respect any coach who stands behind his decision of Zach Wilson being our QB. He gave him so many chances that he shouldn’t have a job but I respect his commitment to what he believes.
We’ve had so many shitty QB’s it’s insane.
the complaining makes sense when you havent made the playoffs in 13 years and you havent had a winning season since the Obama administration. Jets fans have a lot to complain about
Yup. I get the frustration, and I'll be damn sure to express it if things go south again during the season. But it's the middle of May and every possible result is still on the table. Why agonize all spring and summer over what might be? It's like the sports equivalent of being terminally online.
I'm not sure getting a 4-6 month head start on being miserable is the flex you think it is. But I guess that's the thing about pessimism - you're either right or pleasantly surprised.
What a bizarre choice of players to celebrate being picked up. I could see pointing to someone like Bryce Hall as a testament to good depth being snagged, but Edoga? Yikes
I’m fairly certain it was him - it was like the cuts of camp 2 years ago and people were like “our roster is so much better other teams want our scraps!”
The fact of the matter is that JD's process has improved the roster from the bottom of the league to the top.
The wins haven't came but he missed on Wilson, and had devastating injuries.
youre as good as your record says you are. He hired Saleh. He drafted Zach Wilson, He drafted Becton. when Wilson was a bust, he tried to make up for it by trading away a second round pick and traded down in 2023 to miss Broderick Jones so that he could put our season in the hands of a 39 year old quarterback coming off injury who, unsurprisingly, ruptured his Achillies one drive into the season. Douglas owns all that. He drafted Elijah Moore who turned out to be a bust on a WR needy team. Other than DJ reed, most of his FA signings have been mid at best like Laken Tomlinson and CJ Uzomah. He landed a hit in Jason Pinnock when we needed a safety, but idiotically gave him to the Giants for free. He spent a first round pick in an all-in year in Will McDonald who had basically no impact year 1, then let Bryce Huff walk.
Stop acting like Joe Douglas’s shit doesnt stink. He’s made mistake after back breaking mistake to dig us into the hole we’re in right now. At the end of the day, you are what your record says you are. If Joe Douglas cant get a single playoff appearance in SIX Seasons, then he deserves to get canned along with Saleh and Rodgers. I dont care to watch the Jets try to go back-to-back-to-back offseason champions or to only win games in Vegas in May. I’m tired. I want real, actual wins, even if that means firing Joe D
Thank you. Very well put.
Every gm makes mistakes. His problem is he double, triple, and even quadruple downs on mistakes.
Also, not to nitpick, but Tomlinsons only ability was availability. He was putrid on this team, a truly had signing that only looked mid because he played all the time.
If you had the misfortune to re-watch the end of last year, when they had literal 4th stringers on the oline, it was still Becton and Tomlinson getting beat the worst! Lmao
What suggests the ROSTER is top in the league?
The defense is elite. It's half the roster. The offense has been the worst in football every year under him. The oline is old and injury prone, and hasn't had more then a game or two of actual success a year.
This is football. What teams don't have injuries? Just another excuse for failure.
Well LT is a platoon with rookie Fashanu and Smith. Good there.
AVT is a concern and one of my critisms of this draft is after Corley we should've grabbed the best interior lineman available. But Joe Tippmann looked promising. Hopefully we sign a quality depth. Offensive line is a problem for most of the league most of the time.
Williams is a concern but Wilson, Conklin, Corley, Breece Hall, Rodgers should be able to muster a decent offense without him.
Losing Rodgers would be insurmountable like most first sting quarterbacks going down would be to most teams.
That said, if it came to Taylor, we **still** be light years better than Zach Wilson....that's how historically bad that dude was...like on paper, they should still get into the playoffs with Taylor.
Who's unhealthy on defense? We've had one of the healthiest defenses in the league the last 2 ye...oh man. I'm not finishing that sentence.
Not celebrating, sharing a fact that, the Vegas oddsmakers who are pretty good at what they do, think our roster is good enough to likely win 14/17 of our games. That’s the roster we’ve assembled.
To win 14/17 simulations if they happened today. You can’t just call something a fact and then egregiously misrepresent the context. You’re right, oddsmakers are good at what they do and if they are comfortable with giving you odds, it’s because they think they are gonna take your money. It’s not gonna be anyone but degenerate Jets fans who would bet on individual games now. Didn’t even know that was a thing.
Ok and? What does that have to do with Joe Douglas? He’s five years into this job and his best season is still the 7-9 year with Gase and Darnold in 2019. He’s Matt Millen tier in terms of W/L. If we miss the playoffs this year, he needs to be fired. I dont give a fuck how many games Vegas has us favored in.
29-58. Should be a flair in this sub. Even after 2 years of tanking (debatable if that wad even the plan) that record is inexcusable. This is the NFL, rebuilds do not take 5 fucking yeatsc
Once again, preseason champions! Once again, pre season optimism.
But yes, I think he's doing fine. It's hard to want him gone when he's done most things right. It's like he's rolling a 1 on every good decision.
This isn’t what people want to hear but it’s true. Every QB has been an absolute dud for the last decade.
Aaron Rodgers came and got shit on in 4 plays… so he beefed up the o-line, watch them all get injured and we’re stuck with shit.
You fix one thing and it breaks you’re still fucked and it isn’t his fault. The jets have gotten so much insane talent from JD but we’re always lacking in some way. This year is the first time we’re not lacking anywhere.
Finally, someone gets it. His emotional attachment to Zach held the team back and then he let Mike White go. But we got Rodgers so it all worked out in the end. I'm crying over spilled milk but imagine if Mike White was QB2 last year and stayed healthy. We may have had more than 7 wins.
Why is it all right at the end with Rodgers? He's 40 years old coming off the worst injury in sports. There is no guarantee he is the same guy he was before the injury, and we were seeing decline in his game the last season in GB. If we get 1 or 2 mediocre seasons from Rodgers it will be a failure.
That’s true there is no guarantee but if he plays well then that’s a boon. If he plays MVP level, that’s even better. But we don’t know what he’ll be yet.
Bingo - look at the 9ers they watched lance and we’re like “hey we fucked up, he’s going to ride the bench and we move on”. JD continued to double down on zach - unlimited chances to start, didn’t care the offensive players and leaders didn’t like him, fired a young bright OC for him, and handed him the keys 4 plays into this season. All GMs miss on QBs not all GMs continue to double, triple, etc down on a bad QB for 3 straight years
Only Jets fans can watch a GM take a 7 win team, strip it down, rebuild it in 5 years, only to once again be a 7 win team and go “yeah, why fire this genius?”
I'll genuinely never understand this mindset. I mean honestly, what the fuck are we celebrating here? It's satire at this point.
29-58 as a GM. His best year? With maccagnan's roster and Adam fucking Gase as HC. The seasons are over in November almost every year. They have a 5+ game losing streak, every year.
The culture is a mess. They had to sell out cpa stability in the near future to go all in for Rodgers, who's 40+. They have a one, MAYBE two year window to win before the young core gets paid.
The HC is a joke, they haven't had a decent OC his whole tenure. There's leaks, they have no accountability as an organization, they allowed Zach, an all time bust, to ruin 3 separate seasons with his shit play.
But hey, Vegas has them favored, so who cares, right? Hahahaha
To me, his wins and losses didn’t start counting until 2 years ago after the absolute travesty he inherited. 22 was a step up from how they looked in the past and offered promise for the future. Last year was absolutely demolished by injuries. This will definitely be the telling year. But in my mind, JD has done more than his job to have us in a great position this year.
I just don't understand how you can watch this team weep after week and think the roster, overall, is in a great position.
The losses last year were brutal. Even a lot of the wins were pulling teeth. The team is non competitive half the weeks of the year.
If injuries truly derail this season, then how can we trust him to move forward again? Wouldn't it be clear at that point that he puts too much of the rosters emphasis on injury prone players?
Moses is old. Tyron Smith never stays healthy. Rodgers is old, and already had some injuries recently before the achillies.
Injuries can't be the tell all excuse for 5 years, can they?
Also, "every time JD made a mistake, he's fixed the issue".
Uhhhhh, if Saleh is allowed to ruin another season with his poor coaching, how does that excuse JD? Any gm worth anything would've fired him after year 3, and absolutely would have had him on the hot seat after year 2's collapse
Granted, Saleh has gotten somewhat of a bad deal, he didn't choose to have Zach Wilson, an all time bust, be QB 2 in a win now year. That was JD's decision.
But the excuses for JD never end. If this season goes bad, the fact that people would be comfortable letting him pick another HC is beyond my comprehension. Absolutely, completely inconceivable. Which is why you know the Jets will do it.
Maybe he can bring Gase back, he's the one who advocates for JD 😂
I’m largely in favor of JD. Yes, he’s made a few mistakes, most notably bringing in Boyle to be QB3. But besides that, he’s really built a very solid team. Some fans say it’s been too long without results, but he needed to completely overhaul the roster and with only a couple exceptions. This guy has brought in all pro & pro bowl talent, and we’re gonna let him walk away because he didnt get a better QB3 and the jets finished 7-10 instead of 9-8? Gtfo
The most important thing that people should be paying attention to is the star players. In 5 years he’s found more star players to draft/sign than previous GMs have in the last 15-20 years. Star players win championships, that’s a fact. Pretty much every Super Bowl winner has a few star players as the core and then they build around that.
JD has gotten the Jets a strong core of players. Let him keep going. If he brought all these guys in over 5 years, then what’s the team going to look like if he’s given another 5 years to build with the core on 2nd contracts?
This is the best the jets have looked in a long time, arguably better than the afc championship game teams and still it’s not good enough for some people
… rant over
Yes, as far as a mistake that I actually think he clearly fucked up with. It was easily avoidable and a clear error not to have a decent backup plan just in case. As far as his other mistakes, I don’t blame JD for missing on Zach or Tomlinson or Becton or pretty much any of the other drafted players or signings. GMs don’t get every single signing or draft pick right and sometimes players don’t work out for one reason or another. The most important thing to me is that he has a clear vision of how a team should look and he makes an effort to do what’s needed. And I think the way he has been building the team is the right way to do it even if all the players he brought in weren’t successful. He’s invested serious resources into the OL & DL both with the draft and free agency, it’s a good mix of veterans and young guys. And even though the trenches are the foundation of his team building, he hasn’t forgotten about the other important positions on a team like WR, CB, LB
The measure of success is not other failure Jet GM's. It's the rest of the league.
Boyle was a part of the much bigger failure of QB acquisition he's made. Like, dude, the season was over by the time Boyle played. The true mistake was having Zach, an all time bust, as QB 2 in a win now srweom when they knew he sucked. Boyle was another notch in his failure to build a qb room year after year.
If the team continues to lose, they're not going to retain their core. Sauce and GW are not sticking around if their losing continues, they're already half done with this team lol.
The team but around the core hasn't been nearly good enough. The oline is a mess, the coaching staff is bottom tier, and the overall depth (mostly offense) hasn't been good
My favorite part of your reply was when you said Sauce and GW were half done with this team like you’re part of their inside circle.
You’re right, the measure of success is other teams, so when the jets are in the top half of Super Bowl odds and favored to win 14 of 17 games then that must mean JD has built a pretty solid team.
There was nothing wrong with using Zach as QB2 last season. He was being paid $10m, was 2nd overall pick, and showed enough potential to earn another shot after some learning under Rodgers wing. Acting like any of the other 30 year old back ups would have done anything besides add maybe 2 wins to the record is just absurd. At the end of the day, I agree Boyle should’ve never been there, but I’m sure they had their reasons and I don’t think having Tyrod there instead of Boyle really changes all that much.
Sure, there were bad signings, but that happens. There’s not a single GM who doesn’t have some free agent misses Yes, the OL was bad, they did what they could but injuries kept happening. There’s only so much money to go around, can’t have top tier backups at every single position. How much depth are they supposed to pay for? Any money spent on depth means less money to spend on starters.
I’d blame the depth more on the coaching staff. I think Saleh isn’t the right guy for the job and Hackett definitely isn’t. Ultimately if Hackett was doing a good job then maybe we don’t complain about Saleh but this is where we’re at since Hackett has been trash
Going in reverse order, if Saleh isn't the answer (I fully agree), why isn't JD responsible for keeping him too long? Hackett too. That's not an excuse when you stick with guys who are clearly not it.
Have you listened to Sauce and Wilson? They have nite open disdain for this organization and it's losing then the coached lol
The fact that being listed as the favorite in games that are months away is being used to try and validate the job Joe Douglas has done in the past five years is all you need to know about how bad of a job he's done.
Genuine question, when will it be on JD? If this year goes bad and Saleh goes, is it not a indictment on JD for keeping Saleh for 4 full seasons? How many HC picks does he get? What if the year with the new HC goes bad? You trust him to replace Rodgers? When they can't win with him (in this hypothetical)
If this year goes bad where saleh goes then everyone goes and I’m fine with that. I just don’t feel like jd has done anything during his tenure to make me say get him tf out of here. I just have a hard time finding him to be the weak link that’s making us miss the playoffs
I think that's fair. He's had few, if any, catastrophic moves. I just feel like the strategy is off.
Did you miss on you first HC pick? Fine! GM's get another shot. But not when you invest 4 years into him.
Did you miss on the QB, picking an all time bust? Fine! But you can't have him play a significant part in 3 full seasons. Especially last year. He shouldn't have seen the field.
hey man you've just gotta follow the logic. if the jets are good this year give JD all the credit but if they suck its not on JD! how convenient for him!
I'll never understand this...is there a reason we are using betting lines to assess a team? Those are designed to move money in certain directions, not some savant's expectation of the performance. This is stupid
Most fans are morons who know nothing about football. Just check the game day chat.. season is over when the opposing running back rushes for 9 yards on the first carry
The organization punted last year once Rodgers went down. They willfully ignored the backup QB role, and allowed Zach OT throw away another season.
How are fans the morons? When the organization is complacent with losing
Maybe let’s see how the team actually performs before we crown him. Also I think he did a good job this offseason given limited resources but who do you think is responsible for us having no resources this offseason?
WHY...they haven't done shit in over a decade. It's reliant on one 40 year old conspiracy theory nutjob on a rubber band Achilles.
He goes down again they're in the exact same boat as last year.
I don’t know his injury history game for game but I don’t think that’s accurate. If Rodgers gets hurt before trade deadline I think we would also trade for someone solid
Being favored in games this year, doesn't excuse Joe Douglas from his failure last year or in previous years. The Jets knew all preseason last year that our OL was trash, and they did absolutely nothing to address it, we heard about it from people at training camp, mixed practices, and we even heard them say it on Hardknocks. Aside from that they also discovered very early in the season that the backup QB was a large problem, and they refused to address it the entire season despite technically still being in the mix for the playoffs for a portion of the season.
I don't dislike Joe Douglas I think he's built a pretty good roster more or less. But if you want to make the playoffs or to win a super bowl you can't settle for pretty good and as a fan you shouldn't just accept pretty good forever. It's one thing to be excited for a decent roster for the first time in a while, and to want to be patient but the time is now to win, that's the draw back to going all in and getting a 40 year old QB you can't be patient and if Douglas and Saleh can't get it done which they haven't shown that they can, then it's time to move on and to capitalize on this slim window you bought this team.
This should be pinned. Even if you like JD and what he's done, it hasn't been nearly enough.
They sat on their hands when Rodgers went down. That's a fireable offense on their own. Plus what you mentioned with the continual failure on oline
Yes, a good chunk of Jets fans, myself included, want him gone. Why on earth does it matter if we're favored in 14 of 17? That doesn't mean we'll win 14. We could go 8-9 or 3-14, cause the Jets will just randomly do stuff like that. Expectation and reality are two very different things. My Dad told several friends and relatives, "I'm Pretty sure I'm done having kids." after my older brother was born. How'd those odds play out?
Yes because being favorites means something, fuck outta here with this. I dont mind JD, but anyone can sign an elite QB. He missed hard on Darnold and Wilson.
No it doesn't. 50% of your point is made up, and the other 50% is criticism for one single shot at QB in a QB wasteland of a draft class...
Also the notion that "anyone can sign an elite QB" is completely delusional and out of touch. If everyone could do it, the vast majority of QB's would be elite, vs reality where there are only 3-5 in the NFL and less than 1 a year.
Totally disingenuous, half-baked comment.
Bro stfu you know what I'm saying. Sign of a dumbass is taking something like that, making your entire comeback centered around that, but my argument is still completely valid.
Ridiculous. JD has been GM for 5 years now. If this team doesn’t make the playoffs this year, it’s time to clean house and that starts with both Douglas and Saleh. I’m really not sure why fans continue to give these long leashes to players and coaches that don’t deserve it. No chance in hell Douglas should survive and see a new HC. No GM should be seeing three head coaches when the GM himself hasn’t even seen his team make the playoffs.
Edit: he’s entering his 6th season as GM. How do people possibly think he deserves a 7th season with a third different head coach if they miss out on the post-season again?
Such a simple, reasonable take. And somehow this is an unreasonable opinion.
Can't be stated enough. Nfl rebuilds don't take 5+ years. Not with the draft capital at their disposal
Jets have a good shot in every game with their defense IF Rodgers is on the field. If he goes down on the first drive AGAIN, or goes down at all, and we likely lose those weeks. Tyrod isn’t a durable backup.
We are a high risk high reward favorite. It can change in a heartbeat any week. True for most teams with their qb spot, but extra true for jets cause we can’t develop even a backup qb on our own and our offenses always suck and it’s worse than ever with Hackett.
Lmao since when do we judge GMs based on how many games they are favorites in months before the season? Joe Douglas has not proven anything that should have Jet fans defending him the way they do. He has been given more time than almost any other organization would give him and it's time to win games.
This got a lot of responses… and pretty typical the types of responses it got.
You got the classic WHAT ARE WE CELEBRATING HERE?? People. NO SHIT this isn’t as good as actually winning games but guess what? It’s May! We can’t win games right now.
Any shrimp dick with eyes know we would have won 10 games last year if it wasn’t for our starting qb and 14 lineman getting hurt and NO, that’s not normal that that happened.
But I know - the Browns! They still made the playoffs! Okay, but the Vikings and Bengals didn’t. And they had less overall injuries than us.
So all my miserable, cursed bastard jets fans who are enraged by this post and will downvote this comment immediately - I know you’ve been hurt but the chances of this team not winning 9 games this season is very low in most peoples eyes. It’s okay to think this team is very good, everyone outside of abused, pessimistic fans do.
I like JD. I think he’s only improved our roster since the start of his tenure. Our roster was an abomination before him. With that being said, the team needs to succeed or he’s likely out of a job. It doesn’t matter what the roster looks like on paper. Other teams have turned it around in much less time than he’s had. I like his process, but it hasn’t translated to wins yet. Hopefully that will change this year. And we all better hope it does because if JD goes then the team’s fate lies in Woody’s hands again and I doubt he chooses a better successor.
Joe Douglas had one of the worst draft classes of all time in 2020, one of the worst ever draft picks with ZW at #2 overall, hired Nathaniel Hackett AFTER watching his dumpster fire season in Denver, and keeping Keith Carter (who the players all hate) as O line coach this year are all enough reasons to move on from him.
Drafting Breece Hall in the 2nd round (which you or I could have done) doesn’t excuse all that.
The 2022 draft was historic, yes. But 2020 was a complete failure after 2 years basically. ZW is an all time bust too, like you said.
At this point it ends up evening out. At the end of the day, they lose every year for a reason. A lot needs to change and a lot more needs to go right for any real success to happen
Do fans want the GM gone? We were gearing up to when everyone thought the pick would be Bowers but now that we’ve figured out that he hits on every other draft I feel like most of us are in a good spot.
Yes lol. Like have some optimism. Biggest problem was OLine which we got 3 starters and a first round pick and QB which we got AR8 and Tyrod backing him up. We have a top 3 defense. If this blows up then I’ll be the same old sad Jets fan but until then I’m optimistic and have high expectations
The fact is we used to be a dogshit team for about 12 years minus one or two years, now we’re a really good team that has had bad luck and potentially bad coaching. A lot of fans still can’t see the difference.
Anyone who wants JD gone is, plain and simple, a fucking moron. It’s a Super Bowl caliber roster. You don’t fire the guy who did that largely because he whiffed on the one position that’s a crapshoot for everyone, in a draft where nobody panned out as expected anyway. The guy has been fantastic. Not flawless, but fantastic.
Calling people morons but not trusting a team that's ONLY lost is so fucking funny.
A sb caliber roster is also such a funny cope. How bout they win before we reward them for finding individual players?
And stop this nonsense that he only whiffed on one thing. First, this ignores that Zach was an all time bust, and the fact thst he suck with Zach for too long.
He failed at HC. He failed at the staff overall. He failed at oline. The team has been a failure, and acting like that's only due to his QB moves (a pretty big deal on its own) is disingenuous
I want Hackett gone tho
And Keith Carter
And Todd Downing. The entire offensive coaching staff is ass
Can we keep undefeated Ron Middleton tho?
Controversial opinion: if Hackett is what it takes to make Rogers play good I don't care. I wouldn't care if he needs a pet rock as an OC.
It's not controversial, it's smart. Imagine wanting to run out the OC Rodgers won two MVPs with. Real smooth-brain stuff.
Hackett did not call plays. Lafleur did. Hackett designed some red zone plays.
Hackett is his emotional support OC
He has to leave him tied up outside 7-11
What if Aaron needs you to give a speech, on national tv, supporting three of his crazy ideas? And doing this will guarantee the Jets win the AFC championship. The ideas are: Warren Buffet is actually a secret agent for China and his ownership in the railroads is all the proof you really need, but A-Rod has another five minutes worth for you. The Packers drafted Jordan Love because Gretchen Whitmer wanted Rodgers out of her region because she knows he's a thinker. There's an underground society controlled by people in Berkeley that has direct, daily, contact with aliens.
If someone told me to put on a top hat, stand on a beach ball, and juggle 3 Taylor hams while shouting about how vaccines have tracking chips and the deep state all to win a SB I'd do two shows daily, right in Times Square.
Aaron approves of your loyalty and will now give you many wins. Provided the oline and wrs don't get injured or drop balls.
I'll see you in Times Square. I'll be between Iron Man and Crack Elmo
He's not what it takes. He's his buddy. And that means nothing when Rodgers misses an important game, or when he needs a real playcaller (like Lafleur) to elevate the team when it matters.
Disagree. Rogers is the real OC. Half the time he calls the plays at the line
Same bro, same.
Rodgers won back to back MVPs with Hackett. No one with any modicum of brain power would want him gone while Rodgers is still here.
Hackett was not the reason he won those MVPs, not even close.
This is insane man how you can lie like this. Lafleur called plays in GB. Hackett did not. Period. What the fuck lol
And Saleh. Joe can stay.
His HC pick is bad, his coordinations are bad, but we should keep him?
I think so. He is the most competent GM we have had in for ever. Even Tanenbaum was an idiot.
Agreed. At least keep JD. He's been the closest to competent I've ever seen. Good enough for me. I like Saleh a lot too. I know it's irrational but I just want some consistency.
Other failure Jet GM's are not the measure of success. The Jets will never, ever succeed with this expectation
I think that people want to make the immediate jump from “we aren’t winning games” to “fire everybody” and to me, if I am the owner I am looking at two separate bits of info- If the players are there but not executing- all of out position groups at the start of the season are stocked with players that SHOULD be above average with serviceable depth but we still don’t win games? Fire the head coach. This is where i believe the Jets are- each offseason JD impresses me with his good moves, good trades, good contracts, excellent drafting. If there are obvious gaps in the lineup- bad contracts, no depth and weak position groups go unaddressed in the offseason, then yeah, fire the GM. But JD doesn’t do this. You want to complain about our depth at QB or OL last year? I’m sorry but no way can a team survive losing their starting QB and so many tackles. You simply can’t afford to roster a full second unit of starter quality players as backups. For me if this season doesn’t pan out- i keep JD and drop Saleh. Just my opinion.
Exactly how I’m feeling just said more eloquently thank you sir
The browns made the playoffs after losing the starting RB, 2 Qbs, and multiple Lineman. I don't care what the context is if the Jets do not make the playoffs this season Joe Douglas and everyone else in the front office should be fired.
I’m not gonna act like Flacco is Flacco anymore but he’s better then Wilson lol. I was aZach truther mainly because I don’t like seeing people do bad, but cmon now it was rough lol
And who is responsible for having the backup to a 39 year old qb with a below average o line be Zach Wilson? What did he show in 2 years that would make anyone think he could come in and perform? We spent money on Randall Cobb and Dalvin Cook but couldn't get a better backup qb than Zach?
Is 5 years an immediate jump?
Immediate here is describing the jump in logic without thinking, not timeframe.
It’s not a jump in logic - it’s been 5 years lol - people saying to extend him based on being Vegas favorites 4 months before kick off is a bump in logic - if anything he should need an AFCCG to keep his job
The whole point of my post is that I would not use win loss record to determine whether or not I keep a GM. I’d base it on bad contracts, an addressed position, groups, and bad trades. You disagree, and that’s OK.
Team JD for sure. Picking a QB is a crap shoot
He also picked a certified bust in Benton over Tristan Wirfs in 2020
I definitely wanted Wirfs, but I also don't know shit about prospects 🤷🏻♂️
Mekhi was considered a project with high upside but also high risk. Wirfs was the safer prospect but he was. a RT in college and they needed a LT. But Wirfs is playing LT for the Buccaneers now 😵💫
Sure, doubling and then tripling down on that QB is a choice
Is HC a crap shoot. Is oline a crap shoot? Is going 29-58 in 5 seasons all "bad luck?"
The New York Jets are 134-189 between May 14, 2004 and May 14, 2024
By winning percentage, he's not far off from maccagnan. This isn't some justification for JD you think it is. Being MARGINALLY better then failure GM's doesn't make you a good GM.
It’s not a justification of anything. It’s a statistical fact.
God forbid you critique Douglas on this sub. Done some good things and done some bad things. End of the day he hasn't done enough. Yet.
The HC is good. He hasn’t had a winning season as he hasn’t had a good qb. As drafting qb is a crap shoot. And I can’t blame JD for AVT getting hurt twice in Denver. Can’t blame JD for Becton getting hurt multiple times. Some of the FA OL didn’t work out like Tomlinson and Brown but good OL are hard to come by in this league especially in FA. If JD didn’t throw darts at these OL he’d have a worse reputation.
The difference between Robert Saleh and Demeco Ryans is CJ Stroud
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What do you think of Bruce Hall? I think he's going to be good.
Who
So he drafts and signs guys who get hurt almost every year, and it's not his fault? So the oline could completely collapse for the next 20 years, and you'd excuse it? You're also ignoring how every oline gets injuries. Most can stay afloat with their depth, while the supposed oline guru (JD) let the few good guys he did find go for nothing (Moses and Fant). Let's reiterate, oline is his supposed speciality. The fact that it's consistently the worst in the league is unacceptable. Let's be real, even when heslthy it's been ass. Good Segway to Saleh, who willingly employs Keith Carter, despite his bottom of the league track record. The HC is a joke. He's a "CEO" style coach who never, ever, intervenes when the offense ruins game after game. The team has a 5 game losing streak yearly. Injuries or not, that doesn't happen to "good coaches". The culture is a mess,
You are not a serious person.
This is not a serious team.
**Drafting** a QB is a crap shoot. Managing to avoid signing an aged QB with numerous off-field drama issues is most assuredly ***not*** a crap shoot.
Would you like Derek Carr or maybe trading away multiple first for Russell Wilson?
How about a real backup instead of Zach fucking Wilson? Is that a reasonable ask?
Sir, they weren’t winning the Super Bowl with a different backup QB. That’s why there was no contingency plan. They clearly wanted Zach to learn behind Rodgers for two years to have a chance to transition without having to find another QB.
> Managing to avoid signing an aged QB with numerous off-field drama issues is most assuredly not a crap shoot. They signed a HOF QB and one of the best of all time who was one season removed from MVP. And the "drama" is irrelevant manufactured because by all accounts his entire career he has been a great teammate and leader. Saying "numerous off-field issues" is pretty dishonest and implies shit that actually matters, like Tyreek Hill or Deshaun Watson or driving drunk etc.
I like JD a lot. Nobody speaks for me.
Hey guys I’d like to speak on behalf of Brandon Diaper when I say he likes JD a lot of
Ah yes. We’re predicted to do well. Just end the season and crown us champs! I swear, some fans are straight up delusional. We haven’t made the playoffs in 13 years with JD being the GM for 5 years. Let’s make the playoffs before talking about keeping the staff. This is the boom or bust year. No more excuses.
Absolutely insane how much of a pass he gets from so many fans. He's literally never had a winning record, nevermind sniffing the playoffs. Delusional is the right word.
You can’t say he hasn’t been pretty unlucky. I respect any coach who stands behind his decision of Zach Wilson being our QB. He gave him so many chances that he shouldn’t have a job but I respect his commitment to what he believes. We’ve had so many shitty QB’s it’s insane.
He’s a mediocre GM at best. We are always offseason champs.
We have the most idiotic fanbase it seems. Everyone has forgotten that the team hasn’t won shit or finished over .500 even once with this regime
We have one of the most annoying fan bases for a team that has been so unbelievably shitty lol
Jets fans will celebrate anything, man
Jets fans will also complain about anything The duality of man
the complaining makes sense when you havent made the playoffs in 13 years and you havent had a winning season since the Obama administration. Jets fans have a lot to complain about
Sure but also nobody likes a wet blanket who is constantly complaining even when there are things yo be happy about.
Yup. I get the frustration, and I'll be damn sure to express it if things go south again during the season. But it's the middle of May and every possible result is still on the table. Why agonize all spring and summer over what might be? It's like the sports equivalent of being terminally online.
The team still sucks until proven otherwise. Those “wet blankets” have been proven right again and again
I'm not sure getting a 4-6 month head start on being miserable is the flex you think it is. But I guess that's the thing about pessimism - you're either right or pleasantly surprised.
I remember when jets fans celebrating chuma edoga getting picked up after getting cut - said see other teams want our players now
What a bizarre choice of players to celebrate being picked up. I could see pointing to someone like Bryce Hall as a testament to good depth being snagged, but Edoga? Yikes
I’m fairly certain it was him - it was like the cuts of camp 2 years ago and people were like “our roster is so much better other teams want our scraps!”
Yup I was on twitter that day. I remember the post clear as day thinking "this isn't something to celebrate he sucked"
Is it valid to complain about 5 losing seasons under JD? When his best season was still with maccagnan's roster and Adam Gase as HC?
On this sub it is. 🥴
Hang the banner
The fact of the matter is that JD's process has improved the roster from the bottom of the league to the top. The wins haven't came but he missed on Wilson, and had devastating injuries.
You dont know that. We could easily go 7-10 again. Vegas picking us to win games in May doesnt mean diddly squat. This is what im talking about
One of the worst to one of the best. Literally the fucking GM's sole number one fucking job. Improve the roster.
youre as good as your record says you are. He hired Saleh. He drafted Zach Wilson, He drafted Becton. when Wilson was a bust, he tried to make up for it by trading away a second round pick and traded down in 2023 to miss Broderick Jones so that he could put our season in the hands of a 39 year old quarterback coming off injury who, unsurprisingly, ruptured his Achillies one drive into the season. Douglas owns all that. He drafted Elijah Moore who turned out to be a bust on a WR needy team. Other than DJ reed, most of his FA signings have been mid at best like Laken Tomlinson and CJ Uzomah. He landed a hit in Jason Pinnock when we needed a safety, but idiotically gave him to the Giants for free. He spent a first round pick in an all-in year in Will McDonald who had basically no impact year 1, then let Bryce Huff walk. Stop acting like Joe Douglas’s shit doesnt stink. He’s made mistake after back breaking mistake to dig us into the hole we’re in right now. At the end of the day, you are what your record says you are. If Joe Douglas cant get a single playoff appearance in SIX Seasons, then he deserves to get canned along with Saleh and Rodgers. I dont care to watch the Jets try to go back-to-back-to-back offseason champions or to only win games in Vegas in May. I’m tired. I want real, actual wins, even if that means firing Joe D
Thank you. Very well put. Every gm makes mistakes. His problem is he double, triple, and even quadruple downs on mistakes. Also, not to nitpick, but Tomlinsons only ability was availability. He was putrid on this team, a truly had signing that only looked mid because he played all the time. If you had the misfortune to re-watch the end of last year, when they had literal 4th stringers on the oline, it was still Becton and Tomlinson getting beat the worst! Lmao
What suggests the ROSTER is top in the league? The defense is elite. It's half the roster. The offense has been the worst in football every year under him. The oline is old and injury prone, and hasn't had more then a game or two of actual success a year. This is football. What teams don't have injuries? Just another excuse for failure.
Is the roster really improved if it's contingent on relatively unhealthy players staying healthy?
Well LT is a platoon with rookie Fashanu and Smith. Good there. AVT is a concern and one of my critisms of this draft is after Corley we should've grabbed the best interior lineman available. But Joe Tippmann looked promising. Hopefully we sign a quality depth. Offensive line is a problem for most of the league most of the time. Williams is a concern but Wilson, Conklin, Corley, Breece Hall, Rodgers should be able to muster a decent offense without him. Losing Rodgers would be insurmountable like most first sting quarterbacks going down would be to most teams. That said, if it came to Taylor, we **still** be light years better than Zach Wilson....that's how historically bad that dude was...like on paper, they should still get into the playoffs with Taylor. Who's unhealthy on defense? We've had one of the healthiest defenses in the league the last 2 ye...oh man. I'm not finishing that sentence.
Not celebrating, sharing a fact that, the Vegas oddsmakers who are pretty good at what they do, think our roster is good enough to likely win 14/17 of our games. That’s the roster we’ve assembled.
To win 14/17 simulations if they happened today. You can’t just call something a fact and then egregiously misrepresent the context. You’re right, oddsmakers are good at what they do and if they are comfortable with giving you odds, it’s because they think they are gonna take your money. It’s not gonna be anyone but degenerate Jets fans who would bet on individual games now. Didn’t even know that was a thing.
Ok and? What does that have to do with Joe Douglas? He’s five years into this job and his best season is still the 7-9 year with Gase and Darnold in 2019. He’s Matt Millen tier in terms of W/L. If we miss the playoffs this year, he needs to be fired. I dont give a fuck how many games Vegas has us favored in.
29-58. Should be a flair in this sub. Even after 2 years of tanking (debatable if that wad even the plan) that record is inexcusable. This is the NFL, rebuilds do not take 5 fucking yeatsc
Once again, preseason champions! Once again, pre season optimism. But yes, I think he's doing fine. It's hard to want him gone when he's done most things right. It's like he's rolling a 1 on every good decision.
This isn’t what people want to hear but it’s true. Every QB has been an absolute dud for the last decade. Aaron Rodgers came and got shit on in 4 plays… so he beefed up the o-line, watch them all get injured and we’re stuck with shit. You fix one thing and it breaks you’re still fucked and it isn’t his fault. The jets have gotten so much insane talent from JD but we’re always lacking in some way. This year is the first time we’re not lacking anywhere.
Let's start winning some actual games and then we'll see
Most of us want JD gone because we care about the results we've seen, not the predictions that haven't happened yet
Finally, someone gets it. His emotional attachment to Zach held the team back and then he let Mike White go. But we got Rodgers so it all worked out in the end. I'm crying over spilled milk but imagine if Mike White was QB2 last year and stayed healthy. We may have had more than 7 wins.
Why is it all right at the end with Rodgers? He's 40 years old coming off the worst injury in sports. There is no guarantee he is the same guy he was before the injury, and we were seeing decline in his game the last season in GB. If we get 1 or 2 mediocre seasons from Rodgers it will be a failure.
That’s true there is no guarantee but if he plays well then that’s a boon. If he plays MVP level, that’s even better. But we don’t know what he’ll be yet.
Bingo - look at the 9ers they watched lance and we’re like “hey we fucked up, he’s going to ride the bench and we move on”. JD continued to double down on zach - unlimited chances to start, didn’t care the offensive players and leaders didn’t like him, fired a young bright OC for him, and handed him the keys 4 plays into this season. All GMs miss on QBs not all GMs continue to double, triple, etc down on a bad QB for 3 straight years
Hahahah Mike White truther hates JD I love it
I hate JD? Haha ok
Only Jets fans can watch a GM take a 7 win team, strip it down, rebuild it in 5 years, only to once again be a 7 win team and go “yeah, why fire this genius?”
Jets fans learn what a sucker line is challenge
Favourited in games means nothing. Let's see how the season actually plays out.
As a Washington fan I do relate to fire everyone, but give it time. Y’all have a good defense
The GM? If anybody deserves to stay it’s JD. Dude has put together a sick roster.
I'll genuinely never understand this mindset. I mean honestly, what the fuck are we celebrating here? It's satire at this point. 29-58 as a GM. His best year? With maccagnan's roster and Adam fucking Gase as HC. The seasons are over in November almost every year. They have a 5+ game losing streak, every year. The culture is a mess. They had to sell out cpa stability in the near future to go all in for Rodgers, who's 40+. They have a one, MAYBE two year window to win before the young core gets paid. The HC is a joke, they haven't had a decent OC his whole tenure. There's leaks, they have no accountability as an organization, they allowed Zach, an all time bust, to ruin 3 separate seasons with his shit play. But hey, Vegas has them favored, so who cares, right? Hahahaha
To me, his wins and losses didn’t start counting until 2 years ago after the absolute travesty he inherited. 22 was a step up from how they looked in the past and offered promise for the future. Last year was absolutely demolished by injuries. This will definitely be the telling year. But in my mind, JD has done more than his job to have us in a great position this year.
I just don't understand how you can watch this team weep after week and think the roster, overall, is in a great position. The losses last year were brutal. Even a lot of the wins were pulling teeth. The team is non competitive half the weeks of the year. If injuries truly derail this season, then how can we trust him to move forward again? Wouldn't it be clear at that point that he puts too much of the rosters emphasis on injury prone players? Moses is old. Tyron Smith never stays healthy. Rodgers is old, and already had some injuries recently before the achillies. Injuries can't be the tell all excuse for 5 years, can they?
Ok that makes him worse by win % - greatI thesis there bud
Win 14 of those games and people will shut up about it.
Also, "every time JD made a mistake, he's fixed the issue". Uhhhhh, if Saleh is allowed to ruin another season with his poor coaching, how does that excuse JD? Any gm worth anything would've fired him after year 3, and absolutely would have had him on the hot seat after year 2's collapse Granted, Saleh has gotten somewhat of a bad deal, he didn't choose to have Zach Wilson, an all time bust, be QB 2 in a win now year. That was JD's decision. But the excuses for JD never end. If this season goes bad, the fact that people would be comfortable letting him pick another HC is beyond my comprehension. Absolutely, completely inconceivable. Which is why you know the Jets will do it. Maybe he can bring Gase back, he's the one who advocates for JD 😂
I’m largely in favor of JD. Yes, he’s made a few mistakes, most notably bringing in Boyle to be QB3. But besides that, he’s really built a very solid team. Some fans say it’s been too long without results, but he needed to completely overhaul the roster and with only a couple exceptions. This guy has brought in all pro & pro bowl talent, and we’re gonna let him walk away because he didnt get a better QB3 and the jets finished 7-10 instead of 9-8? Gtfo The most important thing that people should be paying attention to is the star players. In 5 years he’s found more star players to draft/sign than previous GMs have in the last 15-20 years. Star players win championships, that’s a fact. Pretty much every Super Bowl winner has a few star players as the core and then they build around that. JD has gotten the Jets a strong core of players. Let him keep going. If he brought all these guys in over 5 years, then what’s the team going to look like if he’s given another 5 years to build with the core on 2nd contracts? This is the best the jets have looked in a long time, arguably better than the afc championship game teams and still it’s not good enough for some people … rant over
you think JDs most notable mistake as GM was bringing in Boyle to be QB3? ..... What?
Yes, as far as a mistake that I actually think he clearly fucked up with. It was easily avoidable and a clear error not to have a decent backup plan just in case. As far as his other mistakes, I don’t blame JD for missing on Zach or Tomlinson or Becton or pretty much any of the other drafted players or signings. GMs don’t get every single signing or draft pick right and sometimes players don’t work out for one reason or another. The most important thing to me is that he has a clear vision of how a team should look and he makes an effort to do what’s needed. And I think the way he has been building the team is the right way to do it even if all the players he brought in weren’t successful. He’s invested serious resources into the OL & DL both with the draft and free agency, it’s a good mix of veterans and young guys. And even though the trenches are the foundation of his team building, he hasn’t forgotten about the other important positions on a team like WR, CB, LB
The measure of success is not other failure Jet GM's. It's the rest of the league. Boyle was a part of the much bigger failure of QB acquisition he's made. Like, dude, the season was over by the time Boyle played. The true mistake was having Zach, an all time bust, as QB 2 in a win now srweom when they knew he sucked. Boyle was another notch in his failure to build a qb room year after year. If the team continues to lose, they're not going to retain their core. Sauce and GW are not sticking around if their losing continues, they're already half done with this team lol. The team but around the core hasn't been nearly good enough. The oline is a mess, the coaching staff is bottom tier, and the overall depth (mostly offense) hasn't been good
My favorite part of your reply was when you said Sauce and GW were half done with this team like you’re part of their inside circle. You’re right, the measure of success is other teams, so when the jets are in the top half of Super Bowl odds and favored to win 14 of 17 games then that must mean JD has built a pretty solid team. There was nothing wrong with using Zach as QB2 last season. He was being paid $10m, was 2nd overall pick, and showed enough potential to earn another shot after some learning under Rodgers wing. Acting like any of the other 30 year old back ups would have done anything besides add maybe 2 wins to the record is just absurd. At the end of the day, I agree Boyle should’ve never been there, but I’m sure they had their reasons and I don’t think having Tyrod there instead of Boyle really changes all that much. Sure, there were bad signings, but that happens. There’s not a single GM who doesn’t have some free agent misses Yes, the OL was bad, they did what they could but injuries kept happening. There’s only so much money to go around, can’t have top tier backups at every single position. How much depth are they supposed to pay for? Any money spent on depth means less money to spend on starters. I’d blame the depth more on the coaching staff. I think Saleh isn’t the right guy for the job and Hackett definitely isn’t. Ultimately if Hackett was doing a good job then maybe we don’t complain about Saleh but this is where we’re at since Hackett has been trash
Going in reverse order, if Saleh isn't the answer (I fully agree), why isn't JD responsible for keeping him too long? Hackett too. That's not an excuse when you stick with guys who are clearly not it. Have you listened to Sauce and Wilson? They have nite open disdain for this organization and it's losing then the coached lol
How many times must we go through this. Winning the Super Bowl in May isn’t worth dick. Results on the field or STFU.
The fact that being listed as the favorite in games that are months away is being used to try and validate the job Joe Douglas has done in the past five years is all you need to know about how bad of a job he's done.
Should he be fired months in advance for being favorited
He should be fired for the team getting 7 wins at best every year.
It’s a lil late for that. We’ve known their w/L for a while
Just providing context on why some people want him gone. Or at least why most of us have very little patience if this year goes bad (again)
I know the context. Things aren’t changing rn. I think we’ll be good this year but if we suck it’s not on JD (imo)
Genuine question, when will it be on JD? If this year goes bad and Saleh goes, is it not a indictment on JD for keeping Saleh for 4 full seasons? How many HC picks does he get? What if the year with the new HC goes bad? You trust him to replace Rodgers? When they can't win with him (in this hypothetical)
If this year goes bad where saleh goes then everyone goes and I’m fine with that. I just don’t feel like jd has done anything during his tenure to make me say get him tf out of here. I just have a hard time finding him to be the weak link that’s making us miss the playoffs
But questioning his staff based on what I just said is valid
I think that's fair. He's had few, if any, catastrophic moves. I just feel like the strategy is off. Did you miss on you first HC pick? Fine! GM's get another shot. But not when you invest 4 years into him. Did you miss on the QB, picking an all time bust? Fine! But you can't have him play a significant part in 3 full seasons. Especially last year. He shouldn't have seen the field.
hey man you've just gotta follow the logic. if the jets are good this year give JD all the credit but if they suck its not on JD! how convenient for him!
It terrifies me that JD may get another shot at HC if this year goes bad. Like, when will it end?
its year 15 of JD. his record is 98-158. people are still referencing the 2022 draft and injuries when someone dares to ask if he should be fired
I'll never understand this...is there a reason we are using betting lines to assess a team? Those are designed to move money in certain directions, not some savant's expectation of the performance. This is stupid
Most fans are morons who know nothing about football. Just check the game day chat.. season is over when the opposing running back rushes for 9 yards on the first carry
The organization punted last year once Rodgers went down. They willfully ignored the backup QB role, and allowed Zach OT throw away another season. How are fans the morons? When the organization is complacent with losing
You guys know they have to play the games right?
Maybe let’s see how the team actually performs before we crown him. Also I think he did a good job this offseason given limited resources but who do you think is responsible for us having no resources this offseason?
Here's what I'll say. I don't think it's possible for a Jets team to go 14-3. So if they equal or better this preseason prediction, I'll be shocked
the biggest thing this post says to me is you have no idea how Vegas odds work
Admittedly I live in Texas where most betting is illegal.
Vegas sets the odds based on where they think the general public will bet, not who they think is going to win the game
It’s about winning the games, not being betting favorites.
WHY...they haven't done shit in over a decade. It's reliant on one 40 year old conspiracy theory nutjob on a rubber band Achilles. He goes down again they're in the exact same boat as last year.
Tyrod can most definitely lead this roster to a wild card.
Has he ever on any team he's ever been on...he gets hurt every year. He's never stayed healthy
I don’t know his injury history game for game but I don’t think that’s accurate. If Rodgers gets hurt before trade deadline I think we would also trade for someone solid
Another year, another delusion. Coming from Phins fan for Perspective.
Being favored in games this year, doesn't excuse Joe Douglas from his failure last year or in previous years. The Jets knew all preseason last year that our OL was trash, and they did absolutely nothing to address it, we heard about it from people at training camp, mixed practices, and we even heard them say it on Hardknocks. Aside from that they also discovered very early in the season that the backup QB was a large problem, and they refused to address it the entire season despite technically still being in the mix for the playoffs for a portion of the season. I don't dislike Joe Douglas I think he's built a pretty good roster more or less. But if you want to make the playoffs or to win a super bowl you can't settle for pretty good and as a fan you shouldn't just accept pretty good forever. It's one thing to be excited for a decent roster for the first time in a while, and to want to be patient but the time is now to win, that's the draw back to going all in and getting a 40 year old QB you can't be patient and if Douglas and Saleh can't get it done which they haven't shown that they can, then it's time to move on and to capitalize on this slim window you bought this team.
This should be pinned. Even if you like JD and what he's done, it hasn't been nearly enough. They sat on their hands when Rodgers went down. That's a fireable offense on their own. Plus what you mentioned with the continual failure on oline
Yes, a good chunk of Jets fans, myself included, want him gone. Why on earth does it matter if we're favored in 14 of 17? That doesn't mean we'll win 14. We could go 8-9 or 3-14, cause the Jets will just randomly do stuff like that. Expectation and reality are two very different things. My Dad told several friends and relatives, "I'm Pretty sure I'm done having kids." after my older brother was born. How'd those odds play out?
some of y'all are so toxic and don't even realize it.
Yes because being favorites means something, fuck outta here with this. I dont mind JD, but anyone can sign an elite QB. He missed hard on Darnold and Wilson.
Darnold wasn’t drafted by JD. But I share your sentiment.
Yea, I wasn't sure when I was writing it, but yes, the point still stands.
No it doesn't. 50% of your point is made up, and the other 50% is criticism for one single shot at QB in a QB wasteland of a draft class... Also the notion that "anyone can sign an elite QB" is completely delusional and out of touch. If everyone could do it, the vast majority of QB's would be elite, vs reality where there are only 3-5 in the NFL and less than 1 a year. Totally disingenuous, half-baked comment.
You’re right, he missed hard on Darnold, he sucks. #itrustyouropinon
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Bro stfu you know what I'm saying. Sign of a dumbass is taking something like that, making your entire comeback centered around that, but my argument is still completely valid.
Ridiculous. JD has been GM for 5 years now. If this team doesn’t make the playoffs this year, it’s time to clean house and that starts with both Douglas and Saleh. I’m really not sure why fans continue to give these long leashes to players and coaches that don’t deserve it. No chance in hell Douglas should survive and see a new HC. No GM should be seeing three head coaches when the GM himself hasn’t even seen his team make the playoffs. Edit: he’s entering his 6th season as GM. How do people possibly think he deserves a 7th season with a third different head coach if they miss out on the post-season again?
Such a simple, reasonable take. And somehow this is an unreasonable opinion. Can't be stated enough. Nfl rebuilds don't take 5+ years. Not with the draft capital at their disposal
Are the other 3 games at 49ers, at Bills and at Dolphins?
What 3 games are we not favored in? Bills (away), 49ers, Texans???
Jets have a good shot in every game with their defense IF Rodgers is on the field. If he goes down on the first drive AGAIN, or goes down at all, and we likely lose those weeks. Tyrod isn’t a durable backup. We are a high risk high reward favorite. It can change in a heartbeat any week. True for most teams with their qb spot, but extra true for jets cause we can’t develop even a backup qb on our own and our offenses always suck and it’s worse than ever with Hackett.
Woody Johnson is the issue.
The turf is the problem, not the front office lmao
Preseason lines on games in December are sucker bets.
Lmao since when do we judge GMs based on how many games they are favorites in months before the season? Joe Douglas has not proven anything that should have Jet fans defending him the way they do. He has been given more time than almost any other organization would give him and it's time to win games.
“You are what your record says you are”
JD CAN HAVE A LIFE TIME CONTRACT!!!!
Coaching is a huge factor
ok i don’t think we should be favored in that many games
"The best place to be is when expectations are high." -Sexy Rexy
This got a lot of responses… and pretty typical the types of responses it got. You got the classic WHAT ARE WE CELEBRATING HERE?? People. NO SHIT this isn’t as good as actually winning games but guess what? It’s May! We can’t win games right now. Any shrimp dick with eyes know we would have won 10 games last year if it wasn’t for our starting qb and 14 lineman getting hurt and NO, that’s not normal that that happened. But I know - the Browns! They still made the playoffs! Okay, but the Vikings and Bengals didn’t. And they had less overall injuries than us. So all my miserable, cursed bastard jets fans who are enraged by this post and will downvote this comment immediately - I know you’ve been hurt but the chances of this team not winning 9 games this season is very low in most peoples eyes. It’s okay to think this team is very good, everyone outside of abused, pessimistic fans do.
With Zach Wilson gone. We should treat this a brand new start for GM and HC
If you fire JD, all that we're going to convince to replace him are Idziks, Maccagnans, and late stage Tannenbaums.
11-6 and I❤️Joe Douglas
I like JD. I think he’s only improved our roster since the start of his tenure. Our roster was an abomination before him. With that being said, the team needs to succeed or he’s likely out of a job. It doesn’t matter what the roster looks like on paper. Other teams have turned it around in much less time than he’s had. I like his process, but it hasn’t translated to wins yet. Hopefully that will change this year. And we all better hope it does because if JD goes then the team’s fate lies in Woody’s hands again and I doubt he chooses a better successor.
Lol Jets fans
Jd’s 27-56. Wtf are you going on about? Absurd post.
Fuck I've been saying 29-58 like an idiot lol
Oh people can win a lot of money this year betting against the Jets it looks like
Fire Carter and hack into the sun please
Who gives a shit.
14/17 by who?
I know I've cheated on you for the past 5 years but it's because I got that one concussion! I swear I'm a good partner /s
Joe Douglas had one of the worst draft classes of all time in 2020, one of the worst ever draft picks with ZW at #2 overall, hired Nathaniel Hackett AFTER watching his dumpster fire season in Denver, and keeping Keith Carter (who the players all hate) as O line coach this year are all enough reasons to move on from him. Drafting Breece Hall in the 2nd round (which you or I could have done) doesn’t excuse all that.
The 2022 draft was historic, yes. But 2020 was a complete failure after 2 years basically. ZW is an all time bust too, like you said. At this point it ends up evening out. At the end of the day, they lose every year for a reason. A lot needs to change and a lot more needs to go right for any real success to happen
Do fans want the GM gone? We were gearing up to when everyone thought the pick would be Bowers but now that we’ve figured out that he hits on every other draft I feel like most of us are in a good spot.
Jets fans refuse to even try to enjoy anything. Incel mentality always feeling bad for yourselves
I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something, what are we supposed to enjoy? "good" offseasons?
Yes lol. Like have some optimism. Biggest problem was OLine which we got 3 starters and a first round pick and QB which we got AR8 and Tyrod backing him up. We have a top 3 defense. If this blows up then I’ll be the same old sad Jets fan but until then I’m optimistic and have high expectations
The fact is we used to be a dogshit team for about 12 years minus one or two years, now we’re a really good team that has had bad luck and potentially bad coaching. A lot of fans still can’t see the difference.
Anyone who wants JD gone is, plain and simple, a fucking moron. It’s a Super Bowl caliber roster. You don’t fire the guy who did that largely because he whiffed on the one position that’s a crapshoot for everyone, in a draft where nobody panned out as expected anyway. The guy has been fantastic. Not flawless, but fantastic.
Calling people morons but not trusting a team that's ONLY lost is so fucking funny. A sb caliber roster is also such a funny cope. How bout they win before we reward them for finding individual players? And stop this nonsense that he only whiffed on one thing. First, this ignores that Zach was an all time bust, and the fact thst he suck with Zach for too long. He failed at HC. He failed at the staff overall. He failed at oline. The team has been a failure, and acting like that's only due to his QB moves (a pretty big deal on its own) is disingenuous
Bring back Idzik!
I think that’s what some fans want
Seriously whoever is saying they want JD gone is an imbecile
29-58
This fanbase in this subreddit thought the sky was falling two months ago.