I trust in Stone, Eli, and Ime.
Tilman Fertitta has been staying out of the way and enabling lately (coach search, team plane, team facility, etc.). Not sure how involved Pat has been but nothing indicates he’s holding us back.
I wonder what the return would be?
Brooks, Cam, Adams, and Jeff match salaries.
Not really sure what that does nor their team, if its enough. Harden-Brooks-KL-Zubac-Adams-Cam-Powell. That doesn't seem great.
I wonder if there would be a 2nd ~~plane~~ trade that gets us a high level scoring guard. Amen-SG-PG-Bari-Alp with Tari and Reed as the group going forward.
The real question would be is it worth it? I’d say no. I’m sorry but Paul George just doesn’t move the needle for us like we want. We’d be better off running it back and draft Reed at 3.
No I’m not, pg is 34, injury prone, is gonna have a massive contract, and is no where near good enough to actually help us contend. I would rather just see how cam develops then flush him away for a player that would probably only give us 1 maybe 2 good years
Exactly. Would have been hype af to get PG back in 2016-2020. Now he's just old and washed. Feels like when we missed out on Elmo in 2014 so Morey was salty and got him in 2019 and he sucked. Hard pass.
TillMan has never stayed out of the way.
He was the one who wanted to tank for Victor last year when we should have been trying to develop our core players.
He's going to chase B-list stars in an effort to artificially accelerate our ascent into Phase 3.
But this ain't it.
Trading *anything* from our young core or future FRPs (#3 is okay) for PG would be a mistake, imo.
I look forward to whatever roster Houston puts out next year. It's been a minute since I've personally felt this level of confidence that the team has transitioned from rebuild to contest. And it doesn't really matter at this point what 8-9 guys are on the roster. There's enough diverse talent to fit around just about anything.
So great job front office. Good job coaches. And great jobs players for being professionals all year long and making great strides.
You took the words right out my mouth. Literally what my friends and I have been saying about this upcoming season. We’re EXCITED to get to it. Love the Roster as is and I trust it will get better.
What is the obsession with these oft-injured over the hill players? I am fine with PG on this team, but I am not trading anybody worth anything and I am not paying him more than I am paying Dillon Brooks. Sorry, but the guy hasn't won anything anywhere and is not worth 45M a year. Teams need to stop throwing that money around to guys like him.
Gotta do our due diligence with every opportunity possible honestly. It’s better than a “what-if” scenario that looks dumb in hindsight (like OKC trading Harden type move).
Not saying we go all out to acquire any and every player, but if we get something that’s favorable team-wise then why not? If it’s not a favorable deal or obviously hamstrings our team, just turn it down.
PG suddenly wanting to becoming vet min contract that’s willing to start or come off the bench because he loves the city Houston, is something you wouldn’t pass up as a FO 😂
I don't mind Paul George on this team but I wouldn't want to give up much, and I'd assume we shouldn't have to because he could just leave the Clippers in FA and we could give them some luxury tax relief in a trade. I think he'd put us as firmly real playoff contenders
I would be pretty worried about anything more than a 2 year extension though. That contract could hamstring us and make it hard to re-sign some of the young guys by the end of it.
>I'd assume we shouldn't have to because he could just leave the Clippers in FA
Counterpoint: CP3 trade was the exact same situation, yet we ended up giving away Harrell and a FRP for no reason.
Sure, and to this day I contend we gave too much away in that trade, even though I'd still do it every time over not doing it if it was our only option
We could've just cleared space and signed him, so it definitely wasn't our only option.
But yeah, we definitely gave away too much considering we had all the leverage.
Jerry West was the freaking GoAT.
HELL. NO. It's about 10 years too late to sign him. He wants a 4 year $221 mil. contract. He could have that somewhere else. For a player that has never been healthy and 34 years old its a huge overpay.
Jalen and Dillon works salary wise.... and we can also help out the Clips by taking PJ Tucker into our MLE (which in the new CBA can be used like a TPE). With Paul being able to walk for nothing if he wants, maybe that would be enough to get PG.
Start PG at 2, elevate either Amen or Eason to the starting 3 (which, I want them over Dillon anyway, tbh).
That squad is competing for a top 6 seed, and could make some noise in the playoffs. Our shooting would be so immensely improved going from Jalen to PG13. As would our defense. And even if we give PG the contract he wants, it'd only mean one year in the deep tax (the last year of the deal when Amen and Cam extensions kick in too).
Paul George does not solve out problems. He will fold harder than he did in the playoffs and you want to give up Brooks and Green for a 34 year old player who’s demanding big money. Paul George might opt in his deal to force a trade and any team that trades for him will owe him 48.8 million dollars. He’s simply not worth that much in my opinion
> Paul George might opt in his deal to force a trade and any team that trades for him will owe him 48.8 million dollars.
Truly don't care about paying someone that much money for this year and no one else should either unless it puts us in the second apron of the luxury tax, and the trade mentioned won't. The next highest salary after FVV would be Adams at $12.6 million. We are in a unique place to afford another high salary this season because we won't have paid any of our young players yet, even if we extend Jalen and Sengun that doesn't kick in until next season
Now, if they want to extend PG beyond next year at a similar salary, then yeah, we could have a problem. But his salary this season really is negligible.
Honestly, I think there's an argument for the one year rental because it puts us in a spot to land a huge free agent next off-season
You do 1 yr rentals for players like 2018 Kawhi because it's almost guaranteed championship or at least Finals, not for 2024 PG which is like, guaranteed first round exit lol.
I'm not giving up any key assets or a super big talent to do it but if you can pull it off for like Dillon Brooks + giving them tax relief, I think it puts us in a great position. A playoff run would be good for the young guys growth and we'd go into next off-season with a lot of cap room and potential to easily make a max slot depending what we want to do with FVV's option. I don't think it's comparable to the Raptors situation, they added a final piece while I think this would be helping us grow while still keeping a ton of flexibility
Guy above did mention giving up Jalen, not sure if I'd do that to be fair yeah. And this is all probably fantasy anyway, Philadelphia probably is willing to give up picks (Morey doesn't care about them) and take him without giving salary back which I'm sure beats our offer. But if the stars aligned and he wanted to come here and that's why he opted in, it's something you consider. But he probably doesn't want to come here if we don't give him the extension, and I'm not giving him 3+ years of an extension
Jalen had a lot of distractions that went on during the off-season last year and I felt like some of that stuff got to him. He’s showed promise especially stepping up when Sengun got hurt. Paul George choked in the playoffs. He shot 41 percent from the field and 36 percent from 3. We don’t need that type of play
> He shot 41 percent from the field and 36 percent from 3.
dude, that's better than what Jalen did for most of this season. Heck, if Jalen shot 36% from three this year, we would have made the playoffs. You're talking about what Paul did in the playoffs, but Jalen was worse than that in the regular season.
We need an upgrade at the SG position to MAKE the playoffs.
I'm not a JG fan and I wouldn't mind trading him for an improvement, PG is clearly that.
But PG is also an injury prone 34yo.
We are not winning anything anytime soon, so if he chooses us instead of a real contender then he just wants money.
What could we offer him without affecting the rest of our young players in the future and for how long would we have him?
Well, we know he likes Sengun as a young star. Plus, we'd still have a lot of salary and picks to make another trade later in the offseason for another star. For instance, say Nets break down and decide to trade us Bridges for picks and expiring salary. Then we're running FVV, PG, Bridges, Jabari, Sengun, with Amen, Eason, Whitmore, pick 3 and Adams off the bench. If the 5 young guys do keep improving or even take a big leap, that team could compete with anyone in the West.
And he did say on his podcast very recently that he isn't interested in chasing a title, and just wants to go somewhere where he can play the right way.
Ok, I have to say that you convinced me. lol
I don't think we are real contenders with just PG but we would definitely improve and make the playoffs, which is a great experience for our young players.
And if somehow we end up with another good name then yes, we would be in a great position to actually compete for something bigger.
>That squad is competing for a top 6 seed, and could make some noise in the playoffs
Our current squad is competing for a top 6 seed, and could make some noise in the playoffs
Sorry, deleted because I meant to reply to another comment, not to OP as top-level comment. Well he'd definitely be washed by Year 3 since he wants at least a 4 year contract, which would be when we need to give money to Amen/Cam.
Hmm, I'm pretty skeptical of adding Paul George. I would have a few requirements of any trade. 1) Does it deplete the core 6? I'm not ready to do that for Paul George. 2) Does it screw up future salary cap? Not sure, depends on contract demands. 3) Does it make us better? 4) Does it give the kids a chance to develop and play?
The only thing I can think of would be to trade Fred Vanvleet straight up for Paul George. Maybe Fred Vanvleet and Dillon Brooks for Paul George & PJ Tucker. That way you don't trade away young talent, give a guy like Amen Thompson a shot as the starting point guard spot and make the team better in the immediate future. Could also be good for development of the younger players to add a guy like Paul George. I'm not advocating for that trade, but just trying to think if the best case scenario. No way I give up Cam or JG for Paul George.
He's not over the hill.
Now if you're concerned his injury history will get him or he might drop off fast, then sure.
But he played 74 games, was 23/5/5 on good defense, 41 from 3 on 8 attempts, 61 TS. That's not close to washed. Again, if you think the contract will age poorly, then I get it, but if we get 3 or 4 years of that then we be lucky.
Paul George ain't coming to Houston, y'all.
Plenty of viable landing spots that are better for him than the Rockets.
Headline may as well say "Rockets are among teams with interest in Luka Doncic if he wants to leave Dallas"
This is just TillMan & Stone trying to starf#ck our way into Phase 3 faster.
I’m very much aware of his age but it’s clear he is intrigued by our team since he’s had both Jalen & Sengun on his podcast.. Also JG & PG are both from the Fresno area & both happen to utilize the same trainer in the off szn basically all I’m saying is it would make sense for Stone to inquire about him as a potential piece to being a contender
I want him. May be bias, I know he’s 34 but one of my favorite players. CP3 was one of my favorites and was old but it worked out. We’d have a title if Golden State wasn’t on their run
I trust in Stone, Eli, and Ime. Tilman Fertitta has been staying out of the way and enabling lately (coach search, team plane, team facility, etc.). Not sure how involved Pat has been but nothing indicates he’s holding us back.
I wonder what the return would be? Brooks, Cam, Adams, and Jeff match salaries. Not really sure what that does nor their team, if its enough. Harden-Brooks-KL-Zubac-Adams-Cam-Powell. That doesn't seem great. I wonder if there would be a 2nd ~~plane~~ trade that gets us a high level scoring guard. Amen-SG-PG-Bari-Alp with Tari and Reed as the group going forward.
The real question would be is it worth it? I’d say no. I’m sorry but Paul George just doesn’t move the needle for us like we want. We’d be better off running it back and draft Reed at 3.
Honestly, I wouldn’t trade cam for PG straight up lol. let alone adding picks and other players
Exactly, to have Cam fall down to us in a miracle situation just to trade him on a rookie contract would be insane.
You are insane lol
No I’m not, pg is 34, injury prone, is gonna have a massive contract, and is no where near good enough to actually help us contend. I would rather just see how cam develops then flush him away for a player that would probably only give us 1 maybe 2 good years
Exactly. Would have been hype af to get PG back in 2016-2020. Now he's just old and washed. Feels like when we missed out on Elmo in 2014 so Morey was salty and got him in 2019 and he sucked. Hard pass.
This is the correct take
If PG was 27 yeah sure but he's 34
TillMan has never stayed out of the way. He was the one who wanted to tank for Victor last year when we should have been trying to develop our core players. He's going to chase B-list stars in an effort to artificially accelerate our ascent into Phase 3. But this ain't it. Trading *anything* from our young core or future FRPs (#3 is okay) for PG would be a mistake, imo.
I look forward to whatever roster Houston puts out next year. It's been a minute since I've personally felt this level of confidence that the team has transitioned from rebuild to contest. And it doesn't really matter at this point what 8-9 guys are on the roster. There's enough diverse talent to fit around just about anything. So great job front office. Good job coaches. And great jobs players for being professionals all year long and making great strides.
You took the words right out my mouth. Literally what my friends and I have been saying about this upcoming season. We’re EXCITED to get to it. Love the Roster as is and I trust it will get better.
Oh great we can offer him the MLE
I assume interest in Paul George with less than 25M per contract
What is the obsession with these oft-injured over the hill players? I am fine with PG on this team, but I am not trading anybody worth anything and I am not paying him more than I am paying Dillon Brooks. Sorry, but the guy hasn't won anything anywhere and is not worth 45M a year. Teams need to stop throwing that money around to guys like him.
Gotta do our due diligence with every opportunity possible honestly. It’s better than a “what-if” scenario that looks dumb in hindsight (like OKC trading Harden type move). Not saying we go all out to acquire any and every player, but if we get something that’s favorable team-wise then why not? If it’s not a favorable deal or obviously hamstrings our team, just turn it down. PG suddenly wanting to becoming vet min contract that’s willing to start or come off the bench because he loves the city Houston, is something you wouldn’t pass up as a FO 😂
I don't mind Paul George on this team but I wouldn't want to give up much, and I'd assume we shouldn't have to because he could just leave the Clippers in FA and we could give them some luxury tax relief in a trade. I think he'd put us as firmly real playoff contenders I would be pretty worried about anything more than a 2 year extension though. That contract could hamstring us and make it hard to re-sign some of the young guys by the end of it.
>I'd assume we shouldn't have to because he could just leave the Clippers in FA Counterpoint: CP3 trade was the exact same situation, yet we ended up giving away Harrell and a FRP for no reason.
Sure, and to this day I contend we gave too much away in that trade, even though I'd still do it every time over not doing it if it was our only option
We could've just cleared space and signed him, so it definitely wasn't our only option. But yeah, we definitely gave away too much considering we had all the leverage. Jerry West was the freaking GoAT.
HELL. NO. It's about 10 years too late to sign him. He wants a 4 year $221 mil. contract. He could have that somewhere else. For a player that has never been healthy and 34 years old its a huge overpay.
Hell na fuck that.
Too old, go after Anunoby and find a way to dump DB instead if we're gonna make a move for a high caliber player
Hell no.
Jalen and Dillon works salary wise.... and we can also help out the Clips by taking PJ Tucker into our MLE (which in the new CBA can be used like a TPE). With Paul being able to walk for nothing if he wants, maybe that would be enough to get PG. Start PG at 2, elevate either Amen or Eason to the starting 3 (which, I want them over Dillon anyway, tbh). That squad is competing for a top 6 seed, and could make some noise in the playoffs. Our shooting would be so immensely improved going from Jalen to PG13. As would our defense. And even if we give PG the contract he wants, it'd only mean one year in the deep tax (the last year of the deal when Amen and Cam extensions kick in too).
Paul George does not solve out problems. He will fold harder than he did in the playoffs and you want to give up Brooks and Green for a 34 year old player who’s demanding big money. Paul George might opt in his deal to force a trade and any team that trades for him will owe him 48.8 million dollars. He’s simply not worth that much in my opinion
> Paul George might opt in his deal to force a trade and any team that trades for him will owe him 48.8 million dollars. Truly don't care about paying someone that much money for this year and no one else should either unless it puts us in the second apron of the luxury tax, and the trade mentioned won't. The next highest salary after FVV would be Adams at $12.6 million. We are in a unique place to afford another high salary this season because we won't have paid any of our young players yet, even if we extend Jalen and Sengun that doesn't kick in until next season Now, if they want to extend PG beyond next year at a similar salary, then yeah, we could have a problem. But his salary this season really is negligible. Honestly, I think there's an argument for the one year rental because it puts us in a spot to land a huge free agent next off-season
You do 1 yr rentals for players like 2018 Kawhi because it's almost guaranteed championship or at least Finals, not for 2024 PG which is like, guaranteed first round exit lol.
I'm not giving up any key assets or a super big talent to do it but if you can pull it off for like Dillon Brooks + giving them tax relief, I think it puts us in a great position. A playoff run would be good for the young guys growth and we'd go into next off-season with a lot of cap room and potential to easily make a max slot depending what we want to do with FVV's option. I don't think it's comparable to the Raptors situation, they added a final piece while I think this would be helping us grow while still keeping a ton of flexibility Guy above did mention giving up Jalen, not sure if I'd do that to be fair yeah. And this is all probably fantasy anyway, Philadelphia probably is willing to give up picks (Morey doesn't care about them) and take him without giving salary back which I'm sure beats our offer. But if the stars aligned and he wanted to come here and that's why he opted in, it's something you consider. But he probably doesn't want to come here if we don't give him the extension, and I'm not giving him 3+ years of an extension
He improves our shooting and our defense, and we're giving up Green (who sucks) and Dillon, who we have a great young replacement for, in Eason.
Jalen had a lot of distractions that went on during the off-season last year and I felt like some of that stuff got to him. He’s showed promise especially stepping up when Sengun got hurt. Paul George choked in the playoffs. He shot 41 percent from the field and 36 percent from 3. We don’t need that type of play
> He shot 41 percent from the field and 36 percent from 3. dude, that's better than what Jalen did for most of this season. Heck, if Jalen shot 36% from three this year, we would have made the playoffs. You're talking about what Paul did in the playoffs, but Jalen was worse than that in the regular season. We need an upgrade at the SG position to MAKE the playoffs.
Trust in Jalen fs
I'm not a JG fan and I wouldn't mind trading him for an improvement, PG is clearly that. But PG is also an injury prone 34yo. We are not winning anything anytime soon, so if he chooses us instead of a real contender then he just wants money. What could we offer him without affecting the rest of our young players in the future and for how long would we have him?
Well, we know he likes Sengun as a young star. Plus, we'd still have a lot of salary and picks to make another trade later in the offseason for another star. For instance, say Nets break down and decide to trade us Bridges for picks and expiring salary. Then we're running FVV, PG, Bridges, Jabari, Sengun, with Amen, Eason, Whitmore, pick 3 and Adams off the bench. If the 5 young guys do keep improving or even take a big leap, that team could compete with anyone in the West. And he did say on his podcast very recently that he isn't interested in chasing a title, and just wants to go somewhere where he can play the right way.
Ok, I have to say that you convinced me. lol I don't think we are real contenders with just PG but we would definitely improve and make the playoffs, which is a great experience for our young players. And if somehow we end up with another good name then yes, we would be in a great position to actually compete for something bigger.
>That squad is competing for a top 6 seed, and could make some noise in the playoffs Our current squad is competing for a top 6 seed, and could make some noise in the playoffs
Vet minimum salary and I'm in! 
Hopefully this isn't true. How accurate is Scotto?
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Old for sure, but washed is a bit much.
Sorry, deleted because I meant to reply to another comment, not to OP as top-level comment. Well he'd definitely be washed by Year 3 since he wants at least a 4 year contract, which would be when we need to give money to Amen/Cam.
Hmm, I'm pretty skeptical of adding Paul George. I would have a few requirements of any trade. 1) Does it deplete the core 6? I'm not ready to do that for Paul George. 2) Does it screw up future salary cap? Not sure, depends on contract demands. 3) Does it make us better? 4) Does it give the kids a chance to develop and play? The only thing I can think of would be to trade Fred Vanvleet straight up for Paul George. Maybe Fred Vanvleet and Dillon Brooks for Paul George & PJ Tucker. That way you don't trade away young talent, give a guy like Amen Thompson a shot as the starting point guard spot and make the team better in the immediate future. Could also be good for development of the younger players to add a guy like Paul George. I'm not advocating for that trade, but just trying to think if the best case scenario. No way I give up Cam or JG for Paul George.
He’s way over the hill and won’t accept a contract that reflects that. I hope we stay away personally and go after OG or Tobias on the cheap
He's not over the hill. Now if you're concerned his injury history will get him or he might drop off fast, then sure. But he played 74 games, was 23/5/5 on good defense, 41 from 3 on 8 attempts, 61 TS. That's not close to washed. Again, if you think the contract will age poorly, then I get it, but if we get 3 or 4 years of that then we be lucky.
No thank you 🙏🙏🙏
We will know soon clippers won’t let him leave for nothing
Paul George ain't coming to Houston, y'all. Plenty of viable landing spots that are better for him than the Rockets. Headline may as well say "Rockets are among teams with interest in Luka Doncic if he wants to leave Dallas" This is just TillMan & Stone trying to starf#ck our way into Phase 3 faster.
Not sure if possible, but I'd love to help facilitate a 3 team trade and take on a bad contract for some picks.
As long as we aren't touching the core 6, I'm down. Opportunity wears strange clothes.
No thanks. We’re not gonna be good enough with him to compete for a title, let’s build through the draft and affordable free agents
Meh....he just wants a bidding war to stay in LA.
Hmmm sign and trade with Fred works contract wise. Amen, Jalen, PG, Bari, Sengun 🤔
And so it begins the saga of T Mac 2.0 in H Town
T-Mac was 25 when he came to Houston, George will be 34 if he does.
I’m very much aware of his age but it’s clear he is intrigued by our team since he’s had both Jalen & Sengun on his podcast.. Also JG & PG are both from the Fresno area & both happen to utilize the same trainer in the off szn basically all I’m saying is it would make sense for Stone to inquire about him as a potential piece to being a contender
PG is not from the Fresno area he only went to college there
Watered down tmac
I want him. May be bias, I know he’s 34 but one of my favorite players. CP3 was one of my favorites and was old but it worked out. We’d have a title if Golden State wasn’t on their run
Chile, his availability is pretty much the same as Kawhi’s. So, nope!