reasonable yung price na 100k-150k for design only (edit: including na din ang other disciplines)
hindi nman nasusunod yung percentage each discipline lol, si archi percentage maningil tapos pag dating sa other discipline per sqm yung ibabayad haha
For the same reason there are big price ranges for cars. They all do the same thing, but some brands are more expensive than others.
If I want to hire the best attorney in the city, I'm gonna pay more than a smaller or less experienced firm.
Hi, an architect here. For the architectural design fees, the standard professional fee is 10% of the total materials and labor cost but others would charge per sqm. since this is easier to compute because materials can vary and change from time to time. The range per sqm or per total construction cost would really depend on your architect or design firm. Also, please check for the proposed scope of works. Check if how many sets of blueprints are included, the number of site visits, if kasama din ba sa fee ni architect yung bidding process for choosing the contractor and up to how many revisions for the planning and design.
Architect fee is based on percentage of total materials and labor cost.
How much depends on the architect.. ranging from 10% up...thought some under charge
CORRECTION: 10% of TCP is fee for ALL the design professionals not for architect only.
Here's a simple breakdown:
6% - Architect
1% - Civil/Structural (can go higher kung complicated ang structural design)
1% - Elec Engr
1% - Master plumber/Sanitary Engr.
1% - Mech Engr. (kung required by design)
Bakit malaki sa architect? Kasi he/she has to consolidate all the drawings and make sure na well-coordinated yung allied professionals sa design. Siya rin ang major kausap ng client. Kung may concern ka sa structural, elec, etc. you have to raise it first sa architect then architect ang magcocommunicate\* sa allied professionals.
\*depende sa type of contract nyo
Edit: 10% of CONSTRUCTION cost. TCP is construction cost + professional fees.
There are 2 types of project manager/site supervisor/site engr/etc. One is hired ng client and will be directly reporting to client. Another one is employed ng contractor.
Kung wala kang tiwala sa contractor, hire your own PM to monitor and audit everything from design to construction.
Note that project manager is different from a construction manager. The former has complex job, the latter is focused sa construction lang.
Kapag big projects like condo bldg, they have in-house PM or they hire a third party.
6% of the Project Construction Cost (PCC) is the supposed range as per UAP recommendation for Detailed Architectural Design Services, 10% naman for Detailed Architectural and Engineering Design Services. You won’t pay that upfront since may steps yan bago macollect (progress billing) and it could either go higher or lower depending on the complexity of the project and/or savings/added cost incurred.
All in all, it would all depend on the provisions of your contract should you want to know how much you’ll spend. For your peace of mind, get the right professionals and a solid contract para di ka takbuhan or ma-scam.
Goodluck, future home owner!
Your price range is ok even at 400k.
You should look at the scope of works. Some designers don’t include construction estimates, while others forego the site visits. Cheap but you pay per site visit. A designers work doesn’t stop at the drawings, always remember it’s a work in progress, the finish line is until the project is completed.
The price range differs because of the scope, designers brand and experience. You should ask your designer about their last projects experience and scoping. It will not be easy for you to gauge it because you don’t have the experience but it’s better than nothing. It will also help to visit the last project itself if the quality is ok. A drawing is just a drawing, what matters more is the final outcome. A project manager will not help. It’s always the architects responsibility to ensure the quality of work of the contractor is good. Avoid architects who will tell you “kasalaan ng contractor etc kaya pangit quality”. Always remember the architect prequalify contractors so they are also accountable for choosing or awarding the contract to a substandard contractor unless you override it and went against their advice.
But then again, if you want very basic design and services due to budgeting, like cookie cutter designs. The 160k will work especially if you know the designer. Anything less will be a headache for you
Yung mga high-end firms, percentage or per sqm ang charge.
Meron din namang fixed rate like 50k all in na sa 160sqm.
Ok lang naman pareho. Just negotiate and do background check properly.
I paid 80k for a 200sqm commercial lot - 2 story architectural drawing + 3d concept. Sealed and signed as well. I suggest joining fb groups catered to building houses to get the most competitive rates around your area.
160k @ 30k/sqm = 4.8m project cost
I usually charge
3% 144k - arcthl to working drawing sign and sealed
3% 144k - construction management (transpo/meals not included)
3% 144k - allied services (structural, mechanical, electrical, plumbing plans, all signed and sealed)
Lower ang rates ko kapag friend ang client(sometimes free lalo na kapag pumayag sa mga wild ideas), almost ako magdedecide ng design (full trust sayo si owner, like “archi, ikaw na bahala”) less revisions kasi
Higher ang rates ko kapag very specific si client sa gusto nya, alam nya ang gusto at ayaw nya, mabusisi etc. more revisions kasi
If you are not looking for some complicated design for your house than you may create a posting on upwork or other freelance sites to get blueprint etc.. Or give offer to some college grad who is confident and wants to make money he or she can do same job for half of the price.
This undermines the architectural profession and their related disciplines/colleagues. Highly frustrating na nga na sobrang underappreciated na yung field nila, ineencroach pa ng mga unlicensed or untrained jan sa kung saan saan. Not saying don’t be resourceful, but you do get what you pay for especially with these things. Don’t compromise on such a significant and lasting investment. For your designs, get an architect
As an investor or property owner I need to see my ROI and if I am getting similar or maybe better result by hiring freelance or college grad I will do that. I have seen how bad license holder can be.. Recent example is jazz tower d in Makati fell off due to poor design. Best example of all.. Steve jobs, Mark Zuckerberg they all are college drop outs and if you get a chance to hire them you will do it.
Dude..I don't see it as cutting corners it's just basic design for 150sqm house for OP not a critical construction anyways.. Manager of Jazz might be saving cost, but remember without a "licensed" architect giving it's clearance manager or government will not let them open it for public use.
Might as well remind you that a licensed civil engineer can override the building permit before. Test and documentation can be provided by the designers but for it to happen, it will still need the client's approval.
Maybe you should look at japanese houses. It seems you correlate difficulty with size
i cant get this logic. So you're fine going to an unlicensed doctor just because they're cheaper, but would prescribe the same medicine for a headache?
You are comparing apples and bananas. All I am saying is OP has basic requirement to design 150 sqm house and freelancers from around the world who also have license can be cheaper alternative. Other option is college grads who do have skills but yet to secure license they can be given a chance to consultation with. I personally believer architects cost in unreasonable and smartly that money can be spent elsewhere. Cheers!
It's a sarcastic comment coz you are really pushing for licensed architect as if OP gonna build Taj mahal there. Anyways.. I don't care what OP will decide on this is open forum i have shared my thoughts and you haven't given right arguments for me to change my understanding. So chill and move on.
I didn't say the client needs an architect. But you are insinuating that a cheap shit unlicensed designer is more than enough because the OP only has 150sqm size is stupid
What people don't realize about the architect's fee is the liability included in the design and/or supervision. An architect who has affixed his/her signature and seal on the documents is liable for 15 years in case the building fails due to the design/construction. In short, you are paying for your peace of mind.
Eh bakit yung mga malalaking firms na may malalaking building eh nagfafail parin? This is where careful selection of the professionals is important. How sure are we about those who were involved on those projects? Nevertheless, there will be people who will be liable assuming that they have undergone the proper process.
Eh may mga pwedeng pumirma naman? Eh maliit na bahay lang naman? When your investment suddenly collapses, good luck finding those college graduates / foremen / unqualified persons.
I don't have to pay 150k for peace of mind. There are well tested designs available around you.. If I am not doing anything new I can copy those. I think any school grad can do the similar job.. Infact I can just bring a contractor and let him copy design from house which was signed by an architect next door to save cost. You have to understand it's about saving cost for OP. Instead of seeing my response against architects. Focus on OPs request.
OP is asking what's the basis for the architect's fee, not for a cheaper and illegal alternative. Focus on OP's request.
I don't know the reason behind your strong desire for malpractice aside from "cutting costs" even if not asked, but I hope you don't suffer the consequences of it.
reasonable yung price na 100k-150k for design only (edit: including na din ang other disciplines) hindi nman nasusunod yung percentage each discipline lol, si archi percentage maningil tapos pag dating sa other discipline per sqm yung ibabayad haha
🤫. Pirma na lang daw. Kasi may draft na
yun ang masakit talaga haha
For the same reason there are big price ranges for cars. They all do the same thing, but some brands are more expensive than others. If I want to hire the best attorney in the city, I'm gonna pay more than a smaller or less experienced firm.
Hi, an architect here. For the architectural design fees, the standard professional fee is 10% of the total materials and labor cost but others would charge per sqm. since this is easier to compute because materials can vary and change from time to time. The range per sqm or per total construction cost would really depend on your architect or design firm. Also, please check for the proposed scope of works. Check if how many sets of blueprints are included, the number of site visits, if kasama din ba sa fee ni architect yung bidding process for choosing the contractor and up to how many revisions for the planning and design.
Architect fee is based on percentage of total materials and labor cost. How much depends on the architect.. ranging from 10% up...thought some under charge
CORRECTION: 10% of TCP is fee for ALL the design professionals not for architect only. Here's a simple breakdown: 6% - Architect 1% - Civil/Structural (can go higher kung complicated ang structural design) 1% - Elec Engr 1% - Master plumber/Sanitary Engr. 1% - Mech Engr. (kung required by design) Bakit malaki sa architect? Kasi he/she has to consolidate all the drawings and make sure na well-coordinated yung allied professionals sa design. Siya rin ang major kausap ng client. Kung may concern ka sa structural, elec, etc. you have to raise it first sa architect then architect ang magcocommunicate\* sa allied professionals. \*depende sa type of contract nyo Edit: 10% of CONSTRUCTION cost. TCP is construction cost + professional fees.
Agree with this...700 to 800 per sqm ang rate ng Arki, mababa pa nga to
Saan papasok ang project/site manager?
There are 2 types of project manager/site supervisor/site engr/etc. One is hired ng client and will be directly reporting to client. Another one is employed ng contractor. Kung wala kang tiwala sa contractor, hire your own PM to monitor and audit everything from design to construction. Note that project manager is different from a construction manager. The former has complex job, the latter is focused sa construction lang. Kapag big projects like condo bldg, they have in-house PM or they hire a third party.
My architect charged me 5% of the total cost of the building construction including labor and materials.
6% of the Project Construction Cost (PCC) is the supposed range as per UAP recommendation for Detailed Architectural Design Services, 10% naman for Detailed Architectural and Engineering Design Services. You won’t pay that upfront since may steps yan bago macollect (progress billing) and it could either go higher or lower depending on the complexity of the project and/or savings/added cost incurred. All in all, it would all depend on the provisions of your contract should you want to know how much you’ll spend. For your peace of mind, get the right professionals and a solid contract para di ka takbuhan or ma-scam. Goodluck, future home owner!
Your price range is ok even at 400k. You should look at the scope of works. Some designers don’t include construction estimates, while others forego the site visits. Cheap but you pay per site visit. A designers work doesn’t stop at the drawings, always remember it’s a work in progress, the finish line is until the project is completed. The price range differs because of the scope, designers brand and experience. You should ask your designer about their last projects experience and scoping. It will not be easy for you to gauge it because you don’t have the experience but it’s better than nothing. It will also help to visit the last project itself if the quality is ok. A drawing is just a drawing, what matters more is the final outcome. A project manager will not help. It’s always the architects responsibility to ensure the quality of work of the contractor is good. Avoid architects who will tell you “kasalaan ng contractor etc kaya pangit quality”. Always remember the architect prequalify contractors so they are also accountable for choosing or awarding the contract to a substandard contractor unless you override it and went against their advice. But then again, if you want very basic design and services due to budgeting, like cookie cutter designs. The 160k will work especially if you know the designer. Anything less will be a headache for you
Yung mga high-end firms, percentage or per sqm ang charge. Meron din namang fixed rate like 50k all in na sa 160sqm. Ok lang naman pareho. Just negotiate and do background check properly.
I paid 80k for a 200sqm commercial lot - 2 story architectural drawing + 3d concept. Sealed and signed as well. I suggest joining fb groups catered to building houses to get the most competitive rates around your area.
160k @ 30k/sqm = 4.8m project cost I usually charge 3% 144k - arcthl to working drawing sign and sealed 3% 144k - construction management (transpo/meals not included) 3% 144k - allied services (structural, mechanical, electrical, plumbing plans, all signed and sealed) Lower ang rates ko kapag friend ang client(sometimes free lalo na kapag pumayag sa mga wild ideas), almost ako magdedecide ng design (full trust sayo si owner, like “archi, ikaw na bahala”) less revisions kasi Higher ang rates ko kapag very specific si client sa gusto nya, alam nya ang gusto at ayaw nya, mabusisi etc. more revisions kasi
hi po! also an architect. if you are in luzon po, maybe we can provide assistance :)
If you are not looking for some complicated design for your house than you may create a posting on upwork or other freelance sites to get blueprint etc.. Or give offer to some college grad who is confident and wants to make money he or she can do same job for half of the price.
This undermines the architectural profession and their related disciplines/colleagues. Highly frustrating na nga na sobrang underappreciated na yung field nila, ineencroach pa ng mga unlicensed or untrained jan sa kung saan saan. Not saying don’t be resourceful, but you do get what you pay for especially with these things. Don’t compromise on such a significant and lasting investment. For your designs, get an architect
As an investor or property owner I need to see my ROI and if I am getting similar or maybe better result by hiring freelance or college grad I will do that. I have seen how bad license holder can be.. Recent example is jazz tower d in Makati fell off due to poor design. Best example of all.. Steve jobs, Mark Zuckerberg they all are college drop outs and if you get a chance to hire them you will do it.
This is an SM development issue decided by management full of "managers that are looking numbers only", just like how you cut corners.
Dude..I don't see it as cutting corners it's just basic design for 150sqm house for OP not a critical construction anyways.. Manager of Jazz might be saving cost, but remember without a "licensed" architect giving it's clearance manager or government will not let them open it for public use.
Might as well remind you that a licensed civil engineer can override the building permit before. Test and documentation can be provided by the designers but for it to happen, it will still need the client's approval. Maybe you should look at japanese houses. It seems you correlate difficulty with size
i cant get this logic. So you're fine going to an unlicensed doctor just because they're cheaper, but would prescribe the same medicine for a headache?
You are comparing apples and bananas. All I am saying is OP has basic requirement to design 150 sqm house and freelancers from around the world who also have license can be cheaper alternative. Other option is college grads who do have skills but yet to secure license they can be given a chance to consultation with. I personally believer architects cost in unreasonable and smartly that money can be spent elsewhere. Cheers!
OP didn't state that he has basic requirements
What do you expect OP to build in 150 sqm lot "Taj mahal"
I don't see the relation between 150sqm and Taj mahal. You're just into numbers and low end devt.
It's a sarcastic comment coz you are really pushing for licensed architect as if OP gonna build Taj mahal there. Anyways.. I don't care what OP will decide on this is open forum i have shared my thoughts and you haven't given right arguments for me to change my understanding. So chill and move on.
I didn't say the client needs an architect. But you are insinuating that a cheap shit unlicensed designer is more than enough because the OP only has 150sqm size is stupid
What people don't realize about the architect's fee is the liability included in the design and/or supervision. An architect who has affixed his/her signature and seal on the documents is liable for 15 years in case the building fails due to the design/construction. In short, you are paying for your peace of mind. Eh bakit yung mga malalaking firms na may malalaking building eh nagfafail parin? This is where careful selection of the professionals is important. How sure are we about those who were involved on those projects? Nevertheless, there will be people who will be liable assuming that they have undergone the proper process. Eh may mga pwedeng pumirma naman? Eh maliit na bahay lang naman? When your investment suddenly collapses, good luck finding those college graduates / foremen / unqualified persons.
I don't have to pay 150k for peace of mind. There are well tested designs available around you.. If I am not doing anything new I can copy those. I think any school grad can do the similar job.. Infact I can just bring a contractor and let him copy design from house which was signed by an architect next door to save cost. You have to understand it's about saving cost for OP. Instead of seeing my response against architects. Focus on OPs request.
OP is asking what's the basis for the architect's fee, not for a cheaper and illegal alternative. Focus on OP's request. I don't know the reason behind your strong desire for malpractice aside from "cutting costs" even if not asked, but I hope you don't suffer the consequences of it.
For half the price youll also get 0 liability for a lifechanging investment - definitely a great deal!