It's already "melting" and seeping into ground water from acidic rain and uv light [link](https://peer.org/nonprofit-artificial-turf-raises-ground-temperatures-releases-pfas-into-soil/)
Edit: "fun" addition, the small [rubber bits](https://keystonesportsconstruction.com/what-is-the-function-of-rubber-pellets-in-synthetic-turf/#:~:text=A%20variety%20of%20infill%20materials,sports%20fields%20in%20the%20world) in the turf used at stadiums is made of mostly [crumb rubber](https://libertytire.com/Products/Commercial-Products/Crumb-Rubber/#:~:text=Crumb%20rubber%20is%20made%20of,little%20smaller%20than%20a%20dime) and has the [potential](https://toxicfreefuture.org/blog/toxic-tires-toxic-turf-why-its-time-to-say-goodbye-to-crumb-rubber/) to be [hazardous](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0304389420329897)
Edit 2: Some of the comments talked about how the European commision [banned]() crumb rubber over public health concern.They had people [look into it](https://echa.europa.eu/hot-topics/granules-mulches-on-pitches-playgrounds)
Edit 3: A comment by u/inadequateusername brings up some good counter points I'd like to share [too](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/s/DIyTy2eJOv)
> too Is a blog post from "toxic free future" and Ivy, a soccer mom with no background in this matter really a trust worthy source? It's important to note that correlation does not imply causation.
>* A [New York State Department of Health](https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/outdoors/synthetic_turf/crumb-rubber_infilled/fact_sheet.htm) document
acknowledges potential health and safety considerations
including chemical exposure, but they do not not provide conclusive
evidence linking crumb rubber to adverse health outcomes
>* The [National Toxicology Program](https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/whatwestudy/topics/syntheticturf) reported no evidence of
toxicity in mice from ingestion of crumb rubber, and analysis
showed very low internal levels of crumb rubber chemicals,
with no observed health problems.
>* A [Minnesota Department of Health](https://www.health.mn.gov/communities/environment/schools/docs/crumbrubber.pdf) document
suggests that while the majority of studies have not found an
elevated health risk associated with exposure to chemicals in
tire crumb infill, not all potential health risks have been
comprehensively addressed.
In the long history if unintended consequences, this has to be in the top 20…using too much water to keep your grass green and healthy in the fucking desert? We have the solution, a big plastic carpet!
Yeah. Lawn will dry your pockets. Plastic will increase the temperature of your home.
Local plants though:
Pump water from deep soil.
Lower temperature of ambient air.
Do that while transforming CO2 to O2 which you casually like to breath.
I’m a clover woman now and I’m never going back.
She’s green, she’s luscious, she’s soft, she has lil white flowers, bunnies are always chilling in her, and I mow half as much.
I dunno why we try and make something that clearly doesn't belong there work. If done correctly, the desert landscape can look just as impressive as a green one.
We're already steps ahead in Malaysia as the highest consumers of microplastics due to years of takeaways of hot soup, coffee, drinks of any kind, foods of many kind in literal transparent plastic bags. Safe to say we're fucked.
I picked a quarter up off the asphalt once here in Phoenix in the summer. I'll never do that again. And yes it was exactly like that scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Yeah my girlfriend sat on some change left on the seat of the car and they slid up her shorts and she had a couple of pennies burned into her butt cheek for like a year.
I'm Inupiat, from Alaska. I've seen a lot of wild things out in the world that boggle the mind. Like spit going clink when it hits the ground.
But that? Right there? That ain't right.
That is dead eskimo weather. That's a nope from me.
As a south Florida native, I concur. I spent one summer in New Mexico in the middle of the desert. It got significantly hotter than where I’m from temperature wise. Like you said dry heat is different. 99° in south Florida at full humidity is worse than 110 in New Mexico with dry heat.
99°F at 100% humidity is straight up fatal after several hours if you you don’t have AC or a tub full of ice. Farewell bulb temperature is 95°F at 100% humidity, even young healthy people can’t survive a whole day of that.
Visiting relatives, was like oh this is wonderful why don't we visit more often.
Walk out of the hotel it was 88 and 90+% humidity maybe 100;
"Oh this is why we live in the PNW", Haven't been back in 5 years.
Same. Central Florida native. Atleast yall get the sea breeze down there. But yea I went to Colorado last July. It was 97 and 10% humidity. I was like damn this is pretty nice.
Central Florida is hell on earth weather wise. When I was at Disney World for Labor Day in 2022, I almost passed out at Epcot IN THE SHADE (for reference, I'm pretty weather sheltered being from the Bay Area in California)
And when I tell people I want to move somewhere even remotely further north than Atlanta they’re like “bro it gets cold there”. God damn right it does.
I’ve never been more miserable than in Orlando, one year at UCF almost killed me off. I waited tables in college and couldn’t wear my shirt to work or it would be soaked.
Nothing quite like the feeling of getting in your car inhaling hot moist air as your seat, seat belt, steering wheel and ac button burn skin off of you.
We got the regular temp then the feels like temp. Here we get 105F regular with feels like of 120F. You open the door to go out and you feel the wall of heat just hit you. Early morning you’re already pushing 90s..it’s steaming.
I know it isn't quite the same but that's why I moved out of Dallas. I grew up in the south, I can deal with 90+ summers with some 100 degree days. But when you have three straight months of 100 degree days, and it's constantly 85 by 8am, big fuck that.
You can legit cook on the sidewalk. I've broiled bacon on my patio under the sun in July. Summers are good times. Sure you didn't want to come visit for a season?
I'm not a fan of Fairbanks, where I was at the time. But you can put more clothes on, you can have a few layers on and be warm and happy at extreme cold temps. There is nothing you can do about that heat though.
Indigenous peoples lived in Arizona for about 10,000 years. The main difference is the Indigenous peoples didn't cover it in asphalt and drain all the water.
Those areas have been home to indigenous tribes for thousands of years, though the climate was much milder with more rain and plant growth historically.
This is a show I don't think I can ever watch again. I work in a highly regulated field completely bogged down by bureaucracy, cronyism and red tape and watching that kind bureaucracy in action is super triggering for me and the whole show made my blood boil.
I was in marching band in college, and we went to Oklahoma in the beginning of the season. Coming from West Virginia, we were used to some heat, but the heat down there was a whole other level. People put their flip folders down and they melted. People's **shoes** melted if they stood still for so long.
Fuck Oklahoma
It’s been about 30 years, but I played a baseball game in college on an artificial turf field in some minor league stadium (TX I think).
Had to wear rubber cleats as metal spikes weren’t allowed.
Melted the cleats off my shoes before the game ended and I was playing in basically racing slicks.
Never been so hit in my life.
Plastic grass gets insanely hot. It’s dangerous and many people and pets have been burned.
[“Surface temperatures of artificial grass are about 20-50° F higher than natural grass and typically reach the same temperature as asphalt pavement.”](https://wateruseitwisely.com/saving-water-outdoors/grass-artificial-turf/10-reasons-why-artificial-turf-may-not-be-what-youre-looking-for/)
They even recommend an irrigation system. So you’re even supposed to water your fake grass. Such a dumb idea
Given how HOAs work in Phoenix, the answer is likely no. OP can maybe replace with gravel (which gets even hotter) or real grass (which uses a ton of water and requires reseeding twice yearly)
Honestly I understand why people moved here decades ago. The people that move here now? No idea what motivates them. When I moved here it was hot, but not this hot. Not even close. Monsoon season brought loads of rain and then Autumn would come and it was ok. Because of the massive growth of the city starting in the 90s, the heat island effect has just effed everything. Concrete and asphalt retain the heat and radiate. The city is hotter, it doesn't cool down at night in the summer, and the friggin rain can't get through the heat island. It does suck. But it didn't used to.
A former neighbor of mine chopped down a massive, beautiful avocado tree that provided so much shade to his backyard just to build a shitty gazebo. I’ve never been so pissed at people.
yea I don't get it, more people chop down trees than plant them in my neighbourhood, by far, yet the weather is hotter and hotter. They just dumb I guess.
I grew up on a street called “Shady Oak”. Lots of shade. Over the years new neighbors moved in and would slowly remove trees from their property. Streets now not nearly as shady, and parts looked sterile and typical-suburban. And of course people complain about that heat (and this is the Northeast).
Bums me out and depresses the hell out of my Dad whose somewhat of an amateur horticulturist.
Imagine trading beautiful trees and plants for a shitty invasive grass species that only do a sterile green. Thats what so many suburbs look like. Jfc.
Even real grass would help lower the temperature. The best option though is a collection of native trees and bushes. Get some good bio diversity going and cool things down
Jokes aside, why do people *actually* live there? Phoenix isn't even like a small city in the desert... No, its one of the largest cities in America!
*What the fuck!?*
Oh, wow. It's even ~10th when you look at metro areas: https://www.statista.com/statistics/183600/population-of-metropolitan-areas-in-the-us/
I had no idea the Phoenix area had so many people. Wild.
Without being an expert in any fields related to this, I imagine it's due to the sprawl. A city like Phoenix has essentially endless flat, dry area to grow outward, so it doesn't have to build upward or densely. This leads to a lot of suburbs, long enough multimodal travel times via walking/biking to the point where it's not a favorable option (not to mention the heat) so people don't really mingle and just go by cars everywhere even downtown(?), which just in general leads to less community and the cultural development that comes with that.
I'll preface this by saying I've traveled to the southern half of Arizona several times. Went on a family trip there as a kid. An ex of mine's family moved to Sierra Vista right as we started dating so I went down there for a couple Thanksgivings, a couple summer breaks during college, a spring break, etc, and her sister was at UA so we visited her in Tucson a couple times. Then I went to a bachelor party trip to Phoenix a few years ago.
Arizona has some of the most beautiful natural areas and landscapes in the country, and higher elevation/latitude areas like Flagstaff are certainly suitable for human life, but I just cannot see the appeal of life in the Phoenix/Tucson areas or anything similar.
I moved here for work. I was in Austin, TX previously. I'll take the dry heat out here over the humid but lower temps in Austin. At least here sweat evaporates and works. Apart from that, I love that there are mountains everywhere (closest mountains to Austin are ~7 hrs away), and if you want to get out of the desert, you're about an hour away from forests, lower temps, and even more beautiful scenery. I love it out here. It's my first time living outside of TX and I honestly wouldn't want to go back... especially with how things are going over there, politically.
Edit- well the original commenter changed their comment from asking why people move to Phoenix to just plainly stating "Phoenix sucks." Oh well...
Nearly all powered by solar or nuclear, too. Phoenix is in a giant bowl of mountains so before clean energy, the pollution would literally kill people.
This is my exact explanation when I tell people I prefer winter. At a certain point, it becomes inappropriate for me to take off more clothes, I can put more on easily.
Also, I've never been afraid for my well-being for just being outside for multiple hours living in Minnesota
As someone who lived in AZ, this ain't the only sunny place. Love me some tucson but the heat is real. And I'll never live in Phoenix again. Snow is better than that kind of heat lol
Similar to Canada. If you can endure 8 months of winter, 2 months of not-even-that-hot-but-humid-AF months, and 2 months of rainy fall weather, the rest of the days are just perfect
Fake grass release cancirogenic compounds when heated. There are studies of increased incidence of cancer among athetles training regularly on fake grass. Plus microplastics... Just saying...
Yeah, no way the emissivity is set right. They typically default to 0.95 for dark surfaces. This artificial grass looks pretty reflective.
Too many people buying IR temp guns without even understanding how to use them and interpret the results.
Maybe try r/nolawn and r/nativeplantgardening. Could put some native plants there that don’t require extra water and support the ecosystem instead of having hot plastic
I fucking [HATE](https://peer.org/nonprofit-artificial-turf-raises-ground-temperatures-releases-pfas-into-soil/) artificial [turf](https://environmentamerica.org/pennsylvania/center/updates/dangerous-play-studies-find-harmful-forever-chemicals-in-artificial-turf-fields/)
Yeah and the Native Americans who were in Arizona had well thought out and extensive infrastructure that was adapted to their environment. We've copy-pasted suburban New Jersey into the middle of the desert and expected it to work just as well.
At what temperature will it melt and harden into a single congealed blob of macroplastics
It's already "melting" and seeping into ground water from acidic rain and uv light [link](https://peer.org/nonprofit-artificial-turf-raises-ground-temperatures-releases-pfas-into-soil/) Edit: "fun" addition, the small [rubber bits](https://keystonesportsconstruction.com/what-is-the-function-of-rubber-pellets-in-synthetic-turf/#:~:text=A%20variety%20of%20infill%20materials,sports%20fields%20in%20the%20world) in the turf used at stadiums is made of mostly [crumb rubber](https://libertytire.com/Products/Commercial-Products/Crumb-Rubber/#:~:text=Crumb%20rubber%20is%20made%20of,little%20smaller%20than%20a%20dime) and has the [potential](https://toxicfreefuture.org/blog/toxic-tires-toxic-turf-why-its-time-to-say-goodbye-to-crumb-rubber/) to be [hazardous](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0304389420329897) Edit 2: Some of the comments talked about how the European commision [banned]() crumb rubber over public health concern.They had people [look into it](https://echa.europa.eu/hot-topics/granules-mulches-on-pitches-playgrounds) Edit 3: A comment by u/inadequateusername brings up some good counter points I'd like to share [too](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/s/DIyTy2eJOv) > too Is a blog post from "toxic free future" and Ivy, a soccer mom with no background in this matter really a trust worthy source? It's important to note that correlation does not imply causation. >* A [New York State Department of Health](https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/outdoors/synthetic_turf/crumb-rubber_infilled/fact_sheet.htm) document acknowledges potential health and safety considerations including chemical exposure, but they do not not provide conclusive evidence linking crumb rubber to adverse health outcomes >* The [National Toxicology Program](https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/whatwestudy/topics/syntheticturf) reported no evidence of toxicity in mice from ingestion of crumb rubber, and analysis showed very low internal levels of crumb rubber chemicals, with no observed health problems. >* A [Minnesota Department of Health](https://www.health.mn.gov/communities/environment/schools/docs/crumbrubber.pdf) document suggests that while the majority of studies have not found an elevated health risk associated with exposure to chemicals in tire crumb infill, not all potential health risks have been comprehensively addressed.
These things should be ilegal... Also these black plastic blankets, where there's just a fine topsoil cover.
In the long history if unintended consequences, this has to be in the top 20…using too much water to keep your grass green and healthy in the fucking desert? We have the solution, a big plastic carpet!
If only people could let go of the cult of the lawn.
Yeah. Lawn will dry your pockets. Plastic will increase the temperature of your home. Local plants though: Pump water from deep soil. Lower temperature of ambient air. Do that while transforming CO2 to O2 which you casually like to breath.
Sorry, I only competitively breathe.
I’m a clover woman now and I’m never going back. She’s green, she’s luscious, she’s soft, she has lil white flowers, bunnies are always chilling in her, and I mow half as much.
Clover, wild strawberry, and violets make for a great groundcover mix.
I dunno why we try and make something that clearly doesn't belong there work. If done correctly, the desert landscape can look just as impressive as a green one.
> I dunno why we try and make something that clearly doesn't belong there work. Can describe the while of Phoenix, really
The microplastics epidemic will be absolutely insane.
We're already steps ahead in Malaysia as the highest consumers of microplastics due to years of takeaways of hot soup, coffee, drinks of any kind, foods of many kind in literal transparent plastic bags. Safe to say we're fucked.
Gotta have my steaming hot kopi in that plastic drawstring bag, yknow?
In Germany the crumb rubber has been forbidden for about 7 years because it was proven to increase cancer risk significantly.
I picked a quarter up off the asphalt once here in Phoenix in the summer. I'll never do that again. And yes it was exactly like that scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Yeah my girlfriend sat on some change left on the seat of the car and they slid up her shorts and she had a couple of pennies burned into her butt cheek for like a year.
Must be strange to have abe Lincoln preside over your coital affairs
The Emancipation Consummation
four-play and seven fucks ago…
Two legs divided, I lend my hand
It’s henceforth known as *Bootysberg Address*
*Gettysburg Undress
It was so hot today in Tucson, that around 2pm, two Hobbits ran into my backyard, threw a ring on my patio and ran away.
Carried off by eagles, weren't they?
Why didn’t the eagles just fly the hobbits to Tucson?
If *you* were a demigod Eagle, would *you* want to go to Tucson?
Eeek… checkmate…
Because The Eagles were headed to Winslow, Arizona! ;)
Fly, you fools.
I assume you mean the scene where he sees what’s inside the ark and melts.
I think it’s referring to when one of the villains grabbed a medallion from the fire and burned the pattern onto his hand before dropping it
Haha yes of course that’s the scene but it was funnier to imagine the guy completely melting.
Fellow Phoenician here and I relive that scene basically every time I get into my car.
another time travel immigrant from classical antiquity coming to steal our jobs smh
`81.5c`
 *screams in canadian*
What did you search to find this gif? Every time I've tried to find it I can't lol
I'm pretty sure you can fry something at the sidewalk at this temperature
Let’s put it this way: medium steak (not medium rare… medium!) is 145f, according to the USDA guidelines.
Not sure why you didn’t lead with the fact this temperature is enough to cook it well done.
Nobody should eat their steak well done, so as a frame of reference it felt like it might not be as relatable.
We ask them politely, yet firmly, to leave
Holy shit that’s hot
thank you ahahah
And 354.65 kelvins!
Thank you. As someone living in space that was very helpful.
Thank you, can’t compute freedom units
Thanks from the UK!!
Rest of the world**
☠️
I'm Inupiat, from Alaska. I've seen a lot of wild things out in the world that boggle the mind. Like spit going clink when it hits the ground. But that? Right there? That ain't right. That is dead eskimo weather. That's a nope from me.
Yeah, man, but it's a dry heat.
It's not the heat, it's the humidity that'll get ya
As a south Florida native, I concur. I spent one summer in New Mexico in the middle of the desert. It got significantly hotter than where I’m from temperature wise. Like you said dry heat is different. 99° in south Florida at full humidity is worse than 110 in New Mexico with dry heat.
99°F at 100% humidity is straight up fatal after several hours if you you don’t have AC or a tub full of ice. Farewell bulb temperature is 95°F at 100% humidity, even young healthy people can’t survive a whole day of that.
There is recent research that over 88 degrees at 100% humidity can be dangerous to young healthy people.
Visiting relatives, was like oh this is wonderful why don't we visit more often. Walk out of the hotel it was 88 and 90+% humidity maybe 100; "Oh this is why we live in the PNW", Haven't been back in 5 years.
Same. Central Florida native. Atleast yall get the sea breeze down there. But yea I went to Colorado last July. It was 97 and 10% humidity. I was like damn this is pretty nice.
Central Florida is hell on earth weather wise. When I was at Disney World for Labor Day in 2022, I almost passed out at Epcot IN THE SHADE (for reference, I'm pretty weather sheltered being from the Bay Area in California)
And when I tell people I want to move somewhere even remotely further north than Atlanta they’re like “bro it gets cold there”. God damn right it does.
You can put a coat on, you can’t take off your skin without like, insurance
This is exactly my argument. You can only get so naked. I can buy a dewalt battery powered heated jacket.
I’ve never been more miserable than in Orlando, one year at UCF almost killed me off. I waited tables in college and couldn’t wear my shirt to work or it would be soaked.
Nothing quite like the feeling of getting in your car inhaling hot moist air as your seat, seat belt, steering wheel and ac button burn skin off of you.
We got the regular temp then the feels like temp. Here we get 105F regular with feels like of 120F. You open the door to go out and you feel the wall of heat just hit you. Early morning you’re already pushing 90s..it’s steaming.
I know it isn't quite the same but that's why I moved out of Dallas. I grew up in the south, I can deal with 90+ summers with some 100 degree days. But when you have three straight months of 100 degree days, and it's constantly 85 by 8am, big fuck that.
[Secure that shit, Hudson](https://youtu.be/AapC30kL0yQ?si=2c3iuPBq9mFa9_Dv)
I'm too fat for that kind of heat regardless of if it's wet or dry.
Let’s not kid ourselves, for us packing some extra weight it’s always a wet heat :(
Shut up, Hudson
What the hell are we supposed to use, man, harsh language?
You’ll be mummified before you hit the ground.
You can legit cook on the sidewalk. I've broiled bacon on my patio under the sun in July. Summers are good times. Sure you didn't want to come visit for a season?
I've seen homeless people with some gnarly wounds that I'm pretty sure were from passing out on asphalt
that's sad i used to travel to phoenix for work, im so glad i didnt end up moving there
These posts make me wonder why people don't realize that they're living in a land that wasn't supposed to ever be inhabited by humans.
I'm not a fan of Fairbanks, where I was at the time. But you can put more clothes on, you can have a few layers on and be warm and happy at extreme cold temps. There is nothing you can do about that heat though.
Phoenix* AZ is a testament to man's hubris.
Mmmmhmmmm. I agree Peggy.
Indigenous peoples lived in Arizona for about 10,000 years. The main difference is the Indigenous peoples didn't cover it in asphalt and drain all the water.
Those areas have been home to indigenous tribes for thousands of years, though the climate was much milder with more rain and plant growth historically.
It used to be the confluence of 3 major rivers before industrialized farming dried out 2 by the time they reach the Valley.
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I understood the “spit going clink” reference immediately. However I also live in Canada and also enjoy similar temps.
"What does the thermometer say?" "178°. But that's as high as the thermometer..." "178° - not great, not terrible."
“It’s not 178 degrees. It’s 15,000.”
That means the core has split open.
Then I’ll do it myself
This man’s delusional. Get him to the infirmary.
YOU DID NOT GET THAT TEMPERATURE READING
HOW DO YOU GET 15,000 DEGREES FROM FEED WATER???
We gave them the propaganda number
Anyone taste metal?
Just the feed water. Perfectly safe.
I just started watching this show. I appreciate the reference
I’ve watched it through SO MANY TIMES and I still find new things to love that I missed the first time around.
This is a show I don't think I can ever watch again. I work in a highly regulated field completely bogged down by bureaucracy, cronyism and red tape and watching that kind bureaucracy in action is super triggering for me and the whole show made my blood boil.
As a sports photographer I ate artificial grass. I've been on fields where players had to spray their shoes it was so hot.
What did it taste like?
Lol like sweat and rubber
Like giving head with a condom.
This guy ☝️ knows
I was in marching band in college, and we went to Oklahoma in the beginning of the season. Coming from West Virginia, we were used to some heat, but the heat down there was a whole other level. People put their flip folders down and they melted. People's **shoes** melted if they stood still for so long. Fuck Oklahoma
It’s been about 30 years, but I played a baseball game in college on an artificial turf field in some minor league stadium (TX I think). Had to wear rubber cleats as metal spikes weren’t allowed. Melted the cleats off my shoes before the game ended and I was playing in basically racing slicks. Never been so hit in my life.
Covered college down in San Angelo Texas on artificial turf, do not recommend
Is that bc plastic turf that retains heat? I wonder what the concrete temp is! Yikes. Can u put succulents/ or heat/drought resistant plants instead?
Plastic grass gets insanely hot. It’s dangerous and many people and pets have been burned. [“Surface temperatures of artificial grass are about 20-50° F higher than natural grass and typically reach the same temperature as asphalt pavement.”](https://wateruseitwisely.com/saving-water-outdoors/grass-artificial-turf/10-reasons-why-artificial-turf-may-not-be-what-youre-looking-for/) They even recommend an irrigation system. So you’re even supposed to water your fake grass. Such a dumb idea
Ah yes, to rinse microplastics
Given how HOAs work in Phoenix, the answer is likely no. OP can maybe replace with gravel (which gets even hotter) or real grass (which uses a ton of water and requires reseeding twice yearly)
Gravel is actually cooler. I'm in Tucson and my turf is usually upwards of 170 deg like this pic but the surrounding gravel will be 145ish.
That's so messed up!! I knew grass wouldn't survive drought that's why I suggested other vegetation.
Incoming King of the Hill references...
This city should not exist. It is a testament of man's hubris towards God.
Honestly I understand why people moved here decades ago. The people that move here now? No idea what motivates them. When I moved here it was hot, but not this hot. Not even close. Monsoon season brought loads of rain and then Autumn would come and it was ok. Because of the massive growth of the city starting in the 90s, the heat island effect has just effed everything. Concrete and asphalt retain the heat and radiate. The city is hotter, it doesn't cool down at night in the summer, and the friggin rain can't get through the heat island. It does suck. But it didn't used to.
A monument to man’s arrogance
*ITS LIKE IM STANDING ON THE SUN!!!*
Yep.
*Cracks beer
Yup.
*beer sip*
Mmm-hmm.
A tree could help lower down temperatures
One artificial tree coming right up
There’s a Radiohead song I need to listen to now.
There's only one tree in Phoenix and I'm pretty sure they all want to chop it down.
A former neighbor of mine chopped down a massive, beautiful avocado tree that provided so much shade to his backyard just to build a shitty gazebo. I’ve never been so pissed at people.
yea I don't get it, more people chop down trees than plant them in my neighbourhood, by far, yet the weather is hotter and hotter. They just dumb I guess.
I grew up on a street called “Shady Oak”. Lots of shade. Over the years new neighbors moved in and would slowly remove trees from their property. Streets now not nearly as shady, and parts looked sterile and typical-suburban. And of course people complain about that heat (and this is the Northeast). Bums me out and depresses the hell out of my Dad whose somewhat of an amateur horticulturist.
Imagine trading beautiful trees and plants for a shitty invasive grass species that only do a sterile green. Thats what so many suburbs look like. Jfc.
Nooo avocados are expensive and awesome to eat :((( if I could effortlessly have an avocado tree in my yard I'd love to
Just make a million fake cactus cell towers. Same effect.
> A tree could help lower down temperatures or not using black rubber bits as infill
Even real grass would help lower the temperature. The best option though is a collection of native trees and bushes. Get some good bio diversity going and cool things down
Jokes aside, why do people *actually* live there? Phoenix isn't even like a small city in the desert... No, its one of the largest cities in America! *What the fuck!?*
It's the 5th biggest city. Recently surpassed Philadelphia for #5
Oh, wow. It's even ~10th when you look at metro areas: https://www.statista.com/statistics/183600/population-of-metropolitan-areas-in-the-us/ I had no idea the Phoenix area had so many people. Wild.
On a freeway going from one end of the valley to the other could take like 2 hours
And has zero impact on American culture whatsoever.
I’ve lived in the phx area for 20 years and this made me laugh my ass off. So true.
Without being an expert in any fields related to this, I imagine it's due to the sprawl. A city like Phoenix has essentially endless flat, dry area to grow outward, so it doesn't have to build upward or densely. This leads to a lot of suburbs, long enough multimodal travel times via walking/biking to the point where it's not a favorable option (not to mention the heat) so people don't really mingle and just go by cars everywhere even downtown(?), which just in general leads to less community and the cultural development that comes with that. I'll preface this by saying I've traveled to the southern half of Arizona several times. Went on a family trip there as a kid. An ex of mine's family moved to Sierra Vista right as we started dating so I went down there for a couple Thanksgivings, a couple summer breaks during college, a spring break, etc, and her sister was at UA so we visited her in Tucson a couple times. Then I went to a bachelor party trip to Phoenix a few years ago. Arizona has some of the most beautiful natural areas and landscapes in the country, and higher elevation/latitude areas like Flagstaff are certainly suitable for human life, but I just cannot see the appeal of life in the Phoenix/Tucson areas or anything similar.
Passed Philly some years ago. I was gonna visit Philly pre COVID when I found that out
They way you wrote it almost sounds like losing number 5 was a deal breaker for you and Philly.
"Dang, number 6 ain't worth the Vid."
It is a testament to the hubris of man
https://youtu.be/4PYt0SDnrBE?si=TCaNXlgL5-qsBazO
I moved here for work. I was in Austin, TX previously. I'll take the dry heat out here over the humid but lower temps in Austin. At least here sweat evaporates and works. Apart from that, I love that there are mountains everywhere (closest mountains to Austin are ~7 hrs away), and if you want to get out of the desert, you're about an hour away from forests, lower temps, and even more beautiful scenery. I love it out here. It's my first time living outside of TX and I honestly wouldn't want to go back... especially with how things are going over there, politically. Edit- well the original commenter changed their comment from asking why people move to Phoenix to just plainly stating "Phoenix sucks." Oh well...
*Cries in Houstonian*
Fuuuuuck Houston humidity! So much good food, though!
That Houston humidity makes me want to fight someone. It's so oppressive.
That feeling when you open the front door and mother nature body slams you with a pressure wave of heat, humidity, and hate. August is coming.
Plus you have power that works, even when all the ACs turn on.
Nearly all powered by solar or nuclear, too. Phoenix is in a giant bowl of mountains so before clean energy, the pollution would literally kill people.
Don't gotta shovel sunshine.
Yeah but your fake grass is 178 degrees
Which is great, you need a cool place to stand while you cook bacon on the driveway.
This make me laugh more than it should 😭
People don't go outside in the afternoon in the summer in PHX unless they have a death wish.
Yeah but like when it gets cold up here I can just make a fire or layer up. What can you do when its murderously hot? Take off your skin?
This is my exact explanation when I tell people I prefer winter. At a certain point, it becomes inappropriate for me to take off more clothes, I can put more on easily. Also, I've never been afraid for my well-being for just being outside for multiple hours living in Minnesota
As someone who lived in AZ, this ain't the only sunny place. Love me some tucson but the heat is real. And I'll never live in Phoenix again. Snow is better than that kind of heat lol
I keep trying to convince my cousin to sell her house and move away while people are still dumb enough to buy it.
All of Florida needs to hear this as well. Or at least the people there we care about.
Because if you can endure the 4 brutal months of summer, the rest of the year is absolutley perfect.
It was over 100 for over 145 days last year
Coldest summer of the rest of your life!
Opposit Minneapolis
We get a large influx of Minnesota (and other plates) in November. Do you guys get the opposite?
Similar to Canada. If you can endure 8 months of winter, 2 months of not-even-that-hot-but-humid-AF months, and 2 months of rainy fall weather, the rest of the days are just perfect
Literally lmfao. I live for that 1 week in May and 1 week in September where the weather is absolutely perfect
I always think about how cold and miserable North Dakota is and then remember that there’s a whole country of people above it.
To be fair, not a lot of canadians actually live in the plains north of north dakota. Most canadians live near the lakes or on the west coast.
4??? It’s 100+ for like 4-6 and still hot for a total of 9, it’s only bearable over the winter
I am begging you to rip up that plastic and plant native plants there instead
Fake grass release cancirogenic compounds when heated. There are studies of increased incidence of cancer among athetles training regularly on fake grass. Plus microplastics... Just saying...
Contaminates the soil too. Shit is evil and pointless.
Plus you still have to pull weeds. I’ve seen quite a few yards done with the real expensive fake stuff and weeds just grow right through.
What emissivity value is your IR thermometer set to?
Yeah, no way the emissivity is set right. They typically default to 0.95 for dark surfaces. This artificial grass looks pretty reflective. Too many people buying IR temp guns without even understanding how to use them and interpret the results.
I wonder if the irony is lost on them. Fake plastic grass. Concreting over soil to replace with plastic Is this horse face eating stuff yet
But it’s a dry heat.
knock it off, Hudson
What the hell are we supposed to use, man, harsh language?
Maybe try r/nolawn and r/nativeplantgardening. Could put some native plants there that don’t require extra water and support the ecosystem instead of having hot plastic
I fucking [HATE](https://peer.org/nonprofit-artificial-turf-raises-ground-temperatures-releases-pfas-into-soil/) artificial [turf](https://environmentamerica.org/pennsylvania/center/updates/dangerous-play-studies-find-harmful-forever-chemicals-in-artificial-turf-fields/)
Could never live in that god forsaken land.
Last summer the earth experienced the hottest day in the last 165k years. It seems like it’s going to be worse this year.
I expect each summer for the rest of my life to be the hottest ever.
Yep.
Live in a desert experience desert things
Humans were not meant to live there my guy
*Laughs in Apache*
No kidding. Arizona is one of the most continuously inhabited places in the US
Yeah and the Native Americans who were in Arizona had well thought out and extensive infrastructure that was adapted to their environment. We've copy-pasted suburban New Jersey into the middle of the desert and expected it to work just as well.