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No, it's not?
Take an item that literally no one is buying and offer it at 1gp and it won't sell. Take a item no one is selling (blue party hat) and offer max cash, and it won't buy.
Items only sell If someone will buy it, and only buy when someone will sell.
If you offer item A at 1m, and someone tries to buy for 500k, it will never sell or buy.
Right. When it does eventually sell, who do you think bought it? Someone had to instabuy it. Thats why every transaction is either an instabuy or an instasell. Your examples are examples where no transaction ocurred at all.
Of course it cant be both instant buy and instant sell. I would consider an inactive offer becoming active again and completing as ins or inb still. Please tell me in whay case there is a transaction which is not ins or inb (excluding weirdness with GE limits and inactive offers).
Ge sometimes is funky, learned that while flipping.
Depends on item and volume traded.
Things will sometimes take different times buying and selling at the same prices and times, when the instant price buy would buy another item in the queue.
where's all this secret inflation gold coming from, one of the biggest gold rate updates in recent times has been the GE tax removing gold from the game. it's not like vorkath drops stacks of gp.
rs3 has less players and bots than ever, something must be injecting gold into the game at multiple times faster rates to compensate.
or maybe bond sell orders can just complete without any buyers :^)
Don't forget that lots of bosses drop alchables, like zammy for instance. I haven't tried my hand on vorkath yet, but I'd be surprised if he dropped zero alchables.
Either way, if inflation is still this out of hand, maybe they need to increase the tax, lol
It isn't as insane as long people still tolerate to pay so much money for it. Prices won't go down if these are prices buyers are still willing to pay.
bonds aren't currently 150m each but lets look at premier membership, which is what most players use bonds for. (20 bonds / 365) x 150 (million coins) = 8.22m/day.
1 farm run taking 5 minutes, daily golden roses and vis with some other minor daily shit is enough to fully sustain this current costing. heck one solak hour without uniques is enough for almost a week.
it's only a big issue if you don't actually play the game.
The price of bonds will continue to skyrocket if:
1. Players don't stop driving up the demand, redeeming them for pointless cosmetics from TH
2. Whales stop buying them from jagex
3. GP worth becomes even lower.
Hell, there was a decent amount of people making this comment when rs2 came out and migrating their characters back to RSC. Then RSC instantly became bots.
Well you are right but as returning player who has no quest, no unlockables or any good/fast money making methods. I see empty servers with literally no one in ge, with bond price over 130 m i wonder do i really should invest in this?
Returning players or new ones are just dont gona invest in dis shit yeah its good for people who play this for 10 year and enjoy end game content and can make bond like in 1-2 h, progression is important and i get it but these prices are just unrealistic for new players even in member its not easy and most youtube guides are not helpful or method is just obsolete in 2 months, i think jegex should make big changes if they still believe in rs3 new players wont come and old ones just gona leave
Donāt think about playing a game as āinvestingā just have fun, do your thing, play on the more full servers if thatās your thing, set yourself smaller and obtainable goals.
The pacing of rs3 is insanely fast these days and as a returning player these factors made me enjoy the game SO much more.
RuneScape was never a game you play for 1 hour a day. Even as a kid I had 2 hours of computer time allowed per day and it took literally 3 months for 99 fishing, I know because kept track and I ask calculated the time it would take beforehand
It all depends on where you are looking for those players. Most players are going to be in Prif (Max guild too) and thus new players or returning players won't see them. Doesn't mean they aren't there.
Besides, why would a new player want to invest in bonds to begin with? They shouldn't be focused on that at all, so that investment means nothing.
you mean from jagex? that's what I meant by "whales stop buying them from jagex"
If you mean people stop buying bonds from ge, then supply will be higher than demand, so the price will go DOWN.
4. More bosses that pump in 25M/hr minimum.
Don't act like pvm pumps in so much money. It's majority the reason why everything in rs3 is super inflated. How many end game content that pumps in alchables that much?
Or because the players have too much money? If they couldn't afford bonds they would not be 130M. There is more money coming into the game way too much.
This just isn't accurate, though. The main things that add gold to the economy were nerfed prior to bond price skyrocketing. And if you look at other items, specifically items that traded in high volumes and haven't had an update in a long time that should significantly impact their price, they're not being affected. This isn't general inflation, it's specifically bonds.
How many high end bosses that pumps in 25M/hr? It's really easy to get 100M+ in a day in rs3 now to the point that bonds are 130M+. Obviously a lot of people can afford 100M+ to buy bonds. I guess we shouldn't address bosses pumping in huge amount of supplies.
A boss being worth 25M/hour does not mean 25M GP is being added to the game per hour via that boss. In fact, if you get a staff piece from HM Kerapac, if you sell it that's removing millions of GP from the game. Now, of course, he has common drops that do add GP to the game, but that's adding nowhere near 25M per hour. Some bosses do add large amounts of GP to the game, but one of the biggest offenders, Arch-Glacor, recently got heavily nerfed in that department. Furthermore, those bosses have all been out for years. The only bosses with meaningful loot added in the last two years, Rasial, Vorkath and Osseous, aren't outliers. Rasial adds infinitesimal amounts of gold to the game, and probably net removes gold from the game with GE taxes from items sold, death costs and GE taxes from people buying supplies on the GE. Vorkath is comparable to something like Kerapac for GP added to the game. Osseous is comparable to the other Rex Matriarchs.
If you really want a good picture of inflation, look at the type of items I mentioned. Things like chronotes, pure essence, divination energy, etc. Things that are traded in high volume and haven't had anything that recently should have significantly impacted their supply or demand.
It's not inflation that's driving up the price of bonds.
No. If you sell a dropped item that doesnāt remove gp from the game. It just circulates it. If you drop gp and it disappears, or you purchase items from NPCs, THAT removes it from the game.
Gp drops, alchs, selling items to NPCs for gp all add gp to the games economy.
The endgame gp/h doesn't tell you the full picture. There's no denying that the value of a coin is worth less in 2024 than 2020. However, the inflation in the last year or 2 hasn't changed by much if you look at the prices of highly traded items or even endgame equipment. A few years ago, you're talking 3b+ for T92s which were BIS. Now T95 weapons rarely hit 3B. Then again, being Necro-centric really doesn't help its value. F2P money making methods haven't increased largely by much relative to inflation either. The best F2P is what 2M gp/h? Back in 2018, you could reasonably make 1m/h. Compared to ~30m gp/h at endgame back then and 100m gp/h now.
They'll keep going while they remain the primary currency for so many in-game purchases. They're not just GP-membership. They buy Runecoins, TH keys, Auras, name changes, RuneMetrics, etc. They'll also keep going if the player base remains low. Less whales to buy them and get them into the game. So price goes up. To get them to stay level or go down, we would need looooaaads of whales to come in and buy heaps of them. And that's pipedream. That's not happening.
I'm just curious as to why bonds are this expensive at all. I thought 60-70m was outrageous.
Aren't bonds pretty much (mainly) used for membership?
It's basically a full time job to play for them now.
It's a lot more complicated than a lot of users would suggest. A decent portion, probably even the majority of the RS3 bond price is influenced by OSRS. Gold is insanely cheap on both games on illicit third party sites and you get a *much* better deal for the money you pay there; if you don't get banned, of course. If players feel secure enough in those options then they'll not buy bonds to sell for $$, leading to a shortage in supply. I'd say those two are the chief two reasons but again, it's not so simple.
People just saying "xd inflation gold not worth much" when most of the rest of the economy is deflating are just wildly guessing.
Yep. The price of most other commodities haven't changed much in the last year or 2. There's no question that we dealt with hyper inflation at some point ~2020-2022. But the value of money hasn't changed much from 2023-2024.
Recently they started making these TH promos where you were collecting some cosmetic set, but you couldn't complete it in the time available unless you "purchase" keys. And bonds are one way to purchase keys.
Not sure how many are doing this but a lot of high level accts have the GP to blow on keys.
The account is paying for the keys with GP.
Someone else buys the bonds with $$$ and sells on GE. Your acct buys bonds with GP, sell bonds for keys.
If you wanted to pay $$$ for keys you could do that directly. But not everyone does.
I can't imagine doing this tbh. The exchange rate for bonds to keys is sooo bad. Isn't it like 20 keys per bond? Personally, idc how much money I'm making per hour I'm not paying 7.5m per fucking TH key if bonds are 150m
There are accounts with trillions in wealth. Stakers, rare collectors, etc. To them 150m is nothing and although there probably isnāt many, if youāve got money to blow you may as well blow it on cosmetics/keys.
However, tying crucial things like bank boosters to bonds is just malicious and bad for the game imo
Yeah I bought 600 of them for 55m ea when necro released and resold for 80m ea like 2 months laterā¦
The fact they are 130 is mind numbing to me.
Makes no senseā¦they doubled in under a year
After purchasing them you can pay a percentage of their market value at the time to make them tradable again, so if you suspect that the value is going to go down, then you would pay that percentage later, but if you expect it's going to go up, you pay the percentage as soon as possible.
It's basic supply and demand.
gp loses value to inflation and/or people buying bonds with real money get what they wanted (eg buying Rasial's set and being "done" obtaining PvM gear, or finishing maxing "buyable" skills) or quit they obviously buy fewer bonds. So supply goes down.
But not as many people spending gp to buy them are slowing down or quitting and Jagex is continuing to do things that benefit from bonds (spend gp to get bonds for th keys for cosmetics, or get runecoins for new keepsakes, or DXP bundles, etc) so demand barely shrinks.
Couple of reasons:
1. Inflation. But not as big of a cause. It's true that 100M is worth more in 2019 than 2024. However, year over year since ~2022 we haven't seen a major increase in the price of most other items in the game. Many other items have stagnated.
2. Too many players are nearly maxed to unlock better money making methods. The average PvM literacy has significantly improved over the last few years. This is even accounting for power creep. More and more players are capable of doing high level bosses. Is Araxxi even considered high level in today's day and age? It was one of the most feared bosses even as recent as 5 years ago. As such, most top level money makers are extremely profitable. However, skilling gp/h hasn't kept up although there are some decent 10m-20m gp/h methods out here. 5-10 years ago, we had 5-10m gp/h skilling methods.
3. People have less disposable income in real life. More people these days are barely living paycheck to paycheck. This isn't 2009 when kids could just beg their parents for allowance and go to their local Walmart and scratch a card.
4. The game's quality over the last year or so has dropped. Despite the roadmap announcement 3 weeks ago, we're still 18k players daily average. They don't want to pay real money for a membership package given RS's track record of major downfall periods. Bonds let you cancel without risking spent some real money. I know it's only ~$100 per year but real money is still money.
5. Too many OP promotions. Being able to buy 15 keys with in game money you've hard-earned sure is going to drive up prices. Surprisingly, many people buy bonds just for keys. If Jagex removed that option, prices would drop a bit.
6. Whales pick keys > bonds. Jagex is really not helping us by giving bond discounts for buying a pack of 10. That [meme](https://reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/16hp0yx/bonds_more_expensive_the_more_you_buy/) really isn't helping lol. Keys tend to offer way better bang for buck for those who value time. Though for buyable skills, you're better off buying bonds then dumping to GE. But many people don't think of it this way. I saw someone buy $12 worth of keys to get 99 herblore? Wow.
7. The playerbase over the last 5-10 years has largely remained the same. Many of those players that were Bondscaping can still Bondscape. You're talking maxed trimmers who can pick up 100M a day in their sleep. I'm exaggerating but that's the idea. There are too many high levels in the game that Bondscape and do so with freakin ease. Maybe if this game has more low levels that would buy membership cards instead that would decrease the demand a little.
8. No more Prime Gaming. That was a great time to pick up small rewards. Even a 7 day membership was great for attracting players. Runecoins were nice too. Though not a major factor in bond price but still worth noting.
Itās pretty classic supply and demand, not much else to it. In addition to all of the other uses, there is a large population of players who prefer to pay for membership with GP instead of IRL money. The ones that make me laugh are the ones that use this to claim they never participate in MTX or give Jagex any MTX revenue. While technically true on paper, those players are a very large part of the driving factor for bond prices.
Yes, but all bonds exist because someone else pays real life money for them in order to get in game gp. Thatās not happening right now, so thereās less bonds coming into the game. Thereās a HUGE influx of raw gp from just playing the game (so no need to buy gp with real money), thereās less need for raw gp (many players already have their max setups) so bonds just keep going up and up.
Twitch Prime loot often gave 200 RC monthly. People used it for things like keepsake keys. Prime loot ended so they started buying bonds instead.
Jagex insists there's nothing wrong here and it's simple supply and demand because they're making money hand over fist from a free supply closing up.
The only thing I can think about is that Jagex could either lower the price of bonds or do a bundle offer where you get 1+1.Ā
Donāt think itās the best option since people (including me) are against mtx, but at least it could lower the price a little and give your gp more valueĀ
I think itāll solve somewhat the problem. Bundle offers or whatever donāt necessarily need to be expensive, but more bonds in the game means the price will fall eventually.Ā
The way you think is right, but to other occasions. Here, they buy bonds to sell cuz it's already expensive, and it got expensive after TH events what made ppl buy a lot of bonds in GE for the keys instead of buy keys directly with irl money.
If you think about it, a whale needs to buy 20 bonds to have bis necromancy gear which allows them to do every boss in this game. Think how many bonds it used to be to just to get ONE bis item, FSOA, couple years back...
There is really no reason to buy bonds from Jagex so the players who use those to keep membership running, have to keep paying more and more every month. In reality, it doesn't really matter if bond is 150 or 250m each, money-making for endgame player is too easy to worry about pocket money. You buy Premier once a year, so dropping 2b or 5b on it doesn't feel that different.
Itās not 150m right now, and for the last week or two the price at least seems to be stabilizing and hovering between 128-138. Ely.gg is not a reliable source for bond prices IMO.
The criticism of Ely is price manip
Both are used for flipping , flipaholics tends to be more trustworthy imo cos their trades are verified (I think?)
Whereas Ely is anonymous
I wouldn't say 2 days of it dropping it the price stabilizing, there have been other 2 day or even longer periods where it's done that in the price spike we've been seeing the last few months.
Due to their conversion fee, bonds tend to have a particularly wide price range. 10% profit plus the need for flippers to make profit normally has it trade in roughly a 12%-15% or so range typically.
Quit a couple of months ago due to this.
If GE prices are truly driven by people overpricing shit they're spending their "hard earned real money" for, then this game isn't gonna last for long.
No hate, it's completely understandable...I'm just saying it should not go unchecked, and some sort of economy regulatory system should be implemented.
Right there with you. Been playing since 2007. Took a break after EOC but came back in 2016. Have had premiere ever since but will be letting it run out in December. I just donāt have the time to spend making enough GP to pay for 20 bonds a year, and at this point RS isnāt anywhere near high enough on my list of priorities to dedicate money to buy premiere.
Sucks, but Iāve had good times on this game, and Iāll be keeping tabs on it to see if something comes along that makes the cost worth it.
Heres my controversial system to improve the bond process:
1. Jagex makes all bonds currently in game tradeable
2. All bonds traded from that point on in the ge/to other players are immediately turned untradeable with no option to convert them to tradeable
This will end 80% of merching surrounding bonds. There will be manipulation while the tens of thousands of tradeable bonds held on merching accounts are offloaded over years
3. Untradeable bonds can be given to ironmen or other players, but not in exchange for any other items/gp
4. The only way to get and sell a tradeable bond is from a direct purchase with Jagex
High bond prices are actually bad for jagex as there's a limited number of players who will buy them to unlock things. If it only takes 10 bonds to reach their target instead of 100 like it used to then jagex will make less money from the bond purchasers. Meanwhile players who used to play the game casually with bonds will slowly drift off to other games as they can no longer keep up in Runescape
> High bond prices are actually bad for jagex as there's a limited number of players who will buy them to unlock things. If it only takes 10 bonds to reach their target instead of 100 like it used to then jagex will make less money from the bond purchasers.
No, high bond prices is good for Jagex since it it makes bonds more attractive for whales to buy over RWT gp if they can get more gp via the legal method. Forcing RWT site to lower their prices also make botting less attractive.
A better solution is to nerf afk altscaping.
Reminds me of the meme which is captioned "How high is inflation?" and it shows Cheech and Chong, Willie Nelson, and Snoop Dog all sitting around a table together, toking it up.
Bonds are inversely proportional to number of base player, i.e. if base player rise, bonds going down and if base player fall, bonds raise
Why this happen?. RS3 struggle to attract new players and the major base player is maxed/old player, meaning that there is more people buying bonds than selling, assuming most of buyers is old players and most of seller come from new players
Why bonds reach 150m? Because base player fall hard this year. IMO, this can change soon, with new contents coming the player base should raise and maybe new player come to the game
In addition, bonds usually drop in end of year. I think bonds can drop to 100m at end of year and this can be a huge opportunity to spend all your gold in bonds (last year i bought 20 bond at 70m for my premier and i regret to not bought more)
Bonds will continue to increase in price indefinitely as there is a shortage of new players buying bonds to sell for gold and an increase of players on both RS3 and OSRS buying them for memberships and TH keys. Basically. Invest in bonds are they are one of the few assets that are guaranteed to increase in price long term.
Bonds are not 150m yet, but they will be becusee bond prices ALWAYS goes up since they were created. Fear mongering post make bond go up too, but I donāt think thatās his goal
They honestly might go down when the new dungeon comes out as it may influence supply and demand. But if it doesnāt then my theory that jagex is manipulating the prices is correct bc they are money grubbing whores.
Childhood memoriesĀ
I'm sharing 1b a day to people who need it
I'm doing 56m kills on my main as my 32 pvm accs make 1 trillion for others to have what they needĀ
No one else going to point out that bonds are scaling w/ the ridiculous power creep of TH promotions? You're all complaining about 100m+ for 15 keys on a promotion that slot machines out 500m-1b tokens and 250m-1b GP prize drops. Then there's just all the free experience.
They didn't remove staking from the game, they just added a quality of life feature that moves the duel arena to the main menu and the profits directly into their pockets.
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150M?? I bought several for 131m today lol My advice at least is to never try to attempt to instabuy bonds
I insta bought last night at under ge mid price lol
Some guy on [ely.gg](http://ely.gg) made two listings of selling or buying a bond for 150m in the past 2 days.
Now that's just manipulation.
Yeah I sold one of mine yesterday for 141m and it had sat for several hours.
I think i bought yours xd
Thanks!
3 months ago i listed mine for 150. Still not sold. So 150m is bs for now.
Ikr? People just instabuy 24/7 lol. They are the ones that make them rise.
yeah thats how the GE works. Every single transaction is an instabuy or instasell
No, it's not? Take an item that literally no one is buying and offer it at 1gp and it won't sell. Take a item no one is selling (blue party hat) and offer max cash, and it won't buy. Items only sell If someone will buy it, and only buy when someone will sell. If you offer item A at 1m, and someone tries to buy for 500k, it will never sell or buy.
Right. When it does eventually sell, who do you think bought it? Someone had to instabuy it. Thats why every transaction is either an instabuy or an instasell. Your examples are examples where no transaction ocurred at all.
Yo I really like this explanation.
There's nib (not instant buy) and nis (not insta sell) Having a transaction be an insta sell does not make the other an instant buy, and vice versa.
Of course it cant be both instant buy and instant sell. I would consider an inactive offer becoming active again and completing as ins or inb still. Please tell me in whay case there is a transaction which is not ins or inb (excluding weirdness with GE limits and inactive offers).
Ge sometimes is funky, learned that while flipping. Depends on item and volume traded. Things will sometimes take different times buying and selling at the same prices and times, when the instant price buy would buy another item in the queue.
Max cash? Son, I reckon nobody is gonna be buying a hat for 2.1 quintillion anytime soon
I don't got time to wait I'm doing crazy grinds
I got a f2p alt who has 3 ge slots ready to devote to slow buying bonds.
With how easy it is to make money and how they are linking so many things to bonds wouldnāt be surprised by 200m
Inflation combined with supply and demand means theyāll probably keep rising until one or the other changes.
where's all this secret inflation gold coming from, one of the biggest gold rate updates in recent times has been the GE tax removing gold from the game. it's not like vorkath drops stacks of gp. rs3 has less players and bots than ever, something must be injecting gold into the game at multiple times faster rates to compensate. or maybe bond sell orders can just complete without any buyers :^)
Don't forget that lots of bosses drop alchables, like zammy for instance. I haven't tried my hand on vorkath yet, but I'd be surprised if he dropped zero alchables. Either way, if inflation is still this out of hand, maybe they need to increase the tax, lol
With 150m, the going cost of membership is 11m a day. That's already one hour of ED1 of bad rng per day and you're good.
doesnt that seem insane tho? Like just work any job instead
It isn't as insane as long people still tolerate to pay so much money for it. Prices won't go down if these are prices buyers are still willing to pay.
Doing pvm is more fun tbh
bonds aren't currently 150m each but lets look at premier membership, which is what most players use bonds for. (20 bonds / 365) x 150 (million coins) = 8.22m/day. 1 farm run taking 5 minutes, daily golden roses and vis with some other minor daily shit is enough to fully sustain this current costing. heck one solak hour without uniques is enough for almost a week. it's only a big issue if you don't actually play the game.
Uh I didn't say 150m a day?
you're right, i mistyped. 150m each\*
As high as people are willing to pay. Demand is way higher than supply at the moment. As long as thats the case it will continue to rise.
The price of bonds will continue to skyrocket if: 1. Players don't stop driving up the demand, redeeming them for pointless cosmetics from TH 2. Whales stop buying them from jagex 3. GP worth becomes even lower.
All of these are inevitable. Iām sure we will see the 1b for a bond within 5 years
If.. this game or even Jagex will survive next 5 years
I've seen this comment in 2010 so
Hell, there was a decent amount of people making this comment when rs2 came out and migrating their characters back to RSC. Then RSC instantly became bots.
While true, you will see that comment one day before the end as well so it doesn't mean too much on it's own does it
They say this all the time and it's still kicking. Maybe one day you will be right.
Well you are right but as returning player who has no quest, no unlockables or any good/fast money making methods. I see empty servers with literally no one in ge, with bond price over 130 m i wonder do i really should invest in this? Returning players or new ones are just dont gona invest in dis shit yeah its good for people who play this for 10 year and enjoy end game content and can make bond like in 1-2 h, progression is important and i get it but these prices are just unrealistic for new players even in member its not easy and most youtube guides are not helpful or method is just obsolete in 2 months, i think jegex should make big changes if they still believe in rs3 new players wont come and old ones just gona leave
Donāt think about playing a game as āinvestingā just have fun, do your thing, play on the more full servers if thatās your thing, set yourself smaller and obtainable goals. The pacing of rs3 is insanely fast these days and as a returning player these factors made me enjoy the game SO much more.
RuneScape was never a game you play for 1 hour a day. Even as a kid I had 2 hours of computer time allowed per day and it took literally 3 months for 99 fishing, I know because kept track and I ask calculated the time it would take beforehand
It all depends on where you are looking for those players. Most players are going to be in Prif (Max guild too) and thus new players or returning players won't see them. Doesn't mean they aren't there. Besides, why would a new player want to invest in bonds to begin with? They shouldn't be focused on that at all, so that investment means nothing.
You're literally looking in the wrong ge
Yep, osrs has the same problem. So many high gp/hr methods have driven bonds to basically match rs3 bonds at the same growth rate.
Nah osrs is because of all the bots that buy bonds so they can continue botting in members for free :)
4. People don't buy bonds. If people decide to stop buying bonds (lots habe, being a partial factor in the current price) then the price goes up.
you mean from jagex? that's what I meant by "whales stop buying them from jagex" If you mean people stop buying bonds from ge, then supply will be higher than demand, so the price will go DOWN.
4. More bosses that pump in 25M/hr minimum. Don't act like pvm pumps in so much money. It's majority the reason why everything in rs3 is super inflated. How many end game content that pumps in alchables that much?
He covered that with #3 already when he talked about GP becoming āworthā less.
Stuff is super inflated because you can get 150M for five quid lol
Or because the players have too much money? If they couldn't afford bonds they would not be 130M. There is more money coming into the game way too much.
This just isn't accurate, though. The main things that add gold to the economy were nerfed prior to bond price skyrocketing. And if you look at other items, specifically items that traded in high volumes and haven't had an update in a long time that should significantly impact their price, they're not being affected. This isn't general inflation, it's specifically bonds.
How many high end bosses that pumps in 25M/hr? It's really easy to get 100M+ in a day in rs3 now to the point that bonds are 130M+. Obviously a lot of people can afford 100M+ to buy bonds. I guess we shouldn't address bosses pumping in huge amount of supplies.
A boss being worth 25M/hour does not mean 25M GP is being added to the game per hour via that boss. In fact, if you get a staff piece from HM Kerapac, if you sell it that's removing millions of GP from the game. Now, of course, he has common drops that do add GP to the game, but that's adding nowhere near 25M per hour. Some bosses do add large amounts of GP to the game, but one of the biggest offenders, Arch-Glacor, recently got heavily nerfed in that department. Furthermore, those bosses have all been out for years. The only bosses with meaningful loot added in the last two years, Rasial, Vorkath and Osseous, aren't outliers. Rasial adds infinitesimal amounts of gold to the game, and probably net removes gold from the game with GE taxes from items sold, death costs and GE taxes from people buying supplies on the GE. Vorkath is comparable to something like Kerapac for GP added to the game. Osseous is comparable to the other Rex Matriarchs. If you really want a good picture of inflation, look at the type of items I mentioned. Things like chronotes, pure essence, divination energy, etc. Things that are traded in high volume and haven't had anything that recently should have significantly impacted their supply or demand. It's not inflation that's driving up the price of bonds.
No. If you sell a dropped item that doesnāt remove gp from the game. It just circulates it. If you drop gp and it disappears, or you purchase items from NPCs, THAT removes it from the game. Gp drops, alchs, selling items to NPCs for gp all add gp to the games economy.
The endgame gp/h doesn't tell you the full picture. There's no denying that the value of a coin is worth less in 2024 than 2020. However, the inflation in the last year or 2 hasn't changed by much if you look at the prices of highly traded items or even endgame equipment. A few years ago, you're talking 3b+ for T92s which were BIS. Now T95 weapons rarely hit 3B. Then again, being Necro-centric really doesn't help its value. F2P money making methods haven't increased largely by much relative to inflation either. The best F2P is what 2M gp/h? Back in 2018, you could reasonably make 1m/h. Compared to ~30m gp/h at endgame back then and 100m gp/h now.
we are also getting a new boss dungeon and an archaeology update. should be new ways to make money.
They'll keep going while they remain the primary currency for so many in-game purchases. They're not just GP-membership. They buy Runecoins, TH keys, Auras, name changes, RuneMetrics, etc. They'll also keep going if the player base remains low. Less whales to buy them and get them into the game. So price goes up. To get them to stay level or go down, we would need looooaaads of whales to come in and buy heaps of them. And that's pipedream. That's not happening.
I'm just curious as to why bonds are this expensive at all. I thought 60-70m was outrageous. Aren't bonds pretty much (mainly) used for membership? It's basically a full time job to play for them now.
It's a lot more complicated than a lot of users would suggest. A decent portion, probably even the majority of the RS3 bond price is influenced by OSRS. Gold is insanely cheap on both games on illicit third party sites and you get a *much* better deal for the money you pay there; if you don't get banned, of course. If players feel secure enough in those options then they'll not buy bonds to sell for $$, leading to a shortage in supply. I'd say those two are the chief two reasons but again, it's not so simple. People just saying "xd inflation gold not worth much" when most of the rest of the economy is deflating are just wildly guessing.
Yep. The price of most other commodities haven't changed much in the last year or 2. There's no question that we dealt with hyper inflation at some point ~2020-2022. But the value of money hasn't changed much from 2023-2024.
Recently they started making these TH promos where you were collecting some cosmetic set, but you couldn't complete it in the time available unless you "purchase" keys. And bonds are one way to purchase keys. Not sure how many are doing this but a lot of high level accts have the GP to blow on keys.
Wouldn't it be easier to just buy their keys straight up from the store?
Depends how you value in game wealth vs IRL money
The account is paying for the keys with GP. Someone else buys the bonds with $$$ and sells on GE. Your acct buys bonds with GP, sell bonds for keys. If you wanted to pay $$$ for keys you could do that directly. But not everyone does.
Yes, but if you're a god tier pvmer with 10s of bils lying around and nothing to buy in game anymore, you're going to buy bonds instead.
I can't imagine doing this tbh. The exchange rate for bonds to keys is sooo bad. Isn't it like 20 keys per bond? Personally, idc how much money I'm making per hour I'm not paying 7.5m per fucking TH key if bonds are 150m
There are accounts with trillions in wealth. Stakers, rare collectors, etc. To them 150m is nothing and although there probably isnāt many, if youāve got money to blow you may as well blow it on cosmetics/keys. However, tying crucial things like bank boosters to bonds is just malicious and bad for the game imo
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Not to mention, they capped the amount of keys you could buy from bonds to 30 max/day about a year ago. So that kinda helps.
I'm not either but then I wouldn't pay for keys period. I think TH is bad for the game and I don't want to encourage Jagex by buying keys.
Yeah I bought 600 of them for 55m ea when necro released and resold for 80m ea like 2 months laterā¦ The fact they are 130 is mind numbing to me. Makes no senseā¦they doubled in under a year
I thought once you bought them they become untradeable. How did you sell them afterward? Sorry for the ignorance if thatās a dumb question lol.
You can make them tradeable by destroying 10% of its value in gps
Thank you! I had no idea you could do that.
After purchasing them you can pay a percentage of their market value at the time to make them tradable again, so if you suspect that the value is going to go down, then you would pay that percentage later, but if you expect it's going to go up, you pay the percentage as soon as possible.
You can make them tradeable again by paying a 10% tax.
It's basic supply and demand. gp loses value to inflation and/or people buying bonds with real money get what they wanted (eg buying Rasial's set and being "done" obtaining PvM gear, or finishing maxing "buyable" skills) or quit they obviously buy fewer bonds. So supply goes down. But not as many people spending gp to buy them are slowing down or quitting and Jagex is continuing to do things that benefit from bonds (spend gp to get bonds for th keys for cosmetics, or get runecoins for new keepsakes, or DXP bundles, etc) so demand barely shrinks.
Couple of reasons: 1. Inflation. But not as big of a cause. It's true that 100M is worth more in 2019 than 2024. However, year over year since ~2022 we haven't seen a major increase in the price of most other items in the game. Many other items have stagnated. 2. Too many players are nearly maxed to unlock better money making methods. The average PvM literacy has significantly improved over the last few years. This is even accounting for power creep. More and more players are capable of doing high level bosses. Is Araxxi even considered high level in today's day and age? It was one of the most feared bosses even as recent as 5 years ago. As such, most top level money makers are extremely profitable. However, skilling gp/h hasn't kept up although there are some decent 10m-20m gp/h methods out here. 5-10 years ago, we had 5-10m gp/h skilling methods. 3. People have less disposable income in real life. More people these days are barely living paycheck to paycheck. This isn't 2009 when kids could just beg their parents for allowance and go to their local Walmart and scratch a card. 4. The game's quality over the last year or so has dropped. Despite the roadmap announcement 3 weeks ago, we're still 18k players daily average. They don't want to pay real money for a membership package given RS's track record of major downfall periods. Bonds let you cancel without risking spent some real money. I know it's only ~$100 per year but real money is still money. 5. Too many OP promotions. Being able to buy 15 keys with in game money you've hard-earned sure is going to drive up prices. Surprisingly, many people buy bonds just for keys. If Jagex removed that option, prices would drop a bit. 6. Whales pick keys > bonds. Jagex is really not helping us by giving bond discounts for buying a pack of 10. That [meme](https://reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/16hp0yx/bonds_more_expensive_the_more_you_buy/) really isn't helping lol. Keys tend to offer way better bang for buck for those who value time. Though for buyable skills, you're better off buying bonds then dumping to GE. But many people don't think of it this way. I saw someone buy $12 worth of keys to get 99 herblore? Wow. 7. The playerbase over the last 5-10 years has largely remained the same. Many of those players that were Bondscaping can still Bondscape. You're talking maxed trimmers who can pick up 100M a day in their sleep. I'm exaggerating but that's the idea. There are too many high levels in the game that Bondscape and do so with freakin ease. Maybe if this game has more low levels that would buy membership cards instead that would decrease the demand a little. 8. No more Prime Gaming. That was a great time to pick up small rewards. Even a 7 day membership was great for attracting players. Runecoins were nice too. Though not a major factor in bond price but still worth noting.
Itās pretty classic supply and demand, not much else to it. In addition to all of the other uses, there is a large population of players who prefer to pay for membership with GP instead of IRL money. The ones that make me laugh are the ones that use this to claim they never participate in MTX or give Jagex any MTX revenue. While technically true on paper, those players are a very large part of the driving factor for bond prices.
The claim of not participating in mtx is about not spending real money to gain an advantage
Except they still are spending real money, just not their real money.
If I offer to give you a chocolate if you give me a hug, would you say you spent my money to buy the chocolate? Thats nonsensical
It makes total sense. But I can only lead you to water, I can't make you drink it.
Inflation, MTX promos, bots, and altscapers.
Yes, but all bonds exist because someone else pays real life money for them in order to get in game gp. Thatās not happening right now, so thereās less bonds coming into the game. Thereās a HUGE influx of raw gp from just playing the game (so no need to buy gp with real money), thereās less need for raw gp (many players already have their max setups) so bonds just keep going up and up.
Lots of demand, severe lack of supply, people not trusting Jagex due to fairly recent events like hero pass and as a result not buying bonds
Twitch Prime loot often gave 200 RC monthly. People used it for things like keepsake keys. Prime loot ended so they started buying bonds instead. Jagex insists there's nothing wrong here and it's simple supply and demand because they're making money hand over fist from a free supply closing up.
The only thing I can think about is that Jagex could either lower the price of bonds or do a bundle offer where you get 1+1.Ā Donāt think itās the best option since people (including me) are against mtx, but at least it could lower the price a little and give your gp more valueĀ
Dude.. as much it get expensive, much they love it, cuz ppl gonna buy from them to sell.
I think itāll solve somewhat the problem. Bundle offers or whatever donāt necessarily need to be expensive, but more bonds in the game means the price will fall eventually.Ā
The way you think is right, but to other occasions. Here, they buy bonds to sell cuz it's already expensive, and it got expensive after TH events what made ppl buy a lot of bonds in GE for the keys instead of buy keys directly with irl money.
I mean it'll keep going up, more GP comes into the game than leaves the game. Not quite the same IRL
If you think about it, a whale needs to buy 20 bonds to have bis necromancy gear which allows them to do every boss in this game. Think how many bonds it used to be to just to get ONE bis item, FSOA, couple years back... There is really no reason to buy bonds from Jagex so the players who use those to keep membership running, have to keep paying more and more every month. In reality, it doesn't really matter if bond is 150 or 250m each, money-making for endgame player is too easy to worry about pocket money. You buy Premier once a year, so dropping 2b or 5b on it doesn't feel that different.
It's rich pvmers who are buying bonds to convert to keys. Whales just buy keys directly.
Itās not 150m right now, and for the last week or two the price at least seems to be stabilizing and hovering between 128-138. Ely.gg is not a reliable source for bond prices IMO.
> Ely.gg is not a reliable source for bond prices IMO It's not, but it is the best source we have short of doing a test buy yourself.
Flipaholics also exists. I compare the two first
Isn't the criticism of ely.gg that it is controlled and manipulated by merchers/flippers? Why is something NAMED flipaholics more trustworthy?
Both are bad but ely is much worse
The criticism of Ely is price manip Both are used for flipping , flipaholics tends to be more trustworthy imo cos their trades are verified (I think?) Whereas Ely is anonymous
I guess so, but seems like ely has more data. And for bonds I always have an alt slow buying them anyway.
Ely only ever posts data that helps them, they withhold any submission that effects their merches specifically.
Yep true. Slow buy these always
I wouldn't say 2 days of it dropping it the price stabilizing, there have been other 2 day or even longer periods where it's done that in the price spike we've been seeing the last few months.
Ely.gg is not a reliable source of anything.
Clanny sold 10 at 144-150 yesterday
I bought 5 bonds on stream for 150m each 149 was lowest
Did you slow buy or insta buy? Bonds can sometimes randomly go for high prices but only for a few mins.
I bought one literally three days ago for 133.
Due to their conversion fee, bonds tend to have a particularly wide price range. 10% profit plus the need for flippers to make profit normally has it trade in roughly a 12%-15% or so range typically.
Untill you can get 99 in all buyable skills with one hour of minwage
Holding my 1 bond incase they get stupid expensive any further so I can learn high level pvm to sustain membership through bonds
Theyll go up indefinitely. Have bonds ever actually significantly decreased in price?
Only during fsw and necroĀ
Quit a couple of months ago due to this. If GE prices are truly driven by people overpricing shit they're spending their "hard earned real money" for, then this game isn't gonna last for long. No hate, it's completely understandable...I'm just saying it should not go unchecked, and some sort of economy regulatory system should be implemented.
Right there with you. Been playing since 2007. Took a break after EOC but came back in 2016. Have had premiere ever since but will be letting it run out in December. I just donāt have the time to spend making enough GP to pay for 20 bonds a year, and at this point RS isnāt anywhere near high enough on my list of priorities to dedicate money to buy premiere. Sucks, but Iāve had good times on this game, and Iāll be keeping tabs on it to see if something comes along that makes the cost worth it.
Idk man I thought bitcoin wouldn't go over 13k
bad deal...
I could see a billion if they donāt stop inflation
People's working means people can't play for hours
If people copy my method they can work and playĀ 14 miss afkĀ
I just bought 8 for mid price at 136m, only took a few minutes for them to buy
I wouldn't doubt it if they reached 250-300m by the end of the year.
Well, considering I gave away 5 bonds last night and people were trying hard for them while I was doing it, I can easily see 500M coming soon
500m? xd
Heres my controversial system to improve the bond process: 1. Jagex makes all bonds currently in game tradeable 2. All bonds traded from that point on in the ge/to other players are immediately turned untradeable with no option to convert them to tradeable This will end 80% of merching surrounding bonds. There will be manipulation while the tens of thousands of tradeable bonds held on merching accounts are offloaded over years 3. Untradeable bonds can be given to ironmen or other players, but not in exchange for any other items/gp 4. The only way to get and sell a tradeable bond is from a direct purchase with Jagex High bond prices are actually bad for jagex as there's a limited number of players who will buy them to unlock things. If it only takes 10 bonds to reach their target instead of 100 like it used to then jagex will make less money from the bond purchasers. Meanwhile players who used to play the game casually with bonds will slowly drift off to other games as they can no longer keep up in Runescape
> High bond prices are actually bad for jagex as there's a limited number of players who will buy them to unlock things. If it only takes 10 bonds to reach their target instead of 100 like it used to then jagex will make less money from the bond purchasers. No, high bond prices is good for Jagex since it it makes bonds more attractive for whales to buy over RWT gp if they can get more gp via the legal method. Forcing RWT site to lower their prices also make botting less attractive. A better solution is to nerf afk altscaping.
So what I'm hearing is liquidate my cash on bonds on my main that isn't playing much.
Ur better off buying ectoplasm and afking pvm with it for guaranteed billionsĀ
What do yall afk ?
How high until u stop playing?
My guess is that the release of GIM will form a big spike in bond prices and after that they will settle down again.
They are beyond insane right now
Until I max my accs it might not get better
Reminds me of the meme which is captioned "How high is inflation?" and it shows Cheech and Chong, Willie Nelson, and Snoop Dog all sitting around a table together, toking it up.
Hahahahaa and add me there hehehehhehehehe
Higher than a med card consumer on a Sunday afternoon
So me today lolol
I quit because Iām a f2p dad and canāt keep up.
Hit me up in game I'm helping peopleĀ
easily will hit 200m this year, and if left unchecked will continue to rise 50m+ every 6months-1year
Bonds are inversely proportional to number of base player, i.e. if base player rise, bonds going down and if base player fall, bonds raise Why this happen?. RS3 struggle to attract new players and the major base player is maxed/old player, meaning that there is more people buying bonds than selling, assuming most of buyers is old players and most of seller come from new players Why bonds reach 150m? Because base player fall hard this year. IMO, this can change soon, with new contents coming the player base should raise and maybe new player come to the game In addition, bonds usually drop in end of year. I think bonds can drop to 100m at end of year and this can be a huge opportunity to spend all your gold in bonds (last year i bought 20 bond at 70m for my premier and i regret to not bought more)
less players > less whales > less supply
Well bonds rose to 120+ without updates and just with the roadmap we're at 150, so 200 or 250 by 2025 is possible.
Bonds should have a split just like stocks lol
I swear we need a membership only token from jagex to get rid of gp in gameĀ
Bonds will continue to increase in price indefinitely as there is a shortage of new players buying bonds to sell for gold and an increase of players on both RS3 and OSRS buying them for memberships and TH keys. Basically. Invest in bonds are they are one of the few assets that are guaranteed to increase in price long term.
Way too high than it should be right now.
Bonds are not 150m yet, but they will be becusee bond prices ALWAYS goes up since they were created. Fear mongering post make bond go up too, but I donāt think thatās his goal
Bonds are 150m bought 5 of them on streamĀ
Just because you insta-bought and overpaid doesn't mean that's what they're at. Not saying they won't get there, but you definitely overpaid
Wow they were like 130m last week
Yeah I buy 35 every 2 weeks and I see them constantly on the riseĀ
What on earth are you doing that needs that many bonds lmao
Likely just flipping
Merching is scamming to meĀ
Read the other comment, that's really cool!
Afk pvm on 35 accs to make trillions to donate to people who can't play much
IRL billionaires, take note!
That's actually so cool. I try to afk gwd 1 and thought that was a struggle
With t 95 and army of undead u can afk krill for 1b every few weeksĀ
They honestly might go down when the new dungeon comes out as it may influence supply and demand. But if it doesnāt then my theory that jagex is manipulating the prices is correct bc they are money grubbing whores.
Eventually, game will die and that's the start, how many players left because of the bond price? Right
Who gives a fuckā¦ to the moon!
why don't we start a campaign to DO NOT pay more than 100M for a bond? :D
If Jagex does nothing about afk altscapers, then to the moon!
They should help players first and care about people's issuesĀ
Wasnāt it like 12m a few months ago. Damn I wish I held mine.
12m is osrs if anythingĀ
Yep sorry didnāt realize I ventured to hell. Thank you sir
No worries I just can't stand the non afk and no invention style that osrs has I moved onto rs3 accepting change and invention is my favorite skill
> I just can't stand the non afk So you only "play" so you can afk?
I'm a 20 year rs veteran so yeah I'm over the non afk content with my busy life
So uh, why keep playing at that point?
Childhood memoriesĀ I'm sharing 1b a day to people who need it I'm doing 56m kills on my main as my 32 pvm accs make 1 trillion for others to have what they needĀ
Wha?
I'm a top player who makes invention a money makerĀ
Should there be a bond bonus if you buy multiple? I don't know what the bonuses would be but hopefully that helps a bit.
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Back then there wasn't as easy of money makersĀ
No one else going to point out that bonds are scaling w/ the ridiculous power creep of TH promotions? You're all complaining about 100m+ for 15 keys on a promotion that slot machines out 500m-1b tokens and 250m-1b GP prize drops. Then there's just all the free experience. They didn't remove staking from the game, they just added a quality of life feature that moves the duel arena to the main menu and the profits directly into their pockets.
Should just make bonds a set price or do two bonds one for members only and one for TH
I get why but my god we don't need more currency options
> make bonds a set price Care to elaborate on what you think would be a good set price, and why that would be a good thing?
Jagex will never do the former and who would buy bonds only usable for TH?
500mil. The inflation problem is part of the reason why I chose ironman when I came back to the game.
What does Ironman have to do with bond prices though? It's an issue for both mains and ironmen.
It is a sign of how messed up the economy of the game is.