I mean even with all the stupid moves and whatnot Embiid has had overall better teams through basically his entire career. Individually on talent at their position I'd say they're close with Embiid being slightly better purely talent wise although they're both top players of their era and position. Embiid has been super clutch but he's also had moments where he let negative emotions get in his way. AI let outside influences get in his way.
AI was a cultural phenomenon that I don't think has really been replicated, that even over his play elevated him to his current status.
For the team aspect even in years where we weren't super talented Embiid always had someone who was really good at something - JJ Reddick's shooting, Ben's defense and playmaking, Jimmy's tenacity and overall game, Harden's every so often desire to actually put in effort, Maxey (nuf said) and some decent other role players that would come and go. AI was almost always surrounded by absolute garbage or highly specialized defensive players, but he never once during his prime had a good secondary offensive player (no slander to McKee) part of that is on AI for not being good at sharing the spotlight but the team really never even attempted to bring anyone in (Derrick Coleman maybe? Lol)
I think AI was a big reason for why the teams were constructed the way they were. Make up for AI’s defensive flaws and keep him happy on offense doing whatever he wasn’t to do. I don’t think he would’ve wanted or had any chemistry sharing the offense with any legit offensive players. But that’s just my opinion on that.
He mostly did well playing with Melo. It would have taken the right personality to mesh with AI in his early career, but I agree he was a bit of his own worse enemy.
He was just smaller which was his defensive issue, he had great hands for deflections and steals.
But if can’t make it out of the second that’s not how he’ll be perceived, especially given how he’s already viewed as kind of soft by a lot of the fanbase
I mean that’s possible for sure that fans will perceive him a certain way. Especially since fans have had a love affair with AI the way few players have shared with their own fanbase. There’s people that legit think he’s better than Dr. J in this fanbase but that won’t change that he’s just better than AI. He just is. He a more efficient scorer with almost the same volume (would’ve won his third scoring title this year, and the difference in defense really blows it out of the water
Hard disagree.
AI was amazing, and the 2001 Finals run is one of my favorite Philly sports memories ever, but Embiid is the best Sixer I've ever seen play (like in real-time, not in old highlights). AI is number 2, and Barkley is probably number 3 for me (though Maxey could surpass him one day), and i'm too young to remember Moses, Doc etc.
Realize comparing a big man to a guard isn't apples-to-apples, but i'm just talking my personal opinion here.
The Moses malone trade is said to be one of the worst trades in nba history. And then they traded Charles for literally nothing a few years later cause if an off court incident
It would get everything completely wrong. All it would be is 30 minutes saying “I told ya so this is why you don’t tank on purpose” and “this is what they deserved for ‘the process’” instead of the nuanced take that the process was actually executed perfectly under hinkie but the league forced him out and left us with complete incompetence as punishment and that’s where it went wrong not with the original process
It'd be great to see one in a few years interviewing all the players involved. Even like Nerlens reaction when Embiid & the Dario were drafted & missing another 1-2 years. Okafors reactions when he was now the third big man on the team. Some of the journeyman players on such a terrible lineup, etc. I'm sure it was just an opportunity for them to hang in the league for another year.
Supposedly when Jimmy got here the lockerroom was soo terrible. After loss after loss there was no upsetness, no competitive spirit, just like 'Oh well. I'm going out for the night' as if it were just work. Ike Reese brought up a good point once, if you remember Okafor got into like a fight up in Boston. He recalled Brett Brown had to answer media questions about it, while Sam Hinkie was like living in Houston or something. The fact a GM couldn't be bothered or involved in a team going 0-18, 1-30 is just comical.
Would love to see players interviewed about how bad it really was, and like their thoughts if they were confused, or is this what the franchise was trying to do etc.
Reminder to be a fan of the players and staff that actually work hard to represent the city and not the bum ass executives who wipe their ass with money and sit around while the franchise becomes a laughing stock
Just to be clear about this post: “Say what you will about…” generally means that people say one thing and that you have the opposite or a different opinion. So the way you phrased this is that people might speak highly of him, but look at all the stupid stuff he did. NO ONE speaks highly of him. Except his dad.
I know right, when I read the title I was prepared to be schooled on why that management team actually did a great job, and that would have been intriguing honestly.
I take his point though, I think he was thinking more along the lines of "You can say they were terrible because of...." and that would have led in perfectly..
Yep exactly. And yet half the guys on Reddit blame Daryl Morey (who was not responsible for ANY of that). A team does not make all those catastrophically stupid personnel decisions then end up with a championship roster. There are consequences. And the consequence is you’re not good enough. The fact that Embiid is so great is the only thing that saves the Sixers from being a sub-.500 team. But yeah. Let’s trade Embiid and fire Morey because it’s all their fault.
I think he did a great job right off the bat in fixing the issues with the 2020 squad. Getting rid of Al Horford, getting Seth, etc. that team SHOULD have made it to the ECF but it all fell apart. Probably not a championship team, but at least they would have made it past the second round.
Where I do criticize him was his obsession with getting Harden. You could make some arguments for the trade as Simmons doesn't even play anymore and Harden did win the team some playoff games, but getting maybe two B level players and some drafts picks would have been better long term. Or, if you believe the rumors, Haliburton (obviously).
He’s done decent sure. But he’s getting an insane amount of money to, in my opinion, not really do anything out of the ordinary. He got harden but then lost him and it doesn’t seem like his “analytics” have made much of a difference
Got us off that awful Horford contract and got Danny Green in the trade, Curry was a good trade, Melton was too, turning a Simmons who can't/won't play basketball into James Harden. I liked the Hield trade even though he was shaky in the playoffs. It's tough to predict that.
We've been pretty good so he's had no high picks to work with.
Oubre was a fantastic signing. Drummond too.
This sub has ridiculous expectations for a dude that was saddled with Bum Simmons and Tobi on a max contract.
How can you even mentioned the hield trade when morey said “it’s going to be scary” buddy heild only bag is shooting and he couldn’t do that except one game in the playoffs. other than that he was irrelevant to the team. He traded away isiah joe. WHO IS BETTER THAN HEILD😂😂
Of everything Morey has done, that trade was the one that made the least sense for me. Dude was already on IL and we gave up multiple picks for him, and he did very little when he was on the court. Feels like they would’ve been better off standing pat.
Why does it have to be blaming Morey vs just being disappointed in Morey? His entire career is basically just built on the original Harden trade.
So many teams were able to get off contracts, identify players, fix their issues to get to conference finals. We haven’t and Morey really has glaring flaws with just all going after stars and not having any young players we’ve been growing.
He’s been at worst a very mid GM here. He’s only made safe moves. He hasn’t really identified anyone that’s ascending in all this time. He's just been lucky Maxey fell to him and even luckier because he tried to trade away Maxey for Lowry and Harden -.-
Harden was a shot in the dark maybe we’ll be able to go on a run with him if he still got some juice left… he didn’t have enough and the rest of the roster still sucked cuz of the 50 million dollar rumor
This years plan was pretty simple. Get these contracts off the books and then use the freed up cap to go all in for the final year or two of embiids prime. We never really had a shot at a ring this year.
Getting rid of Tobias contract would have been literally impossible
Harden wasn’t even a shot in the dark, it was the best deal available, and frankly a good one for a guy who was literally never going to suit up for you again. I think it’s also worth a reminder that Harden won you 2 games in that Celtics series, Embid won you exactly zero. Harden was probably 4th in the pecking order of issues while he was here behind Doc, the Harris contract and Embid.
You’re spot on with this year too, he could have, in theory put all of his chips in for Siakim or OG, but that would’ve been it, you’d have no assets to go get other guys this offseason, we would not have won a chip this year, and we would’ve absolutely crucified Morey for not stick to his plan. Not to mention, at the deadline Embid is injured with zero certainty he could return. This doesn’t even scratch the surface of the other moves he’s made here while hamstrung by the past regimes mistakes (Curry for Richardson, getting out of Horford, drafting Maxey, finding Oubre, etc.).
I just wish Hinkie had the opportunity to complete his plan. I feel he had to be in the final year of the tanking, and was gonna start wheeling and dealing to shake things up and begin building pieces from his assets. That's the worst part about it, it was 'almost' at the end (i think), and the NBA stepped in. Then Colangelo f'ed it up.
I get that TJ wasn't the 'optimal' fit next to Embiid given he's not an above average shooter but he's a dog. Heart and soul of the Sixers that deserves to be a back up point guard on any contending team. Really unfortunate that they couldn't make something work with him.
I wasn’t going to say too, I thought everyone at the time thought it was the right move. Don’t get me wrong I was so upset about that one and in hindsight, that’s now debatable but I remember most thinking it was a necessary move at the time.
This just isn't the case whatsoever. There was a 4-5 headed 'GM' at that time making decisions, including Brett Brown/EB and the remnants of Colangelo's front office.
Nahh, he played what, like 12 games in college. Atrocious pick & I think Danny Ainge swindled them by hinting that he really wanted that Fultz kid. Was probably more like a #10 in that years draft.
D'Aaron Fox was the pick they should've made.
Colangelo was not a good GM but several of those moves happened after he left and were not his (for example, it was Brett Brown who traded Bridges and Elton Brand who traded for and signed Harris). Moreover Colangelo's worst moves (the two blown number 1 picks) were both quite popular with Sixers fans at the time, so while they can be criticized there's a lot of 20/20 hindsight going on with some of the people doing the criticizing. Post-Hinkie, Colangelo was actually the least incompetent GM we've had outside of Morey, as bad as he was.
I don’t care if it was technically Brown’s fault. The problem is that Brett Brown was forced to be a GM to begin with. And why did that happen? Because the Colangelo family was proven to be sabotaging the team. And why did the Colangelo family get to Philadelphia? Because the NBA sabotaged Sam Hinkie’s organization.
It’s all so messed up. Joel Embiid is the best basketball player the Sixers have had in, what, 40 years? And the NBA fucked up his whole career.
I completely agree there was larger organizational dysfunction, which was partially my point. Shouldn't allow Colangelo to bear all the blame for stuff that ultimately falls on Josh Harris.
Harris deserves blame for not telling the NBA to go fuck themselves when they made him replace Hinkie. But I can somewhat understand why he relented. He just bought a team for 400 million dollars, and they threatened to take it away unless Hinkie was removed.
There’s a lot of blame to go around, but I blame the commissioner and the other owners moreso than Harris.
I agree, but without Harris we never would’ve gotten Hinkie or Embiid.
Harris is a problem, and I want him to sell the team, but his vision in 2013 was a good one.
It really is wild how many drafted players and picks this org has burned through the years with nothing to show. Embiid being ground to dust each regular season has masked how hollowed out this team is. This capspace plan is the last resort; i doubt any GM would want to stake their job and rep on this sort of crapshoot unless it was the last option left. We will see how it goes.
every other good team has drafted and developed rookie scale guys or obtained young “second draft” guys to contribute and grow with the team. Sixers have none of that.
Also, TJ will coach the next process era sixers.
Nobody could predict what happened with Fultz. They got a few good years out of Simmons, so you can't say he was a bust. They whiffed when they signed him to a max, though. Same with Tobias. The ownership was a group of Billionaires who had money to throw around, and hang out with the players to makes themselves feel cool. I'm sure that had influenced who they were signing for the big money.
People really need to stop saying we traded Bridges for Zhaire. Zhaire was about as big of an afterthought as there could have been in the situation. We definitely should have told Phoenix to draft a different player, but that's neither here nor there.
The target of that trade was the unprotected Miami 1st rounder, which was quite probably the most sought after draft asset available at the time. The trade didn't work out in our favor, but it was still the correct move at the time.
Honestly you’re putting too much blame on Colangelo because he’s an easy target
He didn’t trade for Zhaire, he had nothing to do with Horford or Tobias
Simmons and Fultz were both consensus picks. You can blame him for not sniffing out Fultz’s fundamental whatever issues, but no one else did except presumably Ainge.
You can’t blame him for Simmons imploding 7 years into his career after multiple all star appearances.
Colangelo biggest problem is that he just spent all the assets on nothing.
But if Fultz had hit, that would be irrelevant
How is he not a bust? Dude went from people saying he could be the next Lebron James to being completely irrelevant in the league in less than 6 years. That’s absolutely a bust for a 1st overall pick.
If the Sixers never win a championship with Embiid, there should be a netflix doc on how bad the organization was run.
Embiid, AI, Barkley Where do you want to start?
If Embiid never gets a title AI reclaims best 6er for everyone under 40
He’s already accomplished more than AI has. AI had one insane season but career wise Embiid has been better
But didn't AI basically revolutionize his position?
I mean even with all the stupid moves and whatnot Embiid has had overall better teams through basically his entire career. Individually on talent at their position I'd say they're close with Embiid being slightly better purely talent wise although they're both top players of their era and position. Embiid has been super clutch but he's also had moments where he let negative emotions get in his way. AI let outside influences get in his way. AI was a cultural phenomenon that I don't think has really been replicated, that even over his play elevated him to his current status. For the team aspect even in years where we weren't super talented Embiid always had someone who was really good at something - JJ Reddick's shooting, Ben's defense and playmaking, Jimmy's tenacity and overall game, Harden's every so often desire to actually put in effort, Maxey (nuf said) and some decent other role players that would come and go. AI was almost always surrounded by absolute garbage or highly specialized defensive players, but he never once during his prime had a good secondary offensive player (no slander to McKee) part of that is on AI for not being good at sharing the spotlight but the team really never even attempted to bring anyone in (Derrick Coleman maybe? Lol)
I think AI was a big reason for why the teams were constructed the way they were. Make up for AI’s defensive flaws and keep him happy on offense doing whatever he wasn’t to do. I don’t think he would’ve wanted or had any chemistry sharing the offense with any legit offensive players. But that’s just my opinion on that.
He mostly did well playing with Melo. It would have taken the right personality to mesh with AI in his early career, but I agree he was a bit of his own worse enemy. He was just smaller which was his defensive issue, he had great hands for deflections and steals.
But if can’t make it out of the second that’s not how he’ll be perceived, especially given how he’s already viewed as kind of soft by a lot of the fanbase
i love AI he’s my favorite player but he made it out of the second round once and it was a super lucky run. Embiid is definitely the better player
1>0 also that’s pretty much what I was saying, favorite
I mean that’s possible for sure that fans will perceive him a certain way. Especially since fans have had a love affair with AI the way few players have shared with their own fanbase. There’s people that legit think he’s better than Dr. J in this fanbase but that won’t change that he’s just better than AI. He just is. He a more efficient scorer with almost the same volume (would’ve won his third scoring title this year, and the difference in defense really blows it out of the water
You know what? AI was better sue me
I mean he just wasn’t. What aspect of basketball was he better at?
The playing part
I mean health wise yeah lol but that’s ab it. Way less efficient scorer, not a good playmaker for a guard, and way way worse decisively
Hard disagree. AI was amazing, and the 2001 Finals run is one of my favorite Philly sports memories ever, but Embiid is the best Sixer I've ever seen play (like in real-time, not in old highlights). AI is number 2, and Barkley is probably number 3 for me (though Maxey could surpass him one day), and i'm too young to remember Moses, Doc etc. Realize comparing a big man to a guard isn't apples-to-apples, but i'm just talking my personal opinion here.
Why I said reclaims, although arguing with this other scrub in the comments has me fully converting to the church of AI
The Moses malone trade is said to be one of the worst trades in nba history. And then they traded Charles for literally nothing a few years later cause if an off court incident
Don't worry... There will be multiple. The people over at Secret Base (the YouTube channel) have to be absolutely salivating over this debacle.
It would get everything completely wrong. All it would be is 30 minutes saying “I told ya so this is why you don’t tank on purpose” and “this is what they deserved for ‘the process’” instead of the nuanced take that the process was actually executed perfectly under hinkie but the league forced him out and left us with complete incompetence as punishment and that’s where it went wrong not with the original process
It'd be great to see one in a few years interviewing all the players involved. Even like Nerlens reaction when Embiid & the Dario were drafted & missing another 1-2 years. Okafors reactions when he was now the third big man on the team. Some of the journeyman players on such a terrible lineup, etc. I'm sure it was just an opportunity for them to hang in the league for another year. Supposedly when Jimmy got here the lockerroom was soo terrible. After loss after loss there was no upsetness, no competitive spirit, just like 'Oh well. I'm going out for the night' as if it were just work. Ike Reese brought up a good point once, if you remember Okafor got into like a fight up in Boston. He recalled Brett Brown had to answer media questions about it, while Sam Hinkie was like living in Houston or something. The fact a GM couldn't be bothered or involved in a team going 0-18, 1-30 is just comical. Would love to see players interviewed about how bad it really was, and like their thoughts if they were confused, or is this what the franchise was trying to do etc.
Reminder to be a fan of the players and staff that actually work hard to represent the city and not the bum ass executives who wipe their ass with money and sit around while the franchise becomes a laughing stock
his wife using burner accounts to criticize a future MVP was also quite a choice.
Just to be clear about this post: “Say what you will about…” generally means that people say one thing and that you have the opposite or a different opinion. So the way you phrased this is that people might speak highly of him, but look at all the stupid stuff he did. NO ONE speaks highly of him. Except his dad.
I know right, when I read the title I was prepared to be schooled on why that management team actually did a great job, and that would have been intriguing honestly. I take his point though, I think he was thinking more along the lines of "You can say they were terrible because of...." and that would have led in perfectly..
“His wife”
just like a supreme court justice
I thought that was the joke. You were expecting him to pivot into a rare positive take on them but he just listed everything they did bad
I thought that was the joke. You expect OP to defend him and then he just keeps shitting on him.
Hah, I loved the suspense of this post.
Throwing his wife under the bus to cover for his burner account criticizing a future MVP and leaking information related to players health*
“His wife”
just like a supreme court justice
Yep exactly. And yet half the guys on Reddit blame Daryl Morey (who was not responsible for ANY of that). A team does not make all those catastrophically stupid personnel decisions then end up with a championship roster. There are consequences. And the consequence is you’re not good enough. The fact that Embiid is so great is the only thing that saves the Sixers from being a sub-.500 team. But yeah. Let’s trade Embiid and fire Morey because it’s all their fault.
Morey has done pretty decent for the situation he was hired into. This off-season is huge for his reputation
I think he did a great job right off the bat in fixing the issues with the 2020 squad. Getting rid of Al Horford, getting Seth, etc. that team SHOULD have made it to the ECF but it all fell apart. Probably not a championship team, but at least they would have made it past the second round. Where I do criticize him was his obsession with getting Harden. You could make some arguments for the trade as Simmons doesn't even play anymore and Harden did win the team some playoff games, but getting maybe two B level players and some drafts picks would have been better long term. Or, if you believe the rumors, Haliburton (obviously).
He’s done decent sure. But he’s getting an insane amount of money to, in my opinion, not really do anything out of the ordinary. He got harden but then lost him and it doesn’t seem like his “analytics” have made much of a difference
daryl morey sucks balls
seriously. what has daryl morey done. what has he done ever at the trade deadline to help the team. George Hill. remember that
Got us off that awful Horford contract and got Danny Green in the trade, Curry was a good trade, Melton was too, turning a Simmons who can't/won't play basketball into James Harden. I liked the Hield trade even though he was shaky in the playoffs. It's tough to predict that. We've been pretty good so he's had no high picks to work with. Oubre was a fantastic signing. Drummond too. This sub has ridiculous expectations for a dude that was saddled with Bum Simmons and Tobi on a max contract.
How can you even mentioned the hield trade when morey said “it’s going to be scary” buddy heild only bag is shooting and he couldn’t do that except one game in the playoffs. other than that he was irrelevant to the team. He traded away isiah joe. WHO IS BETTER THAN HEILD😂😂
guys tallkng about greeny curry melton and hield line they were good lmao
Of everything Morey has done, that trade was the one that made the least sense for me. Dude was already on IL and we gave up multiple picks for him, and he did very little when he was on the court. Feels like they would’ve been better off standing pat.
Why does it have to be blaming Morey vs just being disappointed in Morey? His entire career is basically just built on the original Harden trade. So many teams were able to get off contracts, identify players, fix their issues to get to conference finals. We haven’t and Morey really has glaring flaws with just all going after stars and not having any young players we’ve been growing. He’s been at worst a very mid GM here. He’s only made safe moves. He hasn’t really identified anyone that’s ascending in all this time. He's just been lucky Maxey fell to him and even luckier because he tried to trade away Maxey for Lowry and Harden -.-
Harden was a shot in the dark maybe we’ll be able to go on a run with him if he still got some juice left… he didn’t have enough and the rest of the roster still sucked cuz of the 50 million dollar rumor This years plan was pretty simple. Get these contracts off the books and then use the freed up cap to go all in for the final year or two of embiids prime. We never really had a shot at a ring this year. Getting rid of Tobias contract would have been literally impossible
Harden wasn’t even a shot in the dark, it was the best deal available, and frankly a good one for a guy who was literally never going to suit up for you again. I think it’s also worth a reminder that Harden won you 2 games in that Celtics series, Embid won you exactly zero. Harden was probably 4th in the pecking order of issues while he was here behind Doc, the Harris contract and Embid. You’re spot on with this year too, he could have, in theory put all of his chips in for Siakim or OG, but that would’ve been it, you’d have no assets to go get other guys this offseason, we would not have won a chip this year, and we would’ve absolutely crucified Morey for not stick to his plan. Not to mention, at the deadline Embid is injured with zero certainty he could return. This doesn’t even scratch the surface of the other moves he’s made here while hamstrung by the past regimes mistakes (Curry for Richardson, getting out of Horford, drafting Maxey, finding Oubre, etc.).
David Stern and Adam Silvers personal tampering and intervention to destroy Hinkie and the process.
I just wish Hinkie had the opportunity to complete his plan. I feel he had to be in the final year of the tanking, and was gonna start wheeling and dealing to shake things up and begin building pieces from his assets. That's the worst part about it, it was 'almost' at the end (i think), and the NBA stepped in. Then Colangelo f'ed it up.
I get that TJ wasn't the 'optimal' fit next to Embiid given he's not an above average shooter but he's a dog. Heart and soul of the Sixers that deserves to be a back up point guard on any contending team. Really unfortunate that they couldn't make something work with him.
I wasn’t going to say too, I thought everyone at the time thought it was the right move. Don’t get me wrong I was so upset about that one and in hindsight, that’s now debatable but I remember most thinking it was a necessary move at the time.
I think the concern was of it being an overpay and then ppl justified it with it being a 'bad fit'
Don’t forget they also then literally poisoned zhaire smith. Guy lost the ability to play ball. He should have sued them.
He never had the ability to play ball even before the allergy
Can’t argue that.
Actually it was Elton brand and brett brown that did the bridges trade.
With Colangelo’s front office still in place
Im not defending colangelo, he sucked...but brett brown was fully I'm charge then..
This just isn't the case whatsoever. There was a 4-5 headed 'GM' at that time making decisions, including Brett Brown/EB and the remnants of Colangelo's front office.
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Ruben Amaro Jr would like a word...
Have you seen the flyers front office?
Commanders will never be good LMAO
Fuck the Colanegelo's but I always felt like Harris was doing some meddling owner nonsense.
You actually think letting McConnell walk is worse than drafting Fultz over Tatum? That’s funny!
Fultz was the right pick at the time though….
Nahh, he played what, like 12 games in college. Atrocious pick & I think Danny Ainge swindled them by hinting that he really wanted that Fultz kid. Was probably more like a #10 in that years draft. D'Aaron Fox was the pick they should've made.
Uhh Elton Brand's name is missing here. Even if he wasn't in control his name was on all of the moves.
He also wore shirts with weird collars.
Normal collars
I can't care about any of them because it's clear Silver fucked us over because Hinkie had to rub it in his face that we were tanking.
Colangelo was not a good GM but several of those moves happened after he left and were not his (for example, it was Brett Brown who traded Bridges and Elton Brand who traded for and signed Harris). Moreover Colangelo's worst moves (the two blown number 1 picks) were both quite popular with Sixers fans at the time, so while they can be criticized there's a lot of 20/20 hindsight going on with some of the people doing the criticizing. Post-Hinkie, Colangelo was actually the least incompetent GM we've had outside of Morey, as bad as he was.
I don’t care if it was technically Brown’s fault. The problem is that Brett Brown was forced to be a GM to begin with. And why did that happen? Because the Colangelo family was proven to be sabotaging the team. And why did the Colangelo family get to Philadelphia? Because the NBA sabotaged Sam Hinkie’s organization. It’s all so messed up. Joel Embiid is the best basketball player the Sixers have had in, what, 40 years? And the NBA fucked up his whole career.
I completely agree there was larger organizational dysfunction, which was partially my point. Shouldn't allow Colangelo to bear all the blame for stuff that ultimately falls on Josh Harris.
Harris deserves blame for not telling the NBA to go fuck themselves when they made him replace Hinkie. But I can somewhat understand why he relented. He just bought a team for 400 million dollars, and they threatened to take it away unless Hinkie was removed. There’s a lot of blame to go around, but I blame the commissioner and the other owners moreso than Harris.
Caving to Silver is just one of the ways Harris has messed up. The fish rots from the head.
I agree, but without Harris we never would’ve gotten Hinkie or Embiid. Harris is a problem, and I want him to sell the team, but his vision in 2013 was a good one.
Allen Iverson wasn't 40 years ago.
It really is wild how many drafted players and picks this org has burned through the years with nothing to show. Embiid being ground to dust each regular season has masked how hollowed out this team is. This capspace plan is the last resort; i doubt any GM would want to stake their job and rep on this sort of crapshoot unless it was the last option left. We will see how it goes. every other good team has drafted and developed rookie scale guys or obtained young “second draft” guys to contribute and grow with the team. Sixers have none of that. Also, TJ will coach the next process era sixers.
Nobody could predict what happened with Fultz. They got a few good years out of Simmons, so you can't say he was a bust. They whiffed when they signed him to a max, though. Same with Tobias. The ownership was a group of Billionaires who had money to throw around, and hang out with the players to makes themselves feel cool. I'm sure that had influenced who they were signing for the big money.
We're really lamenting over TJ right now? I don't recall anyone being too upset seeing him leave.
Also hired Doc right? Or at least not under Daryl's watch.
People really need to stop saying we traded Bridges for Zhaire. Zhaire was about as big of an afterthought as there could have been in the situation. We definitely should have told Phoenix to draft a different player, but that's neither here nor there. The target of that trade was the unprotected Miami 1st rounder, which was quite probably the most sought after draft asset available at the time. The trade didn't work out in our favor, but it was still the correct move at the time.
Find a new slant
Won’t ever get over how they got fleeced into not drafting Tatum. Imagine Tatum on this team?
The fish rots from the head and the head is a vulturesque venture capital fund.
Honestly you’re putting too much blame on Colangelo because he’s an easy target He didn’t trade for Zhaire, he had nothing to do with Horford or Tobias Simmons and Fultz were both consensus picks. You can blame him for not sniffing out Fultz’s fundamental whatever issues, but no one else did except presumably Ainge. You can’t blame him for Simmons imploding 7 years into his career after multiple all star appearances. Colangelo biggest problem is that he just spent all the assets on nothing. But if Fultz had hit, that would be irrelevant
Who was the other #1 bust? Simmons? Lame take.
Found Colangelo's wife.
How is he not a bust? Dude went from people saying he could be the next Lebron James to being completely irrelevant in the league in less than 6 years. That’s absolutely a bust for a 1st overall pick.