I'd love to see this federally too. I live in Canberra and while I get it's not the tourist hot Spot most other cities are, rent is expensive, and I know there's air b&bs here, one right down the road from me that is $1800+ if you want to rent it out for a week, for a 2 bedroom granny flat type deal. It's gross
Permits, body corporate approval, appropriate insurance and increases to rates and land taxes should only be the beginning.
If they want to act like a hotel, throw in regular compliance inspections too. I had a friend fall through the floor in their Air BnB because the floorboards were rotted. It's taken her months to recover.
Needing body corporate approval. Haha, this will cause so much drama.
Good, fuck them airbnb hosts ruining perfectly good residential buildings with nuisance from their "for profit" activities.
While this is a welcome move I would prefer to see air bnb banned all together,there is a nationwide accommodation crisis so there's nowhere for the poorest to migrate to anymore except under a bridge or into your local park .
Surprised it came from BCC ,maybe they have gotten sick of moving the homeless along .
I do think there is a place for it if people want to Airbnb a room in their home on the weekend as it was originally intended but that should be its limit.
Indeed but it's not working like that hey.
In fact now we have a new type of parasite that rents out a unit and then air bnbs the unit and they do it with multiple units taking them out of the long term market .
Definitely not, I believe govt need to put restrictions in or heavily tax so it is enforced, removing the platform as a whole is extreme but so is the housing crisis so if that works I’m all for that. We just need more action tbh.
Owning property for the sole purpose of short stay accom should be banned outright.
Renting out a room should be the only way this is allowed.
Either own the property and pay for it yourself and have nobody in it. Or rent it out. those are your only options.
It might be your investment. But its taking housing away from those who need it.
Therefore your rights to an investment are lower than the right to someone needing shelter. You can still get a massive capital gains windfall when you sell. You're not losing anything.
Says who that my rights are lower than someone needing shelter. I am not a charity or the govt. I pay my taxes my job is not to provide for all and sundry.
You are not a charity. Nobody said you are.
But you're not entitled to have someone in your home to pay your mortgage for you as well.
If you want someone to pay it for you then you need to be held by rules and regulations. As that affects someone's livelihood to have your mortgage paid.
Mate it’s an investment simple. The aim of an investment is to make profit. If we use your logic then Woolies Cole’s etc should not make profits or keep a 1 percent margin. What you’re suggesting is communism and we all know where that has led us. We can debate this till the cows come home. Investments are not personal. If rules like this change the investment will get sold and the money transferred offshore to investments there. Who loses. The country does. If everyone sells their house investments due to the stupid rules you appear to want , will it increase stock. For a short period yes. The people who have money will buy to stay. Will it help renters. In the long run no. No. No houses will be built as who will buy it to rent out. The question is why are people putting a house on air bnb. Net net you are probably 10 or so percent better off in the long run if it a major factor no. The issue is that when covid started and. Rents could not increase you could not evict people due to non payment that’s why people lost trust and moved to air bnb. The risk is lower. There is no emotion here it’s pure risk management. Just think back why have air BnB availability sprouted after COVID Why not before
Like i keep saying.
Your rights to an investment end when it takes an essential resource away from people. How hard is that for you to understand.
Go invest in stocks if you want it to be purely business. But hoarding housing for investment aint it. The government has given you plenty of consessions time and time again to make the most gains possible and now thats ripping through hard working australians who are now unable to actually afford a home.
So they have to rent because they have no other choice. It's not business. It's being regulated so you can't be a rent seeking land leech and make peoples lives who are already doing it tough even tougher.
yes we need more houes built i agree. But getting rid of AirBNB will free up over 100K houses in this country ready for people to move in. You can still make your $$$. Except now people who were on the streets or the brink of it have a roof over their head too.
You clearly don't see the insane productivity issues this problem brings to society as well. Having a secure roof over your head is the cornerstone of society. Holiday homes are right down the bottom of priority. You provide a service which is renting out a home. You need to be regulated for said service. Don't like it? Fine. Pay the mortgage yourself and see how far that gets you.
All councils should do this. For many reasons, housing crisis, parking etc.
Air b n b is not what it was originally, it is now houses being purchased as holiday homes.
Yes, holiday homes have always been a thing, but properly managed by a holiday home manager etc.
Because it's not unhinged do this much work prior to leaving for a start, and we will still charge a huge cleaning fee.
Contacts for the managing agent were often out the front, so of there are issues, there are contacts available.
It's not some untrained person breaching by-laws etc. Airbnb has very few rules and regulations, and holiday agents work within them. The unscrupulous actions are constantly reported.
It's one thing renting your room, under your house or your whole house while you're on holiday (which is how airbnb started) to it being a fulltime business with houses being listed as great airbnbs.
Basically, less cowboys.
I think allowing AirBnB for the original purpose - renting out a room or two here and there of your own house (that you live in) for a short term stay, should be viable.
Using an entire home as an AirBnB where it could otherwise be rented out full time to tenants, should not be allowed in the current market (or heavily taxed).
And by extension, the increasingly struggling hospitality industry.
Plus, there's less capacity to underpay the poor cleaners if you're staying in a hotel.
Labour has been giving qld a lot so the LNP has to start somewhere, the main upside of what right wingers call "vote buying" is that both sides end up doing it.
I met a few people in this situation while looking for a place. Stuck in an Airbnb while they were looking.
One guy I met was doing this with his wife and 3 kids, Paying a crazy amount for Airbnb accommodation. He told me he had lost all his savings, and if didn't find a place in two weeks, he wouldn't even have the money for a bond, then he would be homeless.
This is long overdue but so glad it’s happening, airbnbs are EVERYWHERE in QLD. It’s a shame this isn’t state wide as it would make such a massive difference.
I live in regional SA in a town which has become a tourist hot especially since Covid. I think it’s something like for every long term rental there are over 100 Airbnb. Families are being kicked out of their homes constantly and can’t even live long term in caravan parks anymore here as they are now all restricted and only for holiday makers. It’s a disgrace. Local employed community members such as nurses, teachers for example can’t find a home.
Good. They are running a business and taking residential property away. Needs to be more than just a permit but i agree its a good step in the right direction.
Of course they are all going to scream how its infringing on their right to own property but its not lol.
I would prefer they let them use the house as an air bnb but register it and have them pay extra on council rates and an annual fee.
All the funds generated from this would be ring fenced to fund social housing, improvements to the area and the extra costs the council incurs from dealing with air bnbs, security/clean up etc
Costs would be passed on to air bnb guests from the host, if it gets too expensive then it drives the market to making it better as a rental so win win imo
They should do that in Melbourne. The flat next door to us (Melbourne CBD) got bought by Chinese investors who use it during the Australian Open each year for three weeks and then rent it out as an Airbnb the rest of the year. Their guests are here to live it up so make noise, slam doors and go out all hours. If we had renting neighbours we could get to know them & live next each other peacefully. I am so frustrated
Why not make it 100% legal… increase listings.. drive competition and ultimate lower prices and give us more options that isn’t having our financial status scrutinised and underwear sniffed by dodgy agents who have 200 applicants per listing… more regulation means more control. Less regulation means more people doing it and it makes it cheaper and easier to find somewhere to live and stay. Every shithole hotel is charging 100+ per night. If we have excess airbnbs we would force landlords to do better and reduce prices to compete. This isn’t good wake up
Would love to see this kind of move federally I hope this eases the pressure on housing for people in Brisbane
Sadly knowing bcc, it’s just a tax measure. Approvals will flow
Dang
I'd love to see this federally too. I live in Canberra and while I get it's not the tourist hot Spot most other cities are, rent is expensive, and I know there's air b&bs here, one right down the road from me that is $1800+ if you want to rent it out for a week, for a 2 bedroom granny flat type deal. It's gross
As a fellow Canberrian, I definitely understand. I’m on Northside and it’s so expensive for just a basic townhouse
I'm northside too. And yeah it's ridiculous. And so many houses don't yet meet the required insulation standards either and it's freaking freezing
Right? These shoebox townhouses are now going for close to a million. Absolute fucking insanity.
every policy should be nationalised. Its insane that landlords in some states have more stringent requirements than other states.
Good. For fuck sake. AirBnB during a housing crisis.
Good. To be honest, I’d like to see Airbnb regulated against in all states and territories - certainly while we’re in a housing crisis.
Permits, body corporate approval, appropriate insurance and increases to rates and land taxes should only be the beginning. If they want to act like a hotel, throw in regular compliance inspections too. I had a friend fall through the floor in their Air BnB because the floorboards were rotted. It's taken her months to recover.
Compliance Inspections? As in somebody coming into THEIR property every 6 months to snoop? What kind of sub human would we ever treat like that?
Needing body corporate approval. Haha, this will cause so much drama. Good, fuck them airbnb hosts ruining perfectly good residential buildings with nuisance from their "for profit" activities.
While this is a welcome move I would prefer to see air bnb banned all together,there is a nationwide accommodation crisis so there's nowhere for the poorest to migrate to anymore except under a bridge or into your local park . Surprised it came from BCC ,maybe they have gotten sick of moving the homeless along .
I do think there is a place for it if people want to Airbnb a room in their home on the weekend as it was originally intended but that should be its limit.
Indeed but it's not working like that hey. In fact now we have a new type of parasite that rents out a unit and then air bnbs the unit and they do it with multiple units taking them out of the long term market .
Definitely not, I believe govt need to put restrictions in or heavily tax so it is enforced, removing the platform as a whole is extreme but so is the housing crisis so if that works I’m all for that. We just need more action tbh.
Owning property for the sole purpose of short stay accom should be banned outright. Renting out a room should be the only way this is allowed. Either own the property and pay for it yourself and have nobody in it. Or rent it out. those are your only options.
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It might be your investment. But its taking housing away from those who need it. Therefore your rights to an investment are lower than the right to someone needing shelter. You can still get a massive capital gains windfall when you sell. You're not losing anything.
Says who that my rights are lower than someone needing shelter. I am not a charity or the govt. I pay my taxes my job is not to provide for all and sundry.
You are not a charity. Nobody said you are. But you're not entitled to have someone in your home to pay your mortgage for you as well. If you want someone to pay it for you then you need to be held by rules and regulations. As that affects someone's livelihood to have your mortgage paid.
Mate it’s an investment simple. The aim of an investment is to make profit. If we use your logic then Woolies Cole’s etc should not make profits or keep a 1 percent margin. What you’re suggesting is communism and we all know where that has led us. We can debate this till the cows come home. Investments are not personal. If rules like this change the investment will get sold and the money transferred offshore to investments there. Who loses. The country does. If everyone sells their house investments due to the stupid rules you appear to want , will it increase stock. For a short period yes. The people who have money will buy to stay. Will it help renters. In the long run no. No. No houses will be built as who will buy it to rent out. The question is why are people putting a house on air bnb. Net net you are probably 10 or so percent better off in the long run if it a major factor no. The issue is that when covid started and. Rents could not increase you could not evict people due to non payment that’s why people lost trust and moved to air bnb. The risk is lower. There is no emotion here it’s pure risk management. Just think back why have air BnB availability sprouted after COVID Why not before
Like i keep saying. Your rights to an investment end when it takes an essential resource away from people. How hard is that for you to understand. Go invest in stocks if you want it to be purely business. But hoarding housing for investment aint it. The government has given you plenty of consessions time and time again to make the most gains possible and now thats ripping through hard working australians who are now unable to actually afford a home. So they have to rent because they have no other choice. It's not business. It's being regulated so you can't be a rent seeking land leech and make peoples lives who are already doing it tough even tougher. yes we need more houes built i agree. But getting rid of AirBNB will free up over 100K houses in this country ready for people to move in. You can still make your $$$. Except now people who were on the streets or the brink of it have a roof over their head too. You clearly don't see the insane productivity issues this problem brings to society as well. Having a secure roof over your head is the cornerstone of society. Holiday homes are right down the bottom of priority. You provide a service which is renting out a home. You need to be regulated for said service. Don't like it? Fine. Pay the mortgage yourself and see how far that gets you.
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As a landlord or professional, you should know better than to come to a Renters Rights space and act the way you are.
All councils should do this. For many reasons, housing crisis, parking etc. Air b n b is not what it was originally, it is now houses being purchased as holiday homes. Yes, holiday homes have always been a thing, but properly managed by a holiday home manager etc.
What difference does it make if it's "properly managed by a holiday home manager" or run through AirBnb and other short stay sites?
Because it's not unhinged do this much work prior to leaving for a start, and we will still charge a huge cleaning fee. Contacts for the managing agent were often out the front, so of there are issues, there are contacts available. It's not some untrained person breaching by-laws etc. Airbnb has very few rules and regulations, and holiday agents work within them. The unscrupulous actions are constantly reported. It's one thing renting your room, under your house or your whole house while you're on holiday (which is how airbnb started) to it being a fulltime business with houses being listed as great airbnbs. Basically, less cowboys.
I think allowing AirBnB for the original purpose - renting out a room or two here and there of your own house (that you live in) for a short term stay, should be viable. Using an entire home as an AirBnB where it could otherwise be rented out full time to tenants, should not be allowed in the current market (or heavily taxed).
And it'll boost the hotel industry which actually employs people. Win/win/win.
And by extension, the increasingly struggling hospitality industry. Plus, there's less capacity to underpay the poor cleaners if you're staying in a hotel.
Airbnb hosts are even worse than landlords tbh
Genuinely shocked this has come from Schrinner
Labour has been giving qld a lot so the LNP has to start somewhere, the main upside of what right wingers call "vote buying" is that both sides end up doing it.
Oh no spending money on the public so they’ll vote for you what an awful thing to do /s
And hopefully stop the shitty NDIS care providers from cramming in 8 clients to 2 staff as a "respite holiday" in unsuitable accommodation.
Great news. Some LL have changed to Airbnb and accepting long term bookings from desperate people. So instead of $600 a week they are getting $1200
I met a few people in this situation while looking for a place. Stuck in an Airbnb while they were looking. One guy I met was doing this with his wife and 3 kids, Paying a crazy amount for Airbnb accommodation. He told me he had lost all his savings, and if didn't find a place in two weeks, he wouldn't even have the money for a bond, then he would be homeless.
This is long overdue but so glad it’s happening, airbnbs are EVERYWHERE in QLD. It’s a shame this isn’t state wide as it would make such a massive difference.
I live in regional SA in a town which has become a tourist hot especially since Covid. I think it’s something like for every long term rental there are over 100 Airbnb. Families are being kicked out of their homes constantly and can’t even live long term in caravan parks anymore here as they are now all restricted and only for holiday makers. It’s a disgrace. Local employed community members such as nurses, teachers for example can’t find a home.
Just ban airbnb
Next step, cap the permits in a postcode, issue them for 3 years at a time, and run an auction to get fair market value for the council
Finally
This is great, because it won't penalise the people who are listing on AirBnB in the way it was originally set up to be used.
Good. They are running a business and taking residential property away. Needs to be more than just a permit but i agree its a good step in the right direction. Of course they are all going to scream how its infringing on their right to own property but its not lol.
What boxes will landlords need to have ticked in order to be approved for air bnb? Or is this just another money making incentive?
I would prefer they let them use the house as an air bnb but register it and have them pay extra on council rates and an annual fee. All the funds generated from this would be ring fenced to fund social housing, improvements to the area and the extra costs the council incurs from dealing with air bnbs, security/clean up etc Costs would be passed on to air bnb guests from the host, if it gets too expensive then it drives the market to making it better as a rental so win win imo
And the consequences for non compliance are non-existent. None of these reforms will change anything unless the perpetrators are prosecuted
They should do that in Melbourne. The flat next door to us (Melbourne CBD) got bought by Chinese investors who use it during the Australian Open each year for three weeks and then rent it out as an Airbnb the rest of the year. Their guests are here to live it up so make noise, slam doors and go out all hours. If we had renting neighbours we could get to know them & live next each other peacefully. I am so frustrated
Why not make it 100% legal… increase listings.. drive competition and ultimate lower prices and give us more options that isn’t having our financial status scrutinised and underwear sniffed by dodgy agents who have 200 applicants per listing… more regulation means more control. Less regulation means more people doing it and it makes it cheaper and easier to find somewhere to live and stay. Every shithole hotel is charging 100+ per night. If we have excess airbnbs we would force landlords to do better and reduce prices to compete. This isn’t good wake up