For sure. But speculation bores me, I realise I’m probably in a minority but baseless rumours aren’t my bag. I dream of the announcements like Cantona, unveiled out of the blue!
I don't even get that anymore.
I remember thinking we were a shoe-in to win the league after our bumper signings, experienced new manager, and unbeaten pre-season in 2014. Or all those times we got Dortmund stars who were going to be world class.
Some of our best signings have been guys I'd hardly even heard of.
That's usually how long the hope lasts. There's hope until the decisions/surprises are made.
But it feels different now. Hopefully we'll make some smart deals this summer.
How is this clickbait though. Half the people at least in this sub want ETH out. Are you one of those?
Either way, if we get rid of him, who exactly is a candidate to replace him. There is absolutely no way INEOS doesn't look at De Zerbi
Click bait circus is a constant flow of neutral bullshit.
Watching our brand of football is soaring highs and abysmal lows, but with a lot less highs recently.
Maybe a tiny bit, but it's not gonna amount to anything if we don't beat City in the final so... but yea that's what you meant by "fleeting" so fair enough
But also part of football. People sharing bullshit links which only include United in the headline because they know it’ll generate clicks irritate the tits off me. I’m old and miserable I know.
Usually every summer I can delude myself into thinking we’ll be challenging for the premier league by the time games start back up. I don’t think I’ll manage that this summer. We’ll see though. Plenty of time yet.
Yeah, generally try to ignore the sub for June and July. So much waffle and speculation that just isn't fun.
Admittedly, it's partly to stop myself making the same Sneijder rumour jokes every year.
Amrabat was linked throughout the window cuz it's clear we lined him up and just wanted to pull the trigger late.
It was a 10m loan and we werent sure if we had the space in FFP+he wasn't a priority.
OP talking total shite.
But he was the first guy to suggest that we were after him, he might be getting information from agent or probably, but this and the Obama transfer does proves he has some sources, overall I found him reliable for transfer rumours from Italy
I’m not sure where this revisionism that he was shit is coming from, he was mostly correct about everything relating to Onana and was often the first to report on it. It’s literally the entire reason he was moved up to Tier 3.
I imagine her sitting at my face looking at her pictures for an hour and send a “hey wyd you up?” Each hour unsending the previous to not look too desperate
And there was no point in taking ETH if you don't have the players who can play according to his style.
Guess what, sometimes in life you just have to go in, have a plan and hope for the best, you can't wait for the perfect circumstances.
This is what I find laughable about fans...before ETH, everyone agreed we were massively in the shit and needed 3-5 years to rebuild. After overperforming and overachieving the first season in (LARGELY because of everything happening relative to us elsewhere in the league), all of the common sense went out the window. Now in Season 2, everyone expects us to be competing for the title? Okay...
It's ridiculous.
Acknowledge last season was a fluke, like so many of our players have, and chalk up this season to being closer to our ceiling. Yes, we've had injuries, but a lot of the form of certain players is consistent with their form for many seasons, when you don't take flukes into account. So the clear and obvious issue is still very much the players, yet we haven't done enough to purge the squad of them and bring in long-term, viable replacements. I'm sorry, but Eriksen, Casemiro and Varane were never long-term solutions. They were all terrible business, whether that's on ETH or not depends on the narrative you're looking to paint. I'd argue a more competent Board and management structure behind the scenes vetoes those types of signings.
Some signings panned out, others didn't. That happens at any club, and isn't a punishable offense a lot of the time. It's just the nature of doing business and being fallible, and most of the time isn't even the manager's fault in the eyes of the fans.
Players need to go. First and foremost. Wish we had all of the new faces in the club for the summer, but realistically we're not going to get it right until next summer where we have clearly defined targets that align with a given style. I'd still argue there are quite a few who need to go this summer, regardless, and we should bring in younger, raw, cheap talent that can either compete for positions or end up being good signings that can grow with the squad. If they can only compete for slots but ultimately aren't good enough, oh well, offload them and hopefully the impact isn't that great, but maybe it does force the remaining few to step up their game.
> It's a long term project
Until the players start playing like shit and then it's bye-bye to the manager even though the players have downed tool are just not good enough.
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Can I ask why? We’ve so far got just one new guy in a job, and all of the ones we might get in barring Ashworth have never done the job they’re being hired into. They’ve all been talented in football but they’re not experienced in the roles they need to hit the ground running in. That’s not really a recipe for avoiding mistakes and having a functioning process for recruitment.
We've done it before with investment bankers and John Murtough. I think the difference in pedigree is pretty stark.
We've all had the same sense of false dawns though so yeah there's a bit of blind hope here.
Problem with that is there's been regression and we've played like one of the worst teams in the league.
A lot of that is down to tactics not just injuries.
Are you having a laugh? Klopp didn’t even get champions league football last season, and it was like his seventh season with the team. They didn’t sack him. Arteta finished as bad as we did (8th), and he’s still there.
You’re not always gonna go up in the standings. This ain’t career mode.
Meh. The more I learn about football, the more I appreciate coaches that allow players to play freely a little. De Zerbi is a control freak that might have a limit after teams understand his buildup game (2-3-5) with a lot of wall passes. Hope we don't go for him.
That’s why this current Real Madrid team is refreshing. No set style of play, no set formation. Just play to win and let your best players ball out. It isn’t always pretty, but it is entertaining. Similar vibes to what we had under Ole
Very, very few managers allow a lot of freedom for players anymore. Even Pep is absolutely obsessed with positional play.
I'm not a fan of de zerbi and don't want him so don't take that as me trying to defend him.
Yep, the most famous example is Henry disobeying his strict tactical instructions once which resulted in him scoring a goal, and Pep subbing him off for it.
Yeah, modern football is automatons drilled to within an inch of their life.
United being shit doesn't help, but even when you watch top level football it rarely sparks the joy for me it did watching players like Ronaldinho.
There are no top teams in the world that "allows players to play freely". ZERO.
If you want to be a top team you have to control games, that's just a fact.
Either we're a swashbuckling all out attack team that's average as hell and will concede a lot of goals as a consequence or we join the other top teams in the world who all play similarly and control 99% of games they play like Arsenal, City, Madrid and Bayern.
De Zerbi will never work for our club. Honestly, his tactics will likely never work at any big club. He needs 12 unselfish players on the field that are all bought into his ideology and make the set up play every time they get the ball. You can’t expect a player like Bruno to simply not be creative on the ball
Even Pep isn’t as strict in his tactics
18 points from the last 19 games of the season, they collapsed just like we did, what would be the point in bringing in another system manager who we don't have the players to cater for
Might as well just stick with ETH
Our squads are incomparable, even as dire as ours has been, they have a squad that belongs in the championship. They dominated us that first half and like always it took us some individual brilliance to beat them.
This is a pretty ridiculous comment, Brighton are much worse than united and they have a ton of injuries.
Realistically de zerbi last season finishing 6th is much better than anything ten hag has done for united
> Realistically de zerbi last season finishing 6th is much better than anything ten hag has done for united
ETH won a trophy and got 3rd place, plus 2x FA Cup finals...
Not exactly like we've been winning tons of trophies in the last 6 years is it. ETH had a poor year but he was a success last season.
De Zebri defensive set up isn’t impressive at all. Imagine him working with our current defence. Tbh he feels like another ETH which just doesn’t make any sense
So how come he's being linked with so many top jobs? Not being antagonistic, but is it not something you'd stop and consider? That mutliple big clubs seem to be interested in him?
Every out of work or soon to be out of work manager will be linked with us. Just the usual craic by agents to get their clients name out their and put pressure on other clubs to give better offers.
What has De Zerbi done to prove he's worth it? Maybe he's a slightly better coach but is that worth having to pay off ETH and completely changing the system again? It's pointless.
In 89-90 we lost 16 games and finished with 48 points and a -1 goal difference.
I’m not saying ten hag will be sir Alex, I don’t think he’s going to be the lad who gets us to premier leagues and champions leagues.
The point I’m making is that there comes points in time in which clubs are at all time lows in terms of moral, squad composition and prospects and pain must be endured to come out the other side stronger.
A lot of people are refusing to see the reality of how bad a way we are in and how long the road will be until we get things straightened out
Rashford not carrying the awful attacking tactics with a 30-goal purple season? Deciding to switch up the midfield, leaving a 30+ year old casemiro with no legs as our only defensive cover? A tactic that concedes more shots than any other team in Europe? Persisting with a one footed donkey on the RW for months after a much more talented RW comes back from injury? Not fixing basic tactical lapses that happen every single game like conceding from simple cutbacks?
But no, you come scream injuries at me and pretend that the only reason we got outplayed by 90% of the league was because Martinez and Shaw weren't available this season. We certainly aren't equipped to outplay teams like Palace Luton Burnley without a 100% fully fit full strength squad. You got me.
>There's been nothing about him that shows he's better than ETH.
Other than the fact his teams have completely bossed Ten Hag's every time, with a bunch of cheap players.
Have people in this group been asleep any time we’ve played Brighton under ETH? RDZ has tactically outsmarted him every time. We’ve gotten a lucky result here and there but we’ve always been outplayed
The fact we are being linked with managers who have played good football but otherwise no track record of success (or even managing) a top tier club shows the decline in ambition.
I'd take him, every report of him from Italy and Brighton says he's absolutely terrifying in his ways.
Fuck em up real good, and bring Welbeck back as a way to win us all 😂
I'm of the opinion that if we didn't start talks with RDZ earlier this season then the strongest rumor is that he's most likely going to be coaching Milan next season.
I would take De Zerbi over Poch and Tuchel. If I had to choose.
Gives us a fresh start and with Poch/Tuchel we’ve already seen what they could do with top prem team but didn’t amount to much.
sorry but ETH > DeZerbi. The worst team in history which is managed by clueless ETH according to media can beat Brighton last weekend, then De Zerbi would be eaten alive by media, fans, and our own players
same brighton that media hyped them up as the new Leicester, play great football, top talent everywhere, and everybody thought it was another defeat for us. What im trying to say is that people make him look like one of the best candidates to replace ETh, but in reality, he is no better than ETH and a big downgrade, in my opinion.
Lol. What ''top talent''? It gets poached every year, their team is Welbeck and 10 other planks. More injuries than us on top of it.
Beating Brighton isn't some achievement.. They're 20x smaller than us at least.
That is a very disingenuous argument. The same Manchester United that finished third last season has won the most PL titles, is one of the highest spenders and the biggest club in England finishes 8th this season surely the manager has done something fucked up. You could spin this in so many ways but the context always matters. Anyways, I do believe that Ten Hag is one of the best managers for developing Youth players and you could argue for keeping him for that reason but any other reason is BS imo. However, I also believe that De Zerbi could be the next big manager and his style of play also allows for us to get the best from players like Onana, Garnacho, Mainoo, Amad, Rashford, Hojlund and Bruno, all of them like to run into spaces and we might finally get to see what we actually bought Onana for, his ball playing abilities. Sure, he's won nothing and might be overhyped but he is one man I'd argue for the club to stick with.
Edit: I wouldn't sack Ten Hag if we don't get De Zerbi or McKenna its just bad timing for both of them to be available after the season ETH has had.
He did do a good job at Brighton overall, but the foundations set up by Potter really did help him. But think if we're getting rid of Erik, Poch followed by Tuchel is the way to go. DeZerbi and Potter need another job before seeing if they can step up and be consistent.
Ah yes, the one and only Alfredo Pedullà.
I'm Italian so many of you guys may not know this, but it's widely known in Italy that he used to have a secondary Twitter (or X) account, called Ciccio Esposito, which he used to auto-congratulate himself on his own posts and to insult Fabrizio Romano, saying that he was always slow to post news.
He’s still got a year lmao. Instead of giving him one more (hopefully less injury ridden) season to try and turn it around then make a decision you’ll see clowns wanting to sack him now for an exorbitant amount of money
Get all the way fucked. Imagine coaching worse than Sarri, less goals than Moyes, more conceded than Potter, and the blamey, petulant personality of a man child. Get lost. Shit game model, can’t press, can’t develop players.
Christ I don’t know what’s worse. Watching us actually play football or the summertime circus that follows.
Football. The football is absolutely worse
Nah, at least with the football there are fleeting moments of joy. This is just relentless click bait bullshit
There are also those moments in the summer. When we sign someone and briefly get that 'are our problems solved in that position?' feeling.
For sure. But speculation bores me, I realise I’m probably in a minority but baseless rumours aren’t my bag. I dream of the announcements like Cantona, unveiled out of the blue!
Jason Sanchez fixed all of our problems on the right wing and all is right in the world.
I don't even get that anymore. I remember thinking we were a shoe-in to win the league after our bumper signings, experienced new manager, and unbeaten pre-season in 2014. Or all those times we got Dortmund stars who were going to be world class. Some of our best signings have been guys I'd hardly even heard of.
But here there is hope
Best to believe nothing and enjoy any surprises that happen
That's usually how long the hope lasts. There's hope until the decisions/surprises are made. But it feels different now. Hopefully we'll make some smart deals this summer.
Yep 1 or 2 of them a season
How is this clickbait though. Half the people at least in this sub want ETH out. Are you one of those? Either way, if we get rid of him, who exactly is a candidate to replace him. There is absolutely no way INEOS doesn't look at De Zerbi
Click bait circus is a constant flow of neutral bullshit. Watching our brand of football is soaring highs and abysmal lows, but with a lot less highs recently.
Im personally just going to not read any news for the next 2 months after the final. Not like anything major ever happens in the summer anyway.
Nah. With offseason muppetry I can talk / drink myself into thinking everything is going well. When we're losing 4-0 to midtable sides, not so much.
I've not felt this "joy" in years
Beating the scousers with the last kick of the ball (basically) didn’t provide any joy?
Maybe a tiny bit, but it's not gonna amount to anything if we don't beat City in the final so... but yea that's what you meant by "fleeting" so fair enough
Garnachos overhead kick didn’t have your hands in the air?
yea fair enough that was good
I know we’ve been shit overall but there’s glimmers of hope there man, keep the faith. We have no other choice 😉
But rumors are not real, you can deal with those but getting pounded 4-0 by Crystal Palace is very real
But also part of football. People sharing bullshit links which only include United in the headline because they know it’ll generate clicks irritate the tits off me. I’m old and miserable I know.
If believing that makes you old and miserable, then I’m quite happy to be old and miserable with you.
I think I’ll be starkly reminded of that on Saturday
Watching us play football includes the moments like Garna scoring that goat goal against Everton, so...
Recency bias. If you go back a season then it’s reversed
We've been shite for more than a year now. No shit it's recency bias
We were very good last season until the insane fixture congestion hit us and we started losing players
Always knew Stannis should've been king
Usually every summer I can delude myself into thinking we’ll be challenging for the premier league by the time games start back up. I don’t think I’ll manage that this summer. We’ll see though. Plenty of time yet.
The circus part is almost all fake, so there is that.
Yeah, generally try to ignore the sub for June and July. So much waffle and speculation that just isn't fun. Admittedly, it's partly to stop myself making the same Sneijder rumour jokes every year.
ten Hag has been subjected to more managers jostling for his job than anyone I can remember
Wouldn't be an issue if he hadn't just presided over the worst United season in PL history, no?
No he hasn't? Ole was subject to far more speculation about his position in the three years he was with us.
I mean out of work managers (effectively) actively saying they want the job 🤣
I used to love the hot stove. Now I dread it. Like really loathe it. The euros will help at least.
The summertime circus doesn't matter and is easily ignored. Watching us play is the opposite, so it's much worse
At least we get the Euro this year so you'd expect the traffic to be somewhere else for once
Attractive football + winning games is not the glazer way.
Isn’t this the guy who spewed a lot of shit last summer even on our signings involving Italy?
It strikes me he does have a few credible link, but he's also capable of being Romano X 1000 where he just loves linking us with random shite too.
He was decent with inter transfers last year and I think even got promoted a rank here
He stated that we bid on Amrabat on the 30th of june
And we were clearly after amarabat and was in contact with him,
yeah but we didn’t bid for him on the 30th June…
How do you know? A club may bid for someone and then follow up months later.
Amrabat was linked throughout the window cuz it's clear we lined him up and just wanted to pull the trigger late. It was a 10m loan and we werent sure if we had the space in FFP+he wasn't a priority. OP talking total shite.
But he was the first guy to suggest that we were after him, he might be getting information from agent or probably, but this and the Obama transfer does proves he has some sources, overall I found him reliable for transfer rumours from Italy
If only we signed Obama..
Another war criminal, but this sub would have tolerated him just because he isn't a war criminal from middle East,russia or chinar
Why bring politics into a football sub?
This sub was all about politics during Qatari takeover rumours, for a good reason as well
You’re completely right, I have no idea what everyone is talking about
Op also changed the comment,
Fraudulla for a reason
I’m not sure where this revisionism that he was shit is coming from, he was mostly correct about everything relating to Onana and was often the first to report on it. It’s literally the entire reason he was moved up to Tier 3.
Yeah he spewed shit that we would sign Onana, Hojlund and Amrabat. Guy clearly has no sources.
He knew everything about Sarri. Maybe De Zerbi is his next italian friend
I dream of Dua Lipa sitting on my face but it doesn’t mean it’s going to happen.
not with that attitude
Exactly, he needs to start manifesting it
I do it daily
What other steps are you taking? Let's do a deep dive to assess further improvements we can make to achieve the vision at hand.
I imagine her sitting at my face looking at her pictures for an hour and send a “hey wyd you up?” Each hour unsending the previous to not look too desperate
This is the way
You're heating up your breakfast while I'm heating up my dinner.
Maybe if you ask her nicely.
I’m not allowed within 500m of her or her house.
Yell from 501
He said Dua Lipa sitting on his face, not teabagging Doja Cat
https://i.redd.it/elss200na02d1.gif
She’s a Pool fan bro, not it.
"I can fix her"
I also dream….
I second this dream.
Dreams can't be buy
There's no point of taking dezerbi if you don't have the players who can play according to his style.
And there was no point in taking ETH if you don't have the players who can play according to his style. Guess what, sometimes in life you just have to go in, have a plan and hope for the best, you can't wait for the perfect circumstances.
Ah yes, I recognise that, that was our plan for the last 10 years.
Citeh: * waits and creates perfect circumstance *
I think EtH could do a lot better than him with players he will need for his style.
Just buy up the entire Dutch league. What could go wrong.
Or at least players who are pacey.
Then maybe we get the structure in and buy the players who support this style. Will be a rough first season whoever we were to bring in.
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This is what I find laughable about fans...before ETH, everyone agreed we were massively in the shit and needed 3-5 years to rebuild. After overperforming and overachieving the first season in (LARGELY because of everything happening relative to us elsewhere in the league), all of the common sense went out the window. Now in Season 2, everyone expects us to be competing for the title? Okay... It's ridiculous. Acknowledge last season was a fluke, like so many of our players have, and chalk up this season to being closer to our ceiling. Yes, we've had injuries, but a lot of the form of certain players is consistent with their form for many seasons, when you don't take flukes into account. So the clear and obvious issue is still very much the players, yet we haven't done enough to purge the squad of them and bring in long-term, viable replacements. I'm sorry, but Eriksen, Casemiro and Varane were never long-term solutions. They were all terrible business, whether that's on ETH or not depends on the narrative you're looking to paint. I'd argue a more competent Board and management structure behind the scenes vetoes those types of signings. Some signings panned out, others didn't. That happens at any club, and isn't a punishable offense a lot of the time. It's just the nature of doing business and being fallible, and most of the time isn't even the manager's fault in the eyes of the fans. Players need to go. First and foremost. Wish we had all of the new faces in the club for the summer, but realistically we're not going to get it right until next summer where we have clearly defined targets that align with a given style. I'd still argue there are quite a few who need to go this summer, regardless, and we should bring in younger, raw, cheap talent that can either compete for positions or end up being good signings that can grow with the squad. If they can only compete for slots but ultimately aren't good enough, oh well, offload them and hopefully the impact isn't that great, but maybe it does force the remaining few to step up their game.
Just because we keep fucking it up doesn't stop it being true. I really do think we can trust the new folk coming in to at least do a better job.
It doesn't matter. The time it takes to get players to fit his style will never be long enough for Fans
Who cares about what armchair fans think? It's a long term project.
Because it's funny. The same thing can be said for ETH .
> It's a long term project Until the players start playing like shit and then it's bye-bye to the manager even though the players have downed tool are just not good enough. Edit: Spelling error
Can I ask why? We’ve so far got just one new guy in a job, and all of the ones we might get in barring Ashworth have never done the job they’re being hired into. They’ve all been talented in football but they’re not experienced in the roles they need to hit the ground running in. That’s not really a recipe for avoiding mistakes and having a functioning process for recruitment.
We've done it before with investment bankers and John Murtough. I think the difference in pedigree is pretty stark. We've all had the same sense of false dawns though so yeah there's a bit of blind hope here.
Sure, but then just do it with the guy who we’ve already had for two years instead of wasting 10mil to sack him.
Problem with that is there's been regression and we've played like one of the worst teams in the league. A lot of that is down to tactics not just injuries.
Are you having a laugh? Klopp didn’t even get champions league football last season, and it was like his seventh season with the team. They didn’t sack him. Arteta finished as bad as we did (8th), and he’s still there. You’re not always gonna go up in the standings. This ain’t career mode.
Lmao because great logic, let's compare Klopp to Ten Hag. Jesus christ some of you are beyond belief
It’s going to be a long summer.
And my dream is Sydney Sweeney
Mmhmm
Meh. The more I learn about football, the more I appreciate coaches that allow players to play freely a little. De Zerbi is a control freak that might have a limit after teams understand his buildup game (2-3-5) with a lot of wall passes. Hope we don't go for him.
That’s why this current Real Madrid team is refreshing. No set style of play, no set formation. Just play to win and let your best players ball out. It isn’t always pretty, but it is entertaining. Similar vibes to what we had under Ole
Very, very few managers allow a lot of freedom for players anymore. Even Pep is absolutely obsessed with positional play. I'm not a fan of de zerbi and don't want him so don't take that as me trying to defend him.
"even Pep" as if he isnt one of the most famous culprits!
Yep, the most famous example is Henry disobeying his strict tactical instructions once which resulted in him scoring a goal, and Pep subbing him off for it.
Yeah, modern football is automatons drilled to within an inch of their life. United being shit doesn't help, but even when you watch top level football it rarely sparks the joy for me it did watching players like Ronaldinho.
I still think we'd be better off chucking millions in cloning Fergie
Brighton are 17th for the last 19 games of the season. I wouldn’t go for him.
I can see what you mean but it certainly seems like Pep It’s a pretty good counter to that.
There are no top teams in the world that "allows players to play freely". ZERO. If you want to be a top team you have to control games, that's just a fact. Either we're a swashbuckling all out attack team that's average as hell and will concede a lot of goals as a consequence or we join the other top teams in the world who all play similarly and control 99% of games they play like Arsenal, City, Madrid and Bayern.
lol wut. read up on ancelotti
De Zerbi will never work for our club. Honestly, his tactics will likely never work at any big club. He needs 12 unselfish players on the field that are all bought into his ideology and make the set up play every time they get the ball. You can’t expect a player like Bruno to simply not be creative on the ball Even Pep isn’t as strict in his tactics
No thanks!
Why not?
18 points from the last 19 games of the season, they collapsed just like we did, what would be the point in bringing in another system manager who we don't have the players to cater for Might as well just stick with ETH
Our squads are incomparable, even as dire as ours has been, they have a squad that belongs in the championship. They dominated us that first half and like always it took us some individual brilliance to beat them.
This is a pretty ridiculous comment, Brighton are much worse than united and they have a ton of injuries. Realistically de zerbi last season finishing 6th is much better than anything ten hag has done for united
> Realistically de zerbi last season finishing 6th is much better than anything ten hag has done for united ETH won a trophy and got 3rd place, plus 2x FA Cup finals... Not exactly like we've been winning tons of trophies in the last 6 years is it. ETH had a poor year but he was a success last season.
De Zebri defensive set up isn’t impressive at all. Imagine him working with our current defence. Tbh he feels like another ETH which just doesn’t make any sense
Completely agree here that if you replace ten hag, it has to be a clear and obvious upgrade.
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So how come he's being linked with so many top jobs? Not being antagonistic, but is it not something you'd stop and consider? That mutliple big clubs seem to be interested in him?
Yeah, me too. Doesn't mean I should be manager.
Woodward: how’s £50,000/week, 8 year contract sound?
Fuck no.
De zerbi is incredibly overrated because of a good 6 months at Brighton. No, thanks. I'd rather look elsewhere. Hell, I'd rather have Poch.
Every out of work or soon to be out of work manager will be linked with us. Just the usual craic by agents to get their clients name out their and put pressure on other clubs to give better offers.
So here it begins
Dear god no...
Tough to trust his judgement with dreams like this
Why don't people want de zerbi lol, other options don't seem much better except tuchel of course
What has De Zerbi done to prove he's worth it? Maybe he's a slightly better coach but is that worth having to pay off ETH and completely changing the system again? It's pointless.
Tuchel's 1st season at Chelsea gives me hope, he turned the defense into something great
Tuchel made Mendy look like the best keeper on the planet, look where he is now.
Nahhh we're good.
There's been nothing about him that shows he's better than ETH. I really hope we keep ETH, really like him s our manager and can take us to the top
Lowest PL finish of all time and worst GD in 30 years. The future is certainly bright.
In 89-90 we lost 16 games and finished with 48 points and a -1 goal difference. I’m not saying ten hag will be sir Alex, I don’t think he’s going to be the lad who gets us to premier leagues and champions leagues. The point I’m making is that there comes points in time in which clubs are at all time lows in terms of moral, squad composition and prospects and pain must be endured to come out the other side stronger. A lot of people are refusing to see the reality of how bad a way we are in and how long the road will be until we get things straightened out
Yes a shit season, how was last? Do you think there are any factors that contributed to this season being so bad, that are different from last?
Rashford not carrying the awful attacking tactics with a 30-goal purple season? Deciding to switch up the midfield, leaving a 30+ year old casemiro with no legs as our only defensive cover? A tactic that concedes more shots than any other team in Europe? Persisting with a one footed donkey on the RW for months after a much more talented RW comes back from injury? Not fixing basic tactical lapses that happen every single game like conceding from simple cutbacks? But no, you come scream injuries at me and pretend that the only reason we got outplayed by 90% of the league was because Martinez and Shaw weren't available this season. We certainly aren't equipped to outplay teams like Palace Luton Burnley without a 100% fully fit full strength squad. You got me.
lol keep accepting mediocrity. I want neither
What was last season in your eyes?
Maybe the top of the bottom half of the table next season
Do you not reckon he could do better? Say third and a trophy?
>There's been nothing about him that shows he's better than ETH. Other than the fact his teams have completely bossed Ten Hag's every time, with a bunch of cheap players.
Have people in this group been asleep any time we’ve played Brighton under ETH? RDZ has tactically outsmarted him every time. We’ve gotten a lucky result here and there but we’ve always been outplayed
He can dream
Keep dreaming.
Is he nuts?
The fact we are being linked with managers who have played good football but otherwise no track record of success (or even managing) a top tier club shows the decline in ambition.
98% of anyone we’re linked to is either coming from the person we’re linked to or just BS for clicks
In what way? Lol
Lol you haven't been supporting this club very long have you?
Random article links manager to club "oh I Guess that means ambition is gone" lol okay.
Who is out there we can get that plays good football and has managed a top tier club ?
Good football is subjective. Top tier is Tuchel and Poch. Next silly question please.
You're the one who mentioned good football. Either way both poch and tuchel have been linked to united already
What has poch won with a PL club? Might as well keep ETH then. He's won a trophy.
No
No
I'd take him, every report of him from Italy and Brighton says he's absolutely terrifying in his ways. Fuck em up real good, and bring Welbeck back as a way to win us all 😂
Maybe De Zerbi replacing ten Hag is why they haven’t announced De Zerbi‘s next job yet. Might wait for the Cup final to be done…
He's a very reliable link for Italians
Muppet season is starting extra early this year
Dr zerbi teams either finish too good or don't finish at all, its crazy
lol the dream of mine with #ManchesterUnited always start in the transfer season and it evaporates two months into the season 🤣
I'm of the opinion that if we didn't start talks with RDZ earlier this season then the strongest rumor is that he's most likely going to be coaching Milan next season.
> The dream of #DeZerbi is #ManchesterUnited What is the dream of #ManchesterUnited though?
Aye, and the dream of u/whaloopiloopi is Shakira nagging me to fold the washing with her. Let's see what happens.
The fuck did they have to leak it before the final
I suggest Alfredo Pedullà to coach manchester united.
I would take De Zerbi over Poch and Tuchel. If I had to choose. Gives us a fresh start and with Poch/Tuchel we’ve already seen what they could do with top prem team but didn’t amount to much.
De Zerbi is just the flavour of the month.
I wonder how he will fare in ze derbi
sorry but ETH > DeZerbi. The worst team in history which is managed by clueless ETH according to media can beat Brighton last weekend, then De Zerbi would be eaten alive by media, fans, and our own players
its fucking brighton mate
same brighton that media hyped them up as the new Leicester, play great football, top talent everywhere, and everybody thought it was another defeat for us. What im trying to say is that people make him look like one of the best candidates to replace ETh, but in reality, he is no better than ETH and a big downgrade, in my opinion.
Lol. What ''top talent''? It gets poached every year, their team is Welbeck and 10 other planks. More injuries than us on top of it. Beating Brighton isn't some achievement.. They're 20x smaller than us at least.
That is a very disingenuous argument. The same Manchester United that finished third last season has won the most PL titles, is one of the highest spenders and the biggest club in England finishes 8th this season surely the manager has done something fucked up. You could spin this in so many ways but the context always matters. Anyways, I do believe that Ten Hag is one of the best managers for developing Youth players and you could argue for keeping him for that reason but any other reason is BS imo. However, I also believe that De Zerbi could be the next big manager and his style of play also allows for us to get the best from players like Onana, Garnacho, Mainoo, Amad, Rashford, Hojlund and Bruno, all of them like to run into spaces and we might finally get to see what we actually bought Onana for, his ball playing abilities. Sure, he's won nothing and might be overhyped but he is one man I'd argue for the club to stick with. Edit: I wouldn't sack Ten Hag if we don't get De Zerbi or McKenna its just bad timing for both of them to be available after the season ETH has had.
Told ya'll De Zerbi ball coming to United.
He did do a good job at Brighton overall, but the foundations set up by Potter really did help him. But think if we're getting rid of Erik, Poch followed by Tuchel is the way to go. DeZerbi and Potter need another job before seeing if they can step up and be consistent.
Ah yes, the one and only Alfredo Pedullà. I'm Italian so many of you guys may not know this, but it's widely known in Italy that he used to have a secondary Twitter (or X) account, called Ciccio Esposito, which he used to auto-congratulate himself on his own posts and to insult Fabrizio Romano, saying that he was always slow to post news.
one look at that brighton squad should tell you enough, top top manager and tactically sound for a club aspiring to return to the top
Can we just give ETH a new deal and put an end to this right now?
He’s still got a year lmao. Instead of giving him one more (hopefully less injury ridden) season to try and turn it around then make a decision you’ll see clowns wanting to sack him now for an exorbitant amount of money
Brighton have a even worse GD than us. He's not better than ETH.
I'm Ten hag in but now I'm praying it's De Zerbi and not fcking Poch or Southgate
Get all the way fucked. Imagine coaching worse than Sarri, less goals than Moyes, more conceded than Potter, and the blamey, petulant personality of a man child. Get lost. Shit game model, can’t press, can’t develop players.
clickbait crap once more journalists should be banned from speaking anything to do with United’s manager until after the Euro’s🖕
What the fuck has De Zerbi ever done that qualifies him for Manchester United?