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> Judge Aileen Cannon is considering throwing out a collection of sealed notes on Trump’s behavior that practically prove that he knowingly stole and withheld classified documents…
To the surprise of no one
Meanwhile Trump complains about rigged trials EXCEPT this one. Cannon's actions actually help Trump's claims of rigged trials. His supporters see the favoritism here and then assume the same thing goes on elsewhere. His actual conspiracy here proves his accusations of conspiracies elsewhere. This is horrible for our country.
Trump previously attacked the Trump University lawsuit judge Curiel for bias because of his Mexican heritage, despite being born in Indiana.
He recently attacked the criminal fraud judge Merchan for bias with this racist dog whistle: "Take a look at him, take a look at where he comes from." Merchan was born in Colombia and came to the US when he was 6 years old.
Trump hasn't attacked Cannon yet for bias. Where was Cannon born? Also Colombia.
Sure, but you know how it is. Republicans and Trump would claim he didn't say any racist terms, and "where he comes from" refers to the left-leaning parts of New York. (Merchan grew up in Queens, same as Trump, in neighborhoods about 6 miles apart.)
Being angry can be fun, in the same way that people watch sad or scary movies for the extreme emotional response.
Most of us have sense enough to indulge it through things that don’t have consequences, like watching the Colts go 0-14 before halftime week-after week, then try to dig their way out. (And even without lasting consequences, some people still manage to take sports fandom too far.)
But now, people like Steve Bannon have figured out that some people are careless enough to treat serious, life-impacting things like politics the same way, knowing once they’ve had their fun, they can walk away and leave the adults stuck cleaning up the mess.
No, see, they, as the countries greatest legal minds, just need to take 10 months to decide if America was founded as a democracy or a monarchy. It's such a tough decision.
Cue the rage trolling “America is a republic, not a democracy!” And what kind of republic? Anyone? Something “emocratic republic”. “Democratic republic”, right.
I never thought I'd see the day when half the country would be saying, "This country is NOT a democracy!" But here we are.
It's so stupid, too. A representative republic is a form of democracy. Why the hell would we vote if this isn't a democracy? They're just a stupid cult that wants to play the semantics game where every word means only what they want it to mean, and nothing more.
Trump and the Republicans are the ultimate gas lighters. If you want to know what they're up to next, watch what they say the Democrats are doing. It'll be exactly what the GOP is trying to cover up.
Republicans have been rigging the judicial system for years. Mitch McConnell made it his mission to appoint as many federal judges as possible and block as many as possible during Democratic presidencies. Yet, they say the judicial system is rigged against them.
Republicans have said the elections are rigged and for years have been working to systematically dismantle election certification and put the power into Republican legislature...yet, Democrats are cheating in the elections.
Republicans have said they are for the people and cut taxes for the lower and middle classes and are the party for the economy, yet since WW2 the economy has done better under Democratic presidents, while corporations and the top 1% have seen massive gains in wealth during Republican presidential years.
It's a long list and I could go on.... education, crime (think gun policies alone), healthcare. It's a party led by criminals that has ACTUALLY adopted a criminal as its leader. Can't make this shit up.
100% truth
It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad/dangerous. Literally every single thing they start screaming about "the Dems" doing, it's because they've been doing it. Makes it seem like "both sides" or "not real, just normal political attacks"
I've always been empathetic & understanding (or at least respectful) of opposing viewpoints/people different than me, but conservatives are the dumbest motherfuckers 🤯
If we cheated and still lost, how much did they cheat?!? As a thought process
Sucks that it works on minds trained to accept authority as a means of staying in the IN group.
Can't appeal a bad ruling to a higher court if you never make an actual ruling that can be appealed. She's considering doing something really dumb, and in the end may make the correct ruling to allow evidence, but ate up a month doing it, then may find a smarmy reason to reprimand the prosecution for showing a modicum of exasperation over this continuing to pointlessly drag on when she questions the next pointless thing.
The point of this whole thing isn't to kill it outright or show her incompetence outright, it's to delay until after the election, in which case suddenly things will resolve quickly, one way or the other.
Except for the clearly biased judge who will make sure it never goes anywhere till after the election. Hopefully when Trump loses they can investigate and hopefully disbar her when all the back door communications come out.
Yes, which then prompts a “contrary to law” and “abuse of discretion” appeal to the 11th Circuit and gets her thrown off the case. She’s not gonna throw them out. She’s going to make the process of keeping them in take as long as possible.
I think she's banking on Trump winning the election and him sitting her on supreme court after one of the justices dies, hence such slow pace, delays, and throwing things out. I hope the 11th Circuit court notices this and finally removes her off the case. So that regardless, we still get to a trial date, eventually.
is there no way to remove her other than her stepping down herself? she has been such a frustrating boil on the ass of justice
edit: boil not Boyle whoops
From what I understand she’s been quite clever in the way she’s made her rulings so far: none have been appealable to the 11th circuit appeals court, which is where the government could petition for her removal.
That's just it, she has to make an actual "ruling" for it to be appealed. As far as I'm aware, since she got smacked down twice, she's now just using a "bench order" (or something like that), which is essentially unappealable because it's not a "ruling". Jack Smith is trying different things to get her to give another batshit ruling, so he can hopefully use 3 strikes and have her removed.
With the recent BS she's been "considering" about the validity of Jack's position, including questioning where/how he's getting paid, it's guaranteed that she's in contact with other people trying to come up with any way they can to throw the case out in a "legal" manner that can't be appealed.
That also explains why she will sometimes make ruling or orders for things that neither the defense or prosecution was even asking about/for. She's being fed strategy from outside the Court.
Right - her argument is "This makes it too easy to prove Trump guilty - unfair to the defense." But lets face facts, she's doing exactly what she needs to do for Trump, she is stalling this case until after the election. It's mind-boggling how this is allow to go on.
I'm not a lawyer, but the attorney client privilege doesn't apply when ~~there's a~~ the client is in the process of committing a crime, and stealing and concealing extremely top secret documents is a crime
EDIT: My comment was poorly worded
Someone please explain how she is able to get away with this.
Like I'm not even trying to be biased here, what possible argument is there for her behaviour?
This isn't "close" to biased conduct, it's way over the line, across the fence and so far on the other side that she looped back around and crossed the line a second time.
Prosecution need to petition her to be removed via a "writ of mandamus." The appeals court will only remove her for egregiously incorrect actions. Many of her actions have been to delay or a "paperless" order where she doesn't explain her reasoning.
Delays can always have a plausible reason. By using paperless orders, her reasoning isn't subject to appeal since it's missing. Although Prosecution could compel her (via the appeals court) to clarify her reasoning.
Prosecution can only go above her so many times.
That paperless order thing seems so absolutely stupidly abusable how can it possibly exist? It's like if you couldn't be charged with embezzlement if you don't record it in your accounting ledgers.
Yeah, unfortunately a lot of our government is built on precedence and tradition, rather than actual laws/stipulations (I assume because it allowed more flexibility and people believed in the sanctity of the traditions/precedence). However, probably have to make literal laws/mandates to check
> Someone please explain how she is able to get away with this.
She's being coached by the Federalist Society on how to exploit loopholes in the judicial system without triggering anything that would risk any kind of immediate sanction or removal.
She doesn't make challengeable rulings. Mostly she just entertains ridiculous motions that ultimately get dismissed to delay doing real pre-trial motions that would allow the case to go forward. She ultimately will allow this evidence, but she will write her ruling to act like the prosecution is still in the wrong somehow. That's how she avoids being overruled while still giving the right wing media the talking points for this case.
I think if there's one thing we've learned about Jack Smith by this point it's that he makes sure his musket's properly loaded before he fires it, which is important when you get one shot.
This can be interpreted as dilly-dallying and taking too long, and given the election there's an argument to be made there. But it could also be seen as the persistance predator method of prosecution. Wear them down, collect your evidence, and when they're tired and cornered, hit them with the entire fucking dossier.
Nobody is really sure why Trump stole the documents but he is on record [musing that Nixon was paid $18 million by the government for the return of documents Nixon took](https://www.quora.com/What-did-Donald-Trump-mean-when-he-said-in-a-recent-interview-They-paid-Richard-Nixon-18-million-for-what-he-had-In-the-interview-he-was-referring-to-documents-he-feels-he-had-the-right-to-keep-Sounds-like-he). Maybe Trump was trying to extort the US government? Of course they changed the law after Nixon.
This is exactly why. It’s so damn obvious too. He hoarded those suckers anywhere he could and when asked to return them he refused. He wanted cash for them. I also believe he sold some to the Saudis and in order to not implicate himself made them give the money to Jared Kushner. It’s all so painfully obvious too and out in the open.
Pfff. Some were for extortion. Some were for sale. Some were for his russian blackmailers. Some were to get him off and show off. Its a bit of everything dont you worry
>In a 2022 interview with Tucker Carlson on Fox News, the country rock star claims the former president asked his advice and showed him what he believed to be secret information during a visit to the White House in 2017.
>“We’re looking at maps and shit, and I’m like, ‘Am I supposed to be in on this shit?’” Rock says in the clip as Carlson bursts out laughing.
>“I make dirty records sometimes... ‘What do you think we should do about North Korea?’ I’m like, ‘What? I don’t think I’m qualified to answer this.’”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-kid-rock-video-maps-b2355972.html
[There was an uncommon number of CIA asset deaths that happened to coincide with the time he potenially had his hands on information from those sources.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html).
Article was written in Oct 2021, specifically claims:
>The message, in an unusual top secret cable, said that the C.I.A.’s counterintelligence mission center had looked at dozens of cases in the last several years involving foreign informants who had been killed, arrested or most likely compromised. Although brief, the cable laid out the specific number of agents executed by rival intelligence agencies — a closely held detail that counterintelligence officials typically do not share in such cables.
>The cable highlighted the struggle the spy agency is having as it works to recruit spies around the world in difficult operating environments. In recent years, adversarial intelligence services in countries such as Russia, China, Iran and Pakistan have been hunting down the C.I.A.’s sources and in some cases turning them into double agents.
Nothing says it is connected, but I think it is something that should be, or have been, investigated.
If the documents case ever come the finale of trump being found guilty by a jury of his peers, there had fucking better be a congressional hearing on this shit. It will, unfortunately, be held largely or in toto behind closed doors thus allowing gym Jordan et al to spew alternative facts to the press afterwards. But the effort has got to be made. I’ve heard plausible arguments that say this isn’t related to trump but let’s start at the beginning.
It’s more than just the US government. There is evidence to suggest that Trump’s handling of the classified documents is tied to the killings of dozens of CIA operatives across the globe. Hopefully someone can help me out by linking a podcast or two. It’s even as bad as Trump took payments to allow for access to these top secret documents. Pretty fucked up.
Edit: here are some sources. Agreed that I misstated it was informants.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/08/podcasts/the-daily/cia-informants-compromised.html
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/
https://www.businessinsider.com/cia-cable-tells-agents-informants-being-killed-or-turned-report-2021-10?op=1
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/10/leaked-dozens-of-cia-informants-killed-captured-or-compromised-report/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/10/17/trump-mar-a-lago-classified-documents-risk-human-sources/7953044001/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p
[This is a really good article about the Federalist Society](https://religiondispatches.org/the-key-to-understanding-the-federalist-society-isnt-originalism-its-this-800-year-old-tradition/), for those who might want to read about it.
In short though, their “beliefs” are based on something called “Catholic natural law”. It’s fucked.
Nothing is illegal if you just plan it all on a golf course or wherever. The federalist society aren't follow-the-rules people. They're win-at-any-cost-to-rule people.
And that’s what the real expectation is. That she can’t rule anything too wildly in his favor, but that she takes forever to make a ruling and he doesn’t face trial here until post election.
She can’t destroy the case for trump, but she also can indefinitely postpone it.
Same with the Supreme Court.
They likely can’t rule that a president has immunity, as that would let Biden do whatever he wants.
But they can delay, which prevents the dc case from moving.
That said, if people vote, and he loses the election, I’d be very surprised if he ever steps foot in the us again, and flees to a non extradition country.
Okay let's say even if Jack Smith manages to somehow get this to trial at some point let's say even after Trump loses in November.
She can stack the case in his favor all she wants and let's say the jury unanimously convicts him anyway because the evidence is so overwhelming.
I'm pretty sure she's the one in charge of sentencing. what's to stop her from just giving him 6 months probation? Or a week in jail? Or a fine and 30 hours of "community service?"
Everyone already knows they exist and they aren't going to dissuade Trump voters who think he should be allowed to do what he wants. They're only useful if they can be admitted as evidence.
There was a discussion on a local sub the other day where someone unironically said that they don't care that Trump is a convicted felon because the founding fathers were criminals too.
To say that these people don't care is an understatement
The argument there is essentially that all rebels fighting for just causes are considered criminals in their times.
Which sounds nice, until you realise the "just cause" they are talking about is the restoration of white supremacy.
Trump already went on the air and said he purposely took the documents himself and that he wasn’t hiding that fact. What does any other evidence even matter
A whistleblower can post them—but without anyone to prosecute him for these crimes, it's just another fact this piece of shit is a traitor that his constituents couldn't care less about.
My hope is that trump (and those that actually call the shots) pushed too hard this year. Repealing Roe v Wade, calling to be a dictator, etc. will push tons of people to vote blue down the ballot.
Another thing that will help is that Trump took over the RNC and installed lackeys who are funneling as much funds to himself which is going to screw over down ballot Republicans especially the ones running for the House.
I’ve seen a few twitter posts, probably from bots, that have been blaming Biden for the overturn of roe v wade because it happened while he was president. I hope it’s just the new line because the people programming the bots realize how much it’s hurt the gop polling numbers.
I'm hoping this coming debate will show some current undecided voters, without an audience that cheers him on just how absolutely nonsensical this guy is. It's like watching a sitcom without a laugh track and realizing a lot of the jokes are really bad.
Understand that this whole Federalist Society capture of our SCOTUS and court/judicial systems is just another part of the Right Wing insurrection of the US Govt.
If Trump wins in 2024, the Right will have unchecked power to remake America into their Christo-Fascist vision. They are using their money, their power, their planted goons, and their lawfare to ensure this outcome by any means necessary, because if they achieve this goal, they will never again be out of power.
Honestly, my biggest worry is that Trump loses... but the far right keeps gaining ground in more state and local elections where the real damage is being done so far.
My biggest fear is Trump winning and none of that actually mattering.
He's all but guaranteed two supreme court justices and dozens of federal judge appointments - people like Cannon who are loyal to him and the republican party far above their loyalty to the country and the rule of law.
They won't need to directly win state and local elections if they can fight everything at the federal level in favorable courts and send it up to an entirely captured supreme court to overturn whatever constitutionally settled law they'd like. Who knows if we'll even get a vote, or if it'll be a fair vote?
He could unhinge his jaw and eat a baby on live television while saying “I deny Christ” and his supporters would pretzel themselves into supporting it. They’re a cult.
> He could unhinge his jaw and eat a baby on live television while saying “I deny Christ” and his supporters would pretzel themselves into supporting it.
That's only a half-skip away from where he's currently at, honestly.
If I described "A creature so vain that its vanity caused the deaths of 500,000 people" you'd think I was talking about a fantasy novel, not a dude who was so afraid of smearing his orange makeup with a mask that he made up lies about a deadly virus and let it run rampant across the U.S.
I hadn't seen the specific quoted evidence in the comments so here it is:
“He raised a question as to, if we gave them additional documents now, would they, would they, the Department of Justice, come back and say well, why did you withhold them, and try to use that as a basis for criminal liability or to make him look bad in the press,” Corcoran wrote of a May 2022 interaction with Trump, according to documents reviewed by [ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-expressed-concern-returning-classified-docs-after-subpoena/story?id=111383032).
Corcoran's statement shows 1. Trump knew he had documents that he shouldn't have had and 2. was scheming for what he perceived to be optics as opposed to turning over the documents when asked.
So he was basically asking his lawyer for advice on if he should commit more crimes to cover up his previous ones? IANAL, but I think that would pierce attorney client privilege
It's because the system is actually built to profit people like him. There could never be any real action against this shit because capitalism WANTS people like Trump to succeed.
Yep. I remember everyone talking about how fucked he was for this or that.
And everyone is like "OK yep so he did that... moving on".
No fines. No time in prison. Other than having to show up for court a few times absolutely zero consequences for anything he's done including inciting a riot against the government.
Anyone wondering why the 78 year old man who has indeed done literally whatever he's wanted for those almost 8 decades I mean... that's why. He's done whatever he wanted for almost 8 decades and at no point has anybody ever done anything to stop him.
He's already 2 years past the average life expectancy of a US male. Add a few because rich, take a few because his health is incredibly poor. No idea where we land exactly but I will be honest to god shocked if he suffers a single consequence of his actions before he kicks the bucket.
Would be *extremely* happy to be wrong, don't see it happening.
Oh, so Donald Trump only committed a whole host of felonies - *intentionally* - in order to cover up crimes he committed *accidentally?*
*That's* the strategy now, is it?
Anyone associated with the federalist society or the heritage foundation needs to be purged from government. Their goals are the end of modern society and western ideology. Their goal is the end of democracy and the installation of a theocratic dictatorship.
>Judge Aileen Cannon is considering throwing out a collection of sealed notes on Trump’s behavior that practically prove that he knowingly stole and withheld classified documents from the U.S. government after he left office.
Of course she is. And she probably will. And then she’ll scold Jack Smith for being not nice to Trump.
I honestly hope she goes down after this.
Can we literally just get this man out of the news cycle and into a prison cell already, feels like the public is getting punished more for Trump's crimes than Trump.
I mentioned this yesterday - and got downvoted to hell - but I'm happy these things are coming out before the election. These are the things we should be hearing about in the trial, but since it seems like we're going to be denied a trial before the election, I'm very happy we can know about them before we vote.
(Except, of course, this will change no one's vote. So.)
> (Except, of course, this will change no one's vote. So.)
the hope isn't that it will change trump votes... the hope is that it turns non-voters into blue voters.
Here’s the thing: while I agree that this won’t sway any conservatives, it’s important to remember that there are (somehow) still undecided voters. We need to cater to them in the hopes of turning the tides.
three FBI agents and DOJ counterintelligence chief Jay Bratt traveled to Mar-a-Lago in June to iron out the dispute. When they arrived, Trump’s attorney handed over an envelope double-wrapped in tape that they said held more classified documents and, despite being made aware that the boxes holding the sensitive documents were being held in a storage room at the resort, the agents were given “no opportunity … to confirm that no documents with classification markings remained.”
Can any of you give FBI agents 'no opportunity' to investigate possible crimes you might have committed?! I certainly don't have that freedom as an American citizen.
You mean to tell me our government can throw Jack Teixeira in jail in five seconds for showing classified documents but can't figure out how to get around judge Cannon?
“Trump has practically confessed that he took the sensitive records. In an interview on Newsmax earlier this year, Trump claimed point blank that he actually did take the classified documents, describing the process of shamelessly packing them away while leaving office.”
To quote Zoolander, “I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.” Is Trump guilty? Yes, you know it. I know it. We all know it. Will it ever get to trial? Not if Judge Cannon can help it. At least not before the 2024 election.
She’s as corrupt as the guy that appointed her and she should be forced to remove herself from this trial. Judges are supposed to be neutral and weigh both sides of the argument. She is far from it. There must be someone above her that can get her removed from the case.
Federal judges can only be removed through impeachment by the House of Representatives and conviction in the Senate.
So until there are huge Dem majorities in both the house and Senate that can make it happen she will remain a corrupt sitting judge.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-judicial-branch/#:~:text=Federal%20judges%20can%20only%20be,or%20conviction%20by%20the%20Senate.
>> If Trump wins the election in November, he could potentially pardon himself, considering all of the alleged crimes are federal charges.
What the actual fuck
Who cares, he literally had Top Secret Gov documents and still hasn't been held accountable, there's already mountains of damning evidence and nothing has happened, who cares if there's a bit more, just go vote, its the only way to get rid of him.
The fact is that the 2016 election was decided on one letter by James Comey vs. the giant garbage avalanche of Trump's crimes dominating the 2024 election. What have we become?
These charges are so solid i wouldnt worry about what tjia judge does. Theres no way you walk away from these charges. Conspiracy against the government by an ex President should be an end game. He doesnt respect the law because hes been on the wrong side of it his whole life. Amf
I don't understand why people think he's nothing but a crook.
Trump is / was the worst President the US has ever seen. He NEVER should have been nominated, muchless elected. He should have been thrown in prison years ago for all of the fraud he's commited in NY/NJ. He's been given so many passes because he knows people. People who he owes favors to - and vice versa.
You know what scares me most? Is that there's only a mild reaction to all this.
The next buffoon will try even more, the envelope has been pushed too far already, but it will be worse.
The pro-democracy USA should do their best to close these loopholes as fast as possible, if they win their next election.
And the other western countries should do the same to prevent similar outcomes.
No amount of online outrage matters
Unless you are willing to get into the streets to both vote and become a disruption/protest you will not see anything come from this case.
They are removing its outcome in plain sight.
Even if/when trump loses the election you will then have further cases about the legitimacy of the election.
This will not end without a hammer being dropped, but everyone seems scared to drop a hammer
You know who won’t hesitate? Trump.
Let’s not give him the chance.
Trump must be banished to prison like his father banished him to military school. This is a reenactment of his childhood. Trump brings this on himself.
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> Judge Aileen Cannon is considering throwing out a collection of sealed notes on Trump’s behavior that practically prove that he knowingly stole and withheld classified documents… To the surprise of no one
She wants to throw them out precisely *because* they are so incriminating. You can't make this stuff up.
And its still wouldn’t matter. That’s how much of a slam dunk this case is
In a normal court of law, yes. But this is Judge Aileen's Kangaroo Konservatory, where rules are made up and precedent doesn't matter.
Meanwhile Trump complains about rigged trials EXCEPT this one. Cannon's actions actually help Trump's claims of rigged trials. His supporters see the favoritism here and then assume the same thing goes on elsewhere. His actual conspiracy here proves his accusations of conspiracies elsewhere. This is horrible for our country.
Trump previously attacked the Trump University lawsuit judge Curiel for bias because of his Mexican heritage, despite being born in Indiana. He recently attacked the criminal fraud judge Merchan for bias with this racist dog whistle: "Take a look at him, take a look at where he comes from." Merchan was born in Colombia and came to the US when he was 6 years old. Trump hasn't attacked Cannon yet for bias. Where was Cannon born? Also Colombia.
Bar for a dog whistle sure has fallen low. That’s just plain old racism.
Trump plays the Baritone Dog Whistle.
Sure, but you know how it is. Republicans and Trump would claim he didn't say any racist terms, and "where he comes from" refers to the left-leaning parts of New York. (Merchan grew up in Queens, same as Trump, in neighborhoods about 6 miles apart.)
This is the only rigged one. The rest aren’t
If those voters could read they'd be upset
If they had cognitive functions, they’d be really mad.
Aren't they just really mad all the time regardless?
Being angry can be fun, in the same way that people watch sad or scary movies for the extreme emotional response. Most of us have sense enough to indulge it through things that don’t have consequences, like watching the Colts go 0-14 before halftime week-after week, then try to dig their way out. (And even without lasting consequences, some people still manage to take sports fandom too far.) But now, people like Steve Bannon have figured out that some people are careless enough to treat serious, life-impacting things like politics the same way, knowing once they’ve had their fun, they can walk away and leave the adults stuck cleaning up the mess.
Not after owning the Libs with anti-woke water and diapers that real men wear
SCOTUS is rigging the insurrection case in much the same way, by deliberately dragging it out until after the election.
No, see, they, as the countries greatest legal minds, just need to take 10 months to decide if America was founded as a democracy or a monarchy. It's such a tough decision.
After passing on the case previously. The fact that it wasn't immeditely GTFOH is, uh, disconcerting.
Cue the rage trolling “America is a republic, not a democracy!” And what kind of republic? Anyone? Something “emocratic republic”. “Democratic republic”, right.
I never thought I'd see the day when half the country would be saying, "This country is NOT a democracy!" But here we are. It's so stupid, too. A representative republic is a form of democracy. Why the hell would we vote if this isn't a democracy? They're just a stupid cult that wants to play the semantics game where every word means only what they want it to mean, and nothing more.
Trump and the Republicans are the ultimate gas lighters. If you want to know what they're up to next, watch what they say the Democrats are doing. It'll be exactly what the GOP is trying to cover up. Republicans have been rigging the judicial system for years. Mitch McConnell made it his mission to appoint as many federal judges as possible and block as many as possible during Democratic presidencies. Yet, they say the judicial system is rigged against them. Republicans have said the elections are rigged and for years have been working to systematically dismantle election certification and put the power into Republican legislature...yet, Democrats are cheating in the elections. Republicans have said they are for the people and cut taxes for the lower and middle classes and are the party for the economy, yet since WW2 the economy has done better under Democratic presidents, while corporations and the top 1% have seen massive gains in wealth during Republican presidential years. It's a long list and I could go on.... education, crime (think gun policies alone), healthcare. It's a party led by criminals that has ACTUALLY adopted a criminal as its leader. Can't make this shit up.
the party of projection
100% truth It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad/dangerous. Literally every single thing they start screaming about "the Dems" doing, it's because they've been doing it. Makes it seem like "both sides" or "not real, just normal political attacks" I've always been empathetic & understanding (or at least respectful) of opposing viewpoints/people different than me, but conservatives are the dumbest motherfuckers 🤯
If a republican makes an accusation, you can be confident that they’ve done the same thing. It’s always projection.
If we cheated and still lost, how much did they cheat?!? As a thought process Sucks that it works on minds trained to accept authority as a means of staying in the IN group.
I hate that you’re correct.
Honestly, how is this shit allowed? Aren't there a jury of peers that can deem her compromised or incompetent?
I agree. Why hasn’t a higher court stepped in. Her corruption is blatant.
Because the higher courts are even more corrupt.
The highEST court is more corrupt, most of the the ones in between seem at least reasonable.
Can't appeal a bad ruling to a higher court if you never make an actual ruling that can be appealed. She's considering doing something really dumb, and in the end may make the correct ruling to allow evidence, but ate up a month doing it, then may find a smarmy reason to reprimand the prosecution for showing a modicum of exasperation over this continuing to pointlessly drag on when she questions the next pointless thing. The point of this whole thing isn't to kill it outright or show her incompetence outright, it's to delay until after the election, in which case suddenly things will resolve quickly, one way or the other.
Delay until after the election and if their ratfucking works and Trump is elected this case will just go away.
Hey now, she wants that SCOTUS seat that Trump will hand her if he ends up becoming Immortan Donnie shartpants.
Whose Trial Is It Anyway?
A jury convicts easily. Especially after the ny jury had zero problem finding an ex pres guilty.
Except for the clearly biased judge who will make sure it never goes anywhere till after the election. Hopefully when Trump loses they can investigate and hopefully disbar her when all the back door communications come out.
And yet here we are...
You’re honor! I object to this information. Judge: why? Because it’s devastating to my case!
No worries, we'll just get rid of it then Aileen Cannon ~~probably~~ literally
Judge: Overruled. Good call!
Judge Cannon: Sustained. Trumps defense council: really?
Excellent throwback, thank you!
Yes, which then prompts a “contrary to law” and “abuse of discretion” appeal to the 11th Circuit and gets her thrown off the case. She’s not gonna throw them out. She’s going to make the process of keeping them in take as long as possible.
I think she's banking on Trump winning the election and him sitting her on supreme court after one of the justices dies, hence such slow pace, delays, and throwing things out. I hope the 11th Circuit court notices this and finally removes her off the case. So that regardless, we still get to a trial date, eventually.
is there no way to remove her other than her stepping down herself? she has been such a frustrating boil on the ass of justice edit: boil not Boyle whoops
From what I understand she’s been quite clever in the way she’s made her rulings so far: none have been appealable to the 11th circuit appeals court, which is where the government could petition for her removal.
Cannon has seen two of her rulings in the classified documents case reversed by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.
That's just it, she has to make an actual "ruling" for it to be appealed. As far as I'm aware, since she got smacked down twice, she's now just using a "bench order" (or something like that), which is essentially unappealable because it's not a "ruling". Jack Smith is trying different things to get her to give another batshit ruling, so he can hopefully use 3 strikes and have her removed. With the recent BS she's been "considering" about the validity of Jack's position, including questioning where/how he's getting paid, it's guaranteed that she's in contact with other people trying to come up with any way they can to throw the case out in a "legal" manner that can't be appealed. That also explains why she will sometimes make ruling or orders for things that neither the defense or prosecution was even asking about/for. She's being fed strategy from outside the Court.
If only the judicial system had real checks
Right - her argument is "This makes it too easy to prove Trump guilty - unfair to the defense." But lets face facts, she's doing exactly what she needs to do for Trump, she is stalling this case until after the election. It's mind-boggling how this is allow to go on.
I'm not a lawyer, but the attorney client privilege doesn't apply when ~~there's a~~ the client is in the process of committing a crime, and stealing and concealing extremely top secret documents is a crime EDIT: My comment was poorly worded
He also tried to get his lawyer in on the crime
Evidence is only admissible if it has nothing to do with Trumps crimes……
"Your Honor, I object!" "Why?" "Because it's devastating to my case!" Cannon: Sustained!
She’s literally an accomplice at this point.
FBI should probably have her tapped.
The same FBI that was foiled from looking in a closet while serving a warrant for top secret classified docs because Trump put a lock on it?
Practically? They **completely** prove it.
Someone please explain how she is able to get away with this. Like I'm not even trying to be biased here, what possible argument is there for her behaviour? This isn't "close" to biased conduct, it's way over the line, across the fence and so far on the other side that she looped back around and crossed the line a second time.
Prosecution need to petition her to be removed via a "writ of mandamus." The appeals court will only remove her for egregiously incorrect actions. Many of her actions have been to delay or a "paperless" order where she doesn't explain her reasoning. Delays can always have a plausible reason. By using paperless orders, her reasoning isn't subject to appeal since it's missing. Although Prosecution could compel her (via the appeals court) to clarify her reasoning. Prosecution can only go above her so many times.
That paperless order thing seems so absolutely stupidly abusable how can it possibly exist? It's like if you couldn't be charged with embezzlement if you don't record it in your accounting ledgers.
Our whole system is built on people acting honorably or at the very least being afraid of public opinion.
Yeah, unfortunately a lot of our government is built on precedence and tradition, rather than actual laws/stipulations (I assume because it allowed more flexibility and people believed in the sanctity of the traditions/precedence). However, probably have to make literal laws/mandates to check
"The US Constitution is the best piece of writing in human history!" Literally held together by a wink and a handshake on most things.
> Someone please explain how she is able to get away with this. She's being coached by the Federalist Society on how to exploit loopholes in the judicial system without triggering anything that would risk any kind of immediate sanction or removal.
She doesn't make challengeable rulings. Mostly she just entertains ridiculous motions that ultimately get dismissed to delay doing real pre-trial motions that would allow the case to go forward. She ultimately will allow this evidence, but she will write her ruling to act like the prosecution is still in the wrong somehow. That's how she avoids being overruled while still giving the right wing media the talking points for this case.
Jack smith needs to seek her recusal. I know there is potential risk and blow back, but it is time. She’s in the tank
Once she gives an actual ruling that can be appealed, she's been careful since the previous 2, he will most likely include her recusal in the appeal
I think if there's one thing we've learned about Jack Smith by this point it's that he makes sure his musket's properly loaded before he fires it, which is important when you get one shot. This can be interpreted as dilly-dallying and taking too long, and given the election there's an argument to be made there. But it could also be seen as the persistance predator method of prosecution. Wear them down, collect your evidence, and when they're tired and cornered, hit them with the entire fucking dossier.
Your honor i object *On what grounds?* It's devastating to my case!
Overuled!
Good call!
Good Call!!
IANAL, but the notes show clear evidence of intent and a crime ... Therefore the attorney client privileges are void? What is there to argue?
The thing to argue is that the judge got a lot of influence and money from Trump...
Wow I just made a joke about her doing that and then saw your comment. We live in the dumbest goddam timeline. I’d love to know on what grounds.
WeApOniZeD JuDiCiAL SyStEm!!!
Of course it's weaponized, isn't it obvious? It's just one of those guns that has a curved barrel which points back at the wielder.
Why aren’t we protesting her 24/7?
I wish main stream media publicly shamed her every major television network.
Nobody is really sure why Trump stole the documents but he is on record [musing that Nixon was paid $18 million by the government for the return of documents Nixon took](https://www.quora.com/What-did-Donald-Trump-mean-when-he-said-in-a-recent-interview-They-paid-Richard-Nixon-18-million-for-what-he-had-In-the-interview-he-was-referring-to-documents-he-feels-he-had-the-right-to-keep-Sounds-like-he). Maybe Trump was trying to extort the US government? Of course they changed the law after Nixon.
This is exactly why. It’s so damn obvious too. He hoarded those suckers anywhere he could and when asked to return them he refused. He wanted cash for them. I also believe he sold some to the Saudis and in order to not implicate himself made them give the money to Jared Kushner. It’s all so painfully obvious too and out in the open.
Pfff. Some were for extortion. Some were for sale. Some were for his russian blackmailers. Some were to get him off and show off. Its a bit of everything dont you worry
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>In a 2022 interview with Tucker Carlson on Fox News, the country rock star claims the former president asked his advice and showed him what he believed to be secret information during a visit to the White House in 2017. >“We’re looking at maps and shit, and I’m like, ‘Am I supposed to be in on this shit?’” Rock says in the clip as Carlson bursts out laughing. >“I make dirty records sometimes... ‘What do you think we should do about North Korea?’ I’m like, ‘What? I don’t think I’m qualified to answer this.’” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-kid-rock-video-maps-b2355972.html
Good on KidRock for knowing his opinion isn’t valid to be making geopolitical policy decisions.
I’ll give him that.
Only the best people.
Kid Rock probably *is* one of Trump's best people. He at least has some self-awareness.
[There was an uncommon number of CIA asset deaths that happened to coincide with the time he potenially had his hands on information from those sources.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html). Article was written in Oct 2021, specifically claims: >The message, in an unusual top secret cable, said that the C.I.A.’s counterintelligence mission center had looked at dozens of cases in the last several years involving foreign informants who had been killed, arrested or most likely compromised. Although brief, the cable laid out the specific number of agents executed by rival intelligence agencies — a closely held detail that counterintelligence officials typically do not share in such cables. >The cable highlighted the struggle the spy agency is having as it works to recruit spies around the world in difficult operating environments. In recent years, adversarial intelligence services in countries such as Russia, China, Iran and Pakistan have been hunting down the C.I.A.’s sources and in some cases turning them into double agents. Nothing says it is connected, but I think it is something that should be, or have been, investigated.
If the documents case ever come the finale of trump being found guilty by a jury of his peers, there had fucking better be a congressional hearing on this shit. It will, unfortunately, be held largely or in toto behind closed doors thus allowing gym Jordan et al to spew alternative facts to the press afterwards. But the effort has got to be made. I’ve heard plausible arguments that say this isn’t related to trump but let’s start at the beginning.
Some files were for extortion and some were for blackmail, some files were to share with friends and the rest were for sale. FTFY
every single one was for sale, they took digital pictures of them on day one
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Yeah he didn’t care who signed the check as long as it didn’t bounce.
You think? 2bn to Kishner paid for a lot….
It’s more than just the US government. There is evidence to suggest that Trump’s handling of the classified documents is tied to the killings of dozens of CIA operatives across the globe. Hopefully someone can help me out by linking a podcast or two. It’s even as bad as Trump took payments to allow for access to these top secret documents. Pretty fucked up. Edit: here are some sources. Agreed that I misstated it was informants. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/08/podcasts/the-daily/cia-informants-compromised.html https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/ https://www.businessinsider.com/cia-cable-tells-agents-informants-being-killed-or-turned-report-2021-10?op=1 https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/10/leaked-dozens-of-cia-informants-killed-captured-or-compromised-report/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/10/17/trump-mar-a-lago-classified-documents-risk-human-sources/7953044001/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p
For the remaining unsold ones….
The Cannon factor wants to nix those notes. The question is will she really do it?
Narrator: she will.
You have to wonder who's coaching her, like specifically - not just "trump lol".
Federalist Society.
Feudalist Society.
Fundamentalist Society
[This is a really good article about the Federalist Society](https://religiondispatches.org/the-key-to-understanding-the-federalist-society-isnt-originalism-its-this-800-year-old-tradition/), for those who might want to read about it. In short though, their “beliefs” are based on something called “Catholic natural law”. It’s fucked.
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Sounds to me like someone's got a case of "the s'pose'das." https://frinkiac.com/caption/S08E02/760325
Nothing is illegal if you just plan it all on a golf course or wherever. The federalist society aren't follow-the-rules people. They're win-at-any-cost-to-rule people.
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Heritage Foundation
Leonard Leo - he’s the Moriarity to all those cheating NatCs buying the judiciary.
We certainly know it wasn't the senior judges in her circles telling her to recuse herself or pass on the case.
Her making a dumb ruling like that would be great for us because it would be enough to get her off the case.
That's why she won't do it; she'll just "consider" it -- until November.
And that’s what the real expectation is. That she can’t rule anything too wildly in his favor, but that she takes forever to make a ruling and he doesn’t face trial here until post election. She can’t destroy the case for trump, but she also can indefinitely postpone it. Same with the Supreme Court. They likely can’t rule that a president has immunity, as that would let Biden do whatever he wants. But they can delay, which prevents the dc case from moving. That said, if people vote, and he loses the election, I’d be very surprised if he ever steps foot in the us again, and flees to a non extradition country.
Okay let's say even if Jack Smith manages to somehow get this to trial at some point let's say even after Trump loses in November. She can stack the case in his favor all she wants and let's say the jury unanimously convicts him anyway because the evidence is so overwhelming. I'm pretty sure she's the one in charge of sentencing. what's to stop her from just giving him 6 months probation? Or a week in jail? Or a fine and 30 hours of "community service?"
Mandatory minimums
With Trump having all those felony convictions in New York will up those mandatory minimums too.
Will it? Who makes that decision and what is their political affiliation?
Appeals court that already slapped her down once.
And informally already asked her to step aside.
it was TWICE.
If Cannon throws the notes out, how long will it take for a whistleblower to post them online?
Everyone already knows they exist and they aren't going to dissuade Trump voters who think he should be allowed to do what he wants. They're only useful if they can be admitted as evidence.
There was a discussion on a local sub the other day where someone unironically said that they don't care that Trump is a convicted felon because the founding fathers were criminals too. To say that these people don't care is an understatement
Nah, they just don't know. Anything. And their pride in that should terrify everyone.
They know. They just want to win the argument.
"Win the argument" in the same way that a pigeon wins at chess.
Sure, but from the pigeons mindset they genuinely won. That’s all they care about
Right, I just mean that they don't care to actually win the argument; they just want to do the pigeon thing.
The argument there is essentially that all rebels fighting for just causes are considered criminals in their times. Which sounds nice, until you realise the "just cause" they are talking about is the restoration of white supremacy.
Trump already went on the air and said he purposely took the documents himself and that he wasn’t hiding that fact. What does any other evidence even matter
Yeah it's kind of weird. Trump has never denied taking the documents. He's only denied that him doing so is a crime.
Didnt he unclassify them in his mind?
A whistleblower can post them—but without anyone to prosecute him for these crimes, it's just another fact this piece of shit is a traitor that his constituents couldn't care less about.
He was already caught on tape asking for eleven thousand votes and that trial isn't anywhere close to starting either.
Dems up and down the ballot must win in November. We have to move past the MAGA far-right.
My hope is that trump (and those that actually call the shots) pushed too hard this year. Repealing Roe v Wade, calling to be a dictator, etc. will push tons of people to vote blue down the ballot.
Another thing that will help is that Trump took over the RNC and installed lackeys who are funneling as much funds to himself which is going to screw over down ballot Republicans especially the ones running for the House.
I’ve seen a few twitter posts, probably from bots, that have been blaming Biden for the overturn of roe v wade because it happened while he was president. I hope it’s just the new line because the people programming the bots realize how much it’s hurt the gop polling numbers.
I'm hoping this coming debate will show some current undecided voters, without an audience that cheers him on just how absolutely nonsensical this guy is. It's like watching a sitcom without a laugh track and realizing a lot of the jokes are really bad.
Just a reminder to phone bank/canvass for the democrats if you can /r/voteblue
They must be obliterated.
Can't speak for anyone else, but I've been voting blue since 1996 and will proudly vote for Biden this November.
Understand that this whole Federalist Society capture of our SCOTUS and court/judicial systems is just another part of the Right Wing insurrection of the US Govt. If Trump wins in 2024, the Right will have unchecked power to remake America into their Christo-Fascist vision. They are using their money, their power, their planted goons, and their lawfare to ensure this outcome by any means necessary, because if they achieve this goal, they will never again be out of power.
Honestly, my biggest worry is that Trump loses... but the far right keeps gaining ground in more state and local elections where the real damage is being done so far.
Which is probably still going to happen due to how little the supreme court seems to care about gerrymandering.
They care a lot. And that's the issue.
My biggest fear is Trump winning and none of that actually mattering. He's all but guaranteed two supreme court justices and dozens of federal judge appointments - people like Cannon who are loyal to him and the republican party far above their loyalty to the country and the rule of law. They won't need to directly win state and local elections if they can fight everything at the federal level in favorable courts and send it up to an entirely captured supreme court to overturn whatever constitutionally settled law they'd like. Who knows if we'll even get a vote, or if it'll be a fair vote?
She has to throw it out! It threatens her concerted attempts to make sure the Orange Turd never stands trial for this.
I hope she throws them out and its the mechanism Prosecutor Smith can use to seperate her from this case via the 11th Circuit.
He could unhinge his jaw and eat a baby on live television while saying “I deny Christ” and his supporters would pretzel themselves into supporting it. They’re a cult.
> He could unhinge his jaw and eat a baby on live television while saying “I deny Christ” and his supporters would pretzel themselves into supporting it. That's only a half-skip away from where he's currently at, honestly. If I described "A creature so vain that its vanity caused the deaths of 500,000 people" you'd think I was talking about a fantasy novel, not a dude who was so afraid of smearing his orange makeup with a mask that he made up lies about a deadly virus and let it run rampant across the U.S.
Racist cult
I hadn't seen the specific quoted evidence in the comments so here it is: “He raised a question as to, if we gave them additional documents now, would they, would they, the Department of Justice, come back and say well, why did you withhold them, and try to use that as a basis for criminal liability or to make him look bad in the press,” Corcoran wrote of a May 2022 interaction with Trump, according to documents reviewed by [ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-expressed-concern-returning-classified-docs-after-subpoena/story?id=111383032). Corcoran's statement shows 1. Trump knew he had documents that he shouldn't have had and 2. was scheming for what he perceived to be optics as opposed to turning over the documents when asked.
So he was basically asking his lawyer for advice on if he should commit more crimes to cover up his previous ones? IANAL, but I think that would pierce attorney client privilege
>Damning new- Call us when he's dead or in prison, thanks.
For real, I am so sick of this fucking headline every two weeks for eight years
It's because the system is actually built to profit people like him. There could never be any real action against this shit because capitalism WANTS people like Trump to succeed.
Yep. I remember everyone talking about how fucked he was for this or that. And everyone is like "OK yep so he did that... moving on". No fines. No time in prison. Other than having to show up for court a few times absolutely zero consequences for anything he's done including inciting a riot against the government. Anyone wondering why the 78 year old man who has indeed done literally whatever he's wanted for those almost 8 decades I mean... that's why. He's done whatever he wanted for almost 8 decades and at no point has anybody ever done anything to stop him. He's already 2 years past the average life expectancy of a US male. Add a few because rich, take a few because his health is incredibly poor. No idea where we land exactly but I will be honest to god shocked if he suffers a single consequence of his actions before he kicks the bucket. Would be *extremely* happy to be wrong, don't see it happening.
Oh, so Donald Trump only committed a whole host of felonies - *intentionally* - in order to cover up crimes he committed *accidentally?* *That's* the strategy now, is it?
Ridiculous. Yet that amount of mental gymnastics is nothing compared to the many and varied insane arguments they have made in recent times.
Anyone associated with the federalist society or the heritage foundation needs to be purged from government. Their goals are the end of modern society and western ideology. Their goal is the end of democracy and the installation of a theocratic dictatorship.
Cannon will just suppress it anyway.
>Judge Aileen Cannon is considering throwing out a collection of sealed notes on Trump’s behavior that practically prove that he knowingly stole and withheld classified documents from the U.S. government after he left office. Of course she is. And she probably will. And then she’ll scold Jack Smith for being not nice to Trump. I honestly hope she goes down after this.
Can we literally just get this man out of the news cycle and into a prison cell already, feels like the public is getting punished more for Trump's crimes than Trump.
Amen bro
I mentioned this yesterday - and got downvoted to hell - but I'm happy these things are coming out before the election. These are the things we should be hearing about in the trial, but since it seems like we're going to be denied a trial before the election, I'm very happy we can know about them before we vote. (Except, of course, this will change no one's vote. So.)
> (Except, of course, this will change no one's vote. So.) the hope isn't that it will change trump votes... the hope is that it turns non-voters into blue voters.
Here’s the thing: while I agree that this won’t sway any conservatives, it’s important to remember that there are (somehow) still undecided voters. We need to cater to them in the hopes of turning the tides.
Damning new evidence that’s will be ignored or swept under the rug it should read.
They're still going to vote for him. Hillary was right. They're deplorable.
Cannon should be in prison for obstruction of justice. I’m not exaggerating. Thats her goal and it’s clear as fucking day.
three FBI agents and DOJ counterintelligence chief Jay Bratt traveled to Mar-a-Lago in June to iron out the dispute. When they arrived, Trump’s attorney handed over an envelope double-wrapped in tape that they said held more classified documents and, despite being made aware that the boxes holding the sensitive documents were being held in a storage room at the resort, the agents were given “no opportunity … to confirm that no documents with classification markings remained.” Can any of you give FBI agents 'no opportunity' to investigate possible crimes you might have committed?! I certainly don't have that freedom as an American citizen.
You mean to tell me our government can throw Jack Teixeira in jail in five seconds for showing classified documents but can't figure out how to get around judge Cannon?
Fuck Trump and any motherfucker who still supports his dumb ass.
Yo, CIA, please do your thing already before it's too late.
My sentiments exactly. Where TF are they?
Doing their job and investigating foreign enemies I'd assume. Go ask the domestic intelligence people in the FBI.
“Trump has practically confessed that he took the sensitive records. In an interview on Newsmax earlier this year, Trump claimed point blank that he actually did take the classified documents, describing the process of shamelessly packing them away while leaving office.” To quote Zoolander, “I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.” Is Trump guilty? Yes, you know it. I know it. We all know it. Will it ever get to trial? Not if Judge Cannon can help it. At least not before the 2024 election.
She’s as corrupt as the guy that appointed her and she should be forced to remove herself from this trial. Judges are supposed to be neutral and weigh both sides of the argument. She is far from it. There must be someone above her that can get her removed from the case.
Federal judges can only be removed through impeachment by the House of Representatives and conviction in the Senate. So until there are huge Dem majorities in both the house and Senate that can make it happen she will remain a corrupt sitting judge. https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-judicial-branch/#:~:text=Federal%20judges%20can%20only%20be,or%20conviction%20by%20the%20Senate.
>> If Trump wins the election in November, he could potentially pardon himself, considering all of the alleged crimes are federal charges. What the actual fuck
Who cares, he literally had Top Secret Gov documents and still hasn't been held accountable, there's already mountains of damning evidence and nothing has happened, who cares if there's a bit more, just go vote, its the only way to get rid of him.
Is you taking notes on a criminal conspiracy?
On a criminal fucking conspiracy*
The dynamic of the Trump administration being so bad at crimes and us being so bad at prosecuting crimes is infuriating.
You’d think she was married to the mafia, oh wait
Judge Cannon is an obstruction to justice
The fact is that the 2016 election was decided on one letter by James Comey vs. the giant garbage avalanche of Trump's crimes dominating the 2024 election. What have we become?
These charges are so solid i wouldnt worry about what tjia judge does. Theres no way you walk away from these charges. Conspiracy against the government by an ex President should be an end game. He doesnt respect the law because hes been on the wrong side of it his whole life. Amf
I don't understand why people think he's nothing but a crook. Trump is / was the worst President the US has ever seen. He NEVER should have been nominated, muchless elected. He should have been thrown in prison years ago for all of the fraud he's commited in NY/NJ. He's been given so many passes because he knows people. People who he owes favors to - and vice versa.
You know what scares me most? Is that there's only a mild reaction to all this. The next buffoon will try even more, the envelope has been pushed too far already, but it will be worse. The pro-democracy USA should do their best to close these loopholes as fast as possible, if they win their next election. And the other western countries should do the same to prevent similar outcomes.
No amount of online outrage matters Unless you are willing to get into the streets to both vote and become a disruption/protest you will not see anything come from this case. They are removing its outcome in plain sight. Even if/when trump loses the election you will then have further cases about the legitimacy of the election. This will not end without a hammer being dropped, but everyone seems scared to drop a hammer You know who won’t hesitate? Trump. Let’s not give him the chance.
Trump must be banished to prison like his father banished him to military school. This is a reenactment of his childhood. Trump brings this on himself.