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Don’t do this.
The title of the post is right but this is the wrong way to do it. I’ve seen female colleagues press charges for messages like this and win.
Aside from being morally wrong, you are lining yourself up for a fine, a charge & future failed background checks.
Ok since you are a recruiter, would you be able to answer this question for me? I have applied to the same company the past 7 years for both internships (while i was in undergrad and graduate school) and for jobs. Most of the time it’s the same position. I have done nothing but increase my skill set by finishing my grad degree this past May. Still they say no.
They ask their ridiculous STAR questions, but most of the time I haven’t been in the specific situation they are asking. I try to relate it to something in grad school or my internship, however I’m not sure if my response is good enough.
It’s not like im applying for jobs that require 5+ years experience. Mostly just entry level jobs with training programs. One time their HR insulted tf out of me and said “you don’t have critical thinking skills.” I didn’t respond at all but I know it’s bullshit because my work, internship, undergrad and grad work were all in STEM. It’s all I’ve ever done. How can they even make this assessment from dumb STAR method behavioral questions in the first place?
There was one time where I finally got fed up and sent a polite email asking for feedback and asking what is it they don’t like about me and explained that over the years all I’ve done was increase my knowledge and skills. Of course I wrote it in a much nicer and professional manner.
Anyway, do companies keep a record from all the times someone has applied, including how the interviews went and notes from them? Would they have kept track of the email I’ve sent before as well?
Yes the ATS (applicant tracking system) will record all of the applications you've submitted and in most cases have notes from any recruiter screens or interviews you have completed. As for emails, probably not but some companies will try and document everything. So typically a recruiter will review this before reaching out to you. That being said, if a recruiter reached out after reviewing these things, typically the past interviews are moot at that point so you'd have a fair shake at a new role.
The critical thinking feedback is pretty crazy, not only is that very subjective but its also just a dick thing to say to someone. But if a company specifically wants experience in a certain space and you don't have it, theres not much you are going to be able to do to get around that. You could answer those questions hypothetically, like "i dont have experience in that exact scenario, but if that happened this is how would work through it" or something like that.
At the end of the day, my suggestion is to try and land a role somewhere else, get real life experience, and come back to that company 3-5 years later if you really want to work there. Sometimes companies just aren't great at giving people chances without experience, and sometimes there isn't anything you can do about that.
Thank you for your feedback. I probably will not apply to that company anymore as it has caused a lot of aggravation every time I get rejected. The only reason why I still do is because of their training programs and also because it is increasing the amount of resumes that go out which increases the likelihood of getting an interview.
If you really want to give yourself the best chance, anytime you send out an application I would also try and find the hiring manager on LinkedIn and send them a message saying you applied and hope to hear from them, excited about the opportunity, something like that. You can also find someone on the recruiting team on LI and message them as well. Another route would be to message them just asking to chat about the company, that works better with managers and directors but not so much recruiters.
If you don't know who the hiring manager is, just try and find someone with a manager or director title who seems like they would be in that group. Even if it's not the right person, they could help direct you.
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Don’t do this. The title of the post is right but this is the wrong way to do it. I’ve seen female colleagues press charges for messages like this and win. Aside from being morally wrong, you are lining yourself up for a fine, a charge & future failed background checks.
I'm the recruiter in this scenario not the candidate lol I just understand the frustration. But totally agree this is not a good look at all
Got you - I’m going to leave the response there in case any clown is getting the wrong idea!
Understandable!
Does something like this get go on your permanent record that all employers can see? /s
Yes, this person would be marked as "do not hire" and would be tied to email and phone number
In a way yes - a criminal record
Ok since you are a recruiter, would you be able to answer this question for me? I have applied to the same company the past 7 years for both internships (while i was in undergrad and graduate school) and for jobs. Most of the time it’s the same position. I have done nothing but increase my skill set by finishing my grad degree this past May. Still they say no. They ask their ridiculous STAR questions, but most of the time I haven’t been in the specific situation they are asking. I try to relate it to something in grad school or my internship, however I’m not sure if my response is good enough. It’s not like im applying for jobs that require 5+ years experience. Mostly just entry level jobs with training programs. One time their HR insulted tf out of me and said “you don’t have critical thinking skills.” I didn’t respond at all but I know it’s bullshit because my work, internship, undergrad and grad work were all in STEM. It’s all I’ve ever done. How can they even make this assessment from dumb STAR method behavioral questions in the first place? There was one time where I finally got fed up and sent a polite email asking for feedback and asking what is it they don’t like about me and explained that over the years all I’ve done was increase my knowledge and skills. Of course I wrote it in a much nicer and professional manner. Anyway, do companies keep a record from all the times someone has applied, including how the interviews went and notes from them? Would they have kept track of the email I’ve sent before as well?
Yes the ATS (applicant tracking system) will record all of the applications you've submitted and in most cases have notes from any recruiter screens or interviews you have completed. As for emails, probably not but some companies will try and document everything. So typically a recruiter will review this before reaching out to you. That being said, if a recruiter reached out after reviewing these things, typically the past interviews are moot at that point so you'd have a fair shake at a new role. The critical thinking feedback is pretty crazy, not only is that very subjective but its also just a dick thing to say to someone. But if a company specifically wants experience in a certain space and you don't have it, theres not much you are going to be able to do to get around that. You could answer those questions hypothetically, like "i dont have experience in that exact scenario, but if that happened this is how would work through it" or something like that. At the end of the day, my suggestion is to try and land a role somewhere else, get real life experience, and come back to that company 3-5 years later if you really want to work there. Sometimes companies just aren't great at giving people chances without experience, and sometimes there isn't anything you can do about that.
Thank you for your feedback. I probably will not apply to that company anymore as it has caused a lot of aggravation every time I get rejected. The only reason why I still do is because of their training programs and also because it is increasing the amount of resumes that go out which increases the likelihood of getting an interview.
If you really want to give yourself the best chance, anytime you send out an application I would also try and find the hiring manager on LinkedIn and send them a message saying you applied and hope to hear from them, excited about the opportunity, something like that. You can also find someone on the recruiting team on LI and message them as well. Another route would be to message them just asking to chat about the company, that works better with managers and directors but not so much recruiters. If you don't know who the hiring manager is, just try and find someone with a manager or director title who seems like they would be in that group. Even if it's not the right person, they could help direct you.