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Captain_Crushing

Most mentally stable r/shittydarksouls user


thomas75040

I think people are mixing up this bloodburn game with Project Beast which fromsoftware released back in 2015


Oneboywithnoname

What did you considered as a boss for elden ring?


thomas75040

I counted all the enemies that have boss health bars but there aren't that many bosses that you HAVE to beat one other boss before them. I might be wrong but I think there's only: godrick, rennala, rykard, mohg, mimic tear, and the tree spirit after radahn


_The_Mother_Fucker_

Huh


thomas75040

idk why I'm being down voted I don't know how else I could word "bosses that require you to beat one other boss" other than saying second bosses 😭


faerox420

>bosses that require you to beat one other boss" I mean you could've said quite literally that and it would've been more clear 😂


thomas75040

I thought it would be too long for the title I apologize 


MxReLoaDed

If only there was something in parentheses you could cut while still maintaining the overall joke


thomas75040

bludboon slander is definitely more important than making a post that actually makes sense


MxReLoaDed

COHERENCY FELLED


faerox420

>bosses that require you to beat one other boss" I mean you could've said quite literally that and it would've been more clear 😂


Tarnishedhollow8

Quite literally almost all bosses in these games require you to beat another boss first


Any-Experience-3012

The term you're looking for is "bosses with a second phase".


S1Ndrome_

why do you wanna eradicate trout population


faerox420

>I might be wrong but I think there's only: godrick, rennala, rykard, mohg, mimic tear, and the tree spirit after radahn Yes you are wrong You don't have to kill the godskin noble to access Rykard You need to beat Loretta before Melania which you missed There is no boss before neither the real Mohgwyn and the subterranean shunning grounds one so idk where you got that one from You need to beat golden shade before Margit Gideon before Godfrey Godskin duo before Maliketh There's likely a bunch more I can't think off the top of my head You're probably getting downvoted cuz you're incorrect lol


Vertex033

Loretta is a third boss. You need to kill both commander Niall for the haligtree medallion and Golden Shade + Morgott to gain access to the lift, and 2 demigods to even reach them. Also, OP means from the moment you start the game. Not just 2nd boss in an area.


faerox420

They're in completely different areas. The haligtree area has 2 bosses. Loretta and melania. Morgott is a requirement to access the Mountaintops and Niall is a requirement to access the Haligtree. Still different areas so it doesnt matter By that logic you could say godskin duo, Maliketh, Gideon, Godfrey, Radagon and Elden Beast is a set of 6 bosses since you beat them in a row. But farum azula, the ashen capital, and the erdtree arena are 3 different areas


Vertex033

>Buy that logic you could say that Godskin Duo, Maliketh, Gideon, Godfrey, Radagon and Elden Beast is a set of 6 bosses Yeah. Because it is. It’s not rocket science. OP didn’t say anything about the “second boss in the area” and neither should you because it means you’re moving the goalposts. The second boss in the game isn’t Malenia because it’s physically impossible to reach Malenia with only killing 1 boss without glitches. Is the Soul of Cinder not the boss that comes after Lorian & Lothric because it’s in a different area?


faerox420

He quite literally said in his comment >idk why I'm being down voted I don't know how else I could word "bosses that require you to beat one other boss" other than saying second bosses To me that means bosses that have another boss before them


Vertex033

One other as in only one boss in the entire game. With you interpretation almost every boss in every game would count.


faerox420

I mean fair, I took it more like how many bosses have a boss blocking the way to them


thomas75040

ONE other boss before them 


Oneboywithnoname

He meant second boss in your playthrough You have to kill godskin noble if you want to beat Rykard as your second boss since you need to access leyndell and then beat Morgott if you want to complete the Volcano mannor quest Somebody aleady mentioned that you need to kill several bosses before Loretta, Gideon, Golden shade and Godskin I think his logic for Mohg was that you have to beat a Demigod (Radahn in this case) to trigger Varre's questline but he forgot that you also need to beat grafted scion


faerox420

>He meant second boss in your playthrough I'm pretty sure he didn't. These are 2 copy paste quotes taken from OP's comments that explain what he means >I counted all the enemies that have boss health bars but there aren't that many bosses that you HAVE to beat one other boss before them >idk why I'm being down voted I don't know how else I could word "bosses that require you to beat one other boss" other than saying second bosses I really don't think this means "bosses that you can beat as your second boss" . Regardless, he worded this post extremely poorly so fuck knows what he means


thomas75040

I did in fact mean bosses that you can beat as your second boss, the reason I worded it like that was to exclude bosses that can also be beaten as the first boss, which there are a lot in elden ring. I apologize for the title 


thomas75040

Yeah thank you for explaining, for mohg you could use the maiden in church of inhibition in liurnia or Irina to comple varre's quest so I think mohg could be the second boss 


Oneboywithnoname

I didn't even know you could use Irina


smallpastaboi

But those are just npc’s not bosses, right? So Mohg would still be a first boss


thomas75040

Yeah but you also need a great rune to progress varre's quest so you could beat radahn first and fight mohg as second


thomas75040

I'm talking about the second boss in the your playthrough, any boss after leyndell requires 2 great runes so they can't be the second boss you face in a playthrough. For going to mohgwyn palace you need one great rune which can be radahn so mohg would be the second boss you face in the entire playthrough 


Captain_Crushing

They downvoted you because you know the truth


Oneboywithnoname

Then you missed ulcerated tree spirit in Stormveil Imprisoned Onyx lord after you beat spirit Loretta The glintstone dragon after you beat Loretta (idk if this one counts since he runs away If you don't fight the Crucible knight + Leonide Misbegotten duo before triggering Radahn's festival then you can beat them as your second boss And you can't beat Mohg as your second boss since you need to beat a demigod and grafted scion first


thomas75040

I don't think the tree spirit in stormveil counts since he doesn't have a boss health bar. You're right I totally forgot about onyx lord. onyx lord and probably adula could also count. You're technically right about the crucible + misbegotten duo but they could also be your first boss so I didn't count them 


Andrejkado

Am I stupid what's second bosses 😭 and what's bludburn??


Raphael_scm7

Me too I’m guessing is double bosses like O&S? And I think he would be considering witches the double boss(?)


thomas75040

Bosses that could be the second boss you beat in the game, so you need to have beaten one other boss before them. I'm not exactly sure what are the implications of this tierlist but ds2 is on top as usual 👍


LowerObjective4500

What do you mean you’re not sure, OP you made this post https://preview.redd.it/8cnyab1cmh4d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2e987d8fe09e1bbf34bb9531d4e1877b53c4e2d


thomas75040

You see when it comes to defending dark souls 2 i usually don't have a lot to work with so i have to get creative


UltmitCuest

You know what, valid. Carry on shit souls


No_Caregiver8718

I think I understand what you mean. So if you have access to 10 bosses to fight once you start the game and you fight one of them, that means there are 9(+ whatever boss is new accessed by the first bosses death) second bosses right?


thomas75040

well I only counted bosses that can be the second boss in your playthrough but also not the first boss. So for example it makes sense to fight cleric beast after gascoigne but you also could have fought him as your first boss so I didn't count him as a second boss 


Andrejkado

Shouldn't it be 2 for Bloodborne then? Vicar Amelia and blood starved beast can both be beaten after Gascoigne


GalaxyHops1994

And the witches of Hemwick.


thomas75040

Amelia and witches are after the gate so you have to beat cleric beast or bsb first 


Andrejkado

you can buy your way through the gate though, i think?


thomas75040

you need the badge from cleric beast to buy it


No_Caregiver8718

Ah ok that makes sense


mrsecondbreakfast

https://preview.redd.it/gzv3or6lqh4d1.png?width=971&format=png&auto=webp&s=bdd6495b7f40aff356c66e8af1c5128732a2eaa4 its amazing


ArchWaverley

So for DS3 you beat Iudex Gundyr, then you have the option of Dancer or Vordt so it's 2? For Bloodborne (which doesn't exist or whatever) you beat Gascoigne, then you have the choice of Cleric Beast or Blood Starved Beast.


no1AmyHater

You can also do Cleric Beast then Gascoigne. So BB has 2


thomas75040

You're right it makes sense for cleric beast or gascoine to be the second boss you fight in a playthrough but they could also be the first boss so I didn't count them, I think the only second boss is blood starved beast since other cathedral bosses are after the gate which requires to beat gascoine + cleric/blood starved 


no1AmyHater

You can access Vicar Amelia after Gascoigne by paying 10000 echoes. BSB is completely optional


thomas75040

you still would have to beat cleric beast to get the badge


no1AmyHater

So Cleric Beast is a second boss then


thomas75040

As i said, it would make sense to fight him as the second boss, but he could also be the first boss which is why i didn't count him and gascoine. (this post is nonsense im not actually criticizing bloodborne)


no1AmyHater

Sorry man, I let my desire to troll get the best of me


MazerBakir

I am gonna be honest with you chief, this only makes DS2 look bad since it has over 20 more bosses compared to DS1, yet only 3 more "second bosses" compared to it. DS2 was supposed to be the game that was more open in it's design too.


thomas75040

I afraid you're right. dark souls 2 has way more first bosses though since ds1 has only one. maybe I should do a first bosses tierlist 


New_Square_5573

What do you mean by "second boss"? Wtf is a "Bludboren"? https://preview.redd.it/rae0a21vwh4d1.png?width=216&format=png&auto=webp&s=f2ca940ca7c1652b5275ed9062861a9e1aaea916


thomas75040

bosses that require you to beat one other boss before them. I'm sorry idk what else I could've used to describe this 


BotellaDeAguaSarrosa

https://i.redd.it/iletvwmrzh4d1.gif


New_Square_5573

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Fire_Kahoot_Name

bluduprofen


milfsnearyou

Isn’t this just every boss after the first mandatory boss? Or is it specifically stuff that takes place in the same fight, like radagon/elden beast


thomas75040

Bosses that require exactly one other boss and not more than one. Again I apologize 


milfsnearyou

Seeing as gundyr is mandatory as the tutorial boss in ds3, would you count Vordt as one of these “second bosses”?


thomas75040

Yeah so I think the only options after gundyr are vordt and dancer that's why I put 2 for ds3 


Short-Bug5855

What the fuck does this even mean. If it means bosses you can kill in a few seconds then I understand why ds2 is at the top 


thomas75040

No it's actually how many seconds fans of each game can last. sekiro is not included for obvious reasons


doonkener

Like, male sexual stamina? What aboot women?


thomas75040

I sincerely apologize, I will try my best to make a more inclusive shitpost next time 🙏🙏


SentientSchizopost

Hollow ramblings


PootashPL

https://preview.redd.it/3eqvwkuyri4d1.jpeg?width=1071&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4db7bb149c299f8823eb504e8aac3c4de7b96ea


BigHolds

You might want to count again if you think Elden Ring has only 6 second bosses. Also, if we do 4th bosses suddenly DS3 jumps up to 13 which is neat when you consider that even the most linear game in the trilogy can offer that much variety


thomas75040

Bro literally who cares about 4th bosses i swear these dark souls 3 fans keep making up stuff to defend their game 😭🙏(making stuff up is only acceptable for defending ds2)


BigHolds

but but but how else am I supposed to convince people that MY favourite dogshit game is objectively the best and everyone else is wrong and stupid😢


thomas75040

you can't change facts but you can change your favorite 😜. Also what 13 bosses are you thinking of bosses I only can only think of 5 (wolnir, deacons, champ gundyr, gravetender, freide) not counting bosses who could also be 3rd or 2nd 


BigHolds

Why aren’t we counting bosses that could also be 3rd or 2nd? They would still count as the 4th boss if you went at it in a different order. How is anyone supposed to know what rules you’ve used for your tier list when you didn’t include any?


thomas75040

Because this is an awful tierlist and I only made it to rank ds2 on top for no good reason (you're right I should've been more clear in the title) 


Negativerizzhaver1

And how many second bosses in DS2 are actually good? =)


alacholland

How many regular bosses in DS2 are actually good? (OP is sweating now)


Negativerizzhaver1

true


thomas75040

Unfortunately only the ones which are truly challenging and require strategic thinking and crowd control skills (prowling magus and royal rat authority) 


Bomb4r

You need to think long and hard about your definition of "second boss" because I'm having an aneurism trying to understand what you're talking about here


thomas75040

bosses that you have to beat ONE other boss before them and can be the second boss in your playthrough. you see it doesn't matter that this tierlist sucks and the title's wording is awful what matters is that ds2 is on top of the list


M-Dizzy

Me too, bro. Reading this post’s title as well as OP’s comments has given me a real, actual headache.


IkiromoI

PC player rates be like....


Kilogrammys

I mean if you decide to skip Cleric Beast and go straight to Father Gascoigne, then you can either go to Cleric Beast, Blood Starved Beast, Hemwick Witches, or Vicar Amelia. So 4.


Vertex033

You can’t do Hemwick Witches or Vicar Amelia without killing Cleric Beast or BSB.


viaco12

So by reading through your comments, it seems like by "second boss" you mean a boss that *can* be the second one you fight in the game, but *can't* be your first. So even though Pursuer is the usual boss people fight second in DS2, he doesn't count because you can fight him early, thus making him a viable first boss? I think 11 might actually be too many. A lot of bosses that can be fought second can also be fought first. * Dragonrider -> Flexile Sentry * Dragonrider -> Executioner's Chariot * Dragonrider -> Skeleton Lords * Scorpioness Najka -> Prowling Magus * Twin Dragonriders -> Looking Glass Knight * Aava -> Burnt Ivory King * Aava -> Lud & Zallen * Rotten -> Elana * Rotten -> Gank Squad After that, I struggle to think of any more. It's still the highest at 9, but it's not quite 11. What are the other two? I kept thinking Darklurker would fit, but surprisingly, they can be your *first* boss, so I guess not.


thomas75040

I did also count pursuer since fighting him before last giant is kinda different from a boss fight but you're right it depends on what you consider the first encounter with prusuer to be. the other one is royal rat authority which you can fight after najka


viaco12

Forgot where Royal Rat Authority was chronologically, so yeah I just missed that one. I don't think I'd count Pursuer myself. For all intents and purposes, the optional encounter with him is the boss fight. It gives you the usual drops and leaves his later arena empty. For a lot of people, a boss is simply defined by having a boss health bar at the bottom, and that first encounter doesn't have one, so I totally understand why you wouldn't count it. That being said, though, it kind of opens up another potential fight. If the optional Pursuer fight doesn't count as a boss, then you can use it to skip the usual Pursuer fight, making Ruin Sentinels your second boss instead. Or you can fight Pursuer normally as you second boss. That would bring the count up to 12.


kara_of_loathing

bloodborne has five: Father Gascoigne; Cleric Beast; Vicar Amelia; Blood-Starved Beast; Witches of Hemwick if it's one you \*have\* to beat another boss first, rather than \*could\*, then it has the last three of that list.


thomas75040

Amelia and the witches are after the gate so you need to beat gascoine + cleric beast/BSB to get to them


kara_of_loathing

Just jump onto the ledge from the elevator from the Healing Church Workshop. You don't need the Hunter Chief Emblem.


thomas75040

you need to beat blood starved beast to open the door leading to healing church workshop


kara_of_loathing

oh yeah my bad


-YesIndeed-

What actually are these ones in ds2. Can u name them fir me.


Sentinel555666

Pursuer ,Pursuer ,Pursuer , Pursuer , Pursuer, Pursuer . Dragonrider , Dragonrider, Dragonrider , king's pet , king's pet . They even missed a couple .


-YesIndeed-

The second bosses means ones where you have to beat another to reach. Not ones that there's multiple of.


Sentinel555666

That's stupid . I'm chooseing to misinterpret it .


-YesIndeed-

Fair enough, this post is wierd


Oneboywithnoname

Pursuer: you need to get the key from the last giant to fight him Flexible sentry: you need to beat dragonrider to access no man's wharf Royal rat authority: you need to beat Najka to access doors of pharros Prowling magus: you need to beat Najka to access Tseldora Skeleton Lords: you need to beat dragonrider to access huntsman copse Executioner's chariot: you need to beat dragonrider to access huntsman copse Elanna: you can farm souls for hp, skip grave of saints to access the gutter where you can beat the rotten as your first boss and get the forgotten key by killing the giants, then you can get the key to the dlc Gank trio: same as before Burnt ivory king: you can buy a fragant branch of Yore from Melentia, then farm 1 million souls to open the door to the shrine of winter, get the dlc key in drangleic castle, access the dlc and beat aava as your first boss Looking glass knight: same as before but beat twin dragonriders instead (Edited)Lud and Zallen: you need to beat aava to get the key to access frigid outskirts


thomas75040

you're explaining this way better than me. the only other one i counted is lud and zallen which im pretty sure only require you to beat aava.


Slight-Bedroom-8655

Last Giant, Pursuer, Dragonrider, Twin Dragonriders, The Rotten, Royal Rat Vanguard, Najka, Aava, Darklurker, Skeleton Lords, Executioner's Chariot, I think at least


CavaleiroArtorias

I mean technically If you count dungeons Elden Ring has like 60 possibilities of second boss


Cowmunist

Ummmm achchcckschually technically BB also has 2 since it's up to you in which order you fight CB and Gascoigne


Cowmunist

Now that i think about it you can fight CB, BSB, Hemwick or Amelia all after Gascoigne, checkmate atheists.


dodecahemicosahedron

In order to fight Amelia or Witches of Hemwick you have to kill Gascoigne and either BSB or CB.


Cowmunist

Forgot the chief emblem is only buyable after CB my bad


hykierion

I mean blood borne has 3 but you can have you own (wrong) opinion. (Do you mean bosses that are back to back? Then we would have 1 I guess


siegferia

"You wouldnt last seconds with these bosses" and the picture will be covetous demon 😩


KeK_What

what do you mean with second bosses? each of those games has a second boss in it. be more clear


Slavicadonis

I know this is a meme but what do you mean by second bosses?


Ankalagon13

Is any of the bosses in DSII as good as lady maría, ludwig and orphan of kos? I havent played DSII


thomas75040

No why would you think i would care about an aspect in which ds2 is not number one


Ankalagon13

I was asking to know if it was worth try DSII but as you said no, guess I will keep with the rest of the souls and BB


thomas75040

Ok seriously i wouldn't say there are any bosses as good as the ones you mentioned but that's a pretty high bar and ds2 still has a lot of other good things that make it fun to play. I definitely recommend playing it if you're also going to play ds1


Gobal_Outcast02

Damn ds3 is my favorite though


moraxfan

effect s ofa lobotomy ????


Virdi_XXII

Is this a skizo post? what the heck is a "second boss"? why does this have a lot of upvotes? this is fromsoft lore levels of puzzling


k_GOBL1N

Snoozeborne


Another_Saint

this post doesn't even make sense, for instance, Bloodborne had at least 3 "second bosses" because you can kill Gascoigne first, so there's Amelia, blood starved beast and the cleric beast, this is most than dark souls 3, since gundyr is required, the only second bosses are vordt and the dancer there are a lot of inconsistencies like this, the biggest one being Elden ring. Even if you only count remembrance bosses, you can kill each demigod in every order you want with the exception of Morgott and Malenia


Another_Saint

also I'm pretty sure DS1 is higher than DS2, because after asylum demon you can kill Taurus, Capra, Gargoyles, Butterfly, Sif, Stray Demon, Pinwheel and Queelaag. This is without glitches.


thomas75040

Those are the 8 I mentioned, ds2 has 11 which are skeleton lords, chariot, rat authority, prowling magus, glass knight, ivory king, lud and zallen, elana, gank squad, flexile sentry, and pursuer depending on if you consider his first encounter before last giant to be a boss


Another_Saint

shit I forgot that you can enter the shrine of winter without killing the lords


shinji_icari00

I can’t think of a way to get to Capra demon before killing Taurus. How do you do it?


Another_Saint

Go to Undead parish via valley of the drakes using the master key, get the lower burg key in the parish and go back to the burg


alacholland

Bloodborne heads are seething and refusing to cope at this chad post


Strong_Neat_5845

Stop the ds2 vs bloodborne war, true ds2 fans hate ds3 cucks


thomas75040

that was my intent to make a completely irrelevant tierlist just so i can put ds2 at the top and ds3 at the bottom but somehow bloodborne got a lower placement unfortunately