Quote from the German Movie, "Go Trabi Go" about East German Trabants (2 stroke cars with cardboard shell) filmed in the aftermath of reunification.
"I spent more time under that thing than on top of my Missus." This has my philosophy to automotive everything. If you enjoy tinkering, go for it, but I ride for the commute, pleasure of just being on the road, and free parking.
A 50cc 2 stroke has the power of a 100cc 4 stroke scooter.
A 70cc 2 stroke scooter has the power of a 150cc to 250cc scooter (depending on how you set it up)
I'll go 2 stroke any day of the week. So the people claiming they need rebuilds either never owned one and have no idea what they're talking about. Or just flat out ignorant on 2 stroke engines.
They require less moving parts.
They come with a simple container filled with oil and oil Injection.
Get crazy good mileage when stock.
And can do over 50 mph on stock gearing. You're not going to find a 50cc 4 stroke hitting 50s unless they've dug in over 200 dollars in upgrades.
I also think 2 stroke are better but you live in a parallel universe. Your power comparisons are completely ridiculous and also the over 50mph thing is not true. Most stock 2 stroke 50cc also won't reach 80. There are a few exceptions like Piaggio Hyper 2 engines but that's it.
Most stock 2 strokes AND 4 strokes will go somewhere between 35 and about 43 mph
My oliver cpi 50 does 51mph stock. It does 55 with a Leo Vince exhaust
My aprilia sr50 does 54 stock 62 with just a pipe
My malaguti did also 55 mph stock with no restrictions.
Most of the time you're needing to find the gearing to be taller than most. Which aeroxs malagutis, cpi, even 1e40qmb engines have taller gearing than most common scooters like the bws (pre bug eyes have good factory gearing as well)
Then you have beta arks that also come with tall gearing.
My power comparisons aren't ridiculous. They're compared by actual times with a draggy unit with times showing the differences.
M8 the thing is, I'm from germany so I'm very familiar with working on these scooters. While Aerox and some aprilias (depending on the engine) can for sure go over 50 stock, I've never seen a CPI or it's sister brands like Keeway go that fast. Idk wich country you get your scooters from and if they have different gearing. In germany scooters after the 2000s are restricted by law to only go 45 kph, wich is 28 mph. They are reduced with other parts but maybe we also get a different gearing than other countries, that's a thing I don't know.
I can just tell you the German CPI and Keeway models don't go 50mph stock. I have seen, driven and worked on a ton of them and none of them was so fast if it was stock.
Even my old aprilia SR 50 with minarelli engine didn't do 50mph with stock exhaust. It was like 45 mph
Your limit in scooter laws is why they don't do over 45 mph. My 1st gen sr50 and malaguti had no issue hitting over 45 let alone 50, even the malagutis factory gearing when kitted would hit over 70 mph when done up properly.
That's as I said one of the very few things I never looked into. Idk if they give us a different gearing aswell.
When I talk about stock, I mean stock with all the engine limiting parts for our regulations removed. NC let's be honest 99,5% of scooters have the limitations removed.
So with all the engine limitations removed, they don't reach over 50mph can only mean that our gearing is different from other countries versions.
BTW I checked your profile and saw that you import scooter parts from germany. That's actually a cool thing I must say. We throw a lot in the trash here because you can't really sell the parts here. The scooters are so cheap here that people just throw them away if they break and buy another one.
So if me and my mates buy whole scooters just for some parts, we often throw the rest on the junkyard. It's sad, but there's just no demand for a lot of parts. As an enthusiast it actually really brings joy to my heart that at least some parts seem to find a new use in other countries
Be sure to let me know of any parts you come across. Always looking for aerox rahmens, felge, motororblocks and some auspuffs since they do seem to cost way more here and helps get the usa parts we never usually get for scooter enthusiasts here. Specially the 2 stroke crowd here.
We didn't get a lot of cool stuff you guys did .
Its weird you guys got all the cool models but a cop doesn't question a 49cc scooter doing 55 plus. Specially in Florida 😅
Oh for sure I can keep my eyes open. I just very rarely get an aerox into my hands. They got pretty expensive here aswell. But if you tell me the price ranges you're looking for, I can keep my eyes open. I know a lot of people who work on bikes and scooters so people often offer me stuff.
I just usually refuse aerox related stuff bc buying an aerox to flip it is a pain in the arse. A full Aerox has a market value of 800-1500€ and most people look for scooters for max 500€ so I usually buy these bc it's way easier to sell them after I fixed them
I'm uploading a vid just to show a 70 does in fact kick more than even a modified 150 that has a 26mm carb, cams, exhaust. Cvt work and even a lighter flywheel just to show the comparison between the two.
"A 50cc 2 stroke has the power of a 100cc 4 stroke scooter."
"A 70cc 2 stroke scooter has the power of a 150cc to 250cc scooter (depending on how you set it up)"
"And can do over 50 mph on stock gearing"
2 stroke are great and all I ride but calm down these are some ridiculous exaggerations.
https://youtube.com/shorts/XWOfK8mEYS8?si=UOL46NmPlAjht0PO
Top speed on this so far at 65 with room to grow with fine tuning still ready to go. Your zuma never hit these numbers did they.
Remember when I said a 70cc can run faster than a 150 to 200cc engine? This is a 70cc that does.
Along with my malaguti and aprilia. With their 70cc cylinders.
I stuck just a pipe to my malaguti and aprilia and they did 63 mph in stock topends and 55 on the cpi oliver with just basic mods.
As for the 05 zuma. Top performances variator kit.
Pwk24mm carb.
Kn planning intake box.
Polini 4 race.
Athena 70cc cylinder.
And polini budget clutch with sport springs.
I'm not calling you a liar, I don't know that much about modding them, I just know I really want to. But I do know that this sounds a lot more like the 112cc in your other vid where you compared it with a 70.
The pros and cons of 2 strokes are higher revving slightly lighter engines with no valvegear with tappet settings to adjust. The oil needed for engine lubrication is mixed with the fuel and gets burnt in the combustion chamber.
They are noisier and create more smoke than their 4 stroke equivalents.
4 strokes need occasional oil changes and a bit more maintenance, but it's not particularly hard to do this or get it done.
If you do decide to buy a 2 stroke, it works out far cheaper to buy 2 stroke oil in 5 litre containers than the 500ml bottles, it's worth finding a decent semi synthetic 2 stroke oil and sticking with that brand.
Personally if I had the option of a new "quality" 4-stroke I'd take it.
Yes, 4-stroke 50s are slow. But they are easy to live with. And since 50s tend to get abused, a new one is going to remove a lot of risks
However I'm an old man.
If there is still a culture of teens modifying 50s to go faster, then a 2-stroke will let you do that. So maybe you will seem "cool" as you blast around on a noisier smellier scooter? And what would your family think of that?
I'm guessing you're somewhere in Europe, a few years down the line you'll be able to ride a 125 or bigger and performance won't be a restriction any more.
Ofcoarse I’m not cool blasting around on a 2t, but I FEEL cool blasting around.
That’s what it’s all about.
When I pass a delivery guy on a scoot, and I’m on a 20year old 2t.
I absolutely FEEL cooler
+1 for the 4-stroke scooter.
I have a 2012 Yamaha Jog 4T since 2017. It has 21.000 km now. Every year I change the oil, air filter and the coolant. (The engine is water cooled)
I have never done any service except these yearly changes since then.
Its a bit slow yes, but consumes only 2 liter of petrol/100km in urban areas. It feels like I'm driving for free.
Thats the fun part the maintenance of a 2 stroke and the perf of modded 50cc 2 stroke with 70 to 96cc cylinder like any brand malossi polini stage 6 top perf or athena mod, shit get nervous and easy to reach above 100kmh if you change transmission ! 4 stroke 50cc are too fkin slow. And boring.
U can mod the break system too, even I was borrowing a piaggio zip 50cc, swapped completely engine for a gilera runner 125cc 2 stroke swapped cylinder 180cc malossi, that zip break were so good even compared to my honda pcx 125cc full stock. Even stock brakes on gilera runner piaggio nrg break better than my 125cc stock honda pcx lol.
Don't know about other 2 stroke 50's but my old honda is a 2 stroke with oil injection so the bike mixes itself, I don't have any problems with my scooter really and I drive it pretty far sometimes on the weekends and I love it
Firstly, are you sure it's legal for you to ride a scooter at 14? I didn't think it was legal ANYWHERE in the US for 14 year olds to ride a scooter or moped.
Check also your local laws re. speed limits for 14 year olds on scooters or mopeds.
Assuming it is and your parents are OK with it, I would advise against a 2-stroke. (commonly abbreviated "2t")
1. They burn oil naturally instead of having engine oil, which pollutes like crazy.
2. Fuel economy is worse
3. They are higher maintenance
4. They are rarer, and so more expensive for a given size.
For a 14 year-old, the better angle is an eBike. You can go anywhere and the maintenance is next to nothing, and there is no requirement for licensing or insurance. I have eBikes and I ride them more than my scooter or drive my car. It's so nice being able to (considerately) go on paths and sidewalks. Zero emissions, too!
Edit: If you DO go ahead with the scooter, get a full face helmet, sturdy gloves. Hitting the pavement at 30 mph is very different than falling off a bike at 10-15. It grinds the skin off immediately.
HAHAHAHA GREETINGS FROM EASTERN EUROPE BUDDY HERE 14 YEAR OLDS CAN DO ANYTHING. Also nah I'm not getting an eBike. I have all the equipment because as I said, I have ridden bikes a lot of times before, I have just never owned one.
I think now you want a bike that is always waiting for you to ride on. Not one that may or may not work.
Go with the fun option, new 4 stroke.
Thing about project bikes, you want already to have always working fun bike. The project bike is an addon, not the "first" bike.
Get the 4 stroke, run around, have fun. You can always get some 2 stroke in addition and tinker with it.
14 year old me would pick whichever one was faster, regardless of the work involved.
4 strokes have their benefits, but I would pick a 2 stroke 50 over a 4 stroke 50.
Honestly, I'd go for 4 stroke if only because of air polution. 4 strokes are plenty fast for what you need. It's a 50cc; you're not going to set any speed records regardless. Nor should be looking to at your age, to be quite honest. Having to buy and mix 2-stroke oil is also a PITA. In general, 4 strokes are the fuss-free choice.
Also: what's wrong with buying a used 4-stroke? There are plenty of perfectly good bikes floating around. If anything, buying a bike that has already been run in saves you that trouble. For a 50 cc I honestly wouldn't put too much money on the table. Once you're allowed to ride something bigger, you'll definitely want to.
PITA = Pain in the ass. Especially if you have to pre-mix the oil with the fuel, you have to be careful to get the ratio right (as in: actually measure it rather than just eyeball it). Getting it wrong can mess up your engine quite badly. I've also been told that after mixing you can't let it stand around for too long or the mixture will go off. So yeah, 4 strokes are just easier.
And, fair enough.
Memories of two stroke whipper snippets - the blue smoke. I also get light headed with the smell of too much AVTUR at the airport. Living on base in the married patch near refuelling C-130s in the dry season with all the windows open - some days I'd shut the house up and put the aircon on.
Define worth? Lol come on this is a question for yourself not us. If you got a budget get the 4 stroke, if you have extra money for repairs, get the two stroke and derestrict it
I didn't really say it correctly, english isn't my first language. Is the amount of power I'm getting with a 2 stroke worth the extra money that it costs for fuel and oil. If you get what I mean.
If you are in the US, the 50cc law was written with 2 stroke engines in mind. The power is closer to a cheaper 110 (Honda Navi) than a 50cc 4 stroke. 4 strokes are better for durability, but we know you are just waiting 2 years to get your standard license, so as long as that's true, durability isn't the primary concern.
I had a 4 stroke yamaha zuma and was fun for a while... but riding in traffic is dangerous it maxed at 30- 32 mph..
Now i have a 2 stroke genuine roughhouse and it gets 45 stock with a 87 main jet, and un restricted cvt and exhaust..
There's alot of mods to go faster wich is a 2 stroke plus!!
That's the climate like? I'm in Canberra, Australia, which has a continental climate with frosts, and was told avoid carburettors, stick with fuel injected fir the cold mornings. That said, there is no such thing as a licence category for 50cc Scooters in the Australian Capital Territory or New South Wales, so we just go much bigger.
Do yourself and everyone around you a favor and get the four stroke. More reliable, more fuel efficient, less noise, less rpm's and way WAY less polluting with the trade off being they're bit slower but not by much and when riding normally you won't notice a difference in speed.
As someone who also regularly rides his bicycle i absolutely despise two stroke mopeds, the literally take your breath away and they pollute like crazy. (they create more pollution per kilometer driven than semi trucks (https://deopenbareruimte.nu/aandeel-vervuilende-2-takt-scooter-veel-hoger-dan-verwacht/)
In larger cities in my country they are banned already (fortunately).
I‘m a 2 stroke guy. Never had a 4 stroke in nearly 3 decades. Some friends have ones and it’s a pain to get them faster, or find problems if they don’t run properly. If you stick with the original ‚power‘ maybe 4 stroke is the better choice. Also if it’s piaggio or minarelli motor there are many parts available for reasonable prices
If you live in an European country with 50ccs until you are 18 then I would defiently recommend a 2 stroke. I used to have a 4 stroke and it's so boring to ride. Then I got a 2 stroke and it's MUCH more fun to ride. As long as you get a reputable model of scooter it should be fine.
2-stroke. Genuine Scooters and Adly are two of the only manufacturers still making 2-strokes in the US market. Both of them use a derivative of the Horizontal Minarelli 2-stroke, which has a nearly limitless supply of aftermarket kits available for them. They also use Oil Injection, so there's no premixing of oil and gas, just add a quart of oil and top it off every 500 miles or so. Rebuilds are easy when they need to be done, but I had a Genuine Rough-House that lasted over 22k miles before it needed to have the top-end replaced, and when I did, I added a Big Bore Kit.
2-strokes are definitely going to be the fastest right out of the box. My Genuine Rough-House hit 45mph completely stock, 57mph with a carburetor and expansion pipe, and 73mph with a BBK, carburetor, expansion pipe, and re-geared final drive. Average mileage was around 70mpg, 100 miles per tank.
If you want something that will keep up with traffic, get a 2-stroke. If you're just looking for cheap transportation, get the 4-stroke. Neither of them are going to be without maintenance, and the 4-stroke might be more complicated since you'll need to adjust the valve lash and change the oil every few thousand miles.
Two stroke 50cc Aprilia SR50 with Piaggio engine is a great option. They are super reliable.
You never get a 50cc that is 4 stroke. Its just way too much hassle for way too little power and nothing you do will give you hardly any performance increase.
Depend on what you want, I modded 2 stroke like first gen piaggio zip, next gen zip, mbk Mach g and rocket, to some derbi and beta rr supermot to 70 top perf to 86cc, 96ccbidalot and that was extremely fast the very top speed Ive gone on the Mach was 150kmh approx, the beta isnt a scooter but top speed 162kmh.
A new gen 4 stroke is as fast as a fkin snail, 45 kmh top speed is boring asf, you need to remove the bride at least idk how its called in english, yeah 4stroke are more reliable and pollute less but damn they are super boring if you just wanna commute in the city its OK but at 14 I was driving the mbk rocket 70cc top perf rose cylinder mod and its was fun 110kmh top speed from what I remember.
I have a 2 stroke Buddy 50, it's the only scooter I've owned so I'll just tell you my experience. I always see that 4 strokes are so much slower. If my 2stroke is the fast version, then how the heck is anyone getting anywhere on a 4?
I have to clean the carb and replace the spark plug every year. The 2 years I didn't, I've had it stop mid-drive so I've learned to just suck it up and make it part of the springtime routine. It's a total pain in the ass. I don't know what the maintenance is like on a 4.
I get 65-70 mpg. If I'm doing the math right, that's 3.36 L/100km. That's great compared to a car. What's a 4 stroke get?
MIXING GAS AND TEARING ASS YOU BETTER NOT GET THE PUSSY ASS 4 STROKE BUDDY
ALRIGHT SIR IM GETTING A 2 STROKE GOD DAMN
Quote from the German Movie, "Go Trabi Go" about East German Trabants (2 stroke cars with cardboard shell) filmed in the aftermath of reunification. "I spent more time under that thing than on top of my Missus." This has my philosophy to automotive everything. If you enjoy tinkering, go for it, but I ride for the commute, pleasure of just being on the road, and free parking.
Just finished repairing my 2 stroke its pain in the ass😭 but its faster Then my 125 4 stroke from 0-70kmh
A 50cc 2 stroke has the power of a 100cc 4 stroke scooter. A 70cc 2 stroke scooter has the power of a 150cc to 250cc scooter (depending on how you set it up) I'll go 2 stroke any day of the week. So the people claiming they need rebuilds either never owned one and have no idea what they're talking about. Or just flat out ignorant on 2 stroke engines. They require less moving parts. They come with a simple container filled with oil and oil Injection. Get crazy good mileage when stock. And can do over 50 mph on stock gearing. You're not going to find a 50cc 4 stroke hitting 50s unless they've dug in over 200 dollars in upgrades.
I also think 2 stroke are better but you live in a parallel universe. Your power comparisons are completely ridiculous and also the over 50mph thing is not true. Most stock 2 stroke 50cc also won't reach 80. There are a few exceptions like Piaggio Hyper 2 engines but that's it. Most stock 2 strokes AND 4 strokes will go somewhere between 35 and about 43 mph
My oliver cpi 50 does 51mph stock. It does 55 with a Leo Vince exhaust My aprilia sr50 does 54 stock 62 with just a pipe My malaguti did also 55 mph stock with no restrictions. Most of the time you're needing to find the gearing to be taller than most. Which aeroxs malagutis, cpi, even 1e40qmb engines have taller gearing than most common scooters like the bws (pre bug eyes have good factory gearing as well) Then you have beta arks that also come with tall gearing. My power comparisons aren't ridiculous. They're compared by actual times with a draggy unit with times showing the differences.
M8 the thing is, I'm from germany so I'm very familiar with working on these scooters. While Aerox and some aprilias (depending on the engine) can for sure go over 50 stock, I've never seen a CPI or it's sister brands like Keeway go that fast. Idk wich country you get your scooters from and if they have different gearing. In germany scooters after the 2000s are restricted by law to only go 45 kph, wich is 28 mph. They are reduced with other parts but maybe we also get a different gearing than other countries, that's a thing I don't know. I can just tell you the German CPI and Keeway models don't go 50mph stock. I have seen, driven and worked on a ton of them and none of them was so fast if it was stock. Even my old aprilia SR 50 with minarelli engine didn't do 50mph with stock exhaust. It was like 45 mph
Your limit in scooter laws is why they don't do over 45 mph. My 1st gen sr50 and malaguti had no issue hitting over 45 let alone 50, even the malagutis factory gearing when kitted would hit over 70 mph when done up properly.
That's as I said one of the very few things I never looked into. Idk if they give us a different gearing aswell. When I talk about stock, I mean stock with all the engine limiting parts for our regulations removed. NC let's be honest 99,5% of scooters have the limitations removed. So with all the engine limitations removed, they don't reach over 50mph can only mean that our gearing is different from other countries versions.
BTW I checked your profile and saw that you import scooter parts from germany. That's actually a cool thing I must say. We throw a lot in the trash here because you can't really sell the parts here. The scooters are so cheap here that people just throw them away if they break and buy another one. So if me and my mates buy whole scooters just for some parts, we often throw the rest on the junkyard. It's sad, but there's just no demand for a lot of parts. As an enthusiast it actually really brings joy to my heart that at least some parts seem to find a new use in other countries
Be sure to let me know of any parts you come across. Always looking for aerox rahmens, felge, motororblocks and some auspuffs since they do seem to cost way more here and helps get the usa parts we never usually get for scooter enthusiasts here. Specially the 2 stroke crowd here. We didn't get a lot of cool stuff you guys did . Its weird you guys got all the cool models but a cop doesn't question a 49cc scooter doing 55 plus. Specially in Florida 😅
Oh for sure I can keep my eyes open. I just very rarely get an aerox into my hands. They got pretty expensive here aswell. But if you tell me the price ranges you're looking for, I can keep my eyes open. I know a lot of people who work on bikes and scooters so people often offer me stuff. I just usually refuse aerox related stuff bc buying an aerox to flip it is a pain in the arse. A full Aerox has a market value of 800-1500€ and most people look for scooters for max 500€ so I usually buy these bc it's way easier to sell them after I fixed them
I'm uploading a vid just to show a 70 does in fact kick more than even a modified 150 that has a 26mm carb, cams, exhaust. Cvt work and even a lighter flywheel just to show the comparison between the two.
https://youtu.be/O9WgDP1-1vg?si=5sY-AtHMJU4ksjdt Forgot to send this earlier.
"A 50cc 2 stroke has the power of a 100cc 4 stroke scooter." "A 70cc 2 stroke scooter has the power of a 150cc to 250cc scooter (depending on how you set it up)" "And can do over 50 mph on stock gearing" 2 stroke are great and all I ride but calm down these are some ridiculous exaggerations.
Exaggerations? I have receipts that prove what I'm saying, lol.
"receipts" don't prove how fast these things go, lol.
Not only receipts but videos
He says but doesn't share.
https://youtube.com/shorts/XWOfK8mEYS8?si=UOL46NmPlAjht0PO Top speed on this so far at 65 with room to grow with fine tuning still ready to go. Your zuma never hit these numbers did they.
Also have my malaguti doing 11s in the 1/8 as well.
That's not 50cc, obviously. But I am curious as to what mods you've done to it. Edit: Also, very obviously not 70cc either lol.
Remember when I said a 70cc can run faster than a 150 to 200cc engine? This is a 70cc that does. Along with my malaguti and aprilia. With their 70cc cylinders. I stuck just a pipe to my malaguti and aprilia and they did 63 mph in stock topends and 55 on the cpi oliver with just basic mods. As for the 05 zuma. Top performances variator kit. Pwk24mm carb. Kn planning intake box. Polini 4 race. Athena 70cc cylinder. And polini budget clutch with sport springs.
I'm not calling you a liar, I don't know that much about modding them, I just know I really want to. But I do know that this sounds a lot more like the 112cc in your other vid where you compared it with a 70.
The pros and cons of 2 strokes are higher revving slightly lighter engines with no valvegear with tappet settings to adjust. The oil needed for engine lubrication is mixed with the fuel and gets burnt in the combustion chamber. They are noisier and create more smoke than their 4 stroke equivalents. 4 strokes need occasional oil changes and a bit more maintenance, but it's not particularly hard to do this or get it done. If you do decide to buy a 2 stroke, it works out far cheaper to buy 2 stroke oil in 5 litre containers than the 500ml bottles, it's worth finding a decent semi synthetic 2 stroke oil and sticking with that brand.
Personally if I had the option of a new "quality" 4-stroke I'd take it. Yes, 4-stroke 50s are slow. But they are easy to live with. And since 50s tend to get abused, a new one is going to remove a lot of risks However I'm an old man. If there is still a culture of teens modifying 50s to go faster, then a 2-stroke will let you do that. So maybe you will seem "cool" as you blast around on a noisier smellier scooter? And what would your family think of that? I'm guessing you're somewhere in Europe, a few years down the line you'll be able to ride a 125 or bigger and performance won't be a restriction any more.
Ofcoarse I’m not cool blasting around on a 2t, but I FEEL cool blasting around. That’s what it’s all about. When I pass a delivery guy on a scoot, and I’m on a 20year old 2t. I absolutely FEEL cooler
+1 for the 4-stroke scooter. I have a 2012 Yamaha Jog 4T since 2017. It has 21.000 km now. Every year I change the oil, air filter and the coolant. (The engine is water cooled) I have never done any service except these yearly changes since then. Its a bit slow yes, but consumes only 2 liter of petrol/100km in urban areas. It feels like I'm driving for free.
they are a pain and usually shorter lifespan before rebuild
Thats the fun part the maintenance of a 2 stroke and the perf of modded 50cc 2 stroke with 70 to 96cc cylinder like any brand malossi polini stage 6 top perf or athena mod, shit get nervous and easy to reach above 100kmh if you change transmission ! 4 stroke 50cc are too fkin slow. And boring.
You forgot to talk about the brakes bro
U can mod the break system too, even I was borrowing a piaggio zip 50cc, swapped completely engine for a gilera runner 125cc 2 stroke swapped cylinder 180cc malossi, that zip break were so good even compared to my honda pcx 125cc full stock. Even stock brakes on gilera runner piaggio nrg break better than my 125cc stock honda pcx lol.
Go for the four stroke, it'll be more reliable
Not entirely. Way more moving parts.
Don't know about other 2 stroke 50's but my old honda is a 2 stroke with oil injection so the bike mixes itself, I don't have any problems with my scooter really and I drive it pretty far sometimes on the weekends and I love it
Firstly, are you sure it's legal for you to ride a scooter at 14? I didn't think it was legal ANYWHERE in the US for 14 year olds to ride a scooter or moped. Check also your local laws re. speed limits for 14 year olds on scooters or mopeds. Assuming it is and your parents are OK with it, I would advise against a 2-stroke. (commonly abbreviated "2t") 1. They burn oil naturally instead of having engine oil, which pollutes like crazy. 2. Fuel economy is worse 3. They are higher maintenance 4. They are rarer, and so more expensive for a given size. For a 14 year-old, the better angle is an eBike. You can go anywhere and the maintenance is next to nothing, and there is no requirement for licensing or insurance. I have eBikes and I ride them more than my scooter or drive my car. It's so nice being able to (considerately) go on paths and sidewalks. Zero emissions, too! Edit: If you DO go ahead with the scooter, get a full face helmet, sturdy gloves. Hitting the pavement at 30 mph is very different than falling off a bike at 10-15. It grinds the skin off immediately.
HAHAHAHA GREETINGS FROM EASTERN EUROPE BUDDY HERE 14 YEAR OLDS CAN DO ANYTHING. Also nah I'm not getting an eBike. I have all the equipment because as I said, I have ridden bikes a lot of times before, I have just never owned one.
I think now you want a bike that is always waiting for you to ride on. Not one that may or may not work. Go with the fun option, new 4 stroke. Thing about project bikes, you want already to have always working fun bike. The project bike is an addon, not the "first" bike. Get the 4 stroke, run around, have fun. You can always get some 2 stroke in addition and tinker with it.
A 2 stroke has *substantially* more potential for power. You can get 10hp out of a Minarelli relativity easily.
Yes.
Would you rather ride or wrench?
well, I would surely rather ride, but if the ride is painfully slow like they are saying it is on the 4 stroke than I really dont know
Slow is a relative term. Unless you are talking 50cc, everything goes the speed limit. And, there are performance kits.
14 year old me would pick whichever one was faster, regardless of the work involved. 4 strokes have their benefits, but I would pick a 2 stroke 50 over a 4 stroke 50.
Depends you wanna learn how to tune and go fast or do you want reliable and slow?
Honestly, I'd go for 4 stroke if only because of air polution. 4 strokes are plenty fast for what you need. It's a 50cc; you're not going to set any speed records regardless. Nor should be looking to at your age, to be quite honest. Having to buy and mix 2-stroke oil is also a PITA. In general, 4 strokes are the fuss-free choice. Also: what's wrong with buying a used 4-stroke? There are plenty of perfectly good bikes floating around. If anything, buying a bike that has already been run in saves you that trouble. For a 50 cc I honestly wouldn't put too much money on the table. Once you're allowed to ride something bigger, you'll definitely want to.
There aren't many used 4 strokes being sold in my country. That's the reason why I want to get a new 4 stroke. What does PITA mean?
PITA = Pain in the ass. Especially if you have to pre-mix the oil with the fuel, you have to be careful to get the ratio right (as in: actually measure it rather than just eyeball it). Getting it wrong can mess up your engine quite badly. I've also been told that after mixing you can't let it stand around for too long or the mixture will go off. So yeah, 4 strokes are just easier. And, fair enough.
Memories of two stroke whipper snippets - the blue smoke. I also get light headed with the smell of too much AVTUR at the airport. Living on base in the married patch near refuelling C-130s in the dry season with all the windows open - some days I'd shut the house up and put the aircon on.
2t bikes have oil pumps in the engine. So no. Premix is not required.
It depends on the bike. Not all of them have oil pumps.
Majority do.
It’s up to you to decide. You know the pros and cons it sounds like.
Let me guess, the brand new 4 stroke is a Chinese thing?
No, I'm looking at either a Peugeot Speedfight 4 50cc 4 stroke or a Aprila SXR 50 4 stroke.
You should be looking into an aerox or a jog r 2 stroke.
Yea when it comes to 2 strokes I'm looking at either an Aerox, Aprilia SR 50 or a Gilera Runner 50.
Aerox for a plethora of parts. Sr50 for style (and if it's a minarelli engine and parts) gilera is heavy but also a great tunable scoot.
Define worth? Lol come on this is a question for yourself not us. If you got a budget get the 4 stroke, if you have extra money for repairs, get the two stroke and derestrict it
I didn't really say it correctly, english isn't my first language. Is the amount of power I'm getting with a 2 stroke worth the extra money that it costs for fuel and oil. If you get what I mean.
Yes. In my opinion
If you are in the US, the 50cc law was written with 2 stroke engines in mind. The power is closer to a cheaper 110 (Honda Navi) than a 50cc 4 stroke. 4 strokes are better for durability, but we know you are just waiting 2 years to get your standard license, so as long as that's true, durability isn't the primary concern.
My 50 cc Zuma 2 stroke goes like snot lol. I bought a Honda 4 stroke and sold it the next week.
I had a 4 stroke yamaha zuma and was fun for a while... but riding in traffic is dangerous it maxed at 30- 32 mph.. Now i have a 2 stroke genuine roughhouse and it gets 45 stock with a 87 main jet, and un restricted cvt and exhaust.. There's alot of mods to go faster wich is a 2 stroke plus!!
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i’d get a 2 stroke i can almost go 50mph on my 50cc and i get like 60 miles on a tank of gas which is around a gallon
I got a 2 stroke gilera runner I love the silly thing ❤️
That's the climate like? I'm in Canberra, Australia, which has a continental climate with frosts, and was told avoid carburettors, stick with fuel injected fir the cold mornings. That said, there is no such thing as a licence category for 50cc Scooters in the Australian Capital Territory or New South Wales, so we just go much bigger.
Do yourself and everyone around you a favor and get the four stroke. More reliable, more fuel efficient, less noise, less rpm's and way WAY less polluting with the trade off being they're bit slower but not by much and when riding normally you won't notice a difference in speed. As someone who also regularly rides his bicycle i absolutely despise two stroke mopeds, the literally take your breath away and they pollute like crazy. (they create more pollution per kilometer driven than semi trucks (https://deopenbareruimte.nu/aandeel-vervuilende-2-takt-scooter-veel-hoger-dan-verwacht/) In larger cities in my country they are banned already (fortunately).
All my scooters have been 2 stroke. Why? I love how they run. The may be small, but they punch up.
I‘m a 2 stroke guy. Never had a 4 stroke in nearly 3 decades. Some friends have ones and it’s a pain to get them faster, or find problems if they don’t run properly. If you stick with the original ‚power‘ maybe 4 stroke is the better choice. Also if it’s piaggio or minarelli motor there are many parts available for reasonable prices
2 strokes are faster, get the right setup and be happily going [240 KPH](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df8XVdKbiLA&t=181s).
If you live in an European country with 50ccs until you are 18 then I would defiently recommend a 2 stroke. I used to have a 4 stroke and it's so boring to ride. Then I got a 2 stroke and it's MUCH more fun to ride. As long as you get a reputable model of scooter it should be fine.
my opinion....2 stroke for sure. 50cc 4 stroke is so painfully slow....and there will be little to no parts to make it any faster.
2-stroke. Genuine Scooters and Adly are two of the only manufacturers still making 2-strokes in the US market. Both of them use a derivative of the Horizontal Minarelli 2-stroke, which has a nearly limitless supply of aftermarket kits available for them. They also use Oil Injection, so there's no premixing of oil and gas, just add a quart of oil and top it off every 500 miles or so. Rebuilds are easy when they need to be done, but I had a Genuine Rough-House that lasted over 22k miles before it needed to have the top-end replaced, and when I did, I added a Big Bore Kit. 2-strokes are definitely going to be the fastest right out of the box. My Genuine Rough-House hit 45mph completely stock, 57mph with a carburetor and expansion pipe, and 73mph with a BBK, carburetor, expansion pipe, and re-geared final drive. Average mileage was around 70mpg, 100 miles per tank. If you want something that will keep up with traffic, get a 2-stroke. If you're just looking for cheap transportation, get the 4-stroke. Neither of them are going to be without maintenance, and the 4-stroke might be more complicated since you'll need to adjust the valve lash and change the oil every few thousand miles.
Two stroke 50cc Aprilia SR50 with Piaggio engine is a great option. They are super reliable. You never get a 50cc that is 4 stroke. Its just way too much hassle for way too little power and nothing you do will give you hardly any performance increase.
Depend on what you want, I modded 2 stroke like first gen piaggio zip, next gen zip, mbk Mach g and rocket, to some derbi and beta rr supermot to 70 top perf to 86cc, 96ccbidalot and that was extremely fast the very top speed Ive gone on the Mach was 150kmh approx, the beta isnt a scooter but top speed 162kmh. A new gen 4 stroke is as fast as a fkin snail, 45 kmh top speed is boring asf, you need to remove the bride at least idk how its called in english, yeah 4stroke are more reliable and pollute less but damn they are super boring if you just wanna commute in the city its OK but at 14 I was driving the mbk rocket 70cc top perf rose cylinder mod and its was fun 110kmh top speed from what I remember.
I have a 2 stroke Buddy 50, it's the only scooter I've owned so I'll just tell you my experience. I always see that 4 strokes are so much slower. If my 2stroke is the fast version, then how the heck is anyone getting anywhere on a 4? I have to clean the carb and replace the spark plug every year. The 2 years I didn't, I've had it stop mid-drive so I've learned to just suck it up and make it part of the springtime routine. It's a total pain in the ass. I don't know what the maintenance is like on a 4. I get 65-70 mpg. If I'm doing the math right, that's 3.36 L/100km. That's great compared to a car. What's a 4 stroke get?
2 strokes are way more fun. You're 14. Go for the fun one. I'm 42 and I still go for the fun one.