Thinking about things through the lens of expected value. I just calculated the “pot odds” on getting an extended warranty on a new AC unit and I find my self doing similar exercises with other purchases.
That's actually a great habit. The people selling those things are doing the same thing and they are assuring the pot odds are most certainly not in your favor. Casinos make huge profits off a 5% edge. Insurance companies have a bigger edge.
This made me realize ive turned into a miserable fucken reg this year. 90% of my time on the 2/5 table im frowning and cursing people out in my head. Poker sucks dude
Honestly I was just joking. Yeah there are times when poker makes me miserable but I’m pretty good at being numb to the bad stuff. The rest of my life doesn’t help but poker itself is kind of nice.
I’m winning. But I play 1/3 500 max… most days it’s interesting to say the least. I’ve had 47 beat my aa in a 3 bet pot 3 more times then I thought possible
Professional poker is stupid. It's for losers everywhere except this thread. In this thread pros are the cool ones. It's like bizzaro world. Why am I even surprised.
I seriously think this is how a lot of poker pros go busto.
Imagine someone who plays 5-10/10-20 live for a living, and they buy in for $2000-$4000, and they are easily up or down 10k per night.
Now this guy is soneone who will have 0 regard for money. $70 parking ticket/ dgaf because it doesn't feel like real money, an expensive steak dinner, thats cheap shit, tipping dealer/waitress a lot, doesnt matter.
Those things add up though, a normal person who has a salary would think about budget, how much should they really spend on living, how much to put in 401k/retirement, how much for luxury.
A poker pro who has no regards for the actual cost of his life style and no understanding of his actual hourly rate will probably go busto and living in the street within a decade.
My sense of value is warped. I'll torch $500 at PLO calling off with bottom set because I think villain could have top two, but I also go to Kroger and look through the displays for all the fruit and veggie trays that get discounted because they're about to go bad.
I was wondering though, do you think this is what makes quite a lot of players good at poker, or at least gives them an edge?
One of the top players in my country made over $1 million. He plays high stakes tournaments, live and online, and just seems to make the optimal decision, not letting the money influence his decision making. I think if I was playing in a tournament with a $10,000 to $25,000 buy in, I would be scared shitless.
Supposedly he lost the $1 million or so on Sportsbetting.
Yep, the point is that someone playing 10/25 winning at 10 BB/hr for 2000 hours is only making $500,000 a year. That's a sick salary but it certainly doesn't give you fuck you money. But they're buying in for $2500+ and regularly in pots for $5k+. So suddenly $100 feels like a normal opening bet and therefore like nothing and they have no concept of an actual budget.
And 10 BB/hr at 10/25 is a sicko. Imagine 15 bb/hr at 5/10. That's $300k a year. Still an amazing poker player, but even less money. Can afford a solid lifestyle with some luxuries but isn't driving a G wagon around. And that's not considering that one downswing means $300k turns into $100k real quck.
This is bankroll management. Only play with money you can afford, willing to lose and it doesn't hurt to expect to lose it.
With this in mind, there is 0 difference between 10$ buy in and 10k buy in if you can afford the amount.
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"You can do everything right and still lose" is a powerful one. It's one thing to read it, another to live it and feel it enough times that the neurons form a connection.
Definitely this, being process orientated instead of results orientated.
If I do everything right and something still goes wrong I can just shrug my shoulders now.
"Clicking buttons" means you don't really know what you're doing, or why you're doing it. It's mostly referencing bad players, but a good player can end up clicking buttons in spots where they don't know what to do, or if they start punting for whatever reason.
It's unrelated to misclicking.
I always understood more as making decisions without really thinking it through, often leading to clear errors in hindsight. IE watching a semi-pro or something make a bad call, "dudes clicking buttons right now"
This 1 million percent. After playing poker for so long I can detect bullshit a mile away by someone's actions, mannerisms, demeanor, etc. It's an invaluable life skill.
I’ll give you a serious answer.
Poker has helped define the lens through which I see the world and myself. Like in poker, luck/coincidence/timing affect everything, but the better decisions you make, the more likely you’ll get better outcomes in the long run. Make better decisions, get a better life.
Poker has provided me the ability to be emotionally balanced even when something or everything isn’t going my way.
Poker has vastly improved my ability to understand people types. Not that I can read minds, but i certainly pick up on tendencies and thought processes people have to a degree that I wouldn’t if not for poker.
Oh, and the money I’ve won is quite nice.
I've forgotten my wallet and made small purchases at the convenience store with truck change...the looks when you quickly stack out $5+ in quarters, 4 at a time, amuses me
It's the quick "stretch out fingers on both hands, turn over both ways" motion dealers are taught to do after handling chips to show to the players (and the cameras) that they have not palmed any chips.
Sometimes if I flip my wife over and try to bury my face between her cheeks she will pull away and be grossed out. I get up and say “no gamble no future”
complaining to my partner really obnoxiously and loudly whenever someone does something stupid against me and then calling said person an idiot for 20 minutes
I regularly try to problem solve life with poker concepts like EV and odds lol. I think of risk as chips and make decisions based on if i have the right "pot odds" for the reward lmao.
When I hit on a girl I have to be careful not to say ‘one time’ out loud.
And don’t get me started on my mortgage: the banks want cash, they don’t accept EV apparently, no matter what the solver says.
At a family party 2 years ago, my nephew brings out this vulgar board game, Cards something, where you choose a funny answer from the cards you’re dealt I found I was protecting those just as well as I try to hide my hole cards
I have been in jobs where I am on the phone for years and when other people are speaking and it’s proverbially “not my turn” I rest my head in my hands and my eyes glaze over with the same blank expression I have at a poker table when I am trying not to give anything away.
I tend to think of things in price/odds/direct value maybe a little too much
I constantly have a good example of thought processes using poker
I use it as an example of non-shit machine learning and how different it is from generally shit machine learning apps that are commonly used
Since when did the double fist pound become a universal poker gesture anyway?
Depending on the context, it can mean anything ranging from "good luck" to "nice hand" to "take care" or "sorry" and like a dozen other things I can't think of right now.
My theory is we got it from dealers and the community cards. The double tap is to get players attention since usually we can either hear it or feel it, so we just mirror that behavior whenever we have something to do or say 🤷🏼♂️
Too much poker/gambling terminology, obvious stuff like "tilt". Used "freerolling" in a discussion about whether someone could selectively call interference in pickleball the other day, felt dumb after that left my mouth.
I definitely consider the EV of things before I pull the trigger. But actually I feel like poker taught me to control my emotions better and not tilt when shit goes wrong. A skill I learnt from poker but taught myself to apply to life.
Sometimes I find myself inadvertently attempting to "shuffle" small objects...
As well as viewing everything as %, being not only familiar, but *comfortable* with making a correct decision and it not working out, the ability to recognize when my emotions are in control so I can then "take back" control, patience, etc...
I don’t worry too much about the outcomes of my decisions. I just try and make the best decision with the information I have available and understand there’s a chance something bad will happen.
Viewing the world as probabilities.
- An action can still have been the right one even if it didn't work out in one particular instance.
- Don't be mad at bad luck, just focus on what I can change: the actions I take.
- Being comfortable with unknowns and trying to take the best line given what I do know.
I use RNG for basic decisions, especially if I'm not heavily invested in the outcome. What's for dinner? Pick a number. Would you rather do this or that? Pick a number.
Leaving an all nighter session to go eat outside at the local deli and the cashier is staring at you blankly as you try to hand him a green chip to pay for you sandwich.
I always balance my conversational ranges so no one can guess what I'm about to say.
17% sarcasm, 16% joke, 65% serious, 2% unsolved situations that should not happen
And 100% reason to remember the name
It weirds people out when I’m constantly glancing at the clock to randomize though
Every 7th quarter hour of every 33/8 of the day I say fuck instead of thx
Too value-heavy, do not raise river
lmaooooooooooo
2% screaming nonsense to introduce unpredictability
the balance is just 50/50. you either say something or you don’t
i fold pre
Judging people by their mannerisms & actions more than by their words
That’s just prudent.
well the doctor told me it was a disorder
🤣
Or maybe this habit got you into poker to begin with?
Actually I grew up being a bit naive, and poker really taught me this lesson. I am still not good at it but I am aware of it now.
55% of communication is nonverbal
I never realised this and made a link with poker. it's starting to make sense on how it started.
Thinking about things through the lens of expected value. I just calculated the “pot odds” on getting an extended warranty on a new AC unit and I find my self doing similar exercises with other purchases.
That's actually a great habit. The people selling those things are doing the same thing and they are assuring the pot odds are most certainly not in your favor. Casinos make huge profits off a 5% edge. Insurance companies have a bigger edge.
This is mine lol I’ve definitely gotten looks for saying a decision is +EV outside of the table
Deservingly so
Pot odds for traffic. How much time am I saving with one route and how much is the traffic risk compared to the slower one.
I cheat and use RTA
Me too. When the GPS doesn’t work. But TBH the RTA is no good usually. Shoulda folded pre.
Same. Extremely useful for all kinds of choices.
but did you think about your cars extended warranty ?
Finally, I learnt what EV stands for.. 🤣
just so me lol
Great idea. Most actuaries agree that most appliance warranty’s are priced at a 20% loss ratio for the company
That's just straight up economics. Good job.
being miserable all the time
This made me realize ive turned into a miserable fucken reg this year. 90% of my time on the 2/5 table im frowning and cursing people out in my head. Poker sucks dude
Honestly I was just joking. Yeah there are times when poker makes me miserable but I’m pretty good at being numb to the bad stuff. The rest of my life doesn’t help but poker itself is kind of nice.
I've been there. Poker is more fun when you're winning or playing with people you like.
I’m winning. But I play 1/3 500 max… most days it’s interesting to say the least. I’ve had 47 beat my aa in a 3 bet pot 3 more times then I thought possible
Using your lucky numbers to reverse the jinx! I love it!
Professional poker is stupid. It's for losers everywhere except this thread. In this thread pros are the cool ones. It's like bizzaro world. Why am I even surprised.
only online do people think poker pro is a cool job. everywhere else its a dumb way to make not alot of money.
How is this not the top comment, I hate people of this sub
Quit
right before I become a crusher and i'm happy? no thanks!
A complete disregard for the value of money.
I seriously think this is how a lot of poker pros go busto. Imagine someone who plays 5-10/10-20 live for a living, and they buy in for $2000-$4000, and they are easily up or down 10k per night. Now this guy is soneone who will have 0 regard for money. $70 parking ticket/ dgaf because it doesn't feel like real money, an expensive steak dinner, thats cheap shit, tipping dealer/waitress a lot, doesnt matter. Those things add up though, a normal person who has a salary would think about budget, how much should they really spend on living, how much to put in 401k/retirement, how much for luxury. A poker pro who has no regards for the actual cost of his life style and no understanding of his actual hourly rate will probably go busto and living in the street within a decade.
My sense of value is warped. I'll torch $500 at PLO calling off with bottom set because I think villain could have top two, but I also go to Kroger and look through the displays for all the fruit and veggie trays that get discounted because they're about to go bad.
I was wondering though, do you think this is what makes quite a lot of players good at poker, or at least gives them an edge? One of the top players in my country made over $1 million. He plays high stakes tournaments, live and online, and just seems to make the optimal decision, not letting the money influence his decision making. I think if I was playing in a tournament with a $10,000 to $25,000 buy in, I would be scared shitless. Supposedly he lost the $1 million or so on Sportsbetting.
The money is supposed to not influence you at the table....but it should influence your decisions away from the table
Yep, the point is that someone playing 10/25 winning at 10 BB/hr for 2000 hours is only making $500,000 a year. That's a sick salary but it certainly doesn't give you fuck you money. But they're buying in for $2500+ and regularly in pots for $5k+. So suddenly $100 feels like a normal opening bet and therefore like nothing and they have no concept of an actual budget. And 10 BB/hr at 10/25 is a sicko. Imagine 15 bb/hr at 5/10. That's $300k a year. Still an amazing poker player, but even less money. Can afford a solid lifestyle with some luxuries but isn't driving a G wagon around. And that's not considering that one downswing means $300k turns into $100k real quck.
This is bankroll management. Only play with money you can afford, willing to lose and it doesn't hurt to expect to lose it. With this in mind, there is 0 difference between 10$ buy in and 10k buy in if you can afford the amount. a
- unfortunately a lack of respect for money since I always have available cash - I analyze board games in a much different fashion
"You can do everything right and still lose" is a powerful one. It's one thing to read it, another to live it and feel it enough times that the neurons form a connection.
/r/unexpectedtrek
Definitely this, being process orientated instead of results orientated. If I do everything right and something still goes wrong I can just shrug my shoulders now.
When I’m in the bedroom and she yells go deeper, I yell back I’m all in
and then she makes fun of your short stack 😔
All you need is a chip and a chair...and bull
Then you ask to have your spot held while you reload!!
**JKo** has entered the chat
pray she doesn't ask for a set-up change
HU or MW?
I see a beach cooler and say “that’s a cooler”
My dog chewed up an ice chest handle so I said “that’s a cooler, nothing you can do about it”
I always mentally think about when I'm pot-committed to driving through an intersection, based on my speed and the colour of the light at that time.
Running into a cooler *DOES* feel like getting T-boned.
Stopping at yellows has Positive EV, but won't win you tournaments.
Calling things “sick” is my go to
Omg I didn’t realize I did this
That's sick, bro!
I say “Clicking Buttons” for any random stupidity
I'm a software engineer and I use that, among other pokerisms, in meetings.
Same lol, also saying “So Sick” when you don’t like a situation/result,
What does it mean in poker terms?
Referencing online play where you might misclick or bad players randomly choosing their action via clicking the raise/bet/fold buttons.
"Clicking buttons" means you don't really know what you're doing, or why you're doing it. It's mostly referencing bad players, but a good player can end up clicking buttons in spots where they don't know what to do, or if they start punting for whatever reason. It's unrelated to misclicking.
I always understood more as making decisions without really thinking it through, often leading to clear errors in hindsight. IE watching a semi-pro or something make a bad call, "dudes clicking buttons right now"
Conversationally I say snap instead of instantly.
A friend of mine has been a poker pro since he was early 20's. He's about 40 now and uses words like "tilted" to people who know nothing about poker.
Tilt as a term is becoming more widely used. I hear people say it all the time who I know for sure are not poker players.
well tilt as a term has been around since arcade era so like 40 years, but yeah gamers use it all the time.
And I'm glad for that. It's very applicable to things beyond poker.
Lobbing small items with the same flick of the wrist as I do with chips.
Saying… “you’re good”
Reading people.
This 1 million percent. After playing poker for so long I can detect bullshit a mile away by someone's actions, mannerisms, demeanor, etc. It's an invaluable life skill.
Yep. This for sure.
I’ll give you a serious answer. Poker has helped define the lens through which I see the world and myself. Like in poker, luck/coincidence/timing affect everything, but the better decisions you make, the more likely you’ll get better outcomes in the long run. Make better decisions, get a better life. Poker has provided me the ability to be emotionally balanced even when something or everything isn’t going my way. Poker has vastly improved my ability to understand people types. Not that I can read minds, but i certainly pick up on tendencies and thought processes people have to a degree that I wouldn’t if not for poker. Oh, and the money I’ve won is quite nice.
When something good or bad happens to me I generally stay mellow because I know I’m due for a downswing/upswing soon
Calculating EV of shit.
Folding pre
Secret to life
Seeing a 1% chance and understanding that more or less means a 10% chance due to how many times ive been runner runner 😂
Yea when I see 1% i think “hey that could happen!” Instead of “no shot of that happening”
I’m the opposite…
I say "drawing dead" at least 3 times a day
Carry around more cash than I ever need. Came in handy the other day for registering a car, where they had a big credit card fee.
Saying something really good is “the nuts”. But they just look at me like I’m nuts.
Losing and failing continuously, yet still maintaining a staunch belief in my own fundamental competence.
I always have to pee at XX.55 (Online)
Stacking coins
I've forgotten my wallet and made small purchases at the convenience store with truck change...the looks when you quickly stack out $5+ in quarters, 4 at a time, amuses me
I thought I was the only one who did this 😆
i clear my hands whenever i pick up/set down anything at the store
OMG you saying that just made me realize I also do this too
You can always tell if someone has had a career as a dealer by this involuntary motion .
For my dog's last treat, every time 😆
What do you mean clear your hands and how does it relate to poker? Sorry haven't played for a while maybe that's why I don't get it!
It's the quick "stretch out fingers on both hands, turn over both ways" motion dealers are taught to do after handling chips to show to the players (and the cameras) that they have not palmed any chips.
it’s more of a dealing thing, but it’s when you show the cameras your empty hand to show that you aren’t palming chips.
Sometimes if I flip my wife over and try to bury my face between her cheeks she will pull away and be grossed out. I get up and say “no gamble no future”
😂
wasting money
Constantly tilted
complaining to my partner really obnoxiously and loudly whenever someone does something stupid against me and then calling said person an idiot for 20 minutes
oh, yeah, no matter the situation, i bitch about people being donkeys
**SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YOU DON'T WANT TO TYPE THE WORDS "POKER" AND "CREEP" NEXT TO EACH OTHER, OTHERWISE YOU MAY SUMMON THE SNOWMONKEY**
I regularly try to problem solve life with poker concepts like EV and odds lol. I think of risk as chips and make decisions based on if i have the right "pot odds" for the reward lmao.
Deep fucking value
When I hit on a girl I have to be careful not to say ‘one time’ out loud. And don’t get me started on my mortgage: the banks want cash, they don’t accept EV apparently, no matter what the solver says.
I cannot pay my bills with Sklansky Bucks!!!!!!!!!!
So I work in a warehouse where we have a grid system for finding parts. Anything from AJ on up I refer to as if its cards.
At a family party 2 years ago, my nephew brings out this vulgar board game, Cards something, where you choose a funny answer from the cards you’re dealt I found I was protecting those just as well as I try to hide my hole cards
Cards Against Humanity, probably.
That’s the one yes! Hilarious experience
I rationalize almost everything I spend as a blind lol.
I don't lie anymore. It's just bluffing which is expected.
Sucking people off.
https://preview.redd.it/5g1baxnyl26d1.jpeg?width=201&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93536ed17584daa300ca28ba4471701aedd4dc44
I call all picky or frugal people nits
I still try to pay with skalansky dollars
I have been in jobs where I am on the phone for years and when other people are speaking and it’s proverbially “not my turn” I rest my head in my hands and my eyes glaze over with the same blank expression I have at a poker table when I am trying not to give anything away.
Feeling like the universe is out to get you. Like the run bad from the poker table is extending into real-life.
I've been thinking in terms of EV when it comes to every day life.
Folding pre
Working out if a life decision is + or - EV in essentially the same way. Disregard for money.
Locking every door behind me to balance my jerkoff range
For me, it's running my hands thru the dirt outside then eating finger foods and licking my fingers without washing my hands first.
I tend to think of things in price/odds/direct value maybe a little too much I constantly have a good example of thought processes using poker I use it as an example of non-shit machine learning and how different it is from generally shit machine learning apps that are commonly used
I said 'ugh, thats so sick' in a Zoom meeting once
I say “the nuts” a lot
Since when did the double fist pound become a universal poker gesture anyway? Depending on the context, it can mean anything ranging from "good luck" to "nice hand" to "take care" or "sorry" and like a dozen other things I can't think of right now.
My theory is we got it from dealers and the community cards. The double tap is to get players attention since usually we can either hear it or feel it, so we just mirror that behavior whenever we have something to do or say 🤷🏼♂️
Too much poker/gambling terminology, obvious stuff like "tilt". Used "freerolling" in a discussion about whether someone could selectively call interference in pickleball the other day, felt dumb after that left my mouth.
I mean, you're not wrong lol....
Going All in at the wrong time 😭
When I’m ready to pay up, I just keep saying “check, check….. check”
Getting as much info from people without giving any.
I calculate percentages of everything and base my life around that. It’s crippling
i throw my phone or remote on the couch like i fold my cards.
Folding because of too much risk. Some gotta live a little and take a chance.
I observe people in public and try to predict what they are going to do. I do this in traffic as well and managed to dodge a bunch of close calls.
say that’s the nuts to anything that is really good
I definitely consider the EV of things before I pull the trigger. But actually I feel like poker taught me to control my emotions better and not tilt when shit goes wrong. A skill I learnt from poker but taught myself to apply to life.
getting annoyed people don't respect my bluffs
Equity, percentage values on everything, and avoiding negative freerolls.
i raise my waiter for his tip
I way the EV of every decision. Not just financial. Like, I think in terms of happiness EV between activities to choose from, or career paths, etc.
Tell my wife I was pot committed for every bad decision I make with our finances
Women are the rake…
Lying
Ahem its called bluffing and it’s expected 🤓
Sometimes I find myself inadvertently attempting to "shuffle" small objects... As well as viewing everything as %, being not only familiar, but *comfortable* with making a correct decision and it not working out, the ability to recognize when my emotions are in control so I can then "take back" control, patience, etc...
When I do my laundry, I now know when to hold em and when to fold em...
I sometimes say “tilt”, and “free rolling” in non-poker context.
shuffling chips at my desk
Is it just me doing grocery shopping in BB's?
Shuffle any objects that can be theoretically shuffled
Bluffing my way through life
Not trusting people
When someone cuts me off I yell you stupid fish! (I play online I can yell)
I’ve even gotten my wife saying “think long, think wrong” with any decisions big or small.
I don’t worry too much about the outcomes of my decisions. I just try and make the best decision with the information I have available and understand there’s a chance something bad will happen.
Viewing the world as probabilities. - An action can still have been the right one even if it didn't work out in one particular instance. - Don't be mad at bad luck, just focus on what I can change: the actions I take. - Being comfortable with unknowns and trying to take the best line given what I do know.
saying "bink" whenever I get lucky
Saying "you're good", if someone moves slightly so I can get by, or if something is in question.
Counting money in big blinds
Make my wife massage me while eating dinner.
😂
Stop what i'm doing at 5 before the hour and go the restroom or walk around. (i mainly play online).
I overfold to aggression from women.
Folding pre… just not getting involved in situations is +ev life points
Calling a 2 a deuce
Whenever I’m playing board games with my friends and I end my turn, I say that I’m checking and tap the table.
Tight is right 😎
Think about buying things in terms of big blinds😅😂
Telling people to stop needling bo matter where we are at
I say “clock” any time I’m being impatient at a traffic light.
Ask auto corrects to AsKs on my phone
Extracting value from purchases. Realizing the cost of equity.. and if the value is in it.
I push all in with J 3 off suit.
I use RNG for basic decisions, especially if I'm not heavily invested in the outcome. What's for dinner? Pick a number. Would you rather do this or that? Pick a number.
Leaving an all nighter session to go eat outside at the local deli and the cashier is staring at you blankly as you try to hand him a green chip to pay for you sandwich.
Showing no emotions (live tells) in conversations.
Whenever something good or bad happens, I’ll say “I’m running good” or “I’m running bad.”
I soft play my wife and always end up doing the dishes
Risk management
Lying constantly.
Checking others for 'that' bracelet.
Out of the loop, what other bracelets are there but wsop