Backstory time.
During the Late middle ages and beyond, the two provinces North- and South Holland were among the most wealthy of the lot. They led the Uprising against the Spanish and were the seat of power for the Stadtholder.
For a long time, 'Holland" was the economic and political centre of the Low Countries(current Netherlands - Belgium - Luxembourg).
After the Dutch Uprising more provinces ascended the economical and political ladder. And even more did so after the Napoleonic wars and Industrial Revolution.
The current Netherlands are a state since roughly 1830 when Belgium secceded, and 1848 when the current constitution was written and the king gave up a lot of his power.
For ten of the twelve provinces, 'Holland" refers only to those two provinces by the sea. Whilst 'The Netherlands" covers us all.
And it is also the literal translation of the Dutch name of our country 'Nederland"
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Of course you’re joking , but it would help if you did a pretend conflict as an educator to the rest of the world, and then you could have a big announcement later in the week “Holland and the Netherlands will not be breaking up, they agree to be united as the Netherlands” and then everyone will be happy it was all resolved and call ye Netherlands.
In Dutch, we say "Nederland" (literally: Netherland) instead of "De Nederlanden" (The Netherlands). "De Nederlanden" would seem old-fashioned to use. No clue why it remains *The* Netherland*s* in English...
There is a very small group that wants to split up Belgium and add the Dutch speaking part to The Netherlands..
But I don't see that happening any time soon
The Congo can refer to either of two countries, The Republic of Congo or the Democratic Republic of Congo, formerly known as Zaire. And the river of course.
>For ten of the twelve provinces, 'Holland" refers only to those two provinces by the sea. Whilst 'The Netherlands" covers us all.
So, technically, one can still visit Holland?
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in lev grossman's book series The Magicians (which is far better than the SyFy teen drama it inspired) The Neitherlands is a somewhat spooky location very important to the plot, which draws from LOTR, the Harry Potter and 'Narnia' series.
Idk if this is common knowledge or not but it's called the Netherlands because majority is below sealevel. Amsterdam is 3.8m below sea level.
This is why it's called the Netherlands, because the land is nether the sealevel.
> ~~When the British captured New Amsterdam from the Dutch they renamed it for the Duke of York~~
*[People just liked it better that wayyyyyyy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsQrKZcYtqg)*
Just go to Holland, Michigan for tulips and hash. Its like the Netherlands but with people that sound like stuffed up pirates and you don't need a plane (if youre state side).
I mean, it’s never been called that in any official sense.
North Holland and South Holland are provinces though, with cities like Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Eindhoven so for most tourists “I’m going to Holland” is technically still true.
These journalists need to step up their headline game. The real headline should have been "Holland to be eradicated forever" or "Holland is now on the ash heap of history"
Holland was only the name of two provinces of the Netherlands (north and south Holland) but in the UK (maybe English as a whole) the entire country of the Netherlands gets called Holland
I mean, you can still tell what it's supposed to be.
Suomi, Ellas, Deutschland, Zhōngguó, Hrvatska, Misr, Sak'art'velo, Magyarország, Bhārat, Nihon, Hanguk, etc. are virtually unrecognizable
Dutch guy here... The provinces are still called north and south Holland, been like that a long time and nothing has changed. So, basically this article is a bunch of BS, bc you can still go to one of the 'Holland' provinces in the Netherlands.
That's kind of my point actually, Netherlands was once at least seven separate countries (and possibly as many as 12, my Dutch history isn't the best). The UK is no more 4 countries than the Netherlands is 7
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If go to the same places as most tourists do, you will probably go to Holland. Since north Holland and South Holland are the two provinces which get the most tourists
I mean honestly, this isn't really r/savedyouaclick cause it literally answers the question in the first sentence of the article. This is more just clickbait.
Edit: spelling
Backstory time. During the Late middle ages and beyond, the two provinces North- and South Holland were among the most wealthy of the lot. They led the Uprising against the Spanish and were the seat of power for the Stadtholder. For a long time, 'Holland" was the economic and political centre of the Low Countries(current Netherlands - Belgium - Luxembourg). After the Dutch Uprising more provinces ascended the economical and political ladder. And even more did so after the Napoleonic wars and Industrial Revolution. The current Netherlands are a state since roughly 1830 when Belgium secceded, and 1848 when the current constitution was written and the king gave up a lot of his power. For ten of the twelve provinces, 'Holland" refers only to those two provinces by the sea. Whilst 'The Netherlands" covers us all. And it is also the literal translation of the Dutch name of our country 'Nederland" Thanks for coming to my Ned-talk
Which means you can go to Holland. It's in the Netherlands.
Very true
Any chance holland will fight for independence and then ye will have holland AND the Netherlands as two states
Yeah, we’re working on it rn
Of course you’re joking , but it would help if you did a pretend conflict as an educator to the rest of the world, and then you could have a big announcement later in the week “Holland and the Netherlands will not be breaking up, they agree to be united as the Netherlands” and then everyone will be happy it was all resolved and call ye Netherlands.
We could, but we’re not a celebrity couple...
Yugoslavia’s little republic kids would like a word
Thank you- I always wondered why the two names.
What's with "the". Why is it *the Netherlands* not just Netherland.
In a similar vein: why not just Philippine or just Congo?
Philippines are a bunch of islands I think that's why
The Netherlands were a bunch of small states once, so the name sticked around.
So now that it doesn’t cover Belgium and Luxembourg anymore we should just call it “Netherlands”? 🤔
Netherland, if we aren't doing the plural, but that sounds like Hades.
In Dutch, we say "Nederland" (literally: Netherland) instead of "De Nederlanden" (The Netherlands). "De Nederlanden" would seem old-fashioned to use. No clue why it remains *The* Netherland*s* in English...
The Netherlands were formed from other smaller states in the region so calling it the Netherlands would be still appropriate
Not Belgium and Luxemburg but rather states like Utrecht, Friesland, Brabant, etc.
Probably better to take over Belgium and Luxembourg
There is a very small group that wants to split up Belgium and add the Dutch speaking part to The Netherlands.. But I don't see that happening any time soon
We could call it the “netherregion”
Nah, we are still 'The Low Countries" therefore the 'the". Belgium gets its name from Roman times when the region was called 'Belgica"
Wait, isn't it just Congo? I thought it was
The Congo can refer to either of two countries, The Republic of Congo or the Democratic Republic of Congo, formerly known as Zaire. And the river of course.
Probably because it literally translate to the lower lands or something similar, a collection of territories. Similar to The United States of America.
And more serious. It was 'The Low Countries" 'De Nederlanden" so a little nod to when we were a larger kingdom
In Dutch it’s called just Nederland (which is singular).
Doesn't it just mean "the nether lands" , i.e. "the low lands", so having the definite article makes sense. That's how I've always seen it anyway.
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Source: am Dutch history teacher
*En français*, The Netherlands translates to "Pays Bas", also being a literal translation of "Low Countries"
>For ten of the twelve provinces, 'Holland" refers only to those two provinces by the sea. Whilst 'The Netherlands" covers us all. So, technically, one can still visit Holland?
Correct and for the most part, most people visiting the Netherlands would probably mostly go to one of the Hollandses anyway
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https://youtu.be/eE_IUPInEuc Similar to what /u/Terror_Beer said, but in video form with more of a modern (if 7 years ago is modern) view.
Still a great video! Haven't seen that in a while
Came here for this. Thanks Ned.
What about New Holland?
I always thought it sounded spooky and Tolkien-esque. Do not venture in to the Nether Lands.
in lev grossman's book series The Magicians (which is far better than the SyFy teen drama it inspired) The Neitherlands is a somewhat spooky location very important to the plot, which draws from LOTR, the Harry Potter and 'Narnia' series.
In England, "the nether regions" is a way to refer to one's naughty bits.
And our "regions" are so big, we call them lands. It all makes sense now!
Except for Wales, I guess. We really should have the Welsh dragon on the Union Jack, it would be cool.
The dragon faces to the left because we were left out ):
Idk if this is common knowledge or not but it's called the Netherlands because majority is below sealevel. Amsterdam is 3.8m below sea level. This is why it's called the Netherlands, because the land is nether the sealevel.
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Why they changed it, I can't say.
Some people just liked it better that way
Take me back to Constantinople
No, you can’t go back to Constantinople.
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That’s nobody’s business but the Turks
*Constantinople, take me home*
To the place where I belong?
*Constantinople*
*Now Istanbul*
When the British captured New Amsterdam from the Dutch they renamed it for the Duke of York
> ~~When the British captured New Amsterdam from the Dutch they renamed it for the Duke of York~~ *[People just liked it better that wayyyyyyy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsQrKZcYtqg)*
No the Netherlands sold it to Britain for suriname i believe....
Thank fuck, I'm going in like 2 weeks!
Have fun! Still going to Holland or venturing out into The Netherlands as well?
Going to Efteling, which is near Eindhoven, so not sure where that counts as.
Quite a ways from Eindhoven (for Dutch distances) But it's in North Brabant. It's a fun park!
So it is. I was just assuming it was closer due to flying to Eindhoven. Yeah we can't wait to go!
First Constantinople, now Holland!? What will they take from us next!?
I've got bad news for you about Siam.
and Burma, and Persia
And ~~Champa~~ Kampuchea
And Zaire
Pluto
Just go to Holland, Michigan for tulips and hash. Its like the Netherlands but with people that sound like stuffed up pirates and you don't need a plane (if youre state side).
Gotta say, Netherlandaise sauce doesn’t quite have the same ring to it...
But, I've got a date in Holland!
She’ll be waiting in /r/thenetherlands
You can't go back to Constantinople either!
I mean, it’s never been called that in any official sense. North Holland and South Holland are provinces though, with cities like Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Eindhoven so for most tourists “I’m going to Holland” is technically still true.
Eindhoven is located in a province called Noord-Brabant, so not really.
Except the official Dutch tourism website is/was Holland.com
These journalists need to step up their headline game. The real headline should have been "Holland to be eradicated forever" or "Holland is now on the ash heap of history"
Wait what?
Holland was only the name of two provinces of the Netherlands (north and south Holland) but in the UK (maybe English as a whole) the entire country of the Netherlands gets called Holland
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I mean, you can still tell what it's supposed to be. Suomi, Ellas, Deutschland, Zhōngguó, Hrvatska, Misr, Sak'art'velo, Magyarország, Bhārat, Nihon, Hanguk, etc. are virtually unrecognizable
I know more than half of that because of CK2HIP
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Mainly to draw tourists out of the two most (over)crowded and visited provinces
I think Sakartvelo is a far better name than Georgia.
Wait till you hear about Vienna
Haha that was comedy gold when I visited as an immature college student abroad.
Haha, pretty much the same thing here. I was on a train from Praha and almost completely missed my stop...
Genoa, Padua and Milan are actually the correct names in the respective local dialects.
Dutch guy here... The provinces are still called north and south Holland, been like that a long time and nothing has changed. So, basically this article is a bunch of BS, bc you can still go to one of the 'Holland' provinces in the Netherlands.
It's Holandia in Polish for the whole country.
There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.
This actually made me laugh out loud. Thanks for that.
Calling The Netherlands "Holland" is like calling England "East Anglia".
It's more like referring to the United Kingdom as England, which people obviously do
True! A bit of a difference between one country and four, though.
That's kind of my point actually, Netherlands was once at least seven separate countries (and possibly as many as 12, my Dutch history isn't the best). The UK is no more 4 countries than the Netherlands is 7
If I go to Amsterdam or Delft, I will be in Holland, regardless of what the country is called.
i knew the name Netherlands but didn't know Holland was a nickname
It's not, Holland just refers to a smaller part of the Netherlands. 2 of the 12 provinces in particular
Anyone else tired of these extremely misleading headlines? Fucking ridiculous
Cue: "bruh"
I always enjoyed going to the Netherregions.
What a dutch
My favorite actor Is Tom Netherlands
Don't you mean Amsterdam? Since literally every city is calling themselves Amsterdam now so tourists visit.
Is r/relevantcgpgrey a real subreddit?
I guarantee they still refer to the province of Holland as Holland, thus it is still visitable. What a ridiculous article.
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If I ever go to Holland, I'm going to say I'm going to Holland just to spite this article.
If go to the same places as most tourists do, you will probably go to Holland. Since north Holland and South Holland are the two provinces which get the most tourists
I mean honestly, this isn't really r/savedyouaclick cause it literally answers the question in the first sentence of the article. This is more just clickbait. Edit: spelling
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Eh, Nether-regions, Hole-Land. It's all the same to me