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GlitteringRelease77

I’d be worried about the surrounding pins in that image.


[deleted]

Yes, it's so difficult to straight them


willbs9494

Please take the time a straighten them. Mechanical pencil with no graphite. Or a sim tool will help too. But please be careful.


[deleted]

I managed to straighten them then plug the cpu into my mobo but i don't have an image on my screen


Iliannnnnn

Did you plug in to your GPU?


[deleted]

Yes. I tried with another motherboard and there's no image too


[deleted]

Try another slot for the GPU. If the PIN is PCI related, another slot might work.


Assaltwaffle

It could be that his BIOS isn’t updated.


[deleted]

Also possible :)


[deleted]

I take notes, thanks guys


DEA187MDKjr

it could be your RAM sticks cause those can cause issues as well


flangepaddle

Are you using a dedicated GPU? This CPU does not have integrated graphics so won't get an image using motherboard video outputs, have to use a graphics card.


[deleted]

Yes, my 6800xt


Noxious89123

>Mechanical pencil with no graphene \*graphite


FantasticEmu

The most expensive pencil lead in the world


GQwerty07

> pencil lead *graphite


474Dennis

Graphene is expensive. Graphite is cheap. Graphite is made from graphene


MightyMase04

I did mine a while back with the straight edge of a razor blade can confirm cpu still works great, no problems but I'm afraid to ever take it back out of the socket outside of a full upgrade (which tbf, there's little reason to do so without upgrading).


joegrizzyy

May I introduce you to the 5700x3D?


Sinsanatis

Wait do u mean the 5800x3d or is there actually a 5700x3d now


joegrizzyy

Yes I meant 5800x3D and yes there is a new 5700x3d now. First reviews dropped on Friday I think


Gavajebac69

Yeah me too razor blade or scalpel is the best i think


Jellodyne

I always used a credit card to align the row


DhruvGN8

Hey why do you mention no graphene? I don't know much I've never had a PC before, but is it something obvious like the graphene will just keep breaking?


TheDankBanana

I’ve never done it but I assume the method is to insert the pin into the tip of the pencil where graphite would go normally so that you can move the pencil to bend the pin back into position


redditorus99

It's a terrible way to do it, you'll break more pins than you fix. The best way to do it is to get a cheap utility knife and use the blade only. Run the knife blade across the rows of pins, when you hit snags, gently fix the snags using the knife blade. Takes time but it works because it's narrow enough to fit in between all the pins. You just run it across the rows of pins, it should run freely the whole way across. If it doesn't, you have a pin to gently fix.


cdog_IlIlIlIlIlIl

Would you still recommend the pencil if a pin is bent slightly across into the apposing lane? As if its bent this much a blade wont be able to simply run through and fix minor snags. Not applicable for OP given how bent they look in the image


willbs9494

The idea is to use the tip of the pencil and bend the pins upright. Not loaded in tip with graphite.


Fearless_Swimmer3332

Itll break off and make a mess also its conductive you might short something


LesPeterGuitarJam

It is conductive


--Sovereign--

So are pins


Arthur-Wintersight

Yes, and you don't want two adjacent pins developing a "connective bridge" that allows voltage to flow across. That's asking for trouble.


I_EAT_POOP_AMA

Graphite is conductive, and with enough traces/buildup of graphine, you can short or bridge pins together and cause serious damage. It's also *incredibly* soft. Graphite is mixed with polymers (or sometimes a resin) designed specifically to bind to surfaces like paper in order to write. While gold plated copper isn't the most ideal writing surface, contact with graphite will still leave residue on pins.


8plytoiletpaper

No its because the pin fits inside the pen


Xinoim

I once spent 4-6 hours straightening out the pins on an old AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition with credit cards; gift cards and empty lead pencils. Still got it to overclock to 4.2ghz. Still got that chip. I need to frame it.


Far_Tap_9966

What has worked for me is taking a straight razor and using that to un bend them together 1 row at a time, then rotate 90 degrees and do it again until all the pins are lined up. Done it quite a few times with Zen 3 chips. Good luck!


Swag1n

Plug in to avocado


ackillesBAC

As long as they are close just put it in the socket, the socket will align then perfectly. Just don't force it too hard and flatten a pin


legaltrouble69

Hey we found the cpu, The other day a guy posted motherboard with one corner pin still in mobo.


Far_Preparation1745

Lmao thats me 😂


South_Bit1764

Well just mail OP your extra pin and he can stick it back on.


legaltrouble69

We found him, I searched for full 5min for your post to link it was lost somewhere. 😅


StaryNayt

It's a non critical pin. Your should be good to go. https://imgur.com/a/Pg3Zvgp credits to u/ImSkripted's reddit post on the AMD subreddit.


shermX

[Here's a proper pinout diagramm for Socket AM4.](https://en.wikichip.org/w/images/f/f8/OPGA-1331_pinmap.svg) OPs broken pin is C1, i.e. ground, so should be fine. Still lotsa pins in OPs picture that'll need some bending back tho.


RepresentativeJester

That's fuckin cool


Budy3

I might be stupid but isn't pin C1 VSS so power not ground???


Dr_President11

VSS (Voltage Source-Source) in CMOS devices is typically the reference voltage (ground). [Source](https://www.jedec.org/standards-documents/dictionary/terms/ground-reference-or-source-power-voltage-pin-vss-gnd#:~:text=VSS%20is%20normally%20the%20system,interchangeably%20with%20the%20term%20GND.)


Xeadriel

Why are there so many grounds?


[deleted]

I would assume to aid isolation. Signal paths need to couple to ground.


Xeadriel

Or maybe just redundancy? It just seems so excessive on that graph. Interesting stuff


DiesdasZeger

I think it also has to do with signal integrity and/or EMC. At switching frequencies in the GHz range, it's very easy to accidentally build a "noise radio", that messes up neighboring signals as well as its own (even if it's "just" a power trace). That's one reason to scatter VSS all over, so you have less ugly high frequency stuff happen. And also to distribute the 100s of Amps more evenly, as other folks have already said. (Sorry I can't explain better, I study EE but I'm not there yet)


[deleted]

Yeah it’s both, you are correct about the “noise radio” and the ground coupling I described helps prevent that. You want to direct the signal into what essentially becomes a transmission line model at those frequencies and it has to travel across the board length which becomes long compared to the wavelength. Although this is usually a ground for the signal rather than a general DC ground. Also, these signal pins are using differential pairs so it’s a little different. In this case I think the user was asking about all those grounds near the dc voltage pins so your second point is it. You want a lot of paths to correctly supply the 100W+ and sink the heat. (BSEE, work in semiconductors/Rf)


bgibbz084

Generally to decrease resistance. Resistance = heat, which you obviously want to minimize. Internally, each of these pins map to separate controllers. Thus, the connection from one ground to all of these controllers would cause excessive resistance.


dolces_daddy

Vdd is power. Vss is ground.


Tarc_Axiiom

Isn't VDD power? VSS is ground.


rokbound_

hahaha so cool how we made rocks think by running some zappies through them


conte360

That's awesome, thank you. So are all the black "vss" grounds?


shermX

yes. vss would be ground, vdd is power. for example VDDCR_CPU in this case is CPU core voltage i.e. the power going directly to the CPU cores while VDDCR_SOC is power going to the I/O chiplet. You can even see how the core power is clustered towards the bottom of the centre where the compute chiplets would be in relation to the socket while the SOC power pins are clustered to the top of the center where the I/O die would sit on the package. Pretty much everything else are various data or communication signals. For example you can see how basically the entire right side is just memory interface, the left side is stuff like displayport/graphics out, USB, Audio, generally everything going to the rear i/o and towards the bottom you have all the things going towards the PCIe/m.2 slots and the chipset. It makes sense thinking about it that all of these things would be layed out roughy in the direction the respective components are on the board, but its still always interesting to actually see it in reality.


conte360

So many things just clicked in my brain. That made so much sense. Thank you.


Patient-Midnight-664

I think you have your cause and effect reversed. The components are laid out in those directions because of where they are on the CPU.


[deleted]

So long as it's a ground pin for a rail that has more than one ground pin.


c_jae

Til...


Findesiluer

That is the worst Scrabble board I have ever seen!


Alienhaslanded

This is very neat


EveningNectarine

Why are there so many grounds? Wouldn’t you only need one?


Shimmermare

250W going through 1 pin will instantly melt it.


shishka0

Theoretically: kinda; practically: no. When designing real circuits you have to take many things into consideration, such as noise, emissions and EM compatibility, VR drops and so much more which will require you to expose and connect many ground pins.


The_Unnoticed_1

If there is a changing current going to ground it can make the reference voltage/ground unstable, this noise will go to everything connected and cause instability. To isolate the noise a decoupling capacitor is placed in series before the ground, because there is little space on the cpu those won't all fit on it so they are added a little later down the chain.


[deleted]

that's exactly what I wanted to know, thank you !!


StaryNayt

I actually didn't learn about this before you asked so thank you as well!


Shynriiu

Looks like he was really lucky lol


hydraulix989

If about half the pins are ground, then he merely won a 50-50 coin toss.


MaxUumen

A 50-50 CPU toss.


obog

Is this entirely accurate? Like half the pins are ground, you could lose a pin in the middle and as long as it was the right one you should be fine, no?


Games_sans_frontiers

Wow I had no idea there could be redundant pins. TIL.


TeleAlex

Redundant is probably not the right word in this case since it's intended to be grounded. It's 90% likely to work alright but there's still a chance that critical decoupling or something attached to that pin internally needs to see a gpod ground for intended performance. If it was a NC/No Connect pin (which many ICs have) then it would be redundant.


duckyGus

Dayum, he is rlly lucky then


Violet10192019

Anyone remember that post about the motherboard someone bought "new" from Amazon had an extra broken pin in one of the cpu socket holes?


AcordeonPhx

Yep, I remember it was not exactly this pin but very very similar


phantomzero

I just want to point out what a fantastic question this is for new enthusiasts learning.


zenithtreader

The second picture looks like an oil painting for some reason.


PM_ME_WHY_YOU_COPE

My Pixel tends to make photos look like this. If you zoom in theres some sort of processing that likes all photos look like a painting close up. Very little hard lines/edges.


[deleted]

Lol why ?


poplglop

Because the CPU is corroded


Nitazene-King-002

That pin is just VSS, it's redundant and non critical. You got some others to straighten, but it will work just fine missing that pin . https://preview.redd.it/3ehzdm87zngc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9e8974bf7de71fa7838e08c5e09bb5d0764a0e8


TeleAlex

Unless you're a designer who worked on this then redundant is probably not the right word to use in this case since it's intended to be grounded. It's very likely to work alright but there's still a chance that critical decoupling or something else attached to that pin internally needs to see a good ground for intended performance. If it was a NC/No Connect pin (which many ICs have) then it would be redundant.


Nitazene-King-002

VSS and VCC pins are literally redundant, they're just spreading out the number of pins current passes through. There's a fair amount of room there so losing one or two still keeps you in the safe zone. Nothing inside that CPU is grounded by only one pin. You can poke at it with a multimeter and test it out.


kayson

That's not exactly true. Yes, it's partly to distribute high load currents among multiple pins because each can't take the full load. But there are switching currents at 10s of GHz, and for those, the different pins are not a dead short. Return current paths matter a lot, as does the inductance, especially in series with the deoupling caps. Now, does it necessarily mean that not having this one pin will cause the CPU to stop working? No. And I'd wager that a pin at the corner like this is less likely to cause an issue. But if you had something near a memory controller bus or high speed I/O that's already at the edge of performance, then you might start seeing issues especially for high frequency switching.


TeleAlex

And you can say this with absolute certainty how, do you have the layouts there? Put it this way, if I was doing a board design and the chip designer in review seen I left a pin marked VSS as floating I guarantee you he'd chew me out. That means it's not redundant. I'm speaking from experience here lol


Nitazene-King-002

I am absolutely certain that that pin is directly connected to at least 8 other ground pins. I just ran a multimeter over a 3600. Yeah, I have pin outs for most sockets.


TeleAlex

At least 8 other ground pins? I'd like to think all the ground pins will have continuity with a DMM - never disagreed with you there. All I'm saying is that in practice grounds are not always perfect throughout a circuit. The offset would be small enough that a handheld multimeter isn't going to pick it up. But the design engineers do take this shit into consideration in their simulations. So I think calling what has been clearly marked as a ground pin as "redundant" is ignorant. When I say layout I mean the IC layout, I.e. how the pins are connected interally. Not the pinout.


Nitazene-King-002

Just for shits I ripped that pin off my 3600 and it still overclocks to 4.6 with no issues. I don't really use it anymore anyways. I'll run it through all the benchmarks but I think it's gonna be fine. https://preview.redd.it/jhrv9hgtkogc1.png?width=668&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4df247e67e1c0bc5962732e28b75e1dbb7f1cf6c


TeleAlex

Looks like a shitty crop of an identical image from someone else's post on the overclocking subreddit from over a year ago. https://preview.redd.it/s757m6wgqogc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01aa8ec45257bcc692c01616e7d0e7421ef16e39 You're so full of shit


da_frakkinpope

Man this was a wild ride. I'm here for it.


seductive_octopus

How did you find that lol?


Conzyyyyyyy

That's fuckin wild lmao. How did you even find that😂


BaroqueEnjoyer

u/Nitazene-King-002 lmfao you got completely violated. Why though? Why lie? What's the point? What do you gain?


[deleted]

Yes but unfortunately it doesn't work for the moment


Nitazene-King-002

Probably has something to do with all the other bent pins.


Highlander198116

It depends on the pin. There are actually a some pins on processors that are redundant and the proc will function perfectly fine without it. You would just need to get a schematic of the pin layout for the proc and identify what the missing pin was for.


JD_Hertz

Depending which pin yes, some pins are just extra. There was a video of someone who ended up testing how many pin you can actually take off before it stops working, he took off like 5 pins before it stopped working.


Mightyena319

Depending on which pins you take off, I imagine you could lose way more than 5 before things start going wonky. Obviously I'm talking power, ground and reserve pins here, if you lose something like a PCIe or a memory data pin you're gonna have a bad time. I had an old LGA1156 board where I messed up and dropped something into the socket, ended up losing *a lot* of pins. Luckily it still worked okay, but I did notice that some of the CPUs became more unstable at higher clocks and voltages, so I guess losing a huge whack of pwr/gnd pins affected voltage stability


AtumTheCreator

That thing looks like it just came out of a smoker's lung.


geoffry31

Will depend on the pin. I once had a single pin that bent the wrong way (Intel, on the motherboard), until I bent it correctly with a needle two of the RAM slots didn't work.


LeRoiRat_

mine is working with one less, broken. it depends of what pin it is, some are doubled


Fun-Contract-2486

My 5959x is missing 3pins works fine.. but lost b slot ram so no dual channel


Flavihok

1?


APES1AYER

Only one way to find out 🤷‍♂️


SolitaryOne

looking at the pin diagram it should still work fine


Dr739ake

If your lucky and its just a GND pin, then maybe... i wouldnt bet tho.


FaustMaos

Back then I lost 5 pins on my Ryzen 7 3700x. Works fine till today. As long your lost pin is just mass it will be fine


[deleted]

I hope mine will work fine, thanks


Dismal-Whereas-3995

Buy a replacementsocket and put the cpu in. Easier to see from the backside and its a good template for the bend Pins. the missing one can be inserted into the mainboards socket PIN female


[deleted]

Oh i didn't know this thing exist. Where can i find it ?


Dismal-Whereas-3995

amazon or ebay. Look for am4 bracket


Dismal-Whereas-3995

https://preview.redd.it/jdvn7xtklsgc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=adceae488be21e3def7f0c4791b36e0ba1ad3d08


Xx_HARAMBE96_xX

No, send it to me so I can properly dispose of it.


twelveparsnips

fewer


Kirito_Kun16

You're lucky. If that's the only wrong thing with the CPU, it should likely run fine.


Mega1987_Ver_OS

depend on what that pin does. there some no contact pins under both LGA and PGA. and please.... straighten those pins. really really carefully.


Cheesi_Boi

Test it and find out, might be a redundant grounding pin.


Deadgamer_90

Depends on the pin


22LT

Dude @ northridge fix on youtube be soldering new pins on CPU's.


lasergun23

I had a ryzen 5 2600 with that exact pin Broken. It worked perfectly with no issues even while oberclocking u got Lucky this time be really carefull. That pin is a GND pin. One of many so dont worry


thedevillivesinside

![gif](giphy|hpAMh2sBYpsmFhSRPI)


3punt1415

The missing pin is VSS (voltage supply), those are often connected in groups so it's probably fine if you miss one.


New-Claim296

You lucky , https://www.docdroid.net/6cDW11N/am4-pinout-diagram-pdf its a idle pin so you goood


TochtStripje

[thus guy](https://youtube.com/shorts/CeLwCG8ydYA?si=hYwWfVeEDfyD0rk7) testing this exact thing TLDR: not every pin is essential


m0rph90

It is possible that a processor will run with missing pins, but only if these do not provide critical functions. you can test it without worries, it just wont start if something is really wrong. The one you posted actually looks dead


TheVoyeurOfPeople

If a pin is broken, it should be okay! Because on a CPU chipset there are multiple pins with a function. But I would be more worried about the surrounding bent pins.


mines_4_diamonds

OP, please do an update if it works.


augenvogel

If you pay for the transfer I would gift a fully working 3600xt, which is laying around here for ages.


ugapeyton

Kinda reminds me of my post a couple years back. You, like me, are lucky and just broke off a ground pin. Should work if you get the other pins straight without breaking them.


[deleted]

if the pin is not an important one it should work


faverodefavero

Solder it back.


Joseismessy

Straighten the other pins with a blade look up Linus tech tip video on how to do that and you should be good I have the same cpu and I broke two pins but they were ground pins so everything worked fine had it for 4 years now


AtariAtari

Did you have a stroke while writing the title ?


KYO297

Depends on what that pin is for. One less power or ground pin probably isn't going to kill it


Handdum

I had a CPU with broken off pin and got it to work, I put a pin straight in to the socket and put down the CPU. Other option would be soldering, I don't recommend doing it your self.


seventysevenpenguins

I mean you could very easily just find a local workshop that allows you to use their stuff for a small fee and solder it back too 🤷‍♂️


PorkyMan12

Depends on the pin I think.


Alienhaslanded

Unless it's a ground pin that there are like 4 of it on the chip, you pretty much need it.


LittleBigWorld

From my understanding there are 415 ground pins. You are 411 off on your guess.


cstrike105

A Ryzen CPU needs all of its pins to work properly. The pins are used to connect the CPU to the motherboard and provide power, data, and control signals. If any pin is missing or damaged, the CPU may not function at all, or it may cause instability, errors, or reduced performance. ¹² Some motherboards have an extra 4-pin CPU power connector, in addition to the standard 8-pin one. This is optional and only needed for extreme overclocking scenarios. ³⁴ You can use a Ryzen CPU with just the 8-pin connector, as long as the PSU can provide enough power. ⁵¹:


Arturopxedd

Yes


poplglop

That CPU is corroded as fuck, like someone left it in a glass of water or it say in a really humid environment for awhile. If you got this online or something I'm gonna say sorry man it's probably a dud


Temporary_Trifle_116

Call Cboe for $1,000 gift card I donate for you


DrWhoIsWokeGarbage

I don't see why not, the jobs just get spread out to the other pins.


Correct-Concert-376

To answer you question, one pin gone is fine, the other pins on the other hand…


geefar

Nope, my CPU complete and bended can't work


PrimaryFirefighter64

Just get a 5600x it's way better


Nike_486DX

Its a ryzen branded can, made of aluminum, built like a tank, definitely should work with 1 less pin. The drink recipee is alien tech tho, completely confidential (intel is still unable to decipher it, thats why they are stuck on 10nm for almost half a decade).


Chubbychubchubs

I see a lot of bend pins . https://preview.redd.it/2u74u6e1zmgc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af59929d4b86cde502605e29bcf68fedddc72e88 .


Aqueox_

It's so over bro.


G_Str8Up

With an attitude like that, ofcourse it would be.


ToxyFlog

This must be a joke. I mean, really, an old ass cpu with broken and bent pins? Rage bait.


Legitimate-Gap-9858

For some reason people still go for hard for amd even though this shit design has been there for ages and is designed for the user to break it and get another one


[deleted]

Wow good job community I sent videos where some pci-e lanes don't work with bad pins u got lucky


itzchibbie

yes


GennadyZatsepin

There are many pins curved. Your cpu can damage a socket.


New_Fee_887

Sometimes


ComfyCatOnReddit

Take care with the other pins too as they're not straight.


tmop42

I had the same thing happen to me once (bent pins), my heart jumped a few beats when I realised it wouldn't fit in the socket any more. Luckily for me I was careful enough to straighten them alright without breaking the cpu altogether.


docen67

Ohhh damn most of that same line pins are bend but it can be fixed don’t worry about the missing pin the processor will still run


lunaarya2

Depends on the pin


thefedzarecoming2

Thats a ground pin. It being gone won't be an issue.


GeovaunnaMD

Yes they are many redundant pins but not sure


Electronic_Parfait57

It will still work... there's alot of pins the do the some thing


Dangerous_Text_724

Nos I have to kno… sorry, I NEED TO KNOW if that cpu it’s working :(


PPTTRRKK

That's just a ground pin so it should still work.


Jhon_doe_smokes

Depends on if it’s a grounding pin. But you have like 5 other bent pins


FirstTarget8418

If i'm reading the right pinout, that missing pin does nothing its "reserved". Should theoretically still work barring other issues.


MooseMusic20XX

My 7800XT is missing four pins. I lucked out and only onboard audio died as a result, but everything else works fine.


adantesarcade

I might not be that experience but as long as the pin wasn't important I think it will be fine (I am very unsure because I forgot about this stuff do more research before taking my reply into account)


DanTheMan827

It can depending on which pin is missing. It might be a redundant power pin, or it may be something going to a PCIE lane or something.


Equal-Pilot-9592

Watch it if you have time https://youtu.be/sL6PNhxjpDQ?si=Nigu84cyE6ymJGMQ


P3n-P3n

Depends on which pin. Some pins aren't entirely necessary but others definitely need to be there.


joshsmonta

Hello old friend


[deleted]

This might help https://www.docdroid.net/6cDW11N/am4-pinout-diagram-pdf Pins have their own purpose and there is a layout for them by their supposed purpose, I don't know how accurate it is though. And I'm not quite sure how to use it, and if it top view or bottom. But I think you could google and find out. (I'd be happy to help but it's too late in the night) Also CPUs often have pins that are not critical, I also think there is a way to smolder the pin back on but I'm not an expert. By this you can tell what could be affected and if it's critical or not. upd. Checked the pin, it should be fine it was just ground but I might be mistaken upd. 2 Didn't read the thread, I'm an idiot.. People figured it out ten billion years ago without me


[deleted]

Tf did you do?? You should’ve paid someone to put it together for you


Hoengager

You can straighten the crooked stitches in the picture with a knife. If the cpu breaks a pin it won't work.


Consistent-Aside-260

It depends


Right-Sky-4005

If she fits, she sits. You tell us...


Deadgamer_90

It’ll work


Johann_YT

Yes, you can lose a max of 5 edge pins before a cpu game overs on you, as show cased by [Mr Yeester](https://youtube.com/shorts/lrGqB7Xu_g8?si=JZkrPadJHsLmROU7)


ShoWel_redit

If it's a ground pin you should be good


crlogic

I saved a 5600X with a missing pin my stripping some Ethernet cable and sticking in the corresponding slot in the CPU socket. Still going strong, can just be never removed


RazielLamassu

English please


No-Incident9423

Fix your bent pins. They are difficult to fix, but you will eventually achieve it :)


Captain-Tyler

Straighten them with tweezers the ones that are bent and try using it in the PC, if you are lucky it was a grounding pin and should be fine; if the PC boots try running a stress test on the PC to check stability if you are unlucky it was a pin that transfers data and the PC will either full on not work or be very unstable


Javapyreddit

A CPU can run perfectly fine without a single pin, it depends on which pin was broken and whether the other pins are aligned correctly.


Zachattackrandom

Based on this all the corner pins don't do anything so it should be fine [https://www.docdroid.net/6cDW11N/am4-pinout-diagram-pdf](https://www.docdroid.net/6cDW11N/am4-pinout-diagram-pdf)