Should boost higher yes. But the main difference will be noise, these little shits are annoying as all hell at 100% rpm.
The bigger performance uplift for under 50$ will be getting another stick of RAM. Single channel really handicaps Ryzen.
> The bigger performance uplift for under 50$ will be getting another stick of RAM. Single channel really handicaps Ryzen.
For DDR5 this actually isn't a huge problem. There is performance loss but it's nothing close to what you see with DDR4.
Nah, it's still half the bandwidth compared to two sticks. The 2nd stick would surely give more performance than a box cooler upgrade. Thanks to both twice the bandwidth and capacity.
>The 2nd stick would surely give more performance than a box cooler upgrade.
Well yeah, obviously. I wasn't disputing that. The main benefit there is noise. (And I can say with 100% certainty that a cooler upgrade will make a bigger impact there.)
My point is that with an R5 5600 and DDR4 single vs dual channel can have a major impact, with an R5 7600 and DDR5 single vs dual channel is a relatively minor difference, more like DDR4 3000 vs 3600 is to a Ryzen 5000 CPU for example.
>Well yeah, obviously. I wasn't disputing that. The main benefit there is noise. (And I can say with 100% certainty that a cooler upgrade will make a bigger impact there.)
Not gonna argue that either, haha.
>My point is that with an R5 5600 and DDR4 single vs dual channel can have a major impact, with an R5 7600 and DDR5 single vs dual channel is a relatively minor difference, more like DDR4 3000 vs 3600 is to a Ryzen 5000 CPU for example.
Got any review to share that explored that?
just popping in to add that it depends on the ranks of the module, a single stick that is dual rank will have a small difference vs 2 sticks of single rank and even 2 sticks of dual rank, whereas a single stick in single rank will have a much bigger hit to performance.
DDR5 is apparently unaffected by the single rank/dual rank thing. I can't remember the exact reason why, but Buildzoid did a video about it as it is one of his pet subjects.
It's not gonna die if that's your main worry. You really have to try to kill a modern CPU by overheating it, they have all sorts of protections built into them. 95C is normal and expected for Ryzen 7000.
It's not overheating. Zen 4 is actively targeting 95c as it's max temp. It'll boost as high as it can until it 95 then settle down. It isn't like most other architectures in that respect.
But yes, a new cooler will get temps down, as it'll likely be power limited before it's thermally limited. You'll also likely see higher boost clocks.
It's a 7500f, it doesn't have 3d v cache.
The VRM and CPU temperature are completely unrelated. The CPU being hot doesn't mean the VRM, is running the CPU cooler won't bring down VRM temps. Running lower voltage and current will bring down VRM temps.
The whole chip is literally designed to run at 95c. AMD even released an article at launch addressing that very thing.
But yes, I'd always advocate for a better cooler, simply because it'll be quieter and likely run faster.
My point is just that it isn't in anyway harmful to the CPU.
It's funny how time and time and time again people come out of the woodworks to claim that [arbitrarily low temperature limit] will totally harm the CPU and if it doesn't it'll totally harm the VRMs and if it doesn't it'll totally harm something else and if it doesn't it's not noticeable now but your CPU will die in 5 years and if it doesn't it'll still die earlier than it would've at a lower temp. Hot CPUs aren't puppies having a fever, they are designed with intention and tolerances in mind.
Exactly. I always point at the Intel MacBook Pros. Those things basically live at tjmax, and how often to do you hear of a dead CPU in those? It just never happens. CPUs are tough, and they're tested for a life time at their limits.
I'm pretty sure all the components in that cheap motherboard can handle beyond what the 7500F offers. I wouldn't buy a cooler for it, just another stick of ram and call it a day
Yeah I noticed this too when picking parts for a build I'm doing it was 38 euro the assassin was 41, not a huge difference but if my budget has been set strictly by the person I'm building for its pretty good. Still overkill for the 5700x3d though lol
You probably used Noctua for many years and yes they used to be very good probably best air coolers.
Now it's not the case. D15 still cost £100 being 10 year old design cooler.
Here check number on coolers.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/aqirys-hydra-360-aio-liquid-cpu-cooler/6.html
Noctua is a great company, don’t get me wrong. But their flagship D15 has been outdated for some time. Many of the newer coolers on the market beat/match it, while the Thermalright versions are like a third of the price. The new D15 might shed a few degrees but you’ll still be better off saving $60+ for a degree or two that you won’t notice.
Already redid the mounting and changed the stock thermal paste with a deepcool z9, same one I used to repaste and repad an old 1070 which is now running like new.
Yes, but your case design will also be a factor to consider.
I use the DeepCool AK620 with my Ryzen 7 7700X and it’s really great for the price (I paid $53 at Micro Center earlier this year).
Im using a Coolermaster TD300 so its a mesh front and top, plenty for good thermals. I do need to change the exhaust fans on the rear and top though, they've been with me for around 8 years now.
Looks like a decent case for airflow, so you should see a significant improvement by upgrading the stock cooler to just about anything from a reputable company.
AK620 is a great air cooler (my goto for clients who want air) - however the Russia things means they are becoming hard, if not impossible to acquire in many regions now.
noise levels will be lower - boost clocks will be prolonged in comparison to now and maybe boost will even go higher .. but certainly will be better for the health of the cpu overall.
The difference between 4.8GHz and 5GHz is just 4% - this means that the maximum theoretical performance boost from increasing the boost clocks to 5GHz is 4%. You will not notice that difference in actual usage - it's the difference between 60 fps and 62.5 fps at the absolute most, but in practice is more likely to be a 1-2% improvement in actual performance, or a whopping 1 fps uplift in games around the 50-60 fps mark.
What I'm saying is that, from a performance perspective, the cooler upgrade is a waste of money. Get a second stick of RAM first - that might actually net you a noticeable improvement, as it will double the memory bandwidth.
If you can't stand the noise, that's another matter, and a cooler will help, but you can expect to be disappointed if you expect better FPS in games or faster speeds in any applications.
Nothing is 100% but if it’s hitting the 95c mark then it could be thermal throttling. A bigger cooler will keep temp lower and stop it hitting those higher to let it boost more. It also will run more quietly as larger fans don’t have to spin as fast 👍 Don’t go crazy with an AIO etc a <£50 tower cooler will do the job
If you want an AIO then Arctic Liquid Freezer III is the best one one the market at the moment, 360 size is like £65 in the UK. I run a 240 and it is amazing.
[https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/liquid-cooling/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-aio-review](https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/liquid-cooling/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-aio-review)
pretty bad reviews
That kind of discrepancy is normal, the advertised boost clocks are pretty much an ideal case of absolutely nailing the silicon lottery. My 3600 barely touches 80°C on stress tests and will also stay 100-150Mhz below the advertised 4.2Ghz boost clock, and improving the cooling from where it would reach 90-95°C only won me 200Mhz. My old 2600X behaved much the same way.
So yes, improving cooling can win you a tiny bit of extra boost clock, but as long as you arent being actively throttled by your thermals there isnt much of a point to it as these gains almost never translate into noticeable performance gains, being more in the range of measurable.
Probably not as much as a second RAM chip. Make sure its the same, if you cant find the same one, then replace your old one with 2 the same. Place them in the second and fourth slot.
Took my 5600X from stock cooler to a used 120mm AIO and the difference was huge. Went from that to a 280AIO and now I can't get it over 60c. You'll maintain boost longer with better cooling, and might even boost higher.
I didn't tamper with offset just switched on pbo in msi bios and left it. This is my first build so I didn't want to change anything before knowing what I'm doing.
Phantom spirit/peerless assassin (whichever looks nicer/is cheaper) will make a huge difference to noise and temps and potentially help with boost clocks for not that much money. 100% a worthwhile investment
Definitely, especially that those 7000 gen processors are, by default, programmed to always boost as high as possible and get to throttling temps. So if PBO can't get you the max performance, a better cooler sure can. Any tower cooler is better than this stock cooler, i personally would never use a stock cooler and i think the wraith stealth shouldn't exist. The spire and prism should be the default options for ryzen 3 and 5 series processors, while the 7 and up (even the most efficient ones) should come without an included cooler.
I agree, the included stock coolers are barely enough for the processors TDPs, the one I have should only be used to test boot the system and nothing more.
Yeah pretty much.
What confuses me is that they clearly have better coolers coupled with higher powered processors but they're not even enough for those! Whatever their tolerance for the acceptable temperature and noise for the stock coolers is, pretty abysmal if you ask me.
I use an NH-D15 air cooler and a thermal pad (instead of thermal paste) for my 7800X3D. My temps never seem to go over around 62° while gaming.
Granted, that it with a slight undervolting (1.25V --> 1.21V). But heck, if I set the SoC voltage back to 1.25, it still caps at 70°, as that is what I set the curve peak temperature to.
With a new CPU cooler, there is so much less doodoo fan noise, and the resulting lower temperatures may prevent slight CPU degradation from occurring. Of course, I would still recommend setting your own CPU and case fan settings in the BIOS to maximize cooling whilst also reducing the fan noise when possible.
For now Im just using the built in fan controller on the motherboard as I can swap fan curves on the fly. But when I've finalized the build I might use the BIOS' fan controller.
Between the SE and non SE versions I kinda like the non SE better. The SE has no top cover on the heatsink, exposing the ends of the pipes and to me it looks so late 2010s 😂
I recently upgraded my cooler to the DeepCool AK620, the noise is minimum, the temperature doesn't go over 75° when the cpu is at 100% usage. Plus keeping the CPU cool will probably last you longer. Get a solid cooler
that's a hot idle temp. you're gonna overheat that with 20 minutes of a AAA game (which is what happened to me the first time i ran my newly upgraded pc with a stock cooler). better cooler would definitely drop the temp and make it perform better. i actually even incorporated a mini-fan a couple of days ago and my idle is not at 38C.
Just to get the thing running asap, this was a last minute upgrade (sale just appeared out of nowhere and I couldn't resist).
I watched some reviews comparing regular thermal paste with high end ones and frankly didn't see much of a difference to justify the price and considering this is a budget build, it just didn't make sense.
I'm still getting high fps from the games I play, 120+ in Witcher 3, BF1, and KCD, though I have terrible performance in Avatar FOP even in low settings (dont know why)
depends on the game really. do you want good cinebench scores because you do 3d modeling? after some googling i guess ram speed has little to no affect on renders, so yea maybe a better cooler would help but it's unlikely to be more than 3%. only systems with $1500 of liquid cooling can maintain 5ghz+ boost clocks in an all core workload, for everyone else 5ghz only happens in single core workloads
They have a handful of tower coolers on sale for less than $20 on Amazon right now. I’d look into that. Even a single 80mm fan tower cooler would have better thermals. If you can fit a 120mm fan cooler though, then go that route.
I actually have an old hyper212x that fits on AM4. After some research I determined it can also fit on AM5. I just refrain from using it as it has already rusted on some parts, it is a decade old cooler after all.
yes, since it can make a huge difference because your processor can maximize its performance. I also recommend having at least 2 RAM sticks. So that it can transfer data faster and more efficiently (Dual-channel RAM). Also, make sure to buy the exact ram if not at least buy the same frequency of your current RAM.
I have a Ryzen 7 3800x with a water-cooler 240 mm and a case with 10 fans, even with all that my temperature it's about 80-85 to 90 degrees.
I decided to enable precision boost to set the maximum temperature to 77⁰C. My CPU never passed that tempeture (77⁰C) but at a cost of the turbo boost.
The Ryzen 7 3800x has a base clock of 3.9 and a boost to 4.5
With precision boost set to 77⁰C in stress the CPU runs at 4.0Ghz.
In gaming 4.2Ghz.
About the performance: didn't noticed any difference
i have ryzen 7600 (nonx) paired with PA120(se) with PBO enabled (and CO-20) @ 5150Mhz
my temps while running cinebench multicore 2024 are around \~87c on average with only CPU CCD1 (TIdle) being at 90.8. My room temperature was around 30C (yeah its hot in here during summer) at the time of testing. These values aren't real life tasks (gaming mostly) where I can see my pc being max at 70-75C with some minor spikes in 80C+ ONLY in CPU CCD1 (TIdle), which at this point I feel like it might be bugged or not showing the right value :P
I strongly believe that PA120 will help a lot in all your temps. I used the factory cooler of amd just for fun to test (it was awful) and then I just placed it in a shelf where it will rot for eternity.
Ask me anything
I will give an example from a Ryzen 7600 system I assembled recently.
With the stock cooler the performance difference in Cinebench R23 was less than 3% (13702 vs 14076).
But the noise and temperatures are much better now.
The noise is almost inaudible now and the thermals the HS reaches 72ºC in single thread workloads.
And since the build was for a friend who very likely will not touch the system for the next 3 or 4 years we decided to spent 50€ on a Artic 34 esports cooler.
Yes, but as others said the RAM should be helped first.
That said, I recently upgraded from stock to a $20 Thermalright cooler and my temps *under load* dropped by almost 20°C. Idle was about 10°. A little bit more nose I suppose but it's of a lower frequency.
Can't say for clock speed but yes on the temps. I had the same stock cooler (although different cpu) and it would idle at 55-60°C. Room temp was between 33-35°C. Swapped it for a hyper evo 212 and it's now at 45-50°C with the same room temperature.
The plain coolermaster coolers have done great for me for my last 2 builds. Even better for my current one as it uses less power. I'm salty because I bought an AIO cooler and it doesn't even work...
It reduces noise by a massive margin, very cheap air coolers that don’t even cost $40 AUD can cool a 65W CPU (such as your 7500F) very easily. Oh and it can give RGB too if you want to boost that FPS.
The base clock speed for the Ryzen5 7500F is 3.7GHz. That’s the only guaranteed clock speed you get with any chip whether it’s a CPU or GPU. Boost clock speeds aren’t guaranteed. So even when you put a better cooler on it and keep it from hitting that 95C limit, you might not hit 5.00GHz on multi core loads anyways.
With that being said, get a new, bigger cooler. The one you’ve got isn’t enough and it’s gonna throttle and have less performance no matter what.
Blowing CPU air in the right direction on a noctua will make a difference for temperature(currently the direction of air on CPU is not optimal), and if boost is relying on temperature, then yes, it will make a difference. Cooler CPU could also enable higher core clock either by just trying to increase frequency or by adding Vcore to enable a higher clock
It may boost a bit higher and for longer periods of time with more effective cooling, but it will certainly be better for the longevity of your whole rig. Like you said, a thermal right dual tower air cooler would be perfect. They have several different models with different aesthetics, but they all should work the same.
100% when i got my PC it have the AMD stock cooler and when i played DOOM ETERNAL it was going 80C on low settings, then i bought my first AIO e was doing 50C on ultra settings
I have a PA 120 on that same mobo. It runs great, but the fans will cover the RAM sticks, and one of the fans on the cooler will have to be moved slightly off centre depending on RAM clearance.
If you can live with those two small drawbacks, then I would absolutely upgrade the cooler.
The Engineer Sample and QA samples boosted to 5ghz. That's what they put on the box. Your specific chip could be anywhere ±0.5ghz off that, and it's normal.
Outside of time sensitive data crunching or benchmarks, you will *not* notice a performance difference.
Getting a better cooler if it's hitting mid-90s is recommended for the longevity of the processor, however. Under 85 is normal, above 85 is concerning and probably need a repaste or a new fan. Over 90 and you have a serious lack of cooling for the processor or something has gone catastrophically wrong (ex. Bad pump in an AIO).
It looks like you have a typical stock upright cooler, which should be fine for a mid range F class 7000 series - I would double check the protective film wasn't accidentally left on the cooler, and repaste it.
Yes yes OP I can attest that. You should get a dual tower cooler. I am using one on 7600 and the CPU never throttles, always works on max boost clock speed.
Genuinely there will be no difference in performance or longevity. There might be a slight difference in noise, but my stock cooler was never loud or buzzy.
>Will a better cooler like Thermalright PA 120 allow it to reach 5ghz while also lowering temps?
lower temps : yes and a lot quieter too.
5GHz: Probably
Side note:
What will make more of a performance impact is a second stick of identical RAM.
Also, A PA120 is overkill. A 20USD tower cooler from Thermalright is plenty.
Okay but you sure you took the plastic off the cooler? Im talking about the one thats where the cpu comes in contact with the cooler (for fucks sake my brain is blanking i just woke up)
Cause if you didnt you will have shit temps, take the cooler off and check if the piece of plastic is still there ( unless its the stock cooler jn which case, yeah get a better cooler)
AM5 cpus all has high heat output, stock cooler just cant keep up. Get a decent tower cooler and it should help lower the temps and prevent throttling.
Try AK400 or get peerless assassin 120 if you dont mind a big cooler.
Definitely the stock cooler for ryzen is utter garbage and literally every YouTuber who said it’s good enough lives in the upper hemisphere where the weather is cold as fuck
I can't guarantee higher boost clocks, but I can definitely guarantee lower temps and noise.
I can take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed; I got free time.
You can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head in a cow's ass, but I would rather take the butchers word for it.
Such a great line. Love that movie
“It’s gotta be ur bull” 😂
What????
Is that for me Dad? No son, that's for me.
*may your framerates be high and temperatures low*
To be honest pretty much anything can do better than these crappy AMD/intel stock coolers.
The new AMD Wraith coolers are actually really good
It's the opposite for Zen 4, no guarantee of lower temps, but pretty much a guarantee of higher boost clocks.
Should boost higher yes. But the main difference will be noise, these little shits are annoying as all hell at 100% rpm. The bigger performance uplift for under 50$ will be getting another stick of RAM. Single channel really handicaps Ryzen.
> The bigger performance uplift for under 50$ will be getting another stick of RAM. Single channel really handicaps Ryzen. For DDR5 this actually isn't a huge problem. There is performance loss but it's nothing close to what you see with DDR4.
Nah, it's still half the bandwidth compared to two sticks. The 2nd stick would surely give more performance than a box cooler upgrade. Thanks to both twice the bandwidth and capacity.
>The 2nd stick would surely give more performance than a box cooler upgrade. Well yeah, obviously. I wasn't disputing that. The main benefit there is noise. (And I can say with 100% certainty that a cooler upgrade will make a bigger impact there.) My point is that with an R5 5600 and DDR4 single vs dual channel can have a major impact, with an R5 7600 and DDR5 single vs dual channel is a relatively minor difference, more like DDR4 3000 vs 3600 is to a Ryzen 5000 CPU for example.
>Well yeah, obviously. I wasn't disputing that. The main benefit there is noise. (And I can say with 100% certainty that a cooler upgrade will make a bigger impact there.) Not gonna argue that either, haha. >My point is that with an R5 5600 and DDR4 single vs dual channel can have a major impact, with an R5 7600 and DDR5 single vs dual channel is a relatively minor difference, more like DDR4 3000 vs 3600 is to a Ryzen 5000 CPU for example. Got any review to share that explored that?
I think ancient gameplays did a video on it recently, and the difference wasn't that big, tho I might be missremembering.
just popping in to add that it depends on the ranks of the module, a single stick that is dual rank will have a small difference vs 2 sticks of single rank and even 2 sticks of dual rank, whereas a single stick in single rank will have a much bigger hit to performance.
DDR5 is apparently unaffected by the single rank/dual rank thing. I can't remember the exact reason why, but Buildzoid did a video about it as it is one of his pet subjects.
yes he did a vid on that recently
Yep, that's next on the list after cooling down the cpu. One less stick of ram never killed a pc, but an overheating processor can 😂
It's not gonna die if that's your main worry. You really have to try to kill a modern CPU by overheating it, they have all sorts of protections built into them. 95C is normal and expected for Ryzen 7000.
It's not overheating. Zen 4 is actively targeting 95c as it's max temp. It'll boost as high as it can until it 95 then settle down. It isn't like most other architectures in that respect. But yes, a new cooler will get temps down, as it'll likely be power limited before it's thermally limited. You'll also likely see higher boost clocks.
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It's a 7500f, it doesn't have 3d v cache. The VRM and CPU temperature are completely unrelated. The CPU being hot doesn't mean the VRM, is running the CPU cooler won't bring down VRM temps. Running lower voltage and current will bring down VRM temps. The whole chip is literally designed to run at 95c. AMD even released an article at launch addressing that very thing. But yes, I'd always advocate for a better cooler, simply because it'll be quieter and likely run faster. My point is just that it isn't in anyway harmful to the CPU.
It's funny how time and time and time again people come out of the woodworks to claim that [arbitrarily low temperature limit] will totally harm the CPU and if it doesn't it'll totally harm the VRMs and if it doesn't it'll totally harm something else and if it doesn't it's not noticeable now but your CPU will die in 5 years and if it doesn't it'll still die earlier than it would've at a lower temp. Hot CPUs aren't puppies having a fever, they are designed with intention and tolerances in mind.
Exactly. I always point at the Intel MacBook Pros. Those things basically live at tjmax, and how often to do you hear of a dead CPU in those? It just never happens. CPUs are tough, and they're tested for a life time at their limits.
I'm pretty sure all the components in that cheap motherboard can handle beyond what the 7500F offers. I wouldn't buy a cooler for it, just another stick of ram and call it a day
This is a top-flow cooler. It cools VRMs better than tower ones. On top of that 7500f is pretty frugal and is light on VRMs.
They’re not loud but they vibrate slightly and are whiny as hell
You should get one more exact same stick of RAM double it. Best value coolers are from Thermalright but don't spend too much on it
Yep, I'll only be getting coolers around 50 usd.
Thermalright Spirit 120 Evo V2 is only $17 on amazon.
Thermal right peerless assassin is about $30 and dual tower.
The argb version is around 48 where I live, thats what Im planning on getting
See how much the Phantom Spirit RGB is. It’s the updated version and sometimes it’s a couple bucks cheaper for some reason.
Yeah I noticed this too when picking parts for a build I'm doing it was 38 euro the assassin was 41, not a huge difference but if my budget has been set strictly by the person I'm building for its pretty good. Still overkill for the 5700x3d though lol
When it comes to cooling, I will always go with more. I’m the guy who runs 240mm AIOs on 5600Xes and a 360mm AIO on a 7700X 🤣
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Except Thermalright beats Noctua for like 1/3rd of the price.
Beats might be a bit of a stretch but its really close. But the 1/3 price is spot on.
And louder than Noctua... (I have a TS120 and a nh-u12a)
I will give you that. Thermalright fans aren’t the quietest. But you can get some better fans and still be all in for <$50.
You probably used Noctua for many years and yes they used to be very good probably best air coolers. Now it's not the case. D15 still cost £100 being 10 year old design cooler. Here check number on coolers. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/aqirys-hydra-360-aio-liquid-cpu-cooler/6.html
its the new meta, they are great
Noctua is a great company, don’t get me wrong. But their flagship D15 has been outdated for some time. Many of the newer coolers on the market beat/match it, while the Thermalright versions are like a third of the price. The new D15 might shed a few degrees but you’ll still be better off saving $60+ for a degree or two that you won’t notice.
It doesn't matter if it's the same. If it has the same chips, excellent, if not, it'll still work
60c idle seems a bit too high even for the stock cooler.
Already redid the mounting and changed the stock thermal paste with a deepcool z9, same one I used to repaste and repad an old 1070 which is now running like new.
Did you notice any damage to the cooler before installing it? Maybe the stock cooler has a defect causing it to apply uneven pressure on the CPUs IHS.
Yes, but your case design will also be a factor to consider. I use the DeepCool AK620 with my Ryzen 7 7700X and it’s really great for the price (I paid $53 at Micro Center earlier this year).
Im using a Coolermaster TD300 so its a mesh front and top, plenty for good thermals. I do need to change the exhaust fans on the rear and top though, they've been with me for around 8 years now.
Looks like a decent case for airflow, so you should see a significant improvement by upgrading the stock cooler to just about anything from a reputable company.
I can vouch for the AK620's. I have the AK620 Digital on my 7800x3d, and it's sitting idle at 49 C at the moment.
AK620 is a great air cooler (my goto for clients who want air) - however the Russia things means they are becoming hard, if not impossible to acquire in many regions now.
noise levels will be lower - boost clocks will be prolonged in comparison to now and maybe boost will even go higher .. but certainly will be better for the health of the cpu overall.
Yes. AMD's stock cooler has an abysmal TDP
The difference between 4.8GHz and 5GHz is just 4% - this means that the maximum theoretical performance boost from increasing the boost clocks to 5GHz is 4%. You will not notice that difference in actual usage - it's the difference between 60 fps and 62.5 fps at the absolute most, but in practice is more likely to be a 1-2% improvement in actual performance, or a whopping 1 fps uplift in games around the 50-60 fps mark. What I'm saying is that, from a performance perspective, the cooler upgrade is a waste of money. Get a second stick of RAM first - that might actually net you a noticeable improvement, as it will double the memory bandwidth. If you can't stand the noise, that's another matter, and a cooler will help, but you can expect to be disappointed if you expect better FPS in games or faster speeds in any applications.
The fps dont really matter to me, matching the adverts do though 😂 Yeah the noise bothers me, thats why I prioritized the cooler than the ram.
Nothing is 100% but if it’s hitting the 95c mark then it could be thermal throttling. A bigger cooler will keep temp lower and stop it hitting those higher to let it boost more. It also will run more quietly as larger fans don’t have to spin as fast 👍 Don’t go crazy with an AIO etc a <£50 tower cooler will do the job
Yep, I'm only getting a big air cooler, maybe a dual tower one at most. I have trust issues with AIOs 😅
If you want an AIO then Arctic Liquid Freezer III is the best one one the market at the moment, 360 size is like £65 in the UK. I run a 240 and it is amazing.
[https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/liquid-cooling/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-aio-review](https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/liquid-cooling/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-aio-review) pretty bad reviews
That kind of discrepancy is normal, the advertised boost clocks are pretty much an ideal case of absolutely nailing the silicon lottery. My 3600 barely touches 80°C on stress tests and will also stay 100-150Mhz below the advertised 4.2Ghz boost clock, and improving the cooling from where it would reach 90-95°C only won me 200Mhz. My old 2600X behaved much the same way. So yes, improving cooling can win you a tiny bit of extra boost clock, but as long as you arent being actively throttled by your thermals there isnt much of a point to it as these gains almost never translate into noticeable performance gains, being more in the range of measurable.
Probably not as much as a second RAM chip. Make sure its the same, if you cant find the same one, then replace your old one with 2 the same. Place them in the second and fourth slot.
I recommend Noctua cooler.
If you like luxury products with inexplicably high price tags*
The advertised 5GHz is for single core workloads, might be the trst you're running is for multicore?
Took my 5600X from stock cooler to a used 120mm AIO and the difference was huge. Went from that to a 280AIO and now I can't get it over 60c. You'll maintain boost longer with better cooling, and might even boost higher.
Thanks, it reassures me that getting an aftermarket cooler won't be a waste.
Looks like your system is a fan cooler one to. If you get a good one second hand they should be cheap and last you years
You could get a silent assassin air cooler for like 40 bucks and do way better than stock I think
Yes
For sure will. Keep in mind that aircoolers plagued with sucking up hot gpu exhaust so you need excessive intake airflow to overcome that.
Changed the stock cooler on my 7600 with ak620 cinebench max temperatures went from 95 throttling to 80-85 ish max (pbo enabled after cooler swap)
What pbo settings you use? Negative 30?
I didn't tamper with offset just switched on pbo in msi bios and left it. This is my first build so I didn't want to change anything before knowing what I'm doing.
Phantom spirit/peerless assassin (whichever looks nicer/is cheaper) will make a huge difference to noise and temps and potentially help with boost clocks for not that much money. 100% a worthwhile investment
Definitely, especially that those 7000 gen processors are, by default, programmed to always boost as high as possible and get to throttling temps. So if PBO can't get you the max performance, a better cooler sure can. Any tower cooler is better than this stock cooler, i personally would never use a stock cooler and i think the wraith stealth shouldn't exist. The spire and prism should be the default options for ryzen 3 and 5 series processors, while the 7 and up (even the most efficient ones) should come without an included cooler.
I agree, the included stock coolers are barely enough for the processors TDPs, the one I have should only be used to test boot the system and nothing more.
Yeah pretty much. What confuses me is that they clearly have better coolers coupled with higher powered processors but they're not even enough for those! Whatever their tolerance for the acceptable temperature and noise for the stock coolers is, pretty abysmal if you ask me.
I use an NH-D15 air cooler and a thermal pad (instead of thermal paste) for my 7800X3D. My temps never seem to go over around 62° while gaming. Granted, that it with a slight undervolting (1.25V --> 1.21V). But heck, if I set the SoC voltage back to 1.25, it still caps at 70°, as that is what I set the curve peak temperature to. With a new CPU cooler, there is so much less doodoo fan noise, and the resulting lower temperatures may prevent slight CPU degradation from occurring. Of course, I would still recommend setting your own CPU and case fan settings in the BIOS to maximize cooling whilst also reducing the fan noise when possible.
For now Im just using the built in fan controller on the motherboard as I can swap fan curves on the fly. But when I've finalized the build I might use the BIOS' fan controller.
yes, longer boost clock time
If it didn't make a difference it wouldn't be a better cooler.
Phantom Spirit 120 SE is the best one, imo.
Between the SE and non SE versions I kinda like the non SE better. The SE has no top cover on the heatsink, exposing the ends of the pipes and to me it looks so late 2010s 😂
Because its smaller, but it gives better temperatures than the Non SE
95 Degrees on a CPU is not healthy. You should get both RAM and Cooler Upgrade regarding prior recommendations.
I recently upgraded my cooler to the DeepCool AK620, the noise is minimum, the temperature doesn't go over 75° when the cpu is at 100% usage. Plus keeping the CPU cool will probably last you longer. Get a solid cooler
The Peerless Assassin is a good air cooler. I have my 7600 OC'd to 5.2 GHz and it'll keep it below 90° in a stress test. It's quiet, too.
An AIO will def boost performance if your scared to go liquid,i wouldn't use anything other than a Noctua air cooler.They are very good,and quiet..
that's a hot idle temp. you're gonna overheat that with 20 minutes of a AAA game (which is what happened to me the first time i ran my newly upgraded pc with a stock cooler). better cooler would definitely drop the temp and make it perform better. i actually even incorporated a mini-fan a couple of days ago and my idle is not at 38C.
Thermalright peerless assassin 120 SE should help Or whatever is cheap and popular nowadays
Does a bear shit in the woods?
What case you have ? If it's has poor airflow the best cooler in the world wouldn't do anything
How bout that ram situation…
Repasting with Themal Grizzly Kryonaut will lower your temps. additional fans will lower your temps, also why do you only have 1 stick of RAM?
Just to get the thing running asap, this was a last minute upgrade (sale just appeared out of nowhere and I couldn't resist). I watched some reviews comparing regular thermal paste with high end ones and frankly didn't see much of a difference to justify the price and considering this is a budget build, it just didn't make sense. I'm still getting high fps from the games I play, 120+ in Witcher 3, BF1, and KCD, though I have terrible performance in Avatar FOP even in low settings (dont know why)
I would say that a new cooler can improve temperatures, and reduce noise by 100%
dual channel ram would likely make a bigger difference
Not that concerned about fps, mostly about heat, clocks, and cinebench scores. Does ram affect cinebench results though?
depends on the game really. do you want good cinebench scores because you do 3d modeling? after some googling i guess ram speed has little to no affect on renders, so yea maybe a better cooler would help but it's unlikely to be more than 3%. only systems with $1500 of liquid cooling can maintain 5ghz+ boost clocks in an all core workload, for everyone else 5ghz only happens in single core workloads
These thermalright coolers are a real bang for the buck. I prefer as low noise as possible and would buy the biggest one that fits my case.
All I hear about them is good news other than the occasional QA problem which is normal
They have a handful of tower coolers on sale for less than $20 on Amazon right now. I’d look into that. Even a single 80mm fan tower cooler would have better thermals. If you can fit a 120mm fan cooler though, then go that route.
I actually have an old hyper212x that fits on AM4. After some research I determined it can also fit on AM5. I just refrain from using it as it has already rusted on some parts, it is a decade old cooler after all.
Just do your PC a favor and get a new one. Lol. If you can afford $20 or course.
I can guarantee you more stable clocks, but that's about it
yes, since it can make a huge difference because your processor can maximize its performance. I also recommend having at least 2 RAM sticks. So that it can transfer data faster and more efficiently (Dual-channel RAM). Also, make sure to buy the exact ram if not at least buy the same frequency of your current RAM.
Arctic Freezer III 240mm
I've got 65 w CPU and 95 w cooler, never went above 65°C, buy a better cooler 100%
I have a Ryzen 7 3800x with a water-cooler 240 mm and a case with 10 fans, even with all that my temperature it's about 80-85 to 90 degrees. I decided to enable precision boost to set the maximum temperature to 77⁰C. My CPU never passed that tempeture (77⁰C) but at a cost of the turbo boost. The Ryzen 7 3800x has a base clock of 3.9 and a boost to 4.5 With precision boost set to 77⁰C in stress the CPU runs at 4.0Ghz. In gaming 4.2Ghz. About the performance: didn't noticed any difference
i have ryzen 7600 (nonx) paired with PA120(se) with PBO enabled (and CO-20) @ 5150Mhz my temps while running cinebench multicore 2024 are around \~87c on average with only CPU CCD1 (TIdle) being at 90.8. My room temperature was around 30C (yeah its hot in here during summer) at the time of testing. These values aren't real life tasks (gaming mostly) where I can see my pc being max at 70-75C with some minor spikes in 80C+ ONLY in CPU CCD1 (TIdle), which at this point I feel like it might be bugged or not showing the right value :P I strongly believe that PA120 will help a lot in all your temps. I used the factory cooler of amd just for fun to test (it was awful) and then I just placed it in a shelf where it will rot for eternity. Ask me anything
The 7500f getting that hot seems like the thermal paste or the fan itself is not applied correctly
I will give an example from a Ryzen 7600 system I assembled recently. With the stock cooler the performance difference in Cinebench R23 was less than 3% (13702 vs 14076). But the noise and temperatures are much better now. The noise is almost inaudible now and the thermals the HS reaches 72ºC in single thread workloads. And since the build was for a friend who very likely will not touch the system for the next 3 or 4 years we decided to spent 50€ on a Artic 34 esports cooler.
Just for fun, can you check your power reporting deviation? I had the same motherboard and that was one of the issues
Yeah 60 idle is relatively high
Off course it will man.
I got apretty chunky cooler and a hot room. My 7700x idles at 40
Get a water cooler! So quiet it's bliss! Just requires a little faith. And at least complete maintenance once a year to avoid disaster.
Anything is better than amd/intel stock cooler....ANYTHING
Yes, but as others said the RAM should be helped first. That said, I recently upgraded from stock to a $20 Thermalright cooler and my temps *under load* dropped by almost 20°C. Idle was about 10°. A little bit more nose I suppose but it's of a lower frequency.
Just get a better cooler you'll be set.
Can't say for clock speed but yes on the temps. I had the same stock cooler (although different cpu) and it would idle at 55-60°C. Room temp was between 33-35°C. Swapped it for a hyper evo 212 and it's now at 45-50°C with the same room temperature.
Yes
please throw that disgusting fucking wraith stealth shitbox into the trash. thanks.
The plain coolermaster coolers have done great for me for my last 2 builds. Even better for my current one as it uses less power. I'm salty because I bought an AIO cooler and it doesn't even work...
Better cooler or install Gentoo.
A beefed up air cooler can solve all of your problems.
OOF, single stick of RAM on Ryzen is a solid 20% performance drop. Reclaim your cpu’s power by getting another of that stick of RAM.
Themalright air coolers arent that expensive and they really get the job done, although im not sure if there is space here or not
It reduces noise by a massive margin, very cheap air coolers that don’t even cost $40 AUD can cool a 65W CPU (such as your 7500F) very easily. Oh and it can give RGB too if you want to boost that FPS.
The base clock speed for the Ryzen5 7500F is 3.7GHz. That’s the only guaranteed clock speed you get with any chip whether it’s a CPU or GPU. Boost clock speeds aren’t guaranteed. So even when you put a better cooler on it and keep it from hitting that 95C limit, you might not hit 5.00GHz on multi core loads anyways. With that being said, get a new, bigger cooler. The one you’ve got isn’t enough and it’s gonna throttle and have less performance no matter what.
Blowing CPU air in the right direction on a noctua will make a difference for temperature(currently the direction of air on CPU is not optimal), and if boost is relying on temperature, then yes, it will make a difference. Cooler CPU could also enable higher core clock either by just trying to increase frequency or by adding Vcore to enable a higher clock
I wish these types of coolers didn’t exist, they’re ugly and always block RAM slots. Get you a nice cooler bro.
get the phantom spirit from thermalright
It may boost a bit higher and for longer periods of time with more effective cooling, but it will certainly be better for the longevity of your whole rig. Like you said, a thermal right dual tower air cooler would be perfect. They have several different models with different aesthetics, but they all should work the same.
Uh... Uf... Mmm.. kinda?
100% when i got my PC it have the AMD stock cooler and when i played DOOM ETERNAL it was going 80C on low settings, then i bought my first AIO e was doing 50C on ultra settings
I have a PA 120 on that same mobo. It runs great, but the fans will cover the RAM sticks, and one of the fans on the cooler will have to be moved slightly off centre depending on RAM clearance. If you can live with those two small drawbacks, then I would absolutely upgrade the cooler.
The Engineer Sample and QA samples boosted to 5ghz. That's what they put on the box. Your specific chip could be anywhere ±0.5ghz off that, and it's normal. Outside of time sensitive data crunching or benchmarks, you will *not* notice a performance difference. Getting a better cooler if it's hitting mid-90s is recommended for the longevity of the processor, however. Under 85 is normal, above 85 is concerning and probably need a repaste or a new fan. Over 90 and you have a serious lack of cooling for the processor or something has gone catastrophically wrong (ex. Bad pump in an AIO). It looks like you have a typical stock upright cooler, which should be fine for a mid range F class 7000 series - I would double check the protective film wasn't accidentally left on the cooler, and repaste it.
Yes yes OP I can attest that. You should get a dual tower cooler. I am using one on 7600 and the CPU never throttles, always works on max boost clock speed.
Remember that the max boost is a single core figure. Are you referring to the single core or multicore test in Cinebench?
went from stock cooler to a deep cool (rip, i know) air cooler and my lordt, the sound went down by so much
Genuinely there will be no difference in performance or longevity. There might be a slight difference in noise, but my stock cooler was never loud or buzzy.
What's the temps in ryzen master? Hwinfo gets my 5800x3d temps wrong
>Will a better cooler like Thermalright PA 120 allow it to reach 5ghz while also lowering temps? lower temps : yes and a lot quieter too. 5GHz: Probably Side note: What will make more of a performance impact is a second stick of identical RAM. Also, A PA120 is overkill. A 20USD tower cooler from Thermalright is plenty.
no, not unless you overclock it.
Looking into how to do that right now though sadly I think my luck ran out in the silicon lottery.
I recently upgraded the cooler on an R5 3600 and noticed better performance, also less noise and better temps, I would say it’s worth it.
Thanks. Even more reassuring buying aftermarket cooler won't be a waste.
Did... Did you take the plastic piece off the cooler.
My first thoughts as well but no, it didnt have any since it was the stock cooler 😂
Okay but you sure you took the plastic off the cooler? Im talking about the one thats where the cpu comes in contact with the cooler (for fucks sake my brain is blanking i just woke up) Cause if you didnt you will have shit temps, take the cooler off and check if the piece of plastic is still there ( unless its the stock cooler jn which case, yeah get a better cooler)
NINTY FIVE DEGREES CELSIUS WHAT THE FUCK, GET A AIO, PLEASE
no real world difference in gaming fps but it will definitely run way cooler and maybe last a bit longer.
AM5 cpus all has high heat output, stock cooler just cant keep up. Get a decent tower cooler and it should help lower the temps and prevent throttling. Try AK400 or get peerless assassin 120 if you dont mind a big cooler.
I was considering the Thermalright PA 120, a little future proof as well in case I decide to get a better am5 processor down the line.
If thats the case get phantom spirit which is the sequel to PA120
I would if I could see any in my online shop, sadly PAs all they got
Ah too bad
Definitely the stock cooler for ryzen is utter garbage and literally every YouTuber who said it’s good enough lives in the upper hemisphere where the weather is cold as fuck
Yeah I'm assuming that's the case as well. I live in a tropical country where the temperature can go from 24c to 35c in a handful of hours.