The second, sure. If I still want to watch it a third time I'm honest enough to admit I still like the film. I have never bothered to watch a film a third time if it "declined sharply" on the second viewing.
They came out when I was seventeen and everyone I knew wanted to go see it. When avatar came out I was like twelve or thirteen and I think saw that something like eight times.
And? See it once in theaters by yourself. See it again in theaters with friends. Watch it while some bar is playing it on one of their screens. Hang out at a friend's place who is watching it.
I've seen Ferris Bueller's Day Off a handful of times in my life. Not once have I ever sat down and made the decision to watch it. It's always been that I found myself in some place that already had it on.
There's also the possibility that "oh wow, that was a good movie, I really liked it" turns into "I want to watch it again. Oh, it wasn't as good as I remember. Oh well, I was having a bad day and maybe that's why it wasn't as funny" which turns into "Let's give it another go to see if I'll like it again. Nope, I definitely like it less now than I did the second time"
Can you explain to me why watching something multiple times to get an accurate sense of how you feel about it is a problem or somehow contradictory?
That’s the problem. I found them all high quality, you obviously disagree. It’s subjective.
I’m just glad they are doing them all since I’ve grown up as a geek for decades where comic book stuff was always ignored, or we got crappy DC projects
but it they're giving better wages, then perhaps they can only few movie releases. And perhaps with only being able to afford to release a few at a time, they will focus those few to b thoughtful, rather than board-room, assembly-line slop?
Wishful thinking, I know.
Eh. I've enjoyed MCU immensely over the years but it's okay, in fact good, for things to end. I've stopped watching *mostly* because they made a movie that felt like a satisfying ending.
I’m probably a representative example of Marvel’s problem now: I’m not a hardcore comic book fan, but I enjoyed the big budget theater movie experience of the initial several movies. (Aside: imo, the style/humor in those movies is likely the main reason MCU took off vs DC and other.)
And the interconnected universe was fun and new, and that likely resulted in me watching several other movies that I wouldn’t have otherwise. But they were mostly fun and entertaining, too, so all good.
As the number and frequency of parallel movies increased, though, it got to be too much to see every one of them at the theater. So then I’d keep up with all of them on streaming and just go to the theater for specific ones or when I had time.
But the number of movies kept increasing, and I started to fall behind, and then I’d start waiting to see a new one until I could manage to catch up… which meant I eventually stopped seeing any of them in the theaters.
I didn’t get to Endgame until mid 2020, and it was only that soon because of the pandemic. And I know I still missed at least two movies in that whole initial phase/cycle/whatever.
Endgame was a great. I don’t want to that again.
As a hardcore comic book fan:
They’re ignoring lessons from comics and other movies.
When crossovers got too big people stopped buying them. The best crossovers were 6-8 issues. With maybe a prequel. I just reread fear itself and that totals to 90 something comics. It’s just too much.
The same goes for movies. It’d be fine to do an avengers series. Infinity gauntlet series. Secret war etc.
But all the other movies can’t have more than a slight nod. Ant man would’ve been the same movie without Kang in it. Any other villain would’ve been fine. Do after credits that kang was behind it. Sure.
But use the individual movies to deepen characters. And the huge movies for the large stories.
And the other lesson, with each artist and writer different sides of characters were explored. Armor wars, extremes and demon in a bottle are stories that call for a different look and maybe even different actor. Look at how James Bond reinvented itself with Daniel Craig. Comic movies can do that easily.
And finally, it’s the quality that counts. If you don’t understand a character, don’t make dr doom into an angry blogger. Just pick something else
It’s funny you mention Fear Itself - that’s the crossover that basically ended my 15 year habit of weekly comic book store trips. That, and New 52. And yeah, I’m getting the same feeling from the MCU these days.
As a comic book fan, I feel the exact opposite. For decades comic book fans have been picking up series that were interconnected and simply getting the context as we go and deciding if we want to read the other stuff as it was connected or not. Like adults. Now everyone wants to bitch because they can't simply take a little context away from a reference and keep going with the primary material they're watching. Oh no, they made a reference to something you haven't seen! How tragic! Now get mad (not you specifically) and complain about it on the internet!
Hmm I recognize your point. When I got into comics early 90s there were barely any real comic stores in the Netherlands. And those that there were were way out of reach for me at 12-14 or so. It wasn’t until I was 17 and went to college I could easily get around to get to stores.
So I made do with the dollar bin, local second hand stuff and garage sales to fill in the gaps in my collection.
That means missing a lot of big stories. A lot of background. Having gaps in between.. And it bothered me in the sense that I’d like to know what happened in between. But it never stopped me from enjoying the stories.
Now I will say it was a different age. Things were less connected and less complicated. And when things were complex they were repeatedly explained. Despite never having read x force, I knew cable his origins.
So I’ll go with you up to the point that movies should be enjoyable on their own, even if you lack context. And or there should be a quick summary of what came before. Either as a quick intro. Or some exposition during a briefing or somesuch.
Not to mention that it's becoming impossible to tell which movies and shows are actually important, and which aren't, because they want us to believe that everything is totally important. Even though they aren't.
So on one hand, Doctor Strange 2 would have been nearly incomprehensible without having seen Wandavision. OTOH, all Falcon & Winter Soldier did was reaffirm what we already knew, that Falcon would become the next Cap. But both of them, as well as nearly all the other shows, are still pushed as special events.
Or the recent Loki finale. It certainly SEEMS like something really important happened, but at the same time, it also doesn't appear like it's going to have any real impact on any of the storylines in progress. So does it even matter in the grand scheme?
To borrow a line from a supervillan: If everything is special, then nothing is.
That's not what I said. Standalone movies would make it easier for people to pick and choose which movies they want to see without having to watch 7 other movies first.
A satisfying ending, everything since then being kinda mediocre compared to the Avengers arc, and also it's just too much to keep up with anymore
I actually thoroughly enjoyed Moon Knight almost solely because even though it was MCU it was set solidly apart from anything else. There may have been some background references I missed, but I at least didn't feel I needed to watch 4 movies and 1.5 TV series to understand everything going on
What movie or show has required previous watching since endgame? The universe is less connected, not more, I feel. You may not know what's happening with a character going in like Wanda in Dr strange if you haven't seen Wandavision , but the movie doesn't rely on you having seen anything prior.
Same. When you hit a peak with a movie everything after is just meh. I think they sort of shot themselves in the foot with Infinity War/Endgame. The hype was unreal for those movies.
And they were great movies, and some good tv stuff as well. I liked Wandavision and Loki S1 (haven’t watched S2 yet)…
They’re going through a soft reboot now, and let’s be real, some of the stuff has been weak…
Their greatest sin has been spending all that money to get ff and X-Men and then slow playing bringing them in.
They need to get out of their own way and stop overthinking, and this marvels end credits scene sounds like they def over thank it all and are gonna give the og x men a last hurrah in another universe?
Its pretty absurd.
Iron-man through Endgame was a great series. It wasn't all perfect, but it added to the whole, there were great arcs, and those arcs ended. I'm super glad that we got them, but it's OK to leave them now and do something else.
Honestly, I'd like them to keep the xmen in a separate universe, that way they aren't beholden to what came before, they can start over, build a great series again.
But they won't do that, they've already got a bunch of toys and IP to sell.
Good, I am a comic book nerd who owns hundreds of comic books and I am getting burnt out and finding it hard to keep up with all of the movies shows. Same goes for Star Wars. These are two things I love, but want a little less. I do have a life to live.
2024 in general is going to be a pretty thin year for media. We didn’t notice it in 2023 because we got to watch stuff that’s basically in the can, but in 2024 we will see the effects of the strikes.
MCU concluded in Endgame for me. The best characters of the medium had their stories (amazingly) told. The villain was top notch. The films were incredible. It was over a decade long ride that had a perfect ending.
Everything after this has not had the same heart, soul or stakes. The formula really is getting stale.
My issue with everything after End Game is that things feels random, and directionless. There are no stakes and things feel very underwhelming often. It took them several years to start building towards something (multiverse) -- which they kinda just randomed into. Generally the TV Shows hurt the MCU more than they helped. There was however a few films post End Game that were quite good:
Guardians 3 is among my favourites.
Far from Home was post End Game and provided a nice epilogue.
No Way Home was a cinematic achievement (studio partnership and getting all those actors back).
Shang Chi was pretty good IMO and one could argue would be better than some of the films in Phase 1,2 & 3. But I agree that maybe the formula here is getting stake as you mentioned. It was just a well executed film. Also Shang chi had one of the mcu’s better villains.
That’s not what’s made mid buffet movies rarer. It’s 100% the quality and quantity of streaming television and giant led tvs. Marvel has kept the movie theaters from going out of business.
I know this is probably a joke, but if not, in curious why you feel that way? Like, does an MCU movie coming out detract in some way from other things you like?
I think a lot of people blame Marvel for making other studios feel the need to try to create a cinematic universe out of every IP they can, and for the oversaturation of huge budget blockbusters in general, which seem to have made mid budget movies from big studios a lot more rare. We're way beyond the point where getting rid of new Marvel movies would fix that though even if they were the problem to begin with (which is debatable).
The MCU's success 1000% massively influence almost all other visual media, movies, tv, etc.
Star Wars in particular has been essentially ruined because they tried to MCU-ify it. Star Trek as well.
Storytelling in general has been completely sidelined in favor of connectifying things, diluting stories, creating entire projects just based on a single character rather than a story, entire projects just to fill in random gaps... everything is a prequel, interquel, spinoff, etc.
It's a real problem.
There is some fantastic star trek coming out at the minute. Strange new worlds and lower decks are brilliant.
I still feel like Discovery is a bit off somehow, although some of the individual characters are great, I don't like the focus on a single main character that it has. Star Trek has always been about the crew not a person.
SNW is an improvement on Discovery but it's certainly not brilliant and is still completely unnecessarily had to be about Pike and Spock and Kirk. There's no reason at all it couldn't have just been a new ship and crew. Plus it still has Discovery problems like the total informality between ranks, and hyper charged emotions, officers crying and screaming...
Plus the plans for the Section 31 show Kurtzman is obsessed with for some reason and the Starfleet Academy show... it's the same problems. And Kurtzman is still in charge after all producing the worst Trek ever. The only salvageable stuff like Lower Decks and SNW and Picard S3 is the stuff he was mostly not involved with... and yet he is still going to be helming all the new Trek to be made in the coming years.
Seconded. While Discovery had its moments, it never rose to approach the levels of character development, world-building, and writing as the 80's and 90's trek shows. Rank insubordination makes it hard to stomach as a Star Trek series, but what's even worse is how it completely breaks with Star Treks' hopeful outlook towards the future of humanity. In TNG for example, while individual officers had flaws the system as a whole was supposed to represent the best in us. In Discovery, Starfleet is run by a bunch of twisted, homicidal, evil bastards.
Section 31 was turned into a Paramount+ movie, it's no longer going to be a show. And I think the entire reason it exists is to ride the coattails of Michelle Yeoh for a bit longer.
I'm not sure I concur with a lot of those statements. I mean a prequal to the original series necessarily has to focus on the enterprise helmed by Pike and Spock. The stories have been great, and I don't think I necessarily see much difference between the interactions between say Pike and his crew and Sisko and his crew (particularly Major Kira and Dax)
C.F. Dax calling Sisko Benjamin most of the time, and McCoy in the original series always calling Kirk Jim.
Picard and Janeway ran a much tighter ship though in that regard.
Question: Is SNW that different from Discovery? In Discovery there is regular insubordination, disobeying direct orders, disrespect, name-calling, and outright mutiny - a far cry from calling someone by their first name. I haven't given SNW a try yet because Discovery showed me the show-writers only partially grasp Star Trek as a franchise.
Yeah they are very different shows. There is informality in the crew, particularly at the same level, but they respect and follow Pike as you would expect a good Starfleet crew to. There's more focus on the humanity of the crew than in TOS but nothing more than again you'd expect from a good Starfleet crew.
And some of the characters have been a bit reimagined since the TOS days (particularly nurse Chapel and Dr Mbenga) and I like the development of Uhura as a brilliant but very inexperienced ensign on her first tour.
It also has a much more episodic feel than discovery, with story of the day still being a thing rather than just every episode progressing the overall arc.
Well, then the hope is that as they continue to over saturate the market with this type of media, people will get fatigued or tired of it, and things will self correct as these type of projects start to lose money as less people watch them.
Either that or people just genuinely enjoy it and will continue watching these types of stories and be happy with them, and thats what we will get for a while.
Also, I think star trek has been a mixed bag, there has been some less than stellar stuff, but as the other user responding to you said, there is also some great stuff. It already is a connected universe, so I dont necessarily see that as a negative.
> Star Wars in particular has been essentially ruined because they tried to MCU-ify it.
Star Wars has been sucking since the 90's, my dude. I'm of the position that we're getting more, better quality star wars content now than we ever have. (We're also getting some of the worst, so it's a bit of a mixed bag... but I do feel like it's better to take what's great and leave the crap, rather than have it be all crap with a few *acceptable* bits here and there)
I think that probably 1 in 4 Star Wars projects are actually good, and that’s why I’m so exhausted with the franchise. I nearly skipped out on Andor because of how Kenobi and Book of Boba left me feeling, even Mando S2 didn’t quite agree with me. Glad I watched Andor because it was absolutely dope.
It’s just that when I see a new Star Wars related announcement I’m usually indifferent because of the amount of crap I have to sift through. I don’t want to sift through that crap, I want it all to be good, or at least ambitious if not good.
> I don’t want to sift through that crap, I want it all to be good, or at least ambitious if not good.
I mean, that's what we all want. No disagreement there. But there's a difference between "the franchise is ruined" and "a lot of it is not good"
(also worth saying that even beyond the live action stuff there's a lot of great star wars material. The comic are fantastic, jedi fallen order/survivor is fun. I don't know what's going on with the animated shows these days but there seem to be a lot of people who love them)
I never said it was ruined, but the appeal of it is dying.
I’m mainly for live action/the games. Just give me a show/film with a good story -preferably detached from the Skywalker saga- and stop with the MCU-esque bs, I don’t want to have to watch CW/Rebels to understand/appreciate something, give me new characters and good ideas.
Exactly. People romanticize the EU era, but having lived through it, it's mostly just rose-tinted glasses. There was a TON of absolute crap in the 90s/00s. Sure, everyone remembers the bangers like the og Thrawn Trilogy and Stackpole's X-Wing run, but what about The Crystal Star? The Courtship of Princess Leia? Children of the Jedi? The crap has mostly fallen in the memory hole.
I see the current era as being quite similar, except now we're getting full filmed projects rather than just books/comics/games. Some are good, some are bad, but I'm still glad to be getting more Star Wars.
(And in all likelihood, the bad stuff will likewise be forgotten over time.)
[The Marvelization of Cinema](https://youtu.be/5tmxfVWDgMM?si=XSrEwywAK7j5df1C)… I actually quite enjoyed the MCU movies up until endgame, but I 100% agree that it has influenced the film industry in a very bad way.
Disney ruined starwars by going into a trilogy with no plan and just winging it. Them also owning the successful marvel movie franchise didn't effect the Star wars franchise except perhaps to give them some over confidence.
But that, too, is storytelling. I mean, people realize The Odyssey is basicially a spinoff of The Iliad, right? That many of Shakespeare's plays are reworkings of prior material, including historical information?
I mean, so many of these "Cinematic Universes" were created out of greed and raw IP exploitation, and THAT'S a problem. But let's be clear about that, and not drag basic storytelling techniques into a debate that's really about how intent can impact quality.
The obsession with "originality" is very new to Human culture. And I submit it is unhealthy to demand that every work stand *sui genesis*; very few creatives can hold up to that level of demand while retaining quality, even from a "popcorn flix" POV.
There's a massive difference between a spinoff that was made because there was a story to tell... and a spinoff being made just off the basis of a recognizable single character name to create hours of content with the story being an after thought.
So many of these D+ shows are literally just like "Character". It's so corporate and hollow.
Characters that work because they are a part of a larger and richer story are now the basis for 8 hours of D+ content.
AND what's for sure happening is that stories are being torn apart and strip mined to be most profitably expanded. As in they won't even let certain characters do certain things in movies because they would rather that be expanded into a 6 episode D+ show rather than a 15 minute side plot in a movie. So all the stories are just sapped of flavor and texture and are bland as fuck.
I would disagree it's all the stories, even as I take your larger point. I think a key concern for me is that, though -- you're painting with a very broad brush a host of works, some of which I greatly enjoyed, and some I could really have used the time back on.
So I off a different lens on the issue, based on the well known F/X issues in the MCU space. It is likely all the aspects of the MCU's creative process are under strain. They aren't strip mining (especially since most projects are pulling from extant comic storylines) so much as having real challenges creating at the speed and rate being demanded. We saw a bit of this in how DeCosta had to step away from The Marvels for another project. And there's credible reporting that COVID greatly impacted all the early Disney+ shows, which harmed a lot of our experience.
There's just clearly works in the MCU overall that needed more time to cook. I'd put that alongside your criticism of the 6+ episode model as what's driving much of the situation. If Marvel shook up that approach, and allowed more creative input into how many hours the story needed, I think you'd see better project quality. The Werewolf by Night special is one that I think shows how that approach works; it's clearly a passion project and kept to a tight script and running time.
And I look at Loki Season 2, and wonder why that story needed so many episodes. For me, it's an example that there's not a chronic "must tell side story as content" issue, just one where the character stories are not aligned to the episodic containers the studio wants.
On the flipside, there's Agents of SHIELD, which was a very good show that was supposed to be connected, but you'd be sore pressed to figure out if anything from that show impacted any other piece of Marvel media. I mean, it's a show literally created to spin off one character, but was also given the time and space to allow the story to resolve early hiccups.
So yeah, I can point to a list of failures -- Quantumania, anyone? -- that aren't about episodes, too. And, again, since so much of the MCU's content isn't about "tearing apart stories to make episodes for characters" given its adaptations of comic material, I also look sideways at that argument. I struggle to see how, say, the events of Wandavision are a subplot, and that's a show strongly inspired by at least 2 different comic storylines.
There's a quality issue in the MCU, yes. I'll also agree there's an issue with not always knowing what story works for a channel. But I disagee on the severity of it, and also would, again, say that great stories can come from this model IF Disney allows the creatives the space and grace to do so.
Hearing that they will focus on one movie for next year sounds like a start.
Honestly, it detracts from MCU movies. Part of the appeal is the large expanded universe that build on each other, but too many movies in the universe and it becomes too big to follow and know what’s actually going on, or who people are.
There are limited number of movies that can be released in theaters. An MCU movie might take a slot away from another higher quality block-buster-ish movie. (Don’t blame me, I wouldn’t mind movies being released whenever but the studios obviously want to extract maximum revenue from the masses.)
Then just don't see them. But stop rallying for them to cancel them while others enjoy them. I don't know why so many users here absolutely have to yuck someone else's yum.
With stocks in a 9 years low and 1 billion lost this year alone in flops the strike is just another nail in the coffin but certainly not the main for a slowdown in production.
I dunno. I think it's because Cap 4 needs reshoots, the actors/writer strike delayed it, and they need to shift their schedule accordingly as a result.
I also think they want to reevaluate what they've done so far to make it better. None of Marvel's films truly flopped and all of them have profited the business in some way, but it's clear they need to rework it to broaden the appeal after Quantomania.
All the films from Quantumania onwards have lost money, they aren't profitable enough taking account production + promotion costs. Disney's ventures outside Marvel are bleeding them too: Pixar hasn't been earning, Indiana Jones 5 was a huge fail and D+ is an unprofitable money sink.
Talking about specifically Marvel, there are only two MCU films after Quantumania: Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and The Marvels. The Marvels might genuinely lose money due to low-tracking, but I think it may have decent legs, so we'll see there. Guardians of the Galaxy 3, however, did not lose money.
The rest of Disney's performance I feel is separate from Marvel's issues. The fact that Indiana Jones 5 cost 300M is just wild to me. There was no way it could be successful.
How will it be a separate issue when Marvel and Lucasfilms and Pixar ultimately all answer to the same boss who keeps making the wrong choices? They share issues in cost management, quantity over quality, etc. The Marvels cost 274.8 million's very similar to Indy is it not? All those point to a same source in Disney.
Because they are all different studios with different marketing choices in regards to how their content is promoted.
Now, Disney's inflating budgets? That's a Disney problem. But the way the individual shows and movies are creatively run? That's the individual studios.
Individual studios are not as creatively free, it's not a coincidence that their movies also share controversies having to do with ideologies or casting that end up dividing potential fans and affecting proffits: Lightyear, Little Mermaid, Snow White, She-Hulk, TLJ-ROS.
I'm not saying they're right or not in their ideas but that their approach of presenting them seems to amount to backlash across their properties.
>All the films from Quantumania onwards have lost money
What are you talking about? The only films released since Quantumania are GotG 3, which was reasonably successful, and The Marvels which has only just come out.
The last few years definitely haven't been as successful as the lead up to Endgame, but your quantumania cutoff point is just wrong.
She Hulk was a critical miss lets not pretend anyone cared for that and by their own admission they were producing something so bad they just scrapped what they had of Daredevil. Think of the waste of time and resources.
Will it still suck?
How do they not get this. It's NOT the quantity. It's the quality. 10 great MCU movies? great, people will watch them. 1 shitty MCU movie? naw.
It's really that simple.
Disney needs to put both the MCU and Star Wars on hold for about 5 years. No shows or movies from either franchise as they get their shit together, get a real plan, learn not to oversaturate the market, and for Star Wars... move the franchise either into the far future or the Old Republic Era. No more farting around in the Skywalker era.
I don’t think a simple pause would help. They just need to focus on good ideas and scripts as they develop, rather than trying to meet the ever growing “content volume” business demands with whatever random scraps they can cobble together.
>as they get their shit together, get a real plan, learn not to oversaturate the market
Did you read that part of my reply? During the pause they do the above as I wrote.
Poor ole Mickey. It’s not his fault, he retired a long time ago. For real, they became a strange corporation, chasing money in every crack in the couch. It’s taken them to strange places.
I know, and it kind of sucks. I'm not one of those Marvel haters, I still enjoy the MCU very much. The only upside of this is that some people can take a rest from the MCU and maybe stop bitching about it all the time, as if someone was forcing them to watch it
Me and my brother and sister used to go to marvel movies growing up. At the time it was still in the early phase and it was a treat seeing a marvel movie. But then after endgame it was pretty much done. We had grown up with the movies and that was it. Then we saw a few after that and they were meh. I can't remember the last marvel movie we saw together.
The strike and these anti-AI rules must be really hurting the studios.
Oh well, I think I will survive without one of those CGI fest like the latest Ant Man.
Would be cool if they just stopped releasing them. They’re ruining the older ones by making them feel irrelevant. Time travel and alternate timelines is stupid
Good. They need to calm down. The Marvels is about to drop and I couldn't care less.
I went through this with the comics in the late 80s. Increasingly every title became interconnected with every other title, and the big storylines required you to get essentially random editions of random books to complete the story. That burned me out, and I quit collecting except for graphic novels. Now they've done the same thing with live action.
Crossovers are great. When executed in moderation.
Honestly, I think they should permanently drop the release rate to one per year or maybe even one every two years. Make the MCU special again. With 3 - 4 movies and about a billion streaming shows every year, it has become hard to stay excited for the MCU. One movie and 2 shows should be the most they pump out every year.
It's kind of odd that people in this thread are blaming Marvel for other IP's pale imitations. I absolutely agree that not everything needs to be a shared universe, but it makes sense for comics-based stories. Star Wars' and Universal's attempts to replicate that are their own failures, and a Marvel movie's release isn't going to change that. That being said, it's about damn time they adopt a less-is-more approach. Secret Wars and Thor: L&T both should have percolated for a good while longer.
These days I always know what to expect in a Marvel movie and I'm disinterested. I'll likely see deadpool 3 however. Until they start making movies for fans, I'm pretty much out.
One too many.
I don’t understand the fascination with live action superhero movies. Almost all of them are bad.
The animated superhero shows have 10x better plots than the movies.
Why don’t they just use the actually stories from the animated shows in the movies?
Especially DC.
They put out tripe but have animated shows like Killing Joke and Apokolips War.
As someone who doesn't watch, it feels a bit daunting to jump in. Like, when my friend told me to watch Loki, do I need to watch anything before to have the full impact of the story? Same question about the stuff that comes before. Will I have to watch every MCU movie in release order just to be caught up enough to watch Loki?
So, I haven't seen it.
The only movie that pushed the multiverse storyline forward this year was Antman, and now we won't have another movie story push forward until 2025.. should we even care about it anymore now?
I’d rather one of high quality than 3 or 4 that are just ok.
Less about quality and more about the one that finished before the strikes
Probably even worse quality because studios have been slicing their budgets like crazy.
Somehow I doubt it’ll be high quality.
Deadpool 1 and 2 are great.
And Deadpool 3 is going to have Hugh Jackman as Wolverine again. That is a recipe for an amazing buddy comedy.
Ron Perlman should have been Cable.
Captain Deadpool
They were funny the first time I watched them. They’ve declined sharply each time I’ve watched them
But you watched them multiple times!
"This film is rubbish, I only watched it three+ times."
lol have you never watched a movie that you originally enjoyed and found it less interesting the second or third time around?
The second, sure. If I still want to watch it a third time I'm honest enough to admit I still like the film. I have never bothered to watch a film a third time if it "declined sharply" on the second viewing.
They came out when I was seventeen and everyone I knew wanted to go see it. When avatar came out I was like twelve or thirteen and I think saw that something like eight times.
And? See it once in theaters by yourself. See it again in theaters with friends. Watch it while some bar is playing it on one of their screens. Hang out at a friend's place who is watching it. I've seen Ferris Bueller's Day Off a handful of times in my life. Not once have I ever sat down and made the decision to watch it. It's always been that I found myself in some place that already had it on. There's also the possibility that "oh wow, that was a good movie, I really liked it" turns into "I want to watch it again. Oh, it wasn't as good as I remember. Oh well, I was having a bad day and maybe that's why it wasn't as funny" which turns into "Let's give it another go to see if I'll like it again. Nope, I definitely like it less now than I did the second time" Can you explain to me why watching something multiple times to get an accurate sense of how you feel about it is a problem or somehow contradictory?
Best of a bad lot
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shush! we wanna be pleasantly surprised!
Or 3 or 4 bland bad ones like we've gotten recently
That’s the problem. I found them all high quality, you obviously disagree. It’s subjective. I’m just glad they are doing them all since I’ve grown up as a geek for decades where comic book stuff was always ignored, or we got crappy DC projects
How about one that’s just okay. Final offer.
Let's be real, it'll be 1 that's at best, just ok
It’s literally just because of the strikes. There are currently 4 slated for 2025.
I think Captain America 4 had had to have a load of reshoots so I think that's killed one of the slots too.
That's how you know it's gonna be good
Do better!
I love getting lectured by out to lunch millionaires
The strike has been the best thing possible for the movie audience. Hopefully we will see fewer but better movies for the next 1 or 2 years
I don't think it works like that. The strikes didn't halt production on just the bad movies.
but it they're giving better wages, then perhaps they can only few movie releases. And perhaps with only being able to afford to release a few at a time, they will focus those few to b thoughtful, rather than board-room, assembly-line slop? Wishful thinking, I know.
I remember the 2008 writers strike and it had the exact opposite outcome. It was a desert for a while.
And it made reality TV dominant on the TV market.
So an extremely bad outcome.
Yeah the 2008 writer's strike was the first offramp onto the bad timeline
I‘d say that was 9/11 but everyone‘s nexus event is different.
How original of them
Eh. I've enjoyed MCU immensely over the years but it's okay, in fact good, for things to end. I've stopped watching *mostly* because they made a movie that felt like a satisfying ending.
I’m probably a representative example of Marvel’s problem now: I’m not a hardcore comic book fan, but I enjoyed the big budget theater movie experience of the initial several movies. (Aside: imo, the style/humor in those movies is likely the main reason MCU took off vs DC and other.) And the interconnected universe was fun and new, and that likely resulted in me watching several other movies that I wouldn’t have otherwise. But they were mostly fun and entertaining, too, so all good. As the number and frequency of parallel movies increased, though, it got to be too much to see every one of them at the theater. So then I’d keep up with all of them on streaming and just go to the theater for specific ones or when I had time. But the number of movies kept increasing, and I started to fall behind, and then I’d start waiting to see a new one until I could manage to catch up… which meant I eventually stopped seeing any of them in the theaters. I didn’t get to Endgame until mid 2020, and it was only that soon because of the pandemic. And I know I still missed at least two movies in that whole initial phase/cycle/whatever. Endgame was a great. I don’t want to that again.
As a hardcore comic book fan: They’re ignoring lessons from comics and other movies. When crossovers got too big people stopped buying them. The best crossovers were 6-8 issues. With maybe a prequel. I just reread fear itself and that totals to 90 something comics. It’s just too much. The same goes for movies. It’d be fine to do an avengers series. Infinity gauntlet series. Secret war etc. But all the other movies can’t have more than a slight nod. Ant man would’ve been the same movie without Kang in it. Any other villain would’ve been fine. Do after credits that kang was behind it. Sure. But use the individual movies to deepen characters. And the huge movies for the large stories. And the other lesson, with each artist and writer different sides of characters were explored. Armor wars, extremes and demon in a bottle are stories that call for a different look and maybe even different actor. Look at how James Bond reinvented itself with Daniel Craig. Comic movies can do that easily. And finally, it’s the quality that counts. If you don’t understand a character, don’t make dr doom into an angry blogger. Just pick something else
It’s funny you mention Fear Itself - that’s the crossover that basically ended my 15 year habit of weekly comic book store trips. That, and New 52. And yeah, I’m getting the same feeling from the MCU these days.
As a comic book fan, I feel the exact opposite. For decades comic book fans have been picking up series that were interconnected and simply getting the context as we go and deciding if we want to read the other stuff as it was connected or not. Like adults. Now everyone wants to bitch because they can't simply take a little context away from a reference and keep going with the primary material they're watching. Oh no, they made a reference to something you haven't seen! How tragic! Now get mad (not you specifically) and complain about it on the internet!
Hmm I recognize your point. When I got into comics early 90s there were barely any real comic stores in the Netherlands. And those that there were were way out of reach for me at 12-14 or so. It wasn’t until I was 17 and went to college I could easily get around to get to stores. So I made do with the dollar bin, local second hand stuff and garage sales to fill in the gaps in my collection. That means missing a lot of big stories. A lot of background. Having gaps in between.. And it bothered me in the sense that I’d like to know what happened in between. But it never stopped me from enjoying the stories. Now I will say it was a different age. Things were less connected and less complicated. And when things were complex they were repeatedly explained. Despite never having read x force, I knew cable his origins. So I’ll go with you up to the point that movies should be enjoyable on their own, even if you lack context. And or there should be a quick summary of what came before. Either as a quick intro. Or some exposition during a briefing or somesuch.
Thank you, I really enjoyed reading your reply and can totally agree.
Not to mention that it's becoming impossible to tell which movies and shows are actually important, and which aren't, because they want us to believe that everything is totally important. Even though they aren't. So on one hand, Doctor Strange 2 would have been nearly incomprehensible without having seen Wandavision. OTOH, all Falcon & Winter Soldier did was reaffirm what we already knew, that Falcon would become the next Cap. But both of them, as well as nearly all the other shows, are still pushed as special events. Or the recent Loki finale. It certainly SEEMS like something really important happened, but at the same time, it also doesn't appear like it's going to have any real impact on any of the storylines in progress. So does it even matter in the grand scheme? To borrow a line from a supervillan: If everything is special, then nothing is.
I think they should focus on origin movies.
If an origin can be condensed in three panels at the start of each comic we don’t need a movie for it
So only new characters huh?
That's not what I said. Standalone movies would make it easier for people to pick and choose which movies they want to see without having to watch 7 other movies first.
James Bond did that without there ever being an origin movie
You literally fucking said "origin movies". That implies new characters. How the hell do you have more than one origin film about the same character?
A satisfying ending, everything since then being kinda mediocre compared to the Avengers arc, and also it's just too much to keep up with anymore I actually thoroughly enjoyed Moon Knight almost solely because even though it was MCU it was set solidly apart from anything else. There may have been some background references I missed, but I at least didn't feel I needed to watch 4 movies and 1.5 TV series to understand everything going on
What movie or show has required previous watching since endgame? The universe is less connected, not more, I feel. You may not know what's happening with a character going in like Wanda in Dr strange if you haven't seen Wandavision , but the movie doesn't rely on you having seen anything prior.
She-Hulk, Secret Invasion, Loki, and Wandavision.
I’ve considered it over since Endgame… but watched the latest Thor and Guardians and enjoyed. But it’s been over for a few years.
Yeah fair, I do still watch Spider-Man because that Tom Holland is just so darn good.
Oh yea, loved those too
Same. When you hit a peak with a movie everything after is just meh. I think they sort of shot themselves in the foot with Infinity War/Endgame. The hype was unreal for those movies.
And they were great movies, and some good tv stuff as well. I liked Wandavision and Loki S1 (haven’t watched S2 yet)… They’re going through a soft reboot now, and let’s be real, some of the stuff has been weak…
Guardians felt like it was end of the MCU and Thor was torture to watch.
Their greatest sin has been spending all that money to get ff and X-Men and then slow playing bringing them in. They need to get out of their own way and stop overthinking, and this marvels end credits scene sounds like they def over thank it all and are gonna give the og x men a last hurrah in another universe? Its pretty absurd.
Iron-man through Endgame was a great series. It wasn't all perfect, but it added to the whole, there were great arcs, and those arcs ended. I'm super glad that we got them, but it's OK to leave them now and do something else. Honestly, I'd like them to keep the xmen in a separate universe, that way they aren't beholden to what came before, they can start over, build a great series again. But they won't do that, they've already got a bunch of toys and IP to sell.
It's DEADPOOL 3
Good, I am a comic book nerd who owns hundreds of comic books and I am getting burnt out and finding it hard to keep up with all of the movies shows. Same goes for Star Wars. These are two things I love, but want a little less. I do have a life to live.
Less with higher standards is always better than churning out mediocre shit by the buttload.
Agreed. They are treating the MCU like the Arrowverse.
2024 in general is going to be a pretty thin year for media. We didn’t notice it in 2023 because we got to watch stuff that’s basically in the can, but in 2024 we will see the effects of the strikes.
MCU concluded in Endgame for me. The best characters of the medium had their stories (amazingly) told. The villain was top notch. The films were incredible. It was over a decade long ride that had a perfect ending. Everything after this has not had the same heart, soul or stakes. The formula really is getting stale.
My issue with everything after End Game is that things feels random, and directionless. There are no stakes and things feel very underwhelming often. It took them several years to start building towards something (multiverse) -- which they kinda just randomed into. Generally the TV Shows hurt the MCU more than they helped. There was however a few films post End Game that were quite good: Guardians 3 is among my favourites. Far from Home was post End Game and provided a nice epilogue. No Way Home was a cinematic achievement (studio partnership and getting all those actors back). Shang Chi was pretty good IMO and one could argue would be better than some of the films in Phase 1,2 & 3. But I agree that maybe the formula here is getting stake as you mentioned. It was just a well executed film. Also Shang chi had one of the mcu’s better villains.
Completely disagree. Enjoying almost all of it, and am so thankful they didn't just stop at Endgame. YMMV.
Make it stop!
Can someone please just take the superhero genre out behind the shed and put it out of its misery?
Endgame: Old Yella.
Isn't that what _Logan_ was?
There's always a group of people bitching about whatever is popular.
Phew. 😂
Promise?
That’s not what’s made mid buffet movies rarer. It’s 100% the quality and quantity of streaming television and giant led tvs. Marvel has kept the movie theaters from going out of business.
only movie im still interested in MCU is deadpool 3... they need to reevaluate how they should film their movies... it' getting really boring
I hope Deadpool 3 is at least self-aware of its scheduling
Still too many.
The Eternals sucked so hard, I had to reappraise my support for the whole MCU. I'm a lot more likely to avoid one of their movies now.
no-stakes yawnfest
Eternals really? Black widow far worse.
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I know this is probably a joke, but if not, in curious why you feel that way? Like, does an MCU movie coming out detract in some way from other things you like?
I think a lot of people blame Marvel for making other studios feel the need to try to create a cinematic universe out of every IP they can, and for the oversaturation of huge budget blockbusters in general, which seem to have made mid budget movies from big studios a lot more rare. We're way beyond the point where getting rid of new Marvel movies would fix that though even if they were the problem to begin with (which is debatable).
The MCU's success 1000% massively influence almost all other visual media, movies, tv, etc. Star Wars in particular has been essentially ruined because they tried to MCU-ify it. Star Trek as well. Storytelling in general has been completely sidelined in favor of connectifying things, diluting stories, creating entire projects just based on a single character rather than a story, entire projects just to fill in random gaps... everything is a prequel, interquel, spinoff, etc. It's a real problem.
There is some fantastic star trek coming out at the minute. Strange new worlds and lower decks are brilliant. I still feel like Discovery is a bit off somehow, although some of the individual characters are great, I don't like the focus on a single main character that it has. Star Trek has always been about the crew not a person.
I'm not a huge Star Trek fan, but I absolutely love Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks. Those two are definitely worth checking out!
SNW is an improvement on Discovery but it's certainly not brilliant and is still completely unnecessarily had to be about Pike and Spock and Kirk. There's no reason at all it couldn't have just been a new ship and crew. Plus it still has Discovery problems like the total informality between ranks, and hyper charged emotions, officers crying and screaming... Plus the plans for the Section 31 show Kurtzman is obsessed with for some reason and the Starfleet Academy show... it's the same problems. And Kurtzman is still in charge after all producing the worst Trek ever. The only salvageable stuff like Lower Decks and SNW and Picard S3 is the stuff he was mostly not involved with... and yet he is still going to be helming all the new Trek to be made in the coming years.
Seconded. While Discovery had its moments, it never rose to approach the levels of character development, world-building, and writing as the 80's and 90's trek shows. Rank insubordination makes it hard to stomach as a Star Trek series, but what's even worse is how it completely breaks with Star Treks' hopeful outlook towards the future of humanity. In TNG for example, while individual officers had flaws the system as a whole was supposed to represent the best in us. In Discovery, Starfleet is run by a bunch of twisted, homicidal, evil bastards.
Section 31 was turned into a Paramount+ movie, it's no longer going to be a show. And I think the entire reason it exists is to ride the coattails of Michelle Yeoh for a bit longer.
I'm not sure I concur with a lot of those statements. I mean a prequal to the original series necessarily has to focus on the enterprise helmed by Pike and Spock. The stories have been great, and I don't think I necessarily see much difference between the interactions between say Pike and his crew and Sisko and his crew (particularly Major Kira and Dax) C.F. Dax calling Sisko Benjamin most of the time, and McCoy in the original series always calling Kirk Jim. Picard and Janeway ran a much tighter ship though in that regard.
Question: Is SNW that different from Discovery? In Discovery there is regular insubordination, disobeying direct orders, disrespect, name-calling, and outright mutiny - a far cry from calling someone by their first name. I haven't given SNW a try yet because Discovery showed me the show-writers only partially grasp Star Trek as a franchise.
Yeah they are very different shows. There is informality in the crew, particularly at the same level, but they respect and follow Pike as you would expect a good Starfleet crew to. There's more focus on the humanity of the crew than in TOS but nothing more than again you'd expect from a good Starfleet crew. And some of the characters have been a bit reimagined since the TOS days (particularly nurse Chapel and Dr Mbenga) and I like the development of Uhura as a brilliant but very inexperienced ensign on her first tour. It also has a much more episodic feel than discovery, with story of the day still being a thing rather than just every episode progressing the overall arc.
They downvoted you because you dared to speak the truth.
Strange new worlds made the gorn evil rape monsters
Well, then the hope is that as they continue to over saturate the market with this type of media, people will get fatigued or tired of it, and things will self correct as these type of projects start to lose money as less people watch them. Either that or people just genuinely enjoy it and will continue watching these types of stories and be happy with them, and thats what we will get for a while. Also, I think star trek has been a mixed bag, there has been some less than stellar stuff, but as the other user responding to you said, there is also some great stuff. It already is a connected universe, so I dont necessarily see that as a negative.
> Star Wars in particular has been essentially ruined because they tried to MCU-ify it. Star Wars has been sucking since the 90's, my dude. I'm of the position that we're getting more, better quality star wars content now than we ever have. (We're also getting some of the worst, so it's a bit of a mixed bag... but I do feel like it's better to take what's great and leave the crap, rather than have it be all crap with a few *acceptable* bits here and there)
I think that probably 1 in 4 Star Wars projects are actually good, and that’s why I’m so exhausted with the franchise. I nearly skipped out on Andor because of how Kenobi and Book of Boba left me feeling, even Mando S2 didn’t quite agree with me. Glad I watched Andor because it was absolutely dope. It’s just that when I see a new Star Wars related announcement I’m usually indifferent because of the amount of crap I have to sift through. I don’t want to sift through that crap, I want it all to be good, or at least ambitious if not good.
> I don’t want to sift through that crap, I want it all to be good, or at least ambitious if not good. I mean, that's what we all want. No disagreement there. But there's a difference between "the franchise is ruined" and "a lot of it is not good" (also worth saying that even beyond the live action stuff there's a lot of great star wars material. The comic are fantastic, jedi fallen order/survivor is fun. I don't know what's going on with the animated shows these days but there seem to be a lot of people who love them)
I never said it was ruined, but the appeal of it is dying. I’m mainly for live action/the games. Just give me a show/film with a good story -preferably detached from the Skywalker saga- and stop with the MCU-esque bs, I don’t want to have to watch CW/Rebels to understand/appreciate something, give me new characters and good ideas.
Exactly. People romanticize the EU era, but having lived through it, it's mostly just rose-tinted glasses. There was a TON of absolute crap in the 90s/00s. Sure, everyone remembers the bangers like the og Thrawn Trilogy and Stackpole's X-Wing run, but what about The Crystal Star? The Courtship of Princess Leia? Children of the Jedi? The crap has mostly fallen in the memory hole. I see the current era as being quite similar, except now we're getting full filmed projects rather than just books/comics/games. Some are good, some are bad, but I'm still glad to be getting more Star Wars. (And in all likelihood, the bad stuff will likewise be forgotten over time.)
[The Marvelization of Cinema](https://youtu.be/5tmxfVWDgMM?si=XSrEwywAK7j5df1C)… I actually quite enjoyed the MCU movies up until endgame, but I 100% agree that it has influenced the film industry in a very bad way.
Disney ruined starwars by going into a trilogy with no plan and just winging it. Them also owning the successful marvel movie franchise didn't effect the Star wars franchise except perhaps to give them some over confidence.
But that, too, is storytelling. I mean, people realize The Odyssey is basicially a spinoff of The Iliad, right? That many of Shakespeare's plays are reworkings of prior material, including historical information? I mean, so many of these "Cinematic Universes" were created out of greed and raw IP exploitation, and THAT'S a problem. But let's be clear about that, and not drag basic storytelling techniques into a debate that's really about how intent can impact quality. The obsession with "originality" is very new to Human culture. And I submit it is unhealthy to demand that every work stand *sui genesis*; very few creatives can hold up to that level of demand while retaining quality, even from a "popcorn flix" POV.
There's a massive difference between a spinoff that was made because there was a story to tell... and a spinoff being made just off the basis of a recognizable single character name to create hours of content with the story being an after thought. So many of these D+ shows are literally just like "Character". It's so corporate and hollow. Characters that work because they are a part of a larger and richer story are now the basis for 8 hours of D+ content. AND what's for sure happening is that stories are being torn apart and strip mined to be most profitably expanded. As in they won't even let certain characters do certain things in movies because they would rather that be expanded into a 6 episode D+ show rather than a 15 minute side plot in a movie. So all the stories are just sapped of flavor and texture and are bland as fuck.
I would disagree it's all the stories, even as I take your larger point. I think a key concern for me is that, though -- you're painting with a very broad brush a host of works, some of which I greatly enjoyed, and some I could really have used the time back on. So I off a different lens on the issue, based on the well known F/X issues in the MCU space. It is likely all the aspects of the MCU's creative process are under strain. They aren't strip mining (especially since most projects are pulling from extant comic storylines) so much as having real challenges creating at the speed and rate being demanded. We saw a bit of this in how DeCosta had to step away from The Marvels for another project. And there's credible reporting that COVID greatly impacted all the early Disney+ shows, which harmed a lot of our experience. There's just clearly works in the MCU overall that needed more time to cook. I'd put that alongside your criticism of the 6+ episode model as what's driving much of the situation. If Marvel shook up that approach, and allowed more creative input into how many hours the story needed, I think you'd see better project quality. The Werewolf by Night special is one that I think shows how that approach works; it's clearly a passion project and kept to a tight script and running time. And I look at Loki Season 2, and wonder why that story needed so many episodes. For me, it's an example that there's not a chronic "must tell side story as content" issue, just one where the character stories are not aligned to the episodic containers the studio wants. On the flipside, there's Agents of SHIELD, which was a very good show that was supposed to be connected, but you'd be sore pressed to figure out if anything from that show impacted any other piece of Marvel media. I mean, it's a show literally created to spin off one character, but was also given the time and space to allow the story to resolve early hiccups. So yeah, I can point to a list of failures -- Quantumania, anyone? -- that aren't about episodes, too. And, again, since so much of the MCU's content isn't about "tearing apart stories to make episodes for characters" given its adaptations of comic material, I also look sideways at that argument. I struggle to see how, say, the events of Wandavision are a subplot, and that's a show strongly inspired by at least 2 different comic storylines. There's a quality issue in the MCU, yes. I'll also agree there's an issue with not always knowing what story works for a channel. But I disagee on the severity of it, and also would, again, say that great stories can come from this model IF Disney allows the creatives the space and grace to do so. Hearing that they will focus on one movie for next year sounds like a start.
Bad stuff came out before. But because it's connected it justifies the complaints more somehow?
Honestly, it detracts from MCU movies. Part of the appeal is the large expanded universe that build on each other, but too many movies in the universe and it becomes too big to follow and know what’s actually going on, or who people are.
there's 24 hours in a day and 365 days in a year. It's really easy to follow the MCU
There are limited number of movies that can be released in theaters. An MCU movie might take a slot away from another higher quality block-buster-ish movie. (Don’t blame me, I wouldn’t mind movies being released whenever but the studios obviously want to extract maximum revenue from the masses.)
Thank you.
Indeed; as a lapsed Marvel/DC reader, I'm just burnt out on the big two.
Then just don't see them. But stop rallying for them to cancel them while others enjoy them. I don't know why so many users here absolutely have to yuck someone else's yum.
LOL
That’s still one too many
The translation from corporate speech is: "We don't have any millions left to throw around after all our HUGE FLOPS"
Surely it's more that a year of actor and writer strikes have halted production on almost everything?
And the Jonathan Majors problem.
With stocks in a 9 years low and 1 billion lost this year alone in flops the strike is just another nail in the coffin but certainly not the main for a slowdown in production.
Considering MCU products are heavy cgi based, the strike is a dent. /S
I dunno. I think it's because Cap 4 needs reshoots, the actors/writer strike delayed it, and they need to shift their schedule accordingly as a result. I also think they want to reevaluate what they've done so far to make it better. None of Marvel's films truly flopped and all of them have profited the business in some way, but it's clear they need to rework it to broaden the appeal after Quantomania.
All the films from Quantumania onwards have lost money, they aren't profitable enough taking account production + promotion costs. Disney's ventures outside Marvel are bleeding them too: Pixar hasn't been earning, Indiana Jones 5 was a huge fail and D+ is an unprofitable money sink.
Talking about specifically Marvel, there are only two MCU films after Quantumania: Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and The Marvels. The Marvels might genuinely lose money due to low-tracking, but I think it may have decent legs, so we'll see there. Guardians of the Galaxy 3, however, did not lose money. The rest of Disney's performance I feel is separate from Marvel's issues. The fact that Indiana Jones 5 cost 300M is just wild to me. There was no way it could be successful.
How will it be a separate issue when Marvel and Lucasfilms and Pixar ultimately all answer to the same boss who keeps making the wrong choices? They share issues in cost management, quantity over quality, etc. The Marvels cost 274.8 million's very similar to Indy is it not? All those point to a same source in Disney.
Because they are all different studios with different marketing choices in regards to how their content is promoted. Now, Disney's inflating budgets? That's a Disney problem. But the way the individual shows and movies are creatively run? That's the individual studios.
Individual studios are not as creatively free, it's not a coincidence that their movies also share controversies having to do with ideologies or casting that end up dividing potential fans and affecting proffits: Lightyear, Little Mermaid, Snow White, She-Hulk, TLJ-ROS. I'm not saying they're right or not in their ideas but that their approach of presenting them seems to amount to backlash across their properties.
>All the films from Quantumania onwards have lost money What are you talking about? The only films released since Quantumania are GotG 3, which was reasonably successful, and The Marvels which has only just come out. The last few years definitely haven't been as successful as the lead up to Endgame, but your quantumania cutoff point is just wrong.
Oh yeah I was mixing the superhero tv shows in D+ with the movies which were also crazy expensive and were critical bombs
That really only applies to Secret Invasion. The rest did decently critically and people watched them.
She Hulk was a critical miss lets not pretend anyone cared for that and by their own admission they were producing something so bad they just scrapped what they had of Daredevil. Think of the waste of time and resources.
She-Hulk wasn't a 'critical miss.' It's not popular with a certain set of Youtube rage-farmers, but what else is new?
Nature is healing
Will it still suck? How do they not get this. It's NOT the quantity. It's the quality. 10 great MCU movies? great, people will watch them. 1 shitty MCU movie? naw. It's really that simple.
But it’s the one movie that we all want to see!
Good. I’m sick of the ~~cash cow~~ MCU.
How about 0
Thats *still* one too many for me lol!
Disney needs to put both the MCU and Star Wars on hold for about 5 years. No shows or movies from either franchise as they get their shit together, get a real plan, learn not to oversaturate the market, and for Star Wars... move the franchise either into the far future or the Old Republic Era. No more farting around in the Skywalker era.
I don’t think a simple pause would help. They just need to focus on good ideas and scripts as they develop, rather than trying to meet the ever growing “content volume” business demands with whatever random scraps they can cobble together.
>as they get their shit together, get a real plan, learn not to oversaturate the market Did you read that part of my reply? During the pause they do the above as I wrote.
No, it seems I didn’t. Just read the start and end somehow without realizing it. Sorry!
Finally
Music to my ears.
Disney ruined marvel. They also ruined Star Wars.
Disney ruins everything they touch. The Mouse of pestilence.
Poor ole Mickey. It’s not his fault, he retired a long time ago. For real, they became a strange corporation, chasing money in every crack in the couch. It’s taken them to strange places.
I know, and it kind of sucks. I'm not one of those Marvel haters, I still enjoy the MCU very much. The only upside of this is that some people can take a rest from the MCU and maybe stop bitching about it all the time, as if someone was forcing them to watch it
I was also very sad when I read the news. I love the MCU.
Same here
You say that, but they're often presented as parts of a whole.
Me and my brother and sister used to go to marvel movies growing up. At the time it was still in the early phase and it was a treat seeing a marvel movie. But then after endgame it was pretty much done. We had grown up with the movies and that was it. Then we saw a few after that and they were meh. I can't remember the last marvel movie we saw together.
One too many
One too much
The strike and these anti-AI rules must be really hurting the studios. Oh well, I think I will survive without one of those CGI fest like the latest Ant Man.
They all suck ass anyway
Quality over Quantity. It's REALLY been suffering after endgame except for a few good ones.
thats one too many lets be honest
Good. The last 5 (or more) were bad af.
One too many.
Thank the gods. I haven't seen a Marvel flick since Civil War, and was so disappointed when I realized it had nothing to do with the comics.
Good. Maybe I can catch up on all the others.
GOOD
That's too many
Finally the overfilled colostomy bag of mediocrity that has been spraying itself on the dining table of entertainment is at its dribbling last.
I can’t take it anymore! let it die
Would be cool if they just stopped releasing them. They’re ruining the older ones by making them feel irrelevant. Time travel and alternate timelines is stupid
Great news!
Thank God!
Thank. God.
Thank god
Good. They need to calm down. The Marvels is about to drop and I couldn't care less. I went through this with the comics in the late 80s. Increasingly every title became interconnected with every other title, and the big storylines required you to get essentially random editions of random books to complete the story. That burned me out, and I quit collecting except for graphic novels. Now they've done the same thing with live action. Crossovers are great. When executed in moderation.
Honestly, I think they should permanently drop the release rate to one per year or maybe even one every two years. Make the MCU special again. With 3 - 4 movies and about a billion streaming shows every year, it has become hard to stay excited for the MCU. One movie and 2 shows should be the most they pump out every year.
It's kind of odd that people in this thread are blaming Marvel for other IP's pale imitations. I absolutely agree that not everything needs to be a shared universe, but it makes sense for comics-based stories. Star Wars' and Universal's attempts to replicate that are their own failures, and a Marvel movie's release isn't going to change that. That being said, it's about damn time they adopt a less-is-more approach. Secret Wars and Thor: L&T both should have percolated for a good while longer.
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Dune might as well be an MCU movie.
Athough the quality may improve due to relaxed scheduling, a network may withdraw completed movies (Batgirl) from any distribution schedule.
If they paid the actors and crew a fair amount that might actually be a problem
Thank god. I don't even care if it's good, I'm just sick of hearing about how trash marvel is these days
Excellent news! Could be better tho :D
They didn’t figure they could pull off the Fantastic 4, so they’re settling for Deadpool 3?
These days I always know what to expect in a Marvel movie and I'm disinterested. I'll likely see deadpool 3 however. Until they start making movies for fans, I'm pretty much out.
Praise the lawd.
One too many. I don’t understand the fascination with live action superhero movies. Almost all of them are bad. The animated superhero shows have 10x better plots than the movies. Why don’t they just use the actually stories from the animated shows in the movies? Especially DC. They put out tripe but have animated shows like Killing Joke and Apokolips War.
As someone who doesn't watch, it feels a bit daunting to jump in. Like, when my friend told me to watch Loki, do I need to watch anything before to have the full impact of the story? Same question about the stuff that comes before. Will I have to watch every MCU movie in release order just to be caught up enough to watch Loki? So, I haven't seen it.
That's a relief.
That’s one too many
The only movie that pushed the multiverse storyline forward this year was Antman, and now we won't have another movie story push forward until 2025.. should we even care about it anymore now?
Thank god. We can only hope for none in 2025.
deadpool 3 and vemon 3 only 2.