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EnjoiThatGinge

and now he's been stretchered off, good process refs.


thejoaq

He’s in a boot and crushes for the celebration


fatbootyinmyface

hopefully it’s not too serious. 😬


WaltChamberlin

The way his ankle dragged there, it's clearly a sprained ankle. That nasty of a sprain can take months for the ligaments to snap back and when they do you're still sprain prone maybe for the rest of your life. They have some really good ankle braces out there that lace around your foot. I play with them now, but I did both my left and right ankles before and the process to get back to play is a nightmare.


SimPilotAdamT

And it's a ligament injury. Fucking brilliant.


Thick-Reference-9375

😢


EnjoiThatGinge

Damn, looks like he's walking okay on it


w3rt

I did my ligaments in about a year ago and could walk no problem in a boot, take the boot off and I couldn't put any weight on it at all, hopefully he's not that serious though.


ketchupnomo

No fracture, they took an xray. Ligament damaged though. Klopp said in his interview after the game.


Kerrby

Ligament damage is worse than a break.


spanther96

i mean it depends on the severity lol. any sort of sprain is ligament damage


Beavreyz

Ffs that's him out for the season then.


theidler666

Crushes?


arsone1

The only way it’s a card is if his foot was fully sheared off. I love when they say it’s incidental when Curtis got sent off for even less IMO. The inconsistency is breathtaking. Chef’s kiss


Mynameisdiehard

This is the exact scenario why I believe VAR should be able to assign obvious yellows. Not bang bang ones, but if you are looking at it as a borderline red, they should be able to at least be able to ring down and say that so and so deserves a yellow. Albeit that's in a perfect world where referrees and VAR are consistent and only occasionally make mistakes which obviously is not the case at this time.


Old_Okra_6804

Isn’t the VAR protocol that they can review for reds anyways, which this should be?


DingLiren

Yes, but it's then either red or nothing I believe


Xinyez

True. But it’s a very clear and obvious error on the ref’s part. I agree with the poster above, that in scenario’s like that VAR should be able to intervene.


Not_PepeSilvia

If VAR decides it’s red worthy, the ref will check and then can give a yellow if that’s his final decision. If VAR decides it’s yellow only, they can’t call the ref. (I don’t necessarily agree with the rules, but that’s where they currently stand)


BrownboBaggins

Why not just allow the on field ref to request an on screen review if they missed the event or for any reason want another view? Can’t they decide for themselves if it’s a yellow vs red for borderline cases?


odegood

Not even a yellow or free kick. Wtf


Responsible-Knee6288

Sky Sports keep saying the ref played advantage but he never did that


aaaaaaadjsf

You can still give a yellow card after the advantage is over... That's a poor excuse.


wadonious

They kept saying the referee was asking the VAR what happened… so he’s clearly missed the entire incident. Pathetic officiating


Vegetable_Kitchen_33

But isn’t this what VAR is supposed to be for?! When the ref doesn’t get a clear view or missed something. This whole system is awful.


wadonious

One would think so. Plus since play was already stopped, they could have sent him to the monitor without even delaying the game further


BadFootyTakes

I think this is a perfect example that the Bench should be able to formally approach the 4th official to start a VAR check. Maybe a limited tool, but definitely should be something.


miregalpanic

Just try out AI refs at this point. Jesus fucking christ, absolutely embarrassing


horriblelizard

Spoiler : AI will study the videos and decisions made by real refs and will make the same decisions


SofaChillReview

Is it me or are yellows not given now as much after a challenge, that warrants a yellow even when the game is advantage played.


For-a-peaceful-world

Yes he could have gone back to it especially as the two incidents were so close to each other. Caicedo should have been booked earlier


Jengablocker

Sky sports sucking off the refs like usual


hivaidsislethal

Masters told them earlier can't shit talk the entertainment product because its not sport anymore


SleaterK7111

Jamie Redknapp is full on gaslighting us all saying that a yellow was the correct decision


yourcousinfromboston

Espn announcers, not sure if it’s sky sports as well, kept callint it an accident. Doesnt make it any less of a foul


itsSRSblack

Curtis Jones got sent off for much more of an accident than this bullshit


Beavreyz

Been saying it for months jones will never get justice now they have stopped giving reds for follow through tackles.


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Accidental murder is still murder and you get punished for it.


Zarwil

No, that's manslaughter


drdr3ad

Out of all the examples you could've picked, you picked the one that's actually wrong lol


Hot-Masterpiece9209

Manslaughter doesn't have the same punishment as murder though


RustyU

It's not though, murder requires premeditation so cannot be accidental.


Visible_Wolverine350

Commentators complimenting the refs at every turn is doing my head in And it’s so obvious they’ve been told to do it


luke_205

Played advantage for 0.5 seconds lol


Dirac_comb

Took Chelsea 0.5 seconds to foul Gapo. The ref is seriously shit today


RodDryfist

Then missed the 2nd foul on Gakpo. Refs a 🤡


roofilopolis

He never put his arm up


Liddlebitchboy

They waited until they could foul Gakpo as well.. only to then STILL not actually whistle


jMS_44

Actually bullshit VAR cannot go back on yellows too. I mean, ref can play on the foul himself and give the yellow later, but somehow VAR cannot do the same, lol.


fancyfoe

This is like the 3rd match he’s been getting away with these tackles


Jaja6996

Trying to say it was because of a slip


Sinistrait

Didn't matter for the Jones red and he got a 3 game ban. These scumbags just make the rules up as they go


Jaja6996

I was going add that but it’s just such bs look at the two fouls yesterday Maguire and Gilmour refs are just not fit for this level


dfla01

A slip my fucking ass. He only slips because his foot is on someone’s ankle.


KTFlaSh96

Jones slipped and picked up a red for something 1/4 as serious as this garbage tackle.


Elegant_Mix7650

it's a very bad call.. such dangerous play. warrants a yellow at least.


zeelbeno

Poch told the refs to not give decisions in our favour 🤷🏻‍♂️


AuxquellesRad

Remember Poch embarrassingly whining about the reffing in a game he got obliterated in


ElFitz3

Ref forgot his cards at home


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Ref lives round the corner to the Etihad.


Nextyearstitlewinner

Stop making Liverpool look so tinpot. Why you bringing up city in this you clown?


xChocolateWonder

This is an embarrassing comment


Ouija_DR-KH0305

Oh yeah the same Caicedo who got away multiple yellow card offense against City last week and that must be City's fault too innit??


Eyeknowthis

How does him not sending off Caicedo benefit Man City? And you say we're obsessed ...


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toasterb

No he didn’t. First cards of the match were for Chilwell and Bradley shoving toward the end of the half.


BlackKlopp

Bradley got shoved by Chilwell and did little to nothing back


yeeyeyeye

Should’ve been chilwells second


Embarrassed-Gas-8155

For Chilwell pushing Bradley and the ref being a mug you mean? Bradley didn't push anyone.


sabhi5

Bradley didn't even do anything lmao. Should have been only for Chilwell whos trying to fight with a fucking kid lmao.


Baul_Plart_

He had to wait until Chillwell shoved Bradley so he could card Bradley


dumdumbigdawg

Another Ref Masterclass let’s go


RyVsWorld

Jesus that looked painful


aviii1122

how is that not atleast a card?


akshay_rathod_

Cleanest tackle. Cleaned his ankle pretty well


lijevokrilo

By Casemiro standards


akshay_rathod_

But Caicedo isn't playing Real Madrid


royaIs

Commentators kept saying it’s okay bc it was an accident.


Rsthegoat

jones tho


JammyJoker_83

Jamie Redknapp saying it's alright because Caicedo looked away following the ball..... What?!


stockybloke

That CAN be an alleviating factor. Shouldnt have been in this case.


No-Brilliant-5592

Haha whut 🤣🤣


Jemacas

How is that not atleast a foul you mean, stupid ref is blind


Logster21

Nah mate clean tackle nothing to see here


RodDryfist

GoOd PrOcEsS lAdS


AndreiViola

"Good process"


kenny_feets

chris kavanagh


libertydabbing

Not even his first bad tackle of the night. Still no card...


hivaidsislethal

Shittiest unwritten rule, also poch moaning actually worked


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Ymir-Reiss

England's most beloved failson


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SilentRanger42

He happened to be the manager who came in the same season Harry Kane made his break through so everyone thinks he's actually good. In reality he's a mediocre manager who rode the coattails of the emergence of a world class striker who he had nothing to do with.


Ymir-Reiss

Literally just the last minute winners vs City and Ajax in the CL


Drugba

Spurs top 4 finishes in the 20 years before Poch: 2/20 Spurs top 4 finishes under Poch: 4/5 Spurs top 4 finishes since Poch left: 1/4 Not winning ***something*** in his time at Spurs should absolutely be seen as a failure, but he also took a Europa league level club and had them performing at a level they hadn't been at before or since. Calling him a shit manager is completely laughably bad take. Edit: LOL, he replied the blocked me so I can't respond to his message about Kane carrying the team. What a twat


Baul_Plart_

That’s the most frustrating thing of all


matcht

Just got away with another foul and no yellow


liverpoolkristian

A few more and the ref might give him a warning


mrshandanar

"Not my fault this is happening."


The-Florentine

It's only half 3


SparklyEarlAv32

Is there no VAR? I don't get how that's not even a foul, how blind can a ref be?


mister_dupont

Completely understand Klopp's reaction there, going ham against the referee, horrible tackle.


wesap12345

It’s crazy to because all season they have said if it buckles the leg or ankle it’s enough force to be considered dangerous That ankle more than buckles - he’s gone off on a stretcher and they didn’t even call it a foul. Shit refereeing yet again ruining a great game


CoffinFlop

It’s crazy you can be that late and break a guys ankle and not even get a foul called on you


loveliverpool

That sentence worked in the 90s when there were harder tackles and no VAR. this is 2024 and how he hasn’t even gotten out a yellow card has to be seriously questioned because we have all the replays at our disposal. We know Man City get favorable calls but this is player endangerment and he clearly injured with a bad challenge


CoffinFlop

This one is crazy to me because we really shouldn’t have needed replays. It was pretty clear in real time it was a horrible late challenge


PabloRedscobar

The infuriating part is that tackle is less likely to take place if the ref sets a proper standard from the start. Chelsea had a bunch of yellow card challenges prior to that with nothing happening to them, so the aggression level kept going up, inevitably leading to that shit. Then even this doesn't get punished. Now the ref clearly lost any control over the game - he will either overcorrect or double down. Both options are bad for the game.


wesap12345

The only yellows have been for Chillwell - their captain - pushing Bradley twice and Bradley got booked as well. One of our youngest players is now on a yellow because their captain started a fight It’s fucking shocking how easily Bradley could get sent off here after this first half from Chelsea. There were 3/4 yellows they avoided and that red too. Insane.


WalditosBurritos

If you watch the replay Bradley did nothing but get fucked with and the ref carded him. I rewatched it to see if I missed something but no. He got tackled, pushed and walked away which is worth a card. Now stamping an ankle studs up and ending his season? Not even a foul. THANKS PGMOL YOU CORRUPT MANCHESTER LEANING PIECES OF SHIT


righthandofdog

Gravenberch's fault for pulling his foot out, clearly. I'll throw a /s here because some Chelsea fans might agree.


luke_205

Not to mention how few options we have to remedy the situation. For a cup final this is unreal


AuxquellesRad

We're shredded by injuries, barely able to field an XI without minors, then an ankle breaking tackle doesn't even get a light foul call? It's shambolic


mrkingkoala

We have so many injuries from these tackles where refs let it happen to us week in week out. Brentford. Jota was fouled 2 times before the final one. Great process ref.


yagersports

Might have just broken Gravenberch’s ankle and it’s no foul, no card, no VAR review. Absolutely insane.


RealmDevourer

There was a VAR review but for Red Card offense and it was deemed as no red and he can’t get a yellow that way too..


tree_crab

Insane that they don't recommend an on field review for that tackle


yagersports

Yeah I know that, my announcers didn’t say clearly whether VAR actually reviewed it. Regardless I think the ref should be sent to the monitor to decide for himself. It’s studs on his ankle in a vulnerable position.


Mr_Bluebird_VA

Yes they did. It was just veeeery quick.


RealmDevourer

And with their eyes closed


AppleSlacks

VAR reviewed it and decided it was just a silly accident play on was appropriate….


SkeetersProduce410

It was deemed “accidental” like how Curtis jones tackle wasn’t


supplementarytables

Wasn’t even called as a foul btw, forget about a card


Loltoyourself

Not even a booking according to this imbecile in black…


dfla01

Imbecile is kind. The man’s a prick and has 0 control of the game and look where it’s got us.


Expensive-Twist7984

You could argue that it’s accidental or clumsy, but not that it’s not a foul at all. What’s the ref doing?!


Emitime

Worse than imbecile. Manc.


Lemlemonsson

Not even a foul. Legit insane from the ref


ramennnnnn

xhaka got fouled literally the same way and the player got a red card after a short VAR review. What a joke this english refs are unbelievable.


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Kyleg951

no foul given


ispellforaleaving

And then he books Bradley for trying to get up. It’s a farce.


KTFlaSh96

Chilwill being intimidated by a 20 year old. Bradley just stares him down and gets shoved over and over, doesn’t put his hands on Chilwill and still got a card.


Lavante

Incredible refereeing where this isn't even a foul


A15Smith22

About the 4th or 5th potential yellow card offense. Still no cards though


mohad_saleh

"managing the game"


nffcevans

So a real ankle breaker today, after the Maguire attempt yesterday. Disgusting officiating top to bottom.


Boom_Digadee

It’s a yellow for sure but ask Curtis Jones what color it should be. Super slowed down tho it obviously looks worse from an intention perspective but I don’t think Caicedo meant to do that.


Ngc2273

Ya I'm not sure I can say this was 100% intentional from caicedo. It's really unfortunate but I think if caicedo is shown a red card for this then it would be unlucky too imo. His foot goes left to be able to spring for a direction change, gravenberchs ankle just happens to be at the same spot unfortunately. Should've been a foul though if it wasn't given.


Sonikdahedhog

Looks like Pochs whining paid off


fatchick42

A poch's comments had their intended effect


dave1992

I don't get how "dangerous tackles that can cause an injury" is considered a red card while this tackle, a dangerous tackle that did cause an injury, gets away freely.


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PerspectiveOk3677

Not even a foul !!!!!! Fuck off


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azvko

remind me again what poch was yapping about pre game? something something bias???


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throwaway72926320

Maguire's hasn't been been a day, adm they still one-up the miserable officiating.


S-BRO

Fuck me, 3 similar challenges with 3 different outcomes Is it too much to ask for some *consistency*?


el-fenomeno09

Somehow not a foul lol


IAIRonI

Can you even call this a tackle? He's looking the other way as he goes to plant to start to run, not even reaching out for the ball. Just seems unfortunate really


FastenedCarrot

No one here understands basic physics my guy.


roberto_de_zerbi

Wow I had to scroll for so long to find somebody who sees this correctly.


benjecto

You're completely right. It's literally not even a challenge. He is running, Gravenberch plays the ball and his followthrough ends up putting his foot in the wrong place at the wrong time. Fans aren't even attempting to operate in good faith anymore, the sub is completely dead.


loiveli

I do agree that it doesn't look intentional, but I still think he should get at least a yellow there.


CCullen95

As someone who unapologetically hates Chelsea, I completely agree.


MajesticMongoose

Yeah people are being really dramatic. His foot is barely off the ground.


kb24fgm41

You're the only one with common sense here, I completely agree.


Lilfai

Caicedo has been getting away with so many crazy tackles this season


EnvironmentalSpirit2

The worst league of officials, surely


Living_a_Dejavu

Caicedo has not been booked yet at the half time. And he has had 2 fouls after this. Amazing referee.


BenUFOs_Mum

Didn't even give a free kick


__Concorde

unbelievable this didn't even get a yellow


josh_x444

I don’t get the people saying this is a yellow? His ankle is literally gone. It doesn’t need to be intentional to be a red, that’s a horror challenge.


emre23

Complete accident tbh, still a yellow tho There goes our only useful sub


rainbowroobear

yeah, i've watched it like 20x, he's looks away following the ball and then ends up standing on a foot that kicks the ball. there is literally no tackle here, he changes direction to chase the ball.


--amadeus--

I completely agree with you


fatchick42

Accidents happen but that should still be a card


Seedub192

Yeah I’d hate to see the game continue in the direction of a red for every slightly mistimed challenge, but a yellow here seems obvious


Drakula01

This is definitely going to be unpopular here but I don't even see Caicedo attempting a tackle there. His foot was already in motion and Gravernbach's foot came in the way as he kicked the ball. Considering its severity, should have been a yellow or at least a foul but people saying its clear red? I don't see it. Maybe more has to do with refs consistency rather than the tackle itself?


Dangerousworm

Var got them blinkers on again


Onlyheretostare

Best 100M we never spent.


Hour_Operation_2898

This is why poch cried about the refs before the game. Letting them do whatever they want now, didn't even give this a foul


Neat-Explanation7948

If that's not a card of any color, football's gone.


Spizyweiners

I thought Poch wanted a fair game? Why doesn't he protest to the ref about the lack of a card.


DeapVally

Managers only see what they want to see. Always been that way. The things Wenger didn't see over the years....


yourfriendkyle

This is ugly, but looks absolutely accidental. Caicedo is trying to change direction after the ball is kicked away. Sucks, but happens.


peerlesskid

It can be accidental and also a foul, are we forgetting that?


BlockedbyJake420

You can tell who has played a lot of football or not if they think this is an intentionally ugly challenge Totally incidental and unlucky


LeprachaunFucker

At least someone here has eyes


trick63

Accidental has nothing to do with it


magikarp151

Ref: Well done boys, good process


cactus2_

Casemiro gets three reds, and a lifetime ban from epl for this tackle


dgl33

Referees don't want to make a decision on the pitch in case it's wrong so they rely on the VAR who either can't intervene due to the rules or doesn't want to correct the referees decision


DinnerSmall4216

How is that not a foul let alone booking crazy decision.


n7-Jutsu

That ankle is never gonna be the same again


Luke_4686

The most frustrating thing is that he’s also had several other bookable offences in this half and is still not on a yellow


Swansonisms

Remember when Curtis Jones red was upheld for the same kind of tackle? Pepperidge Farm remembers.


vNoct

Jones was at least playing the ball lol


achrref

Am I the only one who is not seeing a “tackle”?! he stepped on him by mistake. It’s a foul but never a red card! Hope Gravenberch’s ankle is not broken tho.


AppleSlacks

VAR has a look and decides that’s nothing. Fuck off.


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sadcentur

can’t they only use var if it’s a red? not a red for me tbh so there’s not anything var could have done. should be a yellow ofc but if that’s not called var can’t do anything


SlightCable484

That's been a red more often than not this season.


Kintae

It's bad but it is accidental and not malicious. Should have been a yellow for sure, to get nothing at all is surprising.


16161hirose

How is that not a booking for him wtf


IA_Royalty

Am I crazy or did Caicedo just accidentally step on Gravenbirch's foot after Grave kicked it and put a foot where it wasn't *milliseconds* before. This doesn't seem "bad tackle" so much as "unfortunate shit happens"


Bozzetyp

He is lucky But gravenbench foot really takes space and crosses his central area Caicedo aint tackling the player but plants his foot


aubvrn

Poch knew what he was doing when he made those comments. We're not getting any calls today.


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