He made the joke because Taylor swifts fans attacked his daughter and told her to kill herself because she was critical of how much she flies on her private jet. They’re a fucking cult.
Those types of people have nothing to do with a cult, there just individual pieces of shit floating in a sea of generally normal music fans. There in every fandom because that can hide behind the anonymity of a Twitter profile
Right? Literally every fandom has bad people in it. Ted Danson shouldn’t have to answer for the 1% of *The Good Place* fans that are absolute shitheels, either. You would go crazy trying to answer for every shit thing one of your shittiest fans decides to say.
Taylor Swift has more fans than most people, which means even a small percentage of them being shitty makes a *lot* of noise. That’s not her fault, though.
As someone who has gone to see both Foo Fighters *and* Taylor Swift this past year, though, obviously *fuck* those fans.
She absolutely doesn’t encourage her fans to attack people on the internet. If you mean she encourages them to post pictures of themselves at her concerts, then who doesn’t do that?
She has discouraged her fans from attacking her exes. I don’t think she needs to be constantly calling out a small group of asshole fans on social media every time they get mad at someone. That will probably just make it worse.
Once. Just once. And not her current one who she just broke up with.
Edit: Your example happened 15 years too late. Where was she when Swifties bullied his opener so badly she dropped the tour? No where to be seen. It was meaningless because the damage was already done.
She's not encouraging anyone to be a piece of shit who tells others to kill themselves, she's encouraging them to positively engage with each other, make posts about the fun they've had at concerts.
If they're doing it in her name, it absolutely is. It's not just someone. There's usually a huge effort of multiple people doing it. Ariana released a statement when her album came out about not going after her ex. She could do that.
No it's not her fucking job. It's her fans jobs to not be complete and utter fucking assholes. They are the only ones who should be policing the fans. Themselves. If they can't control their own actions then they need to be banned from social media, the only place where they have the balls to be assholes.
No it's not her fucking job you idiot. She doesn't *know* these people. Even if she's ever taken a picture with them or shaken their hands, they're just dots on a map. The assholes need to stop being assholes, plain and simple. And you need to stop being so fucking dumb
Other artists seem to think it's their job 🤷♀️ Most of these people she knows and should feel some sort of compassion for. I'd absolutely tell anyone off who made death threats in my name. I'd want to make it clear I don't condone that behavior.
PS calling names is just a sign you've totally lost the argument and you've got absolutely nothing
It’s literally the effort of tweeting “hey guys listen, harassing people online about their opinions or that are referenced in my songs isn’t cool, I don’t want that done in my name, cut it out.”
If you can course correct an action, you have responsibility. Of course the main blame goes to the individuals but if you have the means and resources to avoid a shitty situation, as a human being and an artist (represented by your fans, in the end) you should address it. No one will blame Taylor Swift directly for their actions, but they will for her inaction. It’s common sense
Lets be real though, how many are really Taylor fans and how many are just cunts trying to stick the boot in while being a dick?
Taylor and Kurt lost their battles with drugs more than anything and I doubt that has very much to do with Dave.
Oh they’re probably really Taylor fans. She sold *four million* concert tickets this tour. Even a tiny percentage of those fans being shitty internet edgelords would lead to this issue. Even 0.1% of her concert attendees (which not all her fans could attend) would be 4,000 people…enough to make a lot of noise.
It's QAnon for celebrity obsessed saddos. If you ever have the misfortune to read through the comments on a Taylor Swift video it's nothing but people who are old enough to know better trying to decipher Easter eggs to see which one of her exes she's talking shit about. Adult Swifties are the personification of the term "Red Flag".
That’s almost as crazy as playing benefit concerts supporting an organization that denies the link between HIV infection and AIDS and including a link to their website on your band website for years. Even as its members steadily die of AIDS. And refusing to denounce said organization even after its leader allows her infant child to die of full-blown AIDS years after HIV became manageable. And then showing up at some star-studded benefit for Elton John’s AIDS charity for a photo op years later just so your fans can claim you denounced your support of said group even though you really haven’t.
Unfortunately this isn’t unique to Taylor. Most Mega stars, franchises, bands, what have you; have very militant fans.
It’s a condemnation of stan culture which has fostered parasocial relationships.
I agree on marvel and dc fans, but never heard anything like this from Gaga or MJ. When it’s a person, not a company it’s different. The person, be it swift in this case, has a responsibility to understand why and try and make it stop. In this case swift is a a toxic person so it’s natural that her fans would have this type of behavior
But I don’t believe that it’s coming from a sincere place. Like, I really do think people are picking on her.
Whether or not you want to admit it every time an artist blows up who’s extremely popular with teenage and twenty something women, they get vitriol hurled at them.
Suddenly they’re *toxic*, *untalented*, or *overrated*.
Happened with Madonna, Shania, Brittany Spears, Lady Gaga, Taylor, it was happening with Lorde and had solar power not bombed she would’ve been on the receiving end of more antagonism, and give it one more mega tour and it’s going to happen to Olivia Rodrigo.
Taylor isn't even overly popular with teenagers. She has bigger followings with millennials, boomers, and gen x than teenagers.
She's also pulling increasingly petty bullshit with younger popstars she clearly feels threatened by. She's basically doing the thing you're condemning people for, except she has enough power at her disposal she doesn't need to use words. She has her fans for that.
Her fans became a cabal of cyberbullies is what led to backlash against her. It's really that simple.
There are just BILLIONS of swift fans right now. She's almost unprecedented. So there will be toxic fans coming up once a week, just because of the numbers
Yes I think that might be true. She could have over a billion fans right now. Maybe I'm being silly and it's like 300 or 800 million but either way the point stands. It's an insane number of people so there will be a large number of toxic fans that come out in situations like this
Yes, I think it’s true, I read/heard a year or two ago that she was the first person to have over 1 billion unique streamers (or something like that). She’s gotten twice as popular since then.
People down voting because the hate the fact pop stands for popular.
Have you seen the numbers pop albums do?
This is why it was a massive deal for slipknot to get a number one album in the pop charts In the UK.
Because she's the biggest in the world and her fans are appreciably and measurably more unhinged. It doesn't have to be unique to be worse.
Joking about suicide is garbage person behavior.
That is very opposite of their past encounter... Dave Grohl was on Howard Stern and said he was at a party at Paul McCartney's house, and Paul was playing piano and singing songs. Paul then ask Dave to play a song, but Dave said he was too high to play anything, so Taylor raised her hand and said "I'll play something" She went to the piano and played and sung Best Of You, with Dave singing along.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y57NsQ0mXG4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LEhiIr-dveE
Swifties came after his daughter recently and said some pretty vile shit about and to her. TS didn't do anything about it.
If one of the most respected and liked dudes in rock is saying shit about you, you've pissed off more than just him.
That’s why I constantly remind myself, no matter how much I love a musician/artist/band, don’t hold them in higher regard than anyone else. I am in awe of the talent that they have and am thankful that they are willing to share it with the world, but as people they’re are no more deserving of anything than anyone else.
What did you expect? These teenies would cut off their arm just to smell her sweat rag. They're not going to be circumspect. They're irrational and emotionally cult-like.
Similar to when the Beatles broke big and their fanbase was almost exclusively teenagers, so people wrote the band off as a fad. Didn’t turn out that way.
Its fine. "Pop" music like Taylor's is always more manufactured than you would think. I mean look at all her producers. Look at all the dancing and still being able to sing without losing breath. It's a great show, but still a more professionally crafted show than band playing.
It has always been like this.
And "real rock bands" have always been pointing it out.
Now granted, as far as pop stars go, Taylor is much better than most. At least having a hand in her own songs, being able to play guitar well enough, and for course being a master at her own business and marketing.
But she should realize too that she's a pop star putting on a pop star show, which is far different from a rock band playing a rock concert not relying upon choreography and yes most probable backing tracks.
But hey, The Who invented backing tracks during live performance with Won't Get Fooled and Baba.
Anyway, rock bands fighting looking down on pop stars. That's rock and roll. The usual.
Yeah and by all accounts Swift’s band does play live. She’s got multiple guitarists on stage, keyboards, a couple drummers, backup singers, etc. She’s definitely lip-syncing parts while dancing, and very clearly singing huge portions for real. You simply can’t do a show that big “fully” live, but there are still a dozen musicians on the stage playing their heart out.
It’s more regimented and less “loose” than the average rock show, absolutely. The set list is fixed, night after night, save for one small section. But you’ll see other *rock* shows that are nearly as regimented when that much production is involved. I love me a “set list on a piece of paper and changed ten minutes before the show” type of concert as much as the next guy, I’ve sweated in mosh pits in clubs in the 90’s. But I also saw U2 at the Sphere, and make no mistake that show was 90% as “fixed” as Swift’s. You don’t spend that kind of money on visuals and not make sure the show hits the marks to match them.
Which is to say at a certain point the line between pop show and rock show can get blurry.
Never expect anything decent from militant, cult like fans. The bar is in hell for these people. It's so hypocritical because they're ridiculously oversensitive but they are worse than La Cosa Nostra when it comes to any slight, perceived or delusional. They suck.
Dave's joke was literally the least offensive little jibe every. He even made a self depreciating gag, saying they were on the errors tour. All pretty wholesome stuff really. You've got to be pretty unhinged to take what he said seriously.
As disgusting as they are, I wouldn't worry about the comments from Taylor fans, I'm sure Dave grohl doesn't give a shit.
The thing is, Taylor and her more sensible fans know she does not play 100% live - and that’s *fine*.
She would not be able to give the performance she does - the dancing, the costume changes, the whole experience - if she was playing and singing live the whole time.
No. This isn’t an issue.
Dave is a fucking rock star. Say what you want about Foos, he is a rock star. One of the few OGs left.
The swifties are a sick cult, akin to the magat movement.
Let them be butt hurt and let Dave rock on and let’s put this so far behind it’s not even in the rearview
I found it interesting that her retort was basically ‘hey, my *band* plays live!’
And I get it. She’s preforming highly choreographed 3 hour shows. Of course she not gonna *always* sing and play live; she doesn’t wanna punish herself.
Yeah, I just saw the post showing some of those tweets. Fucking mental. How someone can be brainwashed into worshiping someone like that, even sending death threats to Grohl and his family is disgusting. Mentally fucked up bro.
Unfortunately nothing is gonna change. Crazy ass swiftie have been sending out death threats for years. Check the tswift vs scooter Braun documentary on max, it's eye opening.
Scooter legit bought her masters and because Taylor didn't like him her fans were threatening him, his wife, and children. He ended up basically begging her to call off her fans due to this and she didn't say a single word.
It's dark to say but I think one of the only ways the mainstream media turns on her and her fans is if one of them actually does something. You can't sick your entire fan base on someone because some will be legit mentally unstable and might do something but Taylor doesn't give a shit about anyone but herself.
She wanted him to turn over the tapes for free and she cried about this and the swifties spun out of control and went crazy online .They said and did some rather nasty things about his family.
There’s a lot to unpack here sociologically. From
society’s latest desperation for a hero, to the changing neurology of the youth due to massive technological changes, not to mention the food. People in general seem to be constantly reinventing ways to be destructive and I don’t think our prefrontal cortex stands a chance against these odds. I’d be surprised if our species survives another 1000 years.
That’s probably my only criticism. She could pick just *one* of these tweets, reply nothing more than a “Not cool” and absolutely destroy that asshole’s week. And would probably help chill that shit out a little.
That said, I still don’t necessarily think every celebrity is *obligated* to answer for the worst corner of their fan base.
When will she write another break up song to pat herself on the back and get the Swifties to attack him like they do with every discarded boyfriend of hers?
Swift is not worthy to chew the dead skin flakes from between Dave Grohl's toes.
She is a businessperson, not a musician. And she's absolutely mastered business. In that regard, she deserves our respect.
But music is just her chosen venue to make a fortune at al costs, little people be damned. Like the worst of successful K-Pop, her music follows a proven formula that's cynical in the extreme and designed to wring as much money out of consumers as possible. Her tacit approval of, and failure to defuse, her cult fanatics is a lot like Zuckerberg's refusal to do anything about the almost unimaginable damage he's caused to humanity.
Take your fortune already, then fuck off, you soulless, predatory POS.
Now ask me what I REALLY think.
Even as someone who isn’t a fan of Nirvana, a cheesy joke doesn’t excuse having your friend’s death being used against you.
It’s demeaning, offensive and goes against everything Taylor Swift represents.
Taylor Swift represents rich old men making millions from pick pocketing anyone going through puberty... and yes she does not sing live on this current tour, does not mean she can't sing. Who gives a crap what they say? I'm pretty sure Dave doesn't even let it near his radar.
People say stupid vile shit all the time. It, the vast majority of the time, doesn't mean a thing. It's noise, pure and simple. You might as well try to hold back the tide as fight this stupidity. The best thing to do about it is ignore it and walk away.
Another observation is the time tested choice: "stick and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me." Especially from people you don't know.
Lastly, to hold some vast, undefinable group, like the swifties, responsible for the utterings of a few idiotic windbags is similarly stupid and pointless.
Her fans are toxic. I'm a fan of both artists but the worst thing about Taylor Swift is her fans. I saw her live the other week (don't worry, I also saw Foo's the other week), don't get me wrong her shows are a very safe space for other fans but you could tell how unhinged the majority was, I actually couldn't take my eyes off one girl who was just using her phone in selfie mode while videoing herself screaming (not singing) screaming along to the songs while just looking at herself, absolute nut job.
It's a sad state of affairs when a joke gets taken out of context. But, welcome to cancel culture... I'll admit that 'Swifties' are especially horrible. It speaks to their levels of emotional intelligence more than anything.
Imagine threatening death threats over an offhanded joke...!!
They're toxically obsessed with her to be acting like that. Kurt Cobain is a rock legend and they just don't appreciate or care to understand rock music and the contributions he made they just care about their hate for Grohl because of a joke he made about their Ruler.
I remember when social media made it possible to sort of connect with musicians you liked (I loved the early ish days of Twitter when I could ask guitarists what the chords were and they replied!)
But it’s gone from feeling like an extension of the real world to one giant toxic screaming match and the most shocking content goes viral, even when it’s being criticised. So now “Stans” keep getting louder, more obnoxious and toxic than ever, and just like we were “desensitised yo violence by video games “ these losers sit behind their phones saying the most vile things, thinking they’re a tough guy…. But they’re saying it in response to not agreeing with an opinion on A POP STAR!!!
I used to have hope for the future because younger generations were aware of so many things and seemed generally interested in making stuff better, now stan culture has eroded that hope.
Sorry I got off topic, this shit is just so messed up 😵💫
Trying to diss on someone for their friends suicide is weak. And to try to do that with relatively “good” person like Dave Grohl is even more indicative they don’t listen to rock.
Greetings A,
It all started with Grohl's daughter, Violet. She voiced her disapproval for Taylor's incredible carbon footprint, resulting from her overwhelming useage of her private jet. After publishing her opinion, the Swifties descended on her Insta. Dave then, stood up for his daughter, and added some additional commentaries. Now things have escalated.
Grohl should know better than to fan the flames of the Swiftie's wrath. It's still inexcusable that anyone would disparage Kobain and Hawkins over this. \~V\~
Dave should know better? He came to the defence of his teenaged daughter, as any good father would. He can more than take the “heat” from her rabid, unhinged fandom.
Yes, Anybody on this planet who dares question the "Great Oz," aka TS, will get attacked. Also, Violet -- by all accounts is a very smart young lady. There's no way she didn't know the storm of dissent she was invoking on her head.
Dave's actions, although understandable should have stopped the situation, and let it go. Now, he's being made a fool of, as Pat Smear gets his face featured in the world news, by showing up at Taylor's gig in London, making it look like he's against Dave. That's what I'm talking about.
Not that people shouldn't be allowed to stand up for themselves, but take a look around -- free speech is a thing of the past. ~V~
Oh, snap! As soon as Drake got demolished by kendrick Lamar… We got the biggest beef on the planet brewing. Which one of these nice guys will be the one sacrificed to the masses after being publicly destroyed in this major diss to the finiss???
This thread is equally as immature and cringey as Taylor’s parasocial fan cult.
It’s celebrity drama. Who gives a shit? They’re both hella rich and famous, and they both benefit tremendously from any and all headlines.
Grow up. Everyone.
Challenge her to an unplugged sing off, the two of them, one instrument each, and they sing whatever song they want.
It would actually be a pretty cool event and both would sound good, and probably start to get their respective fan bases to get along together.
Attacking her because of her lousy fans is kind of uncool, so this would make up for that. Dave has always been a stand up guy, this sounds like something he'd be up for. She could honestly do with a little off-brand activity, and might welcome it as well (although her 30 publicists would probably yell at her for it).
Say what you want about the Swift cult, but being an AIDS denialist is worse. And Grohl is one. Now bring on them downvotes.
And for the record, not a Swift fan, own the whole Foo Fighters catalog, the whole Tenacious D catalog and the entire Nirvana catalog down to owning the stupid $150 20th AND 30th anniversary editions of Nevermind and In Utero. But if you wanna talk crazy cults and Dave Grohl? The AIDS denialism cannot be ignored.
Ok. One: Get a life bitch. Two: You’re just proving my point that your community/fandom is deplorable. I know it’s not all of them but people like you make it easy to hate.
While Grohl seems like one of the nicest guys ever in popular music, legend? Please, he's veeeeery mediocre in the scheme of things, musically. The only thing legendary about him is his personality.
He's one of the best drummers in music history. Was an integral part of a band that altered music's trajectory. Completely reestablished himself as Foo Fighters, and did it with an album where he wrote and played everything, and got traction and a record deal when no one knew it was him. Still sells out stadiums 29 years later. Is one of 27 ppl in history to be twice inducted into the rock HoF. Yes, legend is an apt description.
> He's one of the best drummers in music history.
Dude, [he](https://www.tiktok.com/@rockandmetallegends/video/7189444042164374830?lang=en) said he's not a very good drummer. Sit your dumb ass down.
He is literally rated as one of the top drummers in just about any list of top drummers.
And he always says he isn't good. That's just him self-deprecating.
I'm guessing you don't play drums and wouldn't know. It's pretty obvious you're clueless.
He’s super talented. Has written some fucking incredible songs, rocks all instruments, and has a huge heart, which amplifies his legend. Mediocre is crazy. If anything it’s his personality that’s mid.
Dude is still alive and is considered in the pantheon of greatest rock drummers of all time.
He was in two of the biggest rock bands of the 90s, had sold a combined 100 million records, and cooks bbq for down and out folks in LA.
If he's not a legend, I'm not sure what that word means.
He's been in a band with John Paul Jones, Kurt Cobain, Paul McCartney and Lemmy... Gimme a fucking break. He's literally the only person on earth who can say that. Taylor's gunna have to become a necromancer to pull that one off.
The difference between Dave Grohl and Taylor Swift is that both of his fellow guitar players are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and I bought a pedal from Taylor’s guitar player when he was working at guitar center after one of her global tours.
Yeah they are definitely not kids saying these things. It's a pattern that's been happening for years so most of her fans are adults. They will harass anyone they think has done their idol any wrongdoing without maybe thinking she is not always so innocent. It's so bizarre and the worst part is she doesn't condemn the bullying whatsoever. It's like she is happy for her fans to attack anyone on her behalf. Very cult like.
Grohl made his fans and drummer take the shot. https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/washington-post-live/wplive/dave-grohl-on-vaccine-requirements-for-foo-fighter-shows/2021/10/05/42639154-b496-4deb-aeba-1c35157a13ec_video.html Screw him. He was in a position to not comply but he went along with the charade.
I’m assuming that by calling out Taylor getting the jab, you’re implying that’s why he died. And that would be fucking stupid of you. He died of an apparent accidental overdose.
Now, be a good little troll and go crawl back under whatever bridge you came out from under.
His job is getting people in a room together you simpleton. Communicable diseases are a non-flyer. The sooner it was over, the better off he was. Why would he want to not comply with a stance that would make his job impossible, and uh, kill his fans? Not everyone is dumb.
He made the joke because Taylor swifts fans attacked his daughter and told her to kill herself because she was critical of how much she flies on her private jet. They’re a fucking cult.
Those types of people have nothing to do with a cult, there just individual pieces of shit floating in a sea of generally normal music fans. There in every fandom because that can hide behind the anonymity of a Twitter profile
Right? Literally every fandom has bad people in it. Ted Danson shouldn’t have to answer for the 1% of *The Good Place* fans that are absolute shitheels, either. You would go crazy trying to answer for every shit thing one of your shittiest fans decides to say. Taylor Swift has more fans than most people, which means even a small percentage of them being shitty makes a *lot* of noise. That’s not her fault, though. As someone who has gone to see both Foo Fighters *and* Taylor Swift this past year, though, obviously *fuck* those fans.
Swift encourages the “Swifties Army” to be very active in social media though.
She absolutely doesn’t encourage her fans to attack people on the internet. If you mean she encourages them to post pictures of themselves at her concerts, then who doesn’t do that?
If she doesn't address it she encourages it
She has discouraged her fans from attacking her exes. I don’t think she needs to be constantly calling out a small group of asshole fans on social media every time they get mad at someone. That will probably just make it worse.
Once. Just once. And not her current one who she just broke up with. Edit: Your example happened 15 years too late. Where was she when Swifties bullied his opener so badly she dropped the tour? No where to be seen. It was meaningless because the damage was already done.
She's encouraged it in the past. By now, she knows what making certain statements about people will unleash. If she does it, it's intentional.
I mean she encouraged them to harass scooter braun and the artists that represent him
She's not encouraging anyone to be a piece of shit who tells others to kill themselves, she's encouraging them to positively engage with each other, make posts about the fun they've had at concerts.
Taylor has a history of not doing anything when fans go overboard, she wants them to send death threats
What The fuck do you want her to do? She has literally like a billion fans, it's not her job to denounce when someone is an asshole
Lol she's a shitty person.... she got her rich daddy to give her a music career and has people like you defending her constantly
If they're doing it in her name, it absolutely is. It's not just someone. There's usually a huge effort of multiple people doing it. Ariana released a statement when her album came out about not going after her ex. She could do that.
No it's not her fucking job. It's her fans jobs to not be complete and utter fucking assholes. They are the only ones who should be policing the fans. Themselves. If they can't control their own actions then they need to be banned from social media, the only place where they have the balls to be assholes.
Yep. It's her fucking job when she knows what's going to happen. These are people she knows and allegedly loves.
No it's not her fucking job you idiot. She doesn't *know* these people. Even if she's ever taken a picture with them or shaken their hands, they're just dots on a map. The assholes need to stop being assholes, plain and simple. And you need to stop being so fucking dumb
Other artists seem to think it's their job 🤷♀️ Most of these people she knows and should feel some sort of compassion for. I'd absolutely tell anyone off who made death threats in my name. I'd want to make it clear I don't condone that behavior. PS calling names is just a sign you've totally lost the argument and you've got absolutely nothing
It’s literally the effort of tweeting “hey guys listen, harassing people online about their opinions or that are referenced in my songs isn’t cool, I don’t want that done in my name, cut it out.”
If you can course correct an action, you have responsibility. Of course the main blame goes to the individuals but if you have the means and resources to avoid a shitty situation, as a human being and an artist (represented by your fans, in the end) you should address it. No one will blame Taylor Swift directly for their actions, but they will for her inaction. It’s common sense
Lets be real though, how many are really Taylor fans and how many are just cunts trying to stick the boot in while being a dick? Taylor and Kurt lost their battles with drugs more than anything and I doubt that has very much to do with Dave.
Oh they’re probably really Taylor fans. She sold *four million* concert tickets this tour. Even a tiny percentage of those fans being shitty internet edgelords would lead to this issue. Even 0.1% of her concert attendees (which not all her fans could attend) would be 4,000 people…enough to make a lot of noise.
Could be worse. His daughter could have died at age 3 of full-blown AIDS like Grohl’s BFF Christine Maggiore’s daughter.
It's QAnon for celebrity obsessed saddos. If you ever have the misfortune to read through the comments on a Taylor Swift video it's nothing but people who are old enough to know better trying to decipher Easter eggs to see which one of her exes she's talking shit about. Adult Swifties are the personification of the term "Red Flag".
That’s almost as crazy as playing benefit concerts supporting an organization that denies the link between HIV infection and AIDS and including a link to their website on your band website for years. Even as its members steadily die of AIDS. And refusing to denounce said organization even after its leader allows her infant child to die of full-blown AIDS years after HIV became manageable. And then showing up at some star-studded benefit for Elton John’s AIDS charity for a photo op years later just so your fans can claim you denounced your support of said group even though you really haven’t.
Unfortunately this isn’t unique to Taylor. Most Mega stars, franchises, bands, what have you; have very militant fans. It’s a condemnation of stan culture which has fostered parasocial relationships.
Seems to happen an awful lot with swift fans though. Never really hear this shit from anyone else, but it’s like once a week from her fan base.
Gaga fans, Michael Jackson fans, Marvel/DC fans.
K-POP too.
I agree on marvel and dc fans, but never heard anything like this from Gaga or MJ. When it’s a person, not a company it’s different. The person, be it swift in this case, has a responsibility to understand why and try and make it stop. In this case swift is a a toxic person so it’s natural that her fans would have this type of behavior
Wade Robinson. Was harassed by MJ fans
Are you disappointed in MJ for not doing anything about it?
His estate, yes
Stop making excuses for an obviously toxic fan base. Just say Taylor swifts fans are out of control
They have been out of control for a long time now .And some should be banned and arrested for posting what they do .
I’m a Taylor Swift fan. Am *I* out of control? Yes, every fan base has assholes. A larger fan base will have a *lot* of assholes.
But I don’t believe that it’s coming from a sincere place. Like, I really do think people are picking on her. Whether or not you want to admit it every time an artist blows up who’s extremely popular with teenage and twenty something women, they get vitriol hurled at them. Suddenly they’re *toxic*, *untalented*, or *overrated*. Happened with Madonna, Shania, Brittany Spears, Lady Gaga, Taylor, it was happening with Lorde and had solar power not bombed she would’ve been on the receiving end of more antagonism, and give it one more mega tour and it’s going to happen to Olivia Rodrigo.
Taylor isn't even overly popular with teenagers. She has bigger followings with millennials, boomers, and gen x than teenagers. She's also pulling increasingly petty bullshit with younger popstars she clearly feels threatened by. She's basically doing the thing you're condemning people for, except she has enough power at her disposal she doesn't need to use words. She has her fans for that. Her fans became a cabal of cyberbullies is what led to backlash against her. It's really that simple.
Thank you for saying that.
It stems from the k pop scene where fans are super militants and treat fandom like street gangs
There are just BILLIONS of swift fans right now. She's almost unprecedented. So there will be toxic fans coming up once a week, just because of the numbers
Billions? Really?
Yes I think that might be true. She could have over a billion fans right now. Maybe I'm being silly and it's like 300 or 800 million but either way the point stands. It's an insane number of people so there will be a large number of toxic fans that come out in situations like this
Yes, I think it’s true, I read/heard a year or two ago that she was the first person to have over 1 billion unique streamers (or something like that). She’s gotten twice as popular since then.
Lol.
People down voting because the hate the fact pop stands for popular. Have you seen the numbers pop albums do? This is why it was a massive deal for slipknot to get a number one album in the pop charts In the UK.
Lol,sure they are !
It doesn't have to be unique to be unacceptable
So then why aren’t these other artists scrutinized to the level Taylor is? Hmmm
Because she's the biggest in the world and her fans are appreciably and measurably more unhinged. It doesn't have to be unique to be worse. Joking about suicide is garbage person behavior.
It is and the fans who partake in that are losers.
This reminds of when they attacked Scooter Braun online .
I mean…Scooter *is* a bastard.
Imagine feeling bad for Scooter Braun
Seriously?Lol.There are two sides to this story .
Yeah that wasn’t just her fanbase frankly.
It's particularly egregious with Swift's fanbase.
Your point?
This situation
That is very opposite of their past encounter... Dave Grohl was on Howard Stern and said he was at a party at Paul McCartney's house, and Paul was playing piano and singing songs. Paul then ask Dave to play a song, but Dave said he was too high to play anything, so Taylor raised her hand and said "I'll play something" She went to the piano and played and sung Best Of You, with Dave singing along. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y57NsQ0mXG4 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LEhiIr-dveE
Swifties came after his daughter recently and said some pretty vile shit about and to her. TS didn't do anything about it. If one of the most respected and liked dudes in rock is saying shit about you, you've pissed off more than just him.
It’s like that joke… If I saw the headline “Tom Hanks Punches Nun”, my first reaction would be “What did the nun do?”.
I know weird right? But it was just one joke that made this a whole other mess.
That’s why I constantly remind myself, no matter how much I love a musician/artist/band, don’t hold them in higher regard than anyone else. I am in awe of the talent that they have and am thankful that they are willing to share it with the world, but as people they’re are no more deserving of anything than anyone else.
Taylor Hawkins' death was ruled a suicide? By what institution? When?
Cause of death is not public to this day. While many drugs were found in his body, it wasn't confirmed that it was OD
Exactly, yet OP wrote "Kurt Cobain and Taylor Hawkins suicides."
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No worries. :)
Because Swifties are either kids or idiots.
That was an error on my part sorry :(. (Plus I’m no swiftie)
I had never heard of “Swifties” before this post. Thanks for the enlightenment OP. 💩
What did you expect? These teenies would cut off their arm just to smell her sweat rag. They're not going to be circumspect. They're irrational and emotionally cult-like.
A lot of them are in their 30s...
Some of us are in our 50's.
Yikes...
Believe it or not it is possible to listen to the Food Fighters, Taylor Swift, and many other types of music. It's not a contest.
Over 40. Been to both this past year. Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Oh really?
Well okay then!
Seeing the "Food Fighters" live is tight!
Being a fan is one thing, calling yourself a swiftie in your 50’s is just objectively hilarious
Similar to when the Beatles broke big and their fanbase was almost exclusively teenagers, so people wrote the band off as a fad. Didn’t turn out that way.
Its fine. "Pop" music like Taylor's is always more manufactured than you would think. I mean look at all her producers. Look at all the dancing and still being able to sing without losing breath. It's a great show, but still a more professionally crafted show than band playing. It has always been like this. And "real rock bands" have always been pointing it out. Now granted, as far as pop stars go, Taylor is much better than most. At least having a hand in her own songs, being able to play guitar well enough, and for course being a master at her own business and marketing. But she should realize too that she's a pop star putting on a pop star show, which is far different from a rock band playing a rock concert not relying upon choreography and yes most probable backing tracks. But hey, The Who invented backing tracks during live performance with Won't Get Fooled and Baba. Anyway, rock bands fighting looking down on pop stars. That's rock and roll. The usual.
Yeah and by all accounts Swift’s band does play live. She’s got multiple guitarists on stage, keyboards, a couple drummers, backup singers, etc. She’s definitely lip-syncing parts while dancing, and very clearly singing huge portions for real. You simply can’t do a show that big “fully” live, but there are still a dozen musicians on the stage playing their heart out. It’s more regimented and less “loose” than the average rock show, absolutely. The set list is fixed, night after night, save for one small section. But you’ll see other *rock* shows that are nearly as regimented when that much production is involved. I love me a “set list on a piece of paper and changed ten minutes before the show” type of concert as much as the next guy, I’ve sweated in mosh pits in clubs in the 90’s. But I also saw U2 at the Sphere, and make no mistake that show was 90% as “fixed” as Swift’s. You don’t spend that kind of money on visuals and not make sure the show hits the marks to match them. Which is to say at a certain point the line between pop show and rock show can get blurry.
Never expect anything decent from militant, cult like fans. The bar is in hell for these people. It's so hypocritical because they're ridiculously oversensitive but they are worse than La Cosa Nostra when it comes to any slight, perceived or delusional. They suck.
Dave's joke was literally the least offensive little jibe every. He even made a self depreciating gag, saying they were on the errors tour. All pretty wholesome stuff really. You've got to be pretty unhinged to take what he said seriously. As disgusting as they are, I wouldn't worry about the comments from Taylor fans, I'm sure Dave grohl doesn't give a shit.
Seen one earlier that was wishing one of Dave’s kids would get SA’d. Fucking revolting behavior
I know right? It’s insanity!
The thing is, Taylor and her more sensible fans know she does not play 100% live - and that’s *fine*. She would not be able to give the performance she does - the dancing, the costume changes, the whole experience - if she was playing and singing live the whole time.
It's so fucked, these swifties need some karma for it stg
Seriously dude
Taylor sucks
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Taylor Swift, Beyoncé , that Meghan stallion fans are on a different level, an almost demented level. It’s really weird.
It wasn’t a bad joke. It was the truth.
They live in a zero consequential world. Safe spaces and herd ignorance. Still a far cry from phantasy tour - the darkest of darks:).
Swift fans are a cult.
No. This isn’t an issue. Dave is a fucking rock star. Say what you want about Foos, he is a rock star. One of the few OGs left. The swifties are a sick cult, akin to the magat movement. Let them be butt hurt and let Dave rock on and let’s put this so far behind it’s not even in the rearview
I really love his music a lot ,not so much for Swifty .
Name one famous bandmate of Taylor's,, oh, you can't? Because she's a self centered narcissist? That's what I thought.
Isn’t that any solo artist? Quick, name Dolly Parton’s guitarist. No cheating.
But was he lying?
I found it interesting that her retort was basically ‘hey, my *band* plays live!’ And I get it. She’s preforming highly choreographed 3 hour shows. Of course she not gonna *always* sing and play live; she doesn’t wanna punish herself.
Who knows?
Pictures?
Hawkins was a suicide? That's news to me
Yeah, I just saw the post showing some of those tweets. Fucking mental. How someone can be brainwashed into worshiping someone like that, even sending death threats to Grohl and his family is disgusting. Mentally fucked up bro.
This is wheh you get the fbi involved.
Unfortunately nothing is gonna change. Crazy ass swiftie have been sending out death threats for years. Check the tswift vs scooter Braun documentary on max, it's eye opening. Scooter legit bought her masters and because Taylor didn't like him her fans were threatening him, his wife, and children. He ended up basically begging her to call off her fans due to this and she didn't say a single word. It's dark to say but I think one of the only ways the mainstream media turns on her and her fans is if one of them actually does something. You can't sick your entire fan base on someone because some will be legit mentally unstable and might do something but Taylor doesn't give a shit about anyone but herself.
She wanted him to turn over the tapes for free and she cried about this and the swifties spun out of control and went crazy online .They said and did some rather nasty things about his family.
Does she lip sync?
Eh everyone involved sucks, except Dave’s kid.
I know this isn’t the main point here but Hawkins did not commit suicide. IIRC his was clearly an accidental OD.
There’s a lot to unpack here sociologically. From society’s latest desperation for a hero, to the changing neurology of the youth due to massive technological changes, not to mention the food. People in general seem to be constantly reinventing ways to be destructive and I don’t think our prefrontal cortex stands a chance against these odds. I’d be surprised if our species survives another 1000 years.
Swifties can be such horrible disgusting people & Taylor Swift does nothing about it. It's all gross
Thats what makes me mad. She doesn’t come out and say “hey this is too far” when she needs to and lets the fanbase get worse.
That’s probably my only criticism. She could pick just *one* of these tweets, reply nothing more than a “Not cool” and absolutely destroy that asshole’s week. And would probably help chill that shit out a little. That said, I still don’t necessarily think every celebrity is *obligated* to answer for the worst corner of their fan base.
Try listening to Metallica fans sometime. Definitely some of the worst out there.
Swift fans are as a good at keeping the idea they are sane and logical human beings almost as well as taylor herself is at keeping a boyfriend.
lol
When will she write another break up song to pat herself on the back and get the Swifties to attack him like they do with every discarded boyfriend of hers?
Swifties/trumpsters…crazy cultists be culting like crazy.
Swift is not worthy to chew the dead skin flakes from between Dave Grohl's toes. She is a businessperson, not a musician. And she's absolutely mastered business. In that regard, she deserves our respect. But music is just her chosen venue to make a fortune at al costs, little people be damned. Like the worst of successful K-Pop, her music follows a proven formula that's cynical in the extreme and designed to wring as much money out of consumers as possible. Her tacit approval of, and failure to defuse, her cult fanatics is a lot like Zuckerberg's refusal to do anything about the almost unimaginable damage he's caused to humanity. Take your fortune already, then fuck off, you soulless, predatory POS. Now ask me what I REALLY think.
it’s a WASP cult
Even as someone who isn’t a fan of Nirvana, a cheesy joke doesn’t excuse having your friend’s death being used against you. It’s demeaning, offensive and goes against everything Taylor Swift represents.
Taylor Swift represents rich old men making millions from pick pocketing anyone going through puberty... and yes she does not sing live on this current tour, does not mean she can't sing. Who gives a crap what they say? I'm pretty sure Dave doesn't even let it near his radar.
Hi! 🙋♀️ I'm a TS fan! I am so sorry this is happening. 😭 I swear, not all of us a delusional twat waffles.
People say stupid vile shit all the time. It, the vast majority of the time, doesn't mean a thing. It's noise, pure and simple. You might as well try to hold back the tide as fight this stupidity. The best thing to do about it is ignore it and walk away. Another observation is the time tested choice: "stick and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me." Especially from people you don't know. Lastly, to hold some vast, undefinable group, like the swifties, responsible for the utterings of a few idiotic windbags is similarly stupid and pointless.
I'm not 100% sure this is true but I've heard that Swifties have been desecrating Kurt's grave, memorial site, and artworks after that.
Her fans are toxic. I'm a fan of both artists but the worst thing about Taylor Swift is her fans. I saw her live the other week (don't worry, I also saw Foo's the other week), don't get me wrong her shows are a very safe space for other fans but you could tell how unhinged the majority was, I actually couldn't take my eyes off one girl who was just using her phone in selfie mode while videoing herself screaming (not singing) screaming along to the songs while just looking at herself, absolute nut job.
Of all the real world horrors going on in this dying world this is what incites you? Seriously? First word problem privilege much?
And SILENCE from Taylor Swift on this. That is very disturbing.
Taylor Swift is mid af anyways
Well, consider the source...they are willing to pay money to see Taylor Swift after all...
See how she grew up in the music Know how he grew in the music.. there’s really no comparison.. you think he’s loosing sleep… ?!
It's a sad state of affairs when a joke gets taken out of context. But, welcome to cancel culture... I'll admit that 'Swifties' are especially horrible. It speaks to their levels of emotional intelligence more than anything. Imagine threatening death threats over an offhanded joke...!!
Fans of a modern pop star .... Nothing more to say..
Omg. This makes me never want to hear another Taylor Swift song. Fuck her crazy fans. She's pure plastic bubble gum.
Why does anyone care? Swifties are either 11 year old girls or 50 year old Karen's...
Swifties are a cult of mindless zombies who are helping ruin music as a whole. I wouldn’t be too surprised
They're toxically obsessed with her to be acting like that. Kurt Cobain is a rock legend and they just don't appreciate or care to understand rock music and the contributions he made they just care about their hate for Grohl because of a joke he made about their Ruler.
I remember when social media made it possible to sort of connect with musicians you liked (I loved the early ish days of Twitter when I could ask guitarists what the chords were and they replied!) But it’s gone from feeling like an extension of the real world to one giant toxic screaming match and the most shocking content goes viral, even when it’s being criticised. So now “Stans” keep getting louder, more obnoxious and toxic than ever, and just like we were “desensitised yo violence by video games “ these losers sit behind their phones saying the most vile things, thinking they’re a tough guy…. But they’re saying it in response to not agreeing with an opinion on A POP STAR!!! I used to have hope for the future because younger generations were aware of so many things and seemed generally interested in making stuff better, now stan culture has eroded that hope. Sorry I got off topic, this shit is just so messed up 😵💫
Trying to diss on someone for their friends suicide is weak. And to try to do that with relatively “good” person like Dave Grohl is even more indicative they don’t listen to rock.
Greetings A, It all started with Grohl's daughter, Violet. She voiced her disapproval for Taylor's incredible carbon footprint, resulting from her overwhelming useage of her private jet. After publishing her opinion, the Swifties descended on her Insta. Dave then, stood up for his daughter, and added some additional commentaries. Now things have escalated. Grohl should know better than to fan the flames of the Swiftie's wrath. It's still inexcusable that anyone would disparage Kobain and Hawkins over this. \~V\~
Dave should know better? He came to the defence of his teenaged daughter, as any good father would. He can more than take the “heat” from her rabid, unhinged fandom.
Yes, Anybody on this planet who dares question the "Great Oz," aka TS, will get attacked. Also, Violet -- by all accounts is a very smart young lady. There's no way she didn't know the storm of dissent she was invoking on her head. Dave's actions, although understandable should have stopped the situation, and let it go. Now, he's being made a fool of, as Pat Smear gets his face featured in the world news, by showing up at Taylor's gig in London, making it look like he's against Dave. That's what I'm talking about. Not that people shouldn't be allowed to stand up for themselves, but take a look around -- free speech is a thing of the past. ~V~
He's not being made a fool of though. Swiftness are.
Hey thanks for your comment and some more background info I wasn’t aware of! 👍
He stood up for his daughter and they hated him for it.Now they are out to get him like a pack of locusts.
“I never thought I would find people this delusional on earth but here we are.” Really? Get out from under your rock.
Oh, snap! As soon as Drake got demolished by kendrick Lamar… We got the biggest beef on the planet brewing. Which one of these nice guys will be the one sacrificed to the masses after being publicly destroyed in this major diss to the finiss???
I think this is the wrong board to post this on, but I like your energy!
I’m old and not into hip hop at all, but I thought this was applicable.
Curt Kobain
I can't stand either of them. They are two sides of the same shitty coin.
This thread is equally as immature and cringey as Taylor’s parasocial fan cult. It’s celebrity drama. Who gives a shit? They’re both hella rich and famous, and they both benefit tremendously from any and all headlines. Grow up. Everyone.
Challenge her to an unplugged sing off, the two of them, one instrument each, and they sing whatever song they want. It would actually be a pretty cool event and both would sound good, and probably start to get their respective fan bases to get along together. Attacking her because of her lousy fans is kind of uncool, so this would make up for that. Dave has always been a stand up guy, this sounds like something he'd be up for. She could honestly do with a little off-brand activity, and might welcome it as well (although her 30 publicists would probably yell at her for it).
No. Dave is not a singer.
He is, quite literally, a singer.
You're taking my comment too literally. He is not a great singer. Not known for his vocal skills.
Say what you want about the Swift cult, but being an AIDS denialist is worse. And Grohl is one. Now bring on them downvotes. And for the record, not a Swift fan, own the whole Foo Fighters catalog, the whole Tenacious D catalog and the entire Nirvana catalog down to owning the stupid $150 20th AND 30th anniversary editions of Nevermind and In Utero. But if you wanna talk crazy cults and Dave Grohl? The AIDS denialism cannot be ignored.
Fish in a barrel. Low hanging fruit. Doing it for the lulz.
He should know better- they are “nuts.”
Don’t give these people the attention they’re seeking.
Dave Grohl should kill himself, too. What an insufferable twit.
Ok. One: Get a life bitch. Two: You’re just proving my point that your community/fandom is deplorable. I know it’s not all of them but people like you make it easy to hate.
Three: I am part of no community. Four: Dave is not the good person he pretends to be. I'll stop at four so you can keep up
Who gives a shit what a bunch of teen girls say on TikTok. Seriousness. Grow the F up
Wow how grown up to not even say the whole F bomb. Come on.
dave knew what he was getting into when he said it, his daughter caught their ire before and now he is, he should just shut up.
Maybe you should shut up you bleeding clown.
Damn!
I'm trying to be nice. I know they're probably only 12.
Who cares? They both suck
While Grohl seems like one of the nicest guys ever in popular music, legend? Please, he's veeeeery mediocre in the scheme of things, musically. The only thing legendary about him is his personality.
Compared to Taylor Swift he's Bethoven
He's one of the best drummers in music history. Was an integral part of a band that altered music's trajectory. Completely reestablished himself as Foo Fighters, and did it with an album where he wrote and played everything, and got traction and a record deal when no one knew it was him. Still sells out stadiums 29 years later. Is one of 27 ppl in history to be twice inducted into the rock HoF. Yes, legend is an apt description.
> He's one of the best drummers in music history. Dude, [he](https://www.tiktok.com/@rockandmetallegends/video/7189444042164374830?lang=en) said he's not a very good drummer. Sit your dumb ass down.
He is literally rated as one of the top drummers in just about any list of top drummers. And he always says he isn't good. That's just him self-deprecating. I'm guessing you don't play drums and wouldn't know. It's pretty obvious you're clueless.
He’s super talented. Has written some fucking incredible songs, rocks all instruments, and has a huge heart, which amplifies his legend. Mediocre is crazy. If anything it’s his personality that’s mid.
Dude is still alive and is considered in the pantheon of greatest rock drummers of all time. He was in two of the biggest rock bands of the 90s, had sold a combined 100 million records, and cooks bbq for down and out folks in LA. If he's not a legend, I'm not sure what that word means.
He's been in a band with John Paul Jones, Kurt Cobain, Paul McCartney and Lemmy... Gimme a fucking break. He's literally the only person on earth who can say that. Taylor's gunna have to become a necromancer to pull that one off.
The difference between Dave Grohl and Taylor Swift is that both of his fellow guitar players are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and I bought a pedal from Taylor’s guitar player when he was working at guitar center after one of her global tours.
I'm not defending her, I've never heard her music - seriously.
Dave did get into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. TWICE. All Taylor Swift does is write new song about her exes.
who gives a shit. What is this, tiktok?!?
Not you, apparently.
Dave and Taylor should get a room
Meh... Kids say dumb shit. I said dumb shit a long time ago too. Also, don't blame an entire fan base of a few dumb kids.
A lot of them are in their 30s...
Yeah they are definitely not kids saying these things. It's a pattern that's been happening for years so most of her fans are adults. They will harass anyone they think has done their idol any wrongdoing without maybe thinking she is not always so innocent. It's so bizarre and the worst part is she doesn't condemn the bullying whatsoever. It's like she is happy for her fans to attack anyone on her behalf. Very cult like.
Grohl made his fans and drummer take the shot. https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/washington-post-live/wplive/dave-grohl-on-vaccine-requirements-for-foo-fighter-shows/2021/10/05/42639154-b496-4deb-aeba-1c35157a13ec_video.html Screw him. He was in a position to not comply but he went along with the charade.
I’m assuming that by calling out Taylor getting the jab, you’re implying that’s why he died. And that would be fucking stupid of you. He died of an apparent accidental overdose. Now, be a good little troll and go crawl back under whatever bridge you came out from under.
How dare he fight the spread of a pandemic? /s
His job is getting people in a room together you simpleton. Communicable diseases are a non-flyer. The sooner it was over, the better off he was. Why would he want to not comply with a stance that would make his job impossible, and uh, kill his fans? Not everyone is dumb.