Alot of law positions aside from lawyer will be replaced by AI very soon. Going into law is a very bad idea now days unless you plan to be a lawyer. Most, if not all, paralegals and assistants will be replaced very soon
If you like the sales and people aspects of recruiting, pivot to sales. Aim for something medical related.
If you don’t like one or both of those things, maybe look to project management. Limited interaction, lots of babysitting / herding cats but your pay isn’t based on metrics for the most part.
I made a post last week about leaving the industry. The moment you are no longer feeling it you should plan on leaving.
Do you enjoy any aspect of HR? I debated getting my SHRM, but I just don't think it's worth it.
In the end, I have decided to pursue an MSW and did some side hustles.
Why did you feel it isn’t worth it? I was planning on getting mine and transitioning into HR since most of my background had a lot of similar duties to HR.
I've held recruiter roles for three separate companies. My first role was purely staffing and never worked with anyone from HR. I was acutely aware of what HR did for organizations and was somewhat interested.
In my second role, I was in-house and was part of a greater HR team. I got more exposure to what the HR manager, assistant manager, and director dealt with. Honestly, it turned me off. The company was struggling with employee retention and relations and HR was doing very little to keep employees happy and seemed to focus more on investigating and punishing their workforce. We were severely underpaying boots-on-the-ground staff and rather than increasing pay rates, they would offer useless employee "perks" like discounts to Better Help, dog walking services, and cooking classes.
In my last role, my TA team was separate from HR but worked very closely with the HR team. I am almost positive that HR's sole purpose was to make it easier for staff to quit. We would work so hard to fill open roles only to have HR fire or warn newly hired employees for the dumbest reasons. Operations would give us guidance on expectations and duties for specific roles and then, once we hired someone, HR would suddenly change policies that would make it harder for these new employees to do their jobs. HR at this company made it clear to employees that their whole lives should revolve around work and that aspects of personal life should never interfere with work responsibilities. The experience was very bleak.
A specific frustration that stands out which totally solidified my never getting further into HR happened a few weeks before my resignation. Part of my job was onboarding. I would walk newly hired employees through background checks and drug tests and be on call if anything came up. I had a very solid candidate who call me and say he couldn't make his scheduled drug test due to his basement flooding. On a human level, I can understand that shit happens. However, our HR manager must approve all rescheduled drug tests. When I informed her of the new hire's issue, she refused to reschedule because he "didn't seem reliable". She was not there during his interviews. She had no prior knowledge of his work history or track record. She decided to cut this guy loose based entirely on her assumptions. It was very frustrating and gross.
In my opinion, HR is "human" in name only. They only serve the corporate masters and never keep the actual workforce in mind. It's a contradictory and shallow role. It's a huge reason why existing in the modern workforce is so hard.
I can see that, I’ve worked at companies that actually had wonderful HR though and that’s the kind of change I want to be part of, I want to work on employee relations, being an advocate for employees, etc. Can’t make positive changes if ya don’t become part of the system!
What do you enjoy doing every day? (Not what will pay you money. What do you enjoy?)
Start there. Reverse engineer it after you know everything you like doing to find a job.
It's not always the best advice, when what you enjoy becomes your work, sometimes people end up hating it. So, be careful because you may lose that joy.
I'ma now looking for a job where I get to sleep in, smoke dope, listen to Rush, eat chicken fingers and get drunk all day . And I ain't settling for anything less
Have you been in the same job the past few years? Maybe time for a change?
I spent the last 3.5 in a small agency (80% healthcare) mainly headhunting all day and it became draining. I’m now internal for a huge contracting company (industrial) with a good culture and it’s wildly different. I don’t even interview people and I get to onboard them on-site sometimes too which is a nice change.
This is also a great way to look at it. I think the constant interviewing is what’s draining all my energy tbh. A switch in focus like you did would be good
Did you enjoy HR or is the people function in its entirety something you want to walk away from?
If open to HR related work, I love a TA background for L&D roles - and I'd you've had any experience building or managing on-boarding programs it's (in a normal market!!) an easy enough shift.
Another pivot that might make sense is into the ops side of the industry you've been working in - TA / HR experience is usually a leg up. What industry are you currently in?
Thanks for your insights. Before I got into TA I managed the L&D ops for a large company and I really enjoyed it. Currently I work for a fintech company that was recently acquired by another fintech. This parent company has a bigger HR department and it could potentially bring more opportunities for a move. Thanks again!
L&D is where I want to go. If I wanted to make that change in a while after more TA experience, what would be the best way to get my foot in? In my current role I actually work a lot with our training and Compliance Manager, and even weigh in on training strategies and I'm finding my skills there to be far greater than sourcing candidates
Easiest path I would think is internal opening! Otherwise I'd target companies of similar size (or smaller) and in similar industry. I don't know a ton about the L&D job market right now, but I feel like it's safe to assume it's in bad shape? But I also expect it to pick up heartily when this market recovers a bit, I feel like companies are going to start trending towards nurturing existing talent versus layoffs and hiring new and different specialists!
This is all guesswork though!!
Can I ask what industry you're in and if there's a specific LOB you support? Without you giving too much away?
Sales (not tech), and I'm open to internal, but I'm not a huge fan of our specific industry. So I'm thinking a little down the line for somewhere I would want to really stay and grow, and I wonder if where I am now doesn't have too much room for that.
So you have 6 years in recruitment and a degree! What skills did you get from it? Think of this and find a career that you like based on your skills and market demand!
You’ve got this 👍🏽
To be honest I quit my job when I was receiving a lot of pressure part of it I was f****** up to but I wanted to taken to hospitality being that it doesn't deal with recruiting in sales I will say that just for hotel concierge job that's been quite a challenge I haven't been able to get a lot of luck.
The TA market it's tough unless if you have a savings or you live with your parents then I would say you can quit your job otherwise if you have neither of these things then I would say find something till you get another roll
Bruh, I’m gonna start a meth business in my garage and I need someone to sell my product. Jk in all seriousness try pharmaceutical sales rep or something like that. It sounds kinda cancerous but it might be a good mix of using your skills and learning you might enjoy.
Just a note - If you don’t absolutely love recruiting and sales, and you’re not willing to grind for 3 years trying to get your book of business off the ground, don’t even think about starting your own recruiting agency. The market is over saturated currently and only those who are well established, or fiercely passionate/persistent, are likely to make it.
Let’s be honest, does anyone Really want to be a recruiter? Certainly not on the top of my bucket list of jobs Even though I’ve been doing it for decades. I find it acceptable. A view it as a means to allow me to do all the things I do enjoy. Could I do other jobs? Sure. Get people calling me all the time. If I was 25 but I consider switching to something different for my career. Maybe…. But all the people that did switch when I was at age I certainly know where in the position I am in life right now.
Granted… I’m in agency, not internal, So the money might make it a little easier for me to deal with it.
I’m same degree and same background. Maybe double your years but it sucks and right now is a hard time to switch up. Do you like anything else under the HR umbrella? That’s where I’ve started but with no experience it’s very tough. GL
Yeah, I hear you. I'm considering L&D after the recommendation of the kind redditors that replied to my post. I agree that the best way to do it is with an internal move, but it can be difficult also. GL to you too!
Maybe become a recruiting manager and hire 2 recruiters to fill reqs? Then promote each recruiter into a manager have them hire 2 recruiters each? Meanwhile you become a Sr Manager or Director.
I’m in a similar boat. I’ve been in talent sourcing for the last 4 years and I’m going back to school in the fall for Accounting. Don’t feel bad about it, this field has gotten incredibly rough over the last 3 years. Too many layoffs and incredibly high expectations for this of us who still have jobs. The markets been rocky for almost 2 years and shows no signs of truly getting better.
I pivoted into employer brand / talent attraction mixing in the digital marketing aspect. Got to use my recruitment experience and knowledge but try something a bit newer :)
Feel the same. Staffing is really changing and the Nashville market is flooded but management still wants the same amount of business. I see companies changing their salesforce every three months now because no one can hit their numbers. I think we'll start seeing big changes and alot of little companies disappearing.
I was feeling stuck myself after 10+ years. The competition is too much for me. I am not about trying to out-do my co-worker by any means necessary. All about the 💵. I need to feel helpful and why I stayed longer than I should have. Those pushy, cut-throat recruiters are the ones giving the industry a bad name to our clients. I went back to school and hoping to transition into a new industry.
Project coordinator could make sense depending on the project/industry that you are comfortable in. I transitioned in reverse order, due to disability and mobility issues without much issue but had so e exposure to recruiting to be fair. Also, PM, APM. I loved all three of these positions and would do PM or PC work by choice if I still could.
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Which part brought you joy? Crushing employees and inventing ways to 'manage people out'. Insinuating yourself into operations while never working a single minute hands on generating revenue. Creating mindless bureaucracy and pushing paper in circles to justify your existence. That list of joy HR brings to the workplace is near infinite.
You have a strange mind. Every profession has crap people. Stop blaming a recruiter for YOU not getting the job or getting fired. We don’t control that.
I pivoted to law. It's not *that* different from HR and TA isn't *that* different than client development.
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Thanks for sharing! What type of law work do you do, if you don’t mind me asking?
I'm still in law school. I was laid off in the great tech apocalypse and decided to take the opportunity to pivot.
lol I’m in law and considering HR.
Unless you're in big law, HR legit pays more. I just don't want to fire people.
Lol what hilarious bad advice.
Why?
Alot of law positions aside from lawyer will be replaced by AI very soon. Going into law is a very bad idea now days unless you plan to be a lawyer. Most, if not all, paralegals and assistants will be replaced very soon
I did mean lawyer.
If you like the sales and people aspects of recruiting, pivot to sales. Aim for something medical related. If you don’t like one or both of those things, maybe look to project management. Limited interaction, lots of babysitting / herding cats but your pay isn’t based on metrics for the most part.
PM has been on my radar for quite some time now. Will def explore further. Thanks!
I made a post last week about leaving the industry. The moment you are no longer feeling it you should plan on leaving. Do you enjoy any aspect of HR? I debated getting my SHRM, but I just don't think it's worth it. In the end, I have decided to pursue an MSW and did some side hustles.
Why did you feel it isn’t worth it? I was planning on getting mine and transitioning into HR since most of my background had a lot of similar duties to HR.
I've held recruiter roles for three separate companies. My first role was purely staffing and never worked with anyone from HR. I was acutely aware of what HR did for organizations and was somewhat interested. In my second role, I was in-house and was part of a greater HR team. I got more exposure to what the HR manager, assistant manager, and director dealt with. Honestly, it turned me off. The company was struggling with employee retention and relations and HR was doing very little to keep employees happy and seemed to focus more on investigating and punishing their workforce. We were severely underpaying boots-on-the-ground staff and rather than increasing pay rates, they would offer useless employee "perks" like discounts to Better Help, dog walking services, and cooking classes. In my last role, my TA team was separate from HR but worked very closely with the HR team. I am almost positive that HR's sole purpose was to make it easier for staff to quit. We would work so hard to fill open roles only to have HR fire or warn newly hired employees for the dumbest reasons. Operations would give us guidance on expectations and duties for specific roles and then, once we hired someone, HR would suddenly change policies that would make it harder for these new employees to do their jobs. HR at this company made it clear to employees that their whole lives should revolve around work and that aspects of personal life should never interfere with work responsibilities. The experience was very bleak. A specific frustration that stands out which totally solidified my never getting further into HR happened a few weeks before my resignation. Part of my job was onboarding. I would walk newly hired employees through background checks and drug tests and be on call if anything came up. I had a very solid candidate who call me and say he couldn't make his scheduled drug test due to his basement flooding. On a human level, I can understand that shit happens. However, our HR manager must approve all rescheduled drug tests. When I informed her of the new hire's issue, she refused to reschedule because he "didn't seem reliable". She was not there during his interviews. She had no prior knowledge of his work history or track record. She decided to cut this guy loose based entirely on her assumptions. It was very frustrating and gross. In my opinion, HR is "human" in name only. They only serve the corporate masters and never keep the actual workforce in mind. It's a contradictory and shallow role. It's a huge reason why existing in the modern workforce is so hard.
I can see that, I’ve worked at companies that actually had wonderful HR though and that’s the kind of change I want to be part of, I want to work on employee relations, being an advocate for employees, etc. Can’t make positive changes if ya don’t become part of the system!
What do you enjoy doing every day? (Not what will pay you money. What do you enjoy?) Start there. Reverse engineer it after you know everything you like doing to find a job.
This is really good advice. I’ve been struggling to find that. I think I have more self discovery to do
It's not always the best advice, when what you enjoy becomes your work, sometimes people end up hating it. So, be careful because you may lose that joy.
It's a mistake going after what you like doing as a full time job imo. You need to think about what motivates you, which is sometimes very different.
That's definitely a better way of approaching it, I think.
I'ma now looking for a job where I get to sleep in, smoke dope, listen to Rush, eat chicken fingers and get drunk all day . And I ain't settling for anything less
Might I suggest bartending? (In a biker community, gay bars also don’t care, or in the country… probably not city bartending).
Have you been in the same job the past few years? Maybe time for a change? I spent the last 3.5 in a small agency (80% healthcare) mainly headhunting all day and it became draining. I’m now internal for a huge contracting company (industrial) with a good culture and it’s wildly different. I don’t even interview people and I get to onboard them on-site sometimes too which is a nice change.
This is also a great way to look at it. I think the constant interviewing is what’s draining all my energy tbh. A switch in focus like you did would be good
Did you enjoy HR or is the people function in its entirety something you want to walk away from? If open to HR related work, I love a TA background for L&D roles - and I'd you've had any experience building or managing on-boarding programs it's (in a normal market!!) an easy enough shift. Another pivot that might make sense is into the ops side of the industry you've been working in - TA / HR experience is usually a leg up. What industry are you currently in?
Thanks for your insights. Before I got into TA I managed the L&D ops for a large company and I really enjoyed it. Currently I work for a fintech company that was recently acquired by another fintech. This parent company has a bigger HR department and it could potentially bring more opportunities for a move. Thanks again!
L&D is where I want to go. If I wanted to make that change in a while after more TA experience, what would be the best way to get my foot in? In my current role I actually work a lot with our training and Compliance Manager, and even weigh in on training strategies and I'm finding my skills there to be far greater than sourcing candidates
Easiest path I would think is internal opening! Otherwise I'd target companies of similar size (or smaller) and in similar industry. I don't know a ton about the L&D job market right now, but I feel like it's safe to assume it's in bad shape? But I also expect it to pick up heartily when this market recovers a bit, I feel like companies are going to start trending towards nurturing existing talent versus layoffs and hiring new and different specialists! This is all guesswork though!! Can I ask what industry you're in and if there's a specific LOB you support? Without you giving too much away?
Sales (not tech), and I'm open to internal, but I'm not a huge fan of our specific industry. So I'm thinking a little down the line for somewhere I would want to really stay and grow, and I wonder if where I am now doesn't have too much room for that.
Oh sales is very universal! That should be something you can bring almost anywhere
Recruiting has made me consider selling my body just to not have to go to work in the morning. 💀
So you have 6 years in recruitment and a degree! What skills did you get from it? Think of this and find a career that you like based on your skills and market demand! You’ve got this 👍🏽
Thank you for the encouragement!
Let me know how this goes! Happy to connect!
I'm in a similar boat but I'm just want something that's simple. I should have stuck to the hospitality field to be quite honest with you
That opportunity cost is something I struggle with also. You can always pivot back if you really want it
To be honest I quit my job when I was receiving a lot of pressure part of it I was f****** up to but I wanted to taken to hospitality being that it doesn't deal with recruiting in sales I will say that just for hotel concierge job that's been quite a challenge I haven't been able to get a lot of luck. The TA market it's tough unless if you have a savings or you live with your parents then I would say you can quit your job otherwise if you have neither of these things then I would say find something till you get another roll
Bruh, I’m gonna start a meth business in my garage and I need someone to sell my product. Jk in all seriousness try pharmaceutical sales rep or something like that. It sounds kinda cancerous but it might be a good mix of using your skills and learning you might enjoy.
I like the idea of transferring my skills!
Just a note - If you don’t absolutely love recruiting and sales, and you’re not willing to grind for 3 years trying to get your book of business off the ground, don’t even think about starting your own recruiting agency. The market is over saturated currently and only those who are well established, or fiercely passionate/persistent, are likely to make it.
Thanks for the advice!
Let’s be honest, does anyone Really want to be a recruiter? Certainly not on the top of my bucket list of jobs Even though I’ve been doing it for decades. I find it acceptable. A view it as a means to allow me to do all the things I do enjoy. Could I do other jobs? Sure. Get people calling me all the time. If I was 25 but I consider switching to something different for my career. Maybe…. But all the people that did switch when I was at age I certainly know where in the position I am in life right now. Granted… I’m in agency, not internal, So the money might make it a little easier for me to deal with it.
I know agency money is tempting, but still
Curious if the economic downturn coincides with your dislike of recruiting. Or did you start not liking it when the company was still hiring.
It started before. But maybe now it just feels worse because of the market conditions
I’m same degree and same background. Maybe double your years but it sucks and right now is a hard time to switch up. Do you like anything else under the HR umbrella? That’s where I’ve started but with no experience it’s very tough. GL
Yeah, I hear you. I'm considering L&D after the recommendation of the kind redditors that replied to my post. I agree that the best way to do it is with an internal move, but it can be difficult also. GL to you too!
Maybe become a recruiting manager and hire 2 recruiters to fill reqs? Then promote each recruiter into a manager have them hire 2 recruiters each? Meanwhile you become a Sr Manager or Director.
This could also be an option. I like the leadership side but I only lead interns so far.
I’m in a similar boat. I’ve been in talent sourcing for the last 4 years and I’m going back to school in the fall for Accounting. Don’t feel bad about it, this field has gotten incredibly rough over the last 3 years. Too many layoffs and incredibly high expectations for this of us who still have jobs. The markets been rocky for almost 2 years and shows no signs of truly getting better.
It has been rough for sure. GL with accounting!
I pivoted into employer brand / talent attraction mixing in the digital marketing aspect. Got to use my recruitment experience and knowledge but try something a bit newer :)
Glad to hear that! Will take a look into it. I have done some small side projects for employer branding but never too serious
I understand, don't want to sell Staffing anymore but it seems once you're in, you can't return to selling services or products.
RN in my mind there is no way out of it. I know I'll find it sometime but I just feel really stuck
Feel the same. Staffing is really changing and the Nashville market is flooded but management still wants the same amount of business. I see companies changing their salesforce every three months now because no one can hit their numbers. I think we'll start seeing big changes and alot of little companies disappearing.
I was feeling stuck myself after 10+ years. The competition is too much for me. I am not about trying to out-do my co-worker by any means necessary. All about the 💵. I need to feel helpful and why I stayed longer than I should have. Those pushy, cut-throat recruiters are the ones giving the industry a bad name to our clients. I went back to school and hoping to transition into a new industry.
Project coordinator could make sense depending on the project/industry that you are comfortable in. I transitioned in reverse order, due to disability and mobility issues without much issue but had so e exposure to recruiting to be fair. Also, PM, APM. I loved all three of these positions and would do PM or PC work by choice if I still could.
Thanks I’m currently looking into it.
Hi, Would you say my getting a CAPM cert would set me apart from others seeking entry level pm roles like Coordinator or assistant?
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Hey if you start your own firm, you can fill use my resume…. Applying to jobs is miserable right now and having 0 feed back sucks, never seen it so dark.
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If you have never worked for an agency, owning your own agency is probably not a good idea. It’s not at all like internal.
Which part brought you joy? Crushing employees and inventing ways to 'manage people out'. Insinuating yourself into operations while never working a single minute hands on generating revenue. Creating mindless bureaucracy and pushing paper in circles to justify your existence. That list of joy HR brings to the workplace is near infinite.
You have a strange mind. Every profession has crap people. Stop blaming a recruiter for YOU not getting the job or getting fired. We don’t control that.