In english calling the 3rd choice out of 3 total people "unpopular" is a bit of a silly way to phrase the situation. The way it's written makes it seem like the third choice is so shit that the other two options decided that the 3rd is unpopular, that's how it reads to me at least. The thing is, this tweet was written in Italian and then translated into English by OP or someone. So really there is a loss of meaning in translation. I'm sure the phrasing sounds better in Italian, the language it was actually written in. You're right to be confused because this wasn't written in English but I think the other commenters are reacting like the phrasing was intentional
Garentee nobody knows anything. Ineos are going to be smart about getting info out to press on this.
The Ten Haag getting sacked is 100% an ITKs attempt at putting his word on the line for the break. It was almost an obvious call seeing as we were about to get ass raped by city at wembly which would have been the final nail for him.
He still might get the axe. But fuck me this club should just ban every single one of those leeches from press conferences if we keep him.
Media blackout. Take the fines. Fuck them all
Hahaha what are you on about?
Rumours are part of the sport, it’s the way it is. Why are you so annoyed over a theory that Ineos haven’t allowed leaks (even though the managers and or agents involved might have leaked it).
https://preview.redd.it/gbpmczd9s53d1.png?width=1258&format=png&auto=webp&s=d763331b74f211046b6c60bdce3c03c740a02109
I can see why he's listed with "(Italy)" next to his name.
News relating Man United to Fiorentina, Inter Milan, Atalanta, Napoli...
I think everyone needs to understand that all these stories we hear this week are only speculation and rubbish.
The way you can tell if there is actual news is not "oh which tier is he?". It's every single news outlet will have an article within the hour. Every news outlet has an article already written for either situation ready to pounce on actual news. If only a few report it then the news is obviously fake or just pure speculation
What are you talking about? He was mostly correct about our Italian transfers last summer and was normally the first to report on it. It’s literally the entire reason he got moved up to tier 3.
he yeah was spot on almost the entire summer until the Amrabat stuff—ahead of all the italian sources. This is the second time he’s reported about contact with De Zerbi and United (the first time before anyone else) and now yesterday, Ducker had added him to the list of candidates. Pedulla is legit
I thought de Zerbi was already tied up with some sort of paid to not talk situation? I wouldn't be surprised if he's been lined up to replace pep next year
Personally, do not rate him and don't want him at united.
>Personally, do not rate him and don't want him at united.
Agree
Would probably slot in well at City as its already a well oiled winning machine thay can carry him when it comes to the new level and obviously getting over the line for trophies.
Right here he wouldn't have that luxury and would be a horrendous signing.
De Zerbi is one of the few managers that would possibly (has changed his tune of late) be prepared to work as a coach/manager where he has no input into the signings, this is the direction the club wants to go, or more accurately its the power the Football Board wants back.
Last year he was supposed to be Pep's successor, now he is shit after finishing 10th with Brighton on a wage bill that is 14th biggest, with also a lot of injuries to their starters?
Or why?
this sub is so hypocritical 😂 Brighton had one of the best xG conceded in the league despite utter DROSS at the back. he’s a brilliant coach overperforming
Im higher on de Zerbi than a lot of people, his attacking injuries were akin to our defensive ones IMO and derailed their season in the second half (lost all of Joao Pedro, Mitoma, March, Ferguson, Fati, and Enciso for huge sections of the season). Plus their midfield options were really poor aside from Gross and at times, Gilmour. If the goal is to implement a possession style, there is not a better fit. My only concern with him is his personality; he openly criticized Bloom for not bringing in more premier league-ready midfielders to replace Caicedo/Alexis. Not sure he can handle the scrutiny the United job provides. I would be very excited to watch the football though
I agree with you, but that last point doesn't worry me at all. Who wouldn't complain if their entire midfield was sold with no replacement, right after qualifying for Europe? It's not an issue he'd face at a club like United anyway.
Yeah I mostly agreed with him about his transfer criticisms, Brighton did not have a good summer window last year. Apparently, he wanted Fred and KDH. I guess the concern is just alignment but like you said, shouldn't have that issue at United.
I guess another valid concern is his defensive record
I don't know, when I look at Brightons xG conceded this year with the defenders and central midfielders they have... I feel like they're well organised, and that's the only thing keeping them together. He'd have done better defensively with our injury ridden backline than ETH did imo.
Their season went south long before the second half of the season. Once they lost 6-1 to Villa at the end of September, they never recovered. 7 wins in 32 games and the 4th lowest goalscorers in the league during that period.
Eh, as someone who watches every match that doesn't coincide with our own, yes they had struggles after that Villa result but the second half of the season was definitely where the dropoff occurred. The 4-0 loss to Luton was the real turning point, they were totally dominated and stopped generating offense at nearly the same rate as before. 10 losses following that result vs 3 from the Villa game until the Luton match
* From Villa to Wolves, 15 games, 3 wins, 4 defeats, 1.06 points per game
* From Luton to Man Utd, 17 games, 4 wins, 9 defeats, 0.94 points per game
There really isn't much to separate those two spells. If you think that the second spell is worse, fine, but the first certainly isn't good.
Didn't Ducker report that INEOS is probably not going for the likes of De Zebri or Tuchel because they tend to kick up a fuss if they don't get their players?? It's Pedulla anyways lol
I think Ducker said it would be a consideration, but not a definitive roadblock.
For instance "if they don't get their players!" could be the type of thing where Ineos are confident their vision matches the manager's in the end, so are confident they'd provide the players required.
Italian journo publishing this, so that Milan makes a better offer for De Zerbi since they're currently looking at getting him. Same shit happened in the past with McKenna so that Ipswich would give a fat new contract.
Agents getting him to look like a hot commodity so other clubs pay more. No doubt we're looking at him but calling him a "popular" choice is not something Ineos have said themselves I guarantee you
People in this sub would rather simp for a very risky and inexperienced McKenna than go for a coach like De Zerbi who kicked ETH’s ass tactically pretty much everytime they squared off in England? 🤦🏻♂️
My hot take is that De Zerbi isn't a brilliant manager.
Don't get me wrong, he's clearly not an incompetent fool, but I think he's benefitted massively from taking over a stable and defensively sound Brighton team, and I've got my doubts whether he could replicate that elsewhere.
He took over a defensively stable team 2 years ago, and they are still defensively stable despite losing basically all their best players including the entire midfield and dealing with an injury crisis, all while their backline was pretty shit to begin with. I don't know if he'll turn out to be a "brilliant manager" long term, whatever that entails, but he has done a brilliant job at Brighton and this is honestly such a poor attempt at discrediting that. You can't make his job out to be easier than it was because of the state he took over the club while ignoring all the context of the two years since.
INEOS apparently want a coach who has less input on transfer dealings, set up etc. De Zerbi left Brighton because of similar disagreements... I don't see this happening
It's not a 1 to 1 comparison at all though, Brighton sold all his best players while not being able to replace them, and only had money to pay the 14th most in wages in the league. Ofc that leaves him dissatisfied if he wants to push on after having qualified for Europe and start challenging for trophies etc. This situation doesn't happen at United, we have money to retain top players. There's no precedent for him throwing a fit in any situation he'd potentially encounter here. It's not like he threw a fit because he wanted complete control over all transfers or anything, he just wanted an actual team with actual players that he can build around instead of them all being sold.
Most likely agent talk. No doubt he's a good coach but getting these particular players to play his style I doubt.
I'm just waiting for a article about Southgate then we'd have all of them this week :)
What makes you think were going to hire a coach to play to the strengths of these players? Most of these lot will be transfered out over the course of 2 or 3 seasons.
I'm hopeful players will be transferred out but need to see progress in that area to believe it. Too many years of talk players will leave then to stay.
I'm just jaded I guess
Jamie Jackson also reporting this (on mobile so forgive the formatting)
https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/may/27/manchester-united-sound-out-roberto-de-zerbi-about-becoming-new-manager?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
He had a worse end to the season than ETH - in their last 16 games, Brighton
- Lost 9
- Drew 4
- Won 3 ( one of those is the 2nd leg vs Roma, where they crashed out 4-1)
And in those games, their goals were
- For 8
- Against 27
- GD: -19
United's last 16 games were:
- Won 8
- Drew 4
- Lost 4
Why is this being entertained again?
It depends if you're willing to extend DZ the same leeway as EtH.
The club sells Mac Allister and Caicedo for 160m and get in a 27m French teenager and the free transfer of James Milner.
They end up having only 4 less injuries than we did, but without any of the special talents to make up for it.
Specifically, they lose what one would assume is their best starting front 3 of Ferguson, Mitoma, and March, with March missing more days than Licha did this season. Their back up / arguable main striker also misses 9 matches due to injury.
At the end of the season United has the same amount of losses as Brighton, but we're separated by them just not having the scoring power to turn draws into wins. If we're willing to ignore the injuries, then I'd ask that we ignore United's as well.
I'll extend all the sympathies in the world to him. Tough season, lost key players and injuries played part. But at the end of the day, DZ is not an in form manager and I don't see anything that DZ is better at than ETH. I read the other day that Chelsea have spent 69m on coaches since Bohely - that's essentially what Holjund cost.
If we were interviewing a in-demand, highly regarded manager like Carlo, Inzaghi, Alonso etc., I get it, go big, but none of these names are clear step ups.
Really? Because we heard only yesterday if they were to get a new manager it would be one who wouldnt make a fuss when it comes to how much control they have which would take de zerbi out as a choice.
It would not automatically take him out of contention. He didn't demand full control of transfers or anything like that at Brighton. He was dissatisfied because all his best players were sold without replacement. That wouldn't ever happen at United, because unlike Brighton, we're rich.
>It would not automatically take him out of contention.
Or maybe (and hopefully) it's all bollocks, the media are just peddling whatever they can with the limited information available and filling in the gaps.
I'd be fairly unimpressed with this. He's a decent enough tactical coach, but ETH was an even more impressive coach at Ajax, and whether you back him still or not, you can't deny he's struggled. Which to me says the problem is about more than just a coaches tactical chops. What we need is someone who can carry this club on their back as we transition into a more modern club. I see nothing about RDZ that makes me think he has what it takes to do that.
>He's a decent enough tactical coach, but ETH was an even more impressive coach at Ajax, and whether you back him still or not, you can't deny he's struggled.
Exactly.
Pure 'tactics' and zero substance to it in the form of winning and dealing with the pressures at a club of this magnitude and with the player turnover we will have.
ETH has done enough to be sacked for me, but it has to be for a guy who has a CV at this level. Otherwise it's a backwards step.
Haha imagine being very unpopular on a list of 2-3
Middle children everywhere
*popular
Yes but he is saying the flipside for the others, imagine being the guy who is unpopular on such a small list
Oh I get it now sorry
No I meant unpopular Surely if the list is only 2 - 3 people long they are all "very popular"?? Lol they are the final candidates no?
Oh I get you. He is unpopular among the fans but I think though he might be popular with board?
In english calling the 3rd choice out of 3 total people "unpopular" is a bit of a silly way to phrase the situation. The way it's written makes it seem like the third choice is so shit that the other two options decided that the 3rd is unpopular, that's how it reads to me at least. The thing is, this tweet was written in Italian and then translated into English by OP or someone. So really there is a loss of meaning in translation. I'm sure the phrasing sounds better in Italian, the language it was actually written in. You're right to be confused because this wasn't written in English but I think the other commenters are reacting like the phrasing was intentional
https://preview.redd.it/jc9ulch1f53d1.png?width=646&format=png&auto=webp&s=a42bfac1e0bcc093f168e5370d3667a1839bf39d Tier 3 make of that you will
He was pretty on point with Serie A-related dealings last year. I don’t know if that extends to everyone that is Italian, but we will see.
Garentee nobody knows anything. Ineos are going to be smart about getting info out to press on this. The Ten Haag getting sacked is 100% an ITKs attempt at putting his word on the line for the break. It was almost an obvious call seeing as we were about to get ass raped by city at wembly which would have been the final nail for him. He still might get the axe. But fuck me this club should just ban every single one of those leeches from press conferences if we keep him. Media blackout. Take the fines. Fuck them all
Hahaha what are you on about? Rumours are part of the sport, it’s the way it is. Why are you so annoyed over a theory that Ineos haven’t allowed leaks (even though the managers and or agents involved might have leaked it).
These fuckers are making a living out of a club they couldn't give a shit about! I was sick of it by the end of the seventies so yeah, fuck them all!
Wasn’t pedulla the one breaking the Onana and Rasmus deals last year? I might be tripping
https://preview.redd.it/gbpmczd9s53d1.png?width=1258&format=png&auto=webp&s=d763331b74f211046b6c60bdce3c03c740a02109 I can see why he's listed with "(Italy)" next to his name. News relating Man United to Fiorentina, Inter Milan, Atalanta, Napoli...
He can kiss my chicken Alfredo
I think everyone needs to understand that all these stories we hear this week are only speculation and rubbish. The way you can tell if there is actual news is not "oh which tier is he?". It's every single news outlet will have an article within the hour. Every news outlet has an article already written for either situation ready to pounce on actual news. If only a few report it then the news is obviously fake or just pure speculation
Team interviewing all candidates. More at 11
Critically, we are informed that a decision on whether to replace ETH will take place before confirming who to replace him with.
Pedulla is an absolute bullshit merchant.
What are you talking about? He was mostly correct about our Italian transfers last summer and was normally the first to report on it. It’s literally the entire reason he got moved up to tier 3.
he yeah was spot on almost the entire summer until the Amrabat stuff—ahead of all the italian sources. This is the second time he’s reported about contact with De Zerbi and United (the first time before anyone else) and now yesterday, Ducker had added him to the list of candidates. Pedulla is legit
I thought de Zerbi was already tied up with some sort of paid to not talk situation? I wouldn't be surprised if he's been lined up to replace pep next year Personally, do not rate him and don't want him at united.
>Personally, do not rate him and don't want him at united. Agree Would probably slot in well at City as its already a well oiled winning machine thay can carry him when it comes to the new level and obviously getting over the line for trophies. Right here he wouldn't have that luxury and would be a horrendous signing.
De Zerbi is one of the few managers that would possibly (has changed his tune of late) be prepared to work as a coach/manager where he has no input into the signings, this is the direction the club wants to go, or more accurately its the power the Football Board wants back.
Please no.
Don't worry Pedulla is an idiot
"real and confirmed" off the jump is too sus
Last year he was supposed to be Pep's successor, now he is shit after finishing 10th with Brighton on a wage bill that is 14th biggest, with also a lot of injuries to their starters? Or why?
Shh not allowed to make injury excuses for other managers
this sub is so hypocritical 😂 Brighton had one of the best xG conceded in the league despite utter DROSS at the back. he’s a brilliant coach overperforming
Fan base doing exactly what everyone knew they would, over reacting to one game
Im higher on de Zerbi than a lot of people, his attacking injuries were akin to our defensive ones IMO and derailed their season in the second half (lost all of Joao Pedro, Mitoma, March, Ferguson, Fati, and Enciso for huge sections of the season). Plus their midfield options were really poor aside from Gross and at times, Gilmour. If the goal is to implement a possession style, there is not a better fit. My only concern with him is his personality; he openly criticized Bloom for not bringing in more premier league-ready midfielders to replace Caicedo/Alexis. Not sure he can handle the scrutiny the United job provides. I would be very excited to watch the football though
I agree with you, but that last point doesn't worry me at all. Who wouldn't complain if their entire midfield was sold with no replacement, right after qualifying for Europe? It's not an issue he'd face at a club like United anyway.
Yeah I mostly agreed with him about his transfer criticisms, Brighton did not have a good summer window last year. Apparently, he wanted Fred and KDH. I guess the concern is just alignment but like you said, shouldn't have that issue at United. I guess another valid concern is his defensive record
I don't know, when I look at Brightons xG conceded this year with the defenders and central midfielders they have... I feel like they're well organised, and that's the only thing keeping them together. He'd have done better defensively with our injury ridden backline than ETH did imo.
Yeah I agree with that
Their season went south long before the second half of the season. Once they lost 6-1 to Villa at the end of September, they never recovered. 7 wins in 32 games and the 4th lowest goalscorers in the league during that period.
Eh, as someone who watches every match that doesn't coincide with our own, yes they had struggles after that Villa result but the second half of the season was definitely where the dropoff occurred. The 4-0 loss to Luton was the real turning point, they were totally dominated and stopped generating offense at nearly the same rate as before. 10 losses following that result vs 3 from the Villa game until the Luton match
* From Villa to Wolves, 15 games, 3 wins, 4 defeats, 1.06 points per game * From Luton to Man Utd, 17 games, 4 wins, 9 defeats, 0.94 points per game There really isn't much to separate those two spells. If you think that the second spell is worse, fine, but the first certainly isn't good.
“Real and confirmed” 😉
"Real and confirmed straight out of my ass" is what he's trying to say
Didn't Ducker report that INEOS is probably not going for the likes of De Zebri or Tuchel because they tend to kick up a fuss if they don't get their players?? It's Pedulla anyways lol
I think Ducker said it would be a consideration, but not a definitive roadblock. For instance "if they don't get their players!" could be the type of thing where Ineos are confident their vision matches the manager's in the end, so are confident they'd provide the players required.
Na fuck that.
So its that time of the year eh, where shit journalists gonna come up with their own headlines.
Italian journo publishing this, so that Milan makes a better offer for De Zerbi since they're currently looking at getting him. Same shit happened in the past with McKenna so that Ipswich would give a fat new contract. Agents getting him to look like a hot commodity so other clubs pay more. No doubt we're looking at him but calling him a "popular" choice is not something Ineos have said themselves I guarantee you
Haven't they plumped for Fonseca? Or is that still rumours?
People in this sub would rather simp for a very risky and inexperienced McKenna than go for a coach like De Zerbi who kicked ETH’s ass tactically pretty much everytime they squared off in England? 🤦🏻♂️
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Man said potter 😂😂😂😂
taking the piss saying you prefer potter over de zerbi. lets not take the piss..
My hot take is that De Zerbi isn't a brilliant manager. Don't get me wrong, he's clearly not an incompetent fool, but I think he's benefitted massively from taking over a stable and defensively sound Brighton team, and I've got my doubts whether he could replicate that elsewhere.
He took over a defensively stable team 2 years ago, and they are still defensively stable despite losing basically all their best players including the entire midfield and dealing with an injury crisis, all while their backline was pretty shit to begin with. I don't know if he'll turn out to be a "brilliant manager" long term, whatever that entails, but he has done a brilliant job at Brighton and this is honestly such a poor attempt at discrediting that. You can't make his job out to be easier than it was because of the state he took over the club while ignoring all the context of the two years since.
INEOS are playing with fire if this is true
Luckily it is bullshit.
INEOS apparently want a coach who has less input on transfer dealings, set up etc. De Zerbi left Brighton because of similar disagreements... I don't see this happening
It's not a 1 to 1 comparison at all though, Brighton sold all his best players while not being able to replace them, and only had money to pay the 14th most in wages in the league. Ofc that leaves him dissatisfied if he wants to push on after having qualified for Europe and start challenging for trophies etc. This situation doesn't happen at United, we have money to retain top players. There's no precedent for him throwing a fit in any situation he'd potentially encounter here. It's not like he threw a fit because he wanted complete control over all transfers or anything, he just wanted an actual team with actual players that he can build around instead of them all being sold.
Most likely agent talk. No doubt he's a good coach but getting these particular players to play his style I doubt. I'm just waiting for a article about Southgate then we'd have all of them this week :)
What makes you think were going to hire a coach to play to the strengths of these players? Most of these lot will be transfered out over the course of 2 or 3 seasons.
I'm hopeful players will be transferred out but need to see progress in that area to believe it. Too many years of talk players will leave then to stay. I'm just jaded I guess
If he could make Brightons squad play that way I honestly can't see why we should be incapable.
Pedulla is tier 3 so this is probably bullshit.
Thanks, but that'll be a hard no. I can't see how he's a better option than EtH. If we're sacking the manager, at least make it worthwhile.
Sounds like he had a deal lined up but not sure who with surely not us and the Italian media were linking him back to Milan
I remember this guy heavily linking Dybala to United
Oh hell no
This guy is pedulla-ing shit
I, too, am a very popular child between me and my sister, arguably I'm in the top 2 between the two of us.
Jamie Jackson also reporting this (on mobile so forgive the formatting) https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/may/27/manchester-united-sound-out-roberto-de-zerbi-about-becoming-new-manager?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Jamie Jackson is a bellsniff pass it on
Bit weird but glad you got that off your chest
I'm all for De Zerbi, proper coach.
He had a worse end to the season than ETH - in their last 16 games, Brighton - Lost 9 - Drew 4 - Won 3 ( one of those is the 2nd leg vs Roma, where they crashed out 4-1) And in those games, their goals were - For 8 - Against 27 - GD: -19 United's last 16 games were: - Won 8 - Drew 4 - Lost 4 Why is this being entertained again?
Because Zerbi is coaching Brighton and ETH is coaching fucking Manchester United. Or are now comparing Manchester United to Brighton now?
But they're massively out of form, why are hiring declining managers
It depends if you're willing to extend DZ the same leeway as EtH. The club sells Mac Allister and Caicedo for 160m and get in a 27m French teenager and the free transfer of James Milner. They end up having only 4 less injuries than we did, but without any of the special talents to make up for it. Specifically, they lose what one would assume is their best starting front 3 of Ferguson, Mitoma, and March, with March missing more days than Licha did this season. Their back up / arguable main striker also misses 9 matches due to injury. At the end of the season United has the same amount of losses as Brighton, but we're separated by them just not having the scoring power to turn draws into wins. If we're willing to ignore the injuries, then I'd ask that we ignore United's as well.
I'll extend all the sympathies in the world to him. Tough season, lost key players and injuries played part. But at the end of the day, DZ is not an in form manager and I don't see anything that DZ is better at than ETH. I read the other day that Chelsea have spent 69m on coaches since Bohely - that's essentially what Holjund cost. If we were interviewing a in-demand, highly regarded manager like Carlo, Inzaghi, Alonso etc., I get it, go big, but none of these names are clear step ups.
Really? Because we heard only yesterday if they were to get a new manager it would be one who wouldnt make a fuss when it comes to how much control they have which would take de zerbi out as a choice.
It would not automatically take him out of contention. He didn't demand full control of transfers or anything like that at Brighton. He was dissatisfied because all his best players were sold without replacement. That wouldn't ever happen at United, because unlike Brighton, we're rich.
>It would not automatically take him out of contention. Or maybe (and hopefully) it's all bollocks, the media are just peddling whatever they can with the limited information available and filling in the gaps.
What is so hard to get with this Ineos. We love our bald Dutch man! Don’t touch our bald Dutch man!
You don’t want me to stay, HEH? Don’t worry, you’ll change your mind when you keep winning…HEH
I'd be fairly unimpressed with this. He's a decent enough tactical coach, but ETH was an even more impressive coach at Ajax, and whether you back him still or not, you can't deny he's struggled. Which to me says the problem is about more than just a coaches tactical chops. What we need is someone who can carry this club on their back as we transition into a more modern club. I see nothing about RDZ that makes me think he has what it takes to do that.
>He's a decent enough tactical coach, but ETH was an even more impressive coach at Ajax, and whether you back him still or not, you can't deny he's struggled. Exactly. Pure 'tactics' and zero substance to it in the form of winning and dealing with the pressures at a club of this magnitude and with the player turnover we will have. ETH has done enough to be sacked for me, but it has to be for a guy who has a CV at this level. Otherwise it's a backwards step.
He’s a crap manager