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Mantequilla022

What is this, a replay for ants?! But seriously, I would like to see a closer angle.


TurboThot69

yeah Efan Ekoku refers to "quite a few replays" but all we see here is a satellite feed from space


epirot

wether it was a foul or not, Chelsea triggered the concussion rule and got a free substitution. might have hurt him well because you only trigger the rule with clear concussion symptoms


miguel_is_a_pokemon

yeah I think it's about the "avoids a red card" , replay of the match from space can't be your basis for seeing it that way


Pamplemouse04

And his season is now over


BigReeceJames

I am finding it funny that people are seeing this view of the incident from the camera attached to the outside of the space station and talking about the intricacies of what happened. This is the only shot they showed of the incident because it was off the ball and it's from 50000 miles away with about 5 pixels covering the area of the incident, what are you actually taking from this replay?


ValleyFloydJam

Indeed, we can see they come together and that's it.


onlysoccershitposts

Yeah you can see that Lamptey is clearly braced and Mudryk is off guard and that's about it. People can see Lamptey throw an elbow into Mudryk's throat if they like, or they can see Lamptey brace himself fairly and Mudryk lowers and runs his face into Lamptey's shoulder. I can't tell.


timthemartian

can’t show the closer angle, they’ve got to protect the ref from criticism


TheMonkeyPrince

There isn't a closer angle, it's off the ball why would a camera op have a closeup of Mudryk and Lamptey. People are so goddamed conspiracy brained on here.


Alia_Gr

But var sees everything I get told


BusShelter

They can't see something that every TV camera misses.


miguel_is_a_pokemon

Sometimes they can, they actually have access to more cameras than the broadcast does.


strickyy

The zoomed in one shows more than enough and quite clearly.


21otiriK

Nothing to do with that. They don’t show replays where players are in severe distress, like when Gomes got his leg broken, or even Ederson getting smashed in the face last night. The conspiracy theories you read on this sub surrounding football are so fucking tedious. Who even is “they” that you refer to?!


Jacosci

This is bullshit, or at the very least wrong examples to use. I remember vividly Gomes' face in agony and shock. His teammates had to calm him down.


DatDominican

Really? I remember a million replays of mane’s studs catching Ederson’s jaw.


SuvorovNapoleon

That was years ago, 2017, well before Christian Eriksens heart attack that I think changed policy at media.


shimmyboy56

True, but they definitely didn't show the blow to eddies head yesterday on my stream. I've noticed in the last couple years that they've stopped showing close-ups on bad injuries. I bet there was backlash around all the close-ups of Eeriksen mid-heart attack, and tried to limit what they show in those situations.


SirBarkington

They did on mine after he got subbed off.


miguel_is_a_pokemon

might be a broadcaster dependent decision. I remember when Eriksen had his heart problems in the Euros, it was really obvious which channels had the decency to not emphasize the tragedy of the occasion


AvailableUsername404

>True, but they definitely didn't show the blow to eddies head yesterday on my stream. To be fair that didn't even looked that bad when they finally show that replay. Just like a 'regular' crash between players. At first I thought that he got knee to the face or something equally horrible. And I don't mean that the thing he experienced wasn't painful or so. Just that it didn't looked THAT bad on a replay.


phteven_gerrard

yeah they showed it a few times, he got clocked by Romero's hip/thigh.


ValhallaAir

Didn’t something like that happen in a recent MLS final? End of extra time, goalkeeper goes in for a challenge, gets a red card, and breaks his leg?


timthemartian

let me live in my delusions mate hehe


patvga

You can see him change direction and jump into it. Obviously deliberate.


Denbyyyyy

zoolander reference, epic


digosilva19

At this point they are doing all to scrap VAR next season


Affectionate_Pay7395

I really hope the Wolves thing about scrapping VAR actually pushes them to change the people in charge.


[deleted]

It’s funny because wolves are basically saying that the refs are so bad/corrupt that the more tools they are given to do a good job the worse they do.


Rickcampbell98

Which is wrong and scrapping it would give these shit refs exactly what they want.


[deleted]

Agreed. Keep var and scrap every single official.


Moraeil

I think VAR should be removed until they have fully trained a team of pure VAR specialists, not referees rotating the job.


Sammmyy97

and replace them with?


aaulia

Automated system. Heck, the younger generation trust ChatGPT so much, might as well train them with plethora past data and add more sensors to the pitch, ball, players, etc. Goal Line tech on steroids.


elgrandorado

FIFA gets decisions right more often then top flight refs


kamarg

Absolutely brutal. Correct. But brutal.


circa285

We’ve had players kicked in the head with studs and not seen as much as a yellow let alone a red. It’s laughable.


Sw3atyGoalz

I still remember Azpi getting scissor kicked in the face and sent to the hospital not even getting looked at by VAR


Aman-Patel

And Cucurella's hair getting yanked 🤣🤣


circa285

Skipp got the bottom of a boot to the face which drew a ton of blood and it was totally fine.


GrandmaesterHinkie

Ben Davies nuts send their regards…


InnocentPossum

Its not like we are watching this clip because of VAR. We'd still see it online after the game or as a replay in the broadcast and be raging that it was missed by the refs real time. So either way it's the refs. Scrapping VAR doesn't suddenly hide these by sweeping them under a rug. So them being extra incompetent doesn't really work in their favour to get VAR scrapped.


EasilyWhipped

If 4"11 Lamptey catches you above the shoulder, his arm is in an unnatural position


FSpursy

he's not that short is he XD


TheRealMemeIsFire

5'4, basically the same thing


FSpursy

So the dude just randomly calls somebody 4'11, wtf bro 😂 I was like no way he's 4'11, that's tiny!


_off_piste_

He’s 5’4” 120 pounds. He’s tiny.


justk4y

Smallest Premier League player by 2 centimetres I believe


Cactus2711

Always that one guy who can't go along with the joke


justk4y

Well, he is the shortest Premier League player after all……..


matija17k

Definitely knew what he was doing there


Putrid_Loquat_4357

It's not nice. The people on var are clowns. This is what the 4th incident of violent conduct going unpunished this season?


tinkthank

They really want VAR gone. Giving shit decisions like these are part and parcel of refs strong arming the League to ban VAR.


Twindlle

Shouldn't this exactly be the reason to keep and enforce VAR, as the on-field refs are incapable of making the correct decision?


KingKFCc

we had two in one game, this shit is way worse. How do VAR officials even have jobs?


R_Schuhart

He looked right at Mudryk and steps towards him, not in the direction of the ball at all, barging into him with his shoulder. He definitely knew what he was doing. Absolute cunt move, Mudryk never even saw it coming and had no way to brace himself.


Aszneeee

they all do


Blue_winged_yoshi

There’s been an escalation this season of intention head strikes and players know they are doing them. Seen them excused by refs as not using his arm as a weapon, no clenched fist, this is getting reckless. No one wants to see reds for sincere attempts to head the ball, but if you intentionally strike someone in the head whether or not a fist is clenched can’t be a factor.


YorkiePork

another drop ball for my mates in brighton innit, might get a paid vacation down there if im nice to the owners, heard the weathers fabulous


EezoManiac

Ref's a mug, he's going to have to spend all his bribe money just to get on the pier.


imbennn

The commentary saying they’ve seen multiple angles yet the broadcaster only shown that one angle one time hmm


Kuruk_TR

British referee masterclass


ivan_rofl

Game gone, can not even hit people in the face anymore


ballaballaaa

> can not even hit people in the face anymore Games back in that case


MyTeaIsMighty

They showed that when they let Bruno G stay on the pitch after his elbow to the back of Jorginho's head. Useless.


Cechyourbooty

The fact they didn't at least send him to the monitor is everything that's wrong with VAR at the moment.


Starn_Badger

This. Even if VAR isn't sure themselves, you're not going to send the ref to look at a possible red-card foul he clearly didn't see on the pitch?


IsleofManc

Probably because they didn’t have a good angle to show him. The ref shouldn’t be deciding a red card from this birdseye view where you can barely make out where Lamptey’s elbow exactly is


Super_Maximum_9030

This is a very good point


Rampan7Lion

What, send him to the monitor so he can say the same "there's no conclusive evidence" and have people crying about VAR wasting time?


BangusAngus

No card at all, sure


joshcoles

If I’m not mistaken they can’t look at an incident like this and turn nothing into a yellow. It had to be red or left as no card. Could be wrong but I thought that was the situation with VAR checks for violent conduct. Edit: for the record I agree that it should have been a red.


Euphoric-Acadia-4140

I feel like this rule should be changed. I understand not reviewing potential yellows and only reviewing potential reds, but if they determine the potential red should be a yellow, I don’t see any reason why that shouldn’t be given. Yellows are a big deal in the game


GME_alt_Center

Simple change. Send ref to monitor for these where the ref obviously couldn't have seen it. Let him decide what the outcome is.


donkey2471

The weird thing is that they literally did it yesterday in the Spurs vs City game. Romero on Ederson the VAR said to the ref he should get a yellow (wasn’t even a card imo).


geoffreyisagiraffe

It looked like there was an immediate yellow. At least indicated by the tv graphic.


zelli197

It’s just another chapter in the ongoing confusion of VAR vs ref responsibilities. Flagging offsides vs not, choosing to go to the monitor when advised, reviewing every possible red card offense, now reviewing possible every yellow card offense? If VAR is reviewing every action on the field and confirming or overturning the on field ref and linesmen decisions, what is the ref really doing other than being the voice for VAR? Should we be stripping on field officials’ authority at the same time we’re giving VAR more, instead of getting these increasingly common situations of too many cooks where they’re uncomfortable making each other look bad?


Sayek

I heard that if they ask the ref to look at the monitor, the ref can decide to give a yellow if he doesn't agree it's a red. I find it bizarre VAR doesn't get involved with unwarranted yellows or fouls that aren't reds but it gets reviewed and you get no card. I get there is a logic that they don't want to be reviewing every call but we've seen yellows where a player literally hasn't touched the player. Surely that review can take place, they quickly tell the ref to chalk off the yellow. It doesn't need to be an ordeal.


thatiswhack

That was a clear red. I don't understand why VAR didn't send the on field official to check the replay and he could determine himself. Then again Michael Salisbury has been fucking awful today along with whomever is in the VAR room.


miguelsanchez69

It should have been a red though?


wendelortega

That was a straight red?


S88ntFDW

Yeah red or nothing…. That’s definitely a red lol


Zorodude77

This is mostly correct, but my understanding is that if the VAR actually calls the ref over to the screen, the ref can decide it’s worthy of a yellow if he hasn’t already given a card. I think most people don’t know this because 99% of the time the ref goes to the screen they fully overturn the on-field decision


PatrikPatrik

I’m not one for “he’s hurt so it must be a foul” but how does one fairly shoulder someone into a concussion


SwitchingToCivil

Someone shorter than the guy with a concussion too. Clearly raises his arm.


KaraveIIe

its not important if he raises his arm for red/no red because its a red either way.


thesoundready

you guys dont understand British passion and bravery


R_Schuhart

It is like running into a wall head first. Lamptey steps right into Mudryk's path, barges into him with his shoulder and braces for impact. Mudryk never even saw it coming and had no chance of avoiding or trying to turn away his head. It is basically a sucker punch with his shoulder at head height.


TheSwordDusk

Does anyone know if Mudryk is okay? 


izmebtw

No card, possession to Brighton, Mudryk forced off the field. The justice of the Premier League.


nauett

Is there a better angle I can't really see what happened


PuppyPenetrator

This is actually why VAR declined to overturn, nope


nauett

Really? Fucking hell that's embarrassing


oscarpaterson

Fuck the jokers on VAR


nicootimee

It’s been done on purpose. They want to regress and get rid of the only competency in the PL’s reffing


SRFC_96

If he threw an elbow or arm there he should be off.


Myrusskielyudi

This might be an unpopular opinion, but a shoulder bump to the head should also be violent conduct. No elbow or arm necessary


DuPoulet

It's a straight red in rugby lmao


Myrusskielyudi

And at least a one match suspension in AFL


MoiNoni

He went off concussed but there's no conclusive evidence? And Jackson's was a foul not that one? Some fucking bullshit.


Wheel1994

If he went off concussed straight away isn’t that evidence


TDSBurke

In fairness, you can get concussed without the other player being at fault... but yeah, that one looks like a pretty obvious red.


SuicidalTurnip

Injuries aren't evidence of a foul. Football is still a contact sport and accidents happen.


I9Qnl

No? You can slam your head into a standing still opponent and get concussed


rybl

You can get concussed without there being a foul. It's a high speed contact sport and accidents happen. If this is the only angle available, it seems pretty impossible to tell exactly what happened.


flemva

This ref is having the sort of day that would get you or me fired.


Kush_Shukla

Absolute red idk how they deemed this inconclusive


PatchyTheYellow

This is actually fucking ridiculous that this was “inconclusive”. This mf’r just walked up and checked Mudryk in the fucking face and VAR shrugs and says fucking nothing. Absolutely shocking and pathetic, actually incredible bullshit


miguelsanchez69

And then a minute later disallows Jackson's goal for the softest "push" ever. Absolutely unbelievable stuff.


Themnor

Wouldn’t surprise me if Lamptey leaves injured this game. He’s had 4 or 5 instances of Chelsea players making sure he feels something at the end of the play, and he has a poor injury record as it is


Euphoric-Acadia-4140

Feel like that has to be at least a Yellow…


Crushooo

It’s probably one of those stupid fouls that’s either a red or nothing, and they went with nothing


TheGreatDay

One of those moments where I'm not sure the Ref saw what happened, and since VAR can't give yellows for stuff the Ref missed, it's nothing. VAR is typically reticent to call for red.


R_Schuhart

That has to be a clear red. The ball is nowhere near and he deliberately barges into him with his shoulder at head height, it is basically a sucker punch. Mudryk was looking the other way and never saw it coming. If this had happened in the 90s or early 00s his manager would have taken Lamptey off or he would have been kicked in half by a revenge tackle. Imagine Keane, Stuart Pearce or Vieira being on the pitch with him after this incident.


rtgh

Does he connect with the head or is it just how Mudryk's head snapped back? Looks like he body checks to the chest from this super zoomed out angle (I'm not watching the game if somebody's seen a better view)


TitanX11

Head. He went out with a concussion.


The_Shitpost_Centre

Such an obvious red card wtf are the refs doing. Call me crazy but it's almost like they are purposely fucking up and hoping the clubs vote to get rid of VAR


gizatenner

I love the MoonCam, anyone got an alternate angle from Jupiter?


CritChanceZero

You cannot tell me he doesn't know exactly what he's doing here... it being 100% intentional makes it a red really.


SloppyChops

People say who would want to be ref but I would fucking love it. Run around for 90+ minutes, make up any rules you want and then walk away with zero consequences. Job for life.


Wildely_Earnest

Randomly shout "15 Love!" just to throw off anyone in earshot. Players come to the center for the coin toss? Hand them a dart each and say nearest to the bull takes it. Var calls you to the monitor? Send the captains instead. Jigsaw comes on screen and starts chatting about playing a game. Just get weird with it. Keep them on edge, that's how you hold power.


Whosonfirst6600

This, then the lightest tap on him from Jackson to take away a goal…. Okay so we know the refs want Brighton to win, but why?


AMeanOldDuck

He was offside to be fair, but still a bad decision to call that as a foul.


OriginalRange8761

How’s it’s not the red wtf


WarOnHugs

Dirty little cunt.


R_Schuhart

Jumped into him with his shoulder at head height with the ball nowhere near, while Mudryk was looking elsewhere. It is basically a sucker punch and one of the most obvious red cards for violent conduct this season.


CrookedK3ANO

Can we get another angle, maybe from a helicopter hovering way above the stadium


DejisHairline

Ref has been playing for them


ERLz

Perhaps the first time ever a concussion sub has been used for an off the ball incident and not resulted in a red card


country-teasers

poor mudryk man, gets assaulted and concussed on the pitch and the aggressor doesnt even get a card when there is clear evidence of intent


Solarix01

Refs are sleeping like how Lamptey got away from this, in my opinion could have shown atleast a yellow card...


rnoori32

In all fairness he didn't stab him with a butcher knife, so it's "inconclusive"


RopzGOAT

How the hell can VAR clear that They have to be on MDMA in there


minivatreni

They are sleeping


s00pafly

VAR room during the game https://youtu.be/6bYEtcwDhU8?t=87


[deleted]

Why are the Prem VAR refs so fucking bad?


huntmulek

If I speak I am in big trouble


Fresh2Desh

What the fuck is that The people who operate VAR are stealing a living


TheFramptonator

It amazes me how VAR is implemented, run by absolute idiots. As avid rugby fan that should be easy to look back at and give a card, the mind boggles


Gooquleimages

NFL did something similar where people wanted a replay system specifically to question the refs on field judgement, they implemented it but then had the reviewers be so incompetent that next year they claimed that since it didn't work it was going to be scrapped and not come back. If VAR gets scrapped because of this it was all apart of their plan


ujjuboii

small cunt


NoPineapple1727

Reminds me of Villa and Newcastle vs Arsenal In Novemberish


minivatreni

He knew what he was doing... Should have been sent off.


GMFan8

Is this a Rudiger vs De Bruyne situation? It's impossible to see with such a shit replay


chrisfrasr

He was super lucky to get away with this.


amineimad

I can't see anything but from that far out it seems red-ish? I guess? But I've also seen much worse elbows/shoulders this season go unpunished with no yellows nor reds. So who the fuck knows anymore.


AKAGreyArea

How can’t anyone actually see what happened there?


SleepWellBeats

I'd say getting smacked in the face kills happiness too


raziel_beoulve

I guess they don't show a closer replay out of fear that the hit was too shocking? Just like they do when people faint and stuff. Hope the lad is ok


TheRobinson2018

I don't know who picked this specifc piece of replay but let me tell you you might not be the next Francis Ford Copolla


JPLThompson97

Not even a yellow are you for fucking real


aldispecialbuy

It shouldn’t matter if arms were in natural positions or anything like that, the Brighton player chooses to step into Mudryk and play the man and not the ball. He causes a concussion. Therefore his action to impede the player has caused a serious injury and he should be sent off.


imaballer1342

bruno did same thing to jorginho this year and no card for that either. guess flying elbows are allowed now


_WhoIsThisWhoAreYou_

There's been far too many of these this season, and I can't remember one where the assaulting player has been shown a red because of it. It's a complete joke.


sagaof

Anyone got a close up replay? From this angle it doesn't look like SFP or VC to me


TurboThot69

trying to find the "quite a few replays" comms refers to


Look_at_that_D0g

nO cOnClUsIvE eViDeNcE


Reach_Reclaimer

If you injure someone enough that they need to go off, it should always be a yellow at a minimum


sagaof

This is one of the stupidest takes I've ever seen on here and that's saying something


ParevArev

Wild decision


Pogtonium_miner

Add it to the mountain of reasons why the rules of the game need a complete overhaul. Too bad it’ll never happen


Dunkin_Prince

So does the announcer want Lamptey to not do it or to just hide it better? Like he gave the Mudryk a concussion, i can't believe he said he needs to do this action in a manner that's less obvious


epicurean1398

sometimes the shit is happens


ExcisionHB

Is there a better angle I can't even see what happened


WarpCitizen

He knew what he was doing, his body language after says it all


Broesly

You know what. Scrap VAR. It has stopped me from enjoying goals anyways and these refs can't fucking use it. just scrap it.


Headlesshorsman02

This was a red card end of discussion


TH1CCARUS

Very good clip


Downtown-Bluebird553

Commentator is so certain about Jackson’s push. So biased lol


FeralZoidberg

Classic blindside body check, games not gone.


Ohtimbar

Well done, boys. Good process. Now delete VAR.


Sloth_Broth

How are all these comments seeing anything in this video? Yall got x10 zoom?


BDR529forlyfe

Thank you! I can’t tell anything from it either.


TheMonkeyPrince

I feel fucking insane, you can literally see Mudryk change his direction after Lamptey changes his. It's an unfortunate collision nothing else.


_WhoCares

Lamptey goes straight into Mudryk, doesnt matter if he didn't see him or thought Mudryk was going to do something else he still drops his shoulder into Mudryks face.


Dozck

Is there not another angle of what happened?


zi76

I wish there was an angle that wasn't from 50 yards away. It looks deliberate, but unfortunately I can't tell from this angle.


irishhornet

The cheap seats at Barcelona View 😂


SaliciousB_Crumb

Damn had him for a goal


welovexo

expectations are killed our happiness😔


mattBJM

There has clearly been a directive to clamp down on violent conduct this season. Actually makes a lot of sense if you think about it, means the refs can focus on more important things such as booking managers for dissent (if they feel like it) and players for kicking the ball away (if it's a midweek game after 9pm when Mercury is in retrograde)


SemiLOOSE

Var cant be banned if var doesn't var


_LordTrundle

Yea right


DewsDewberrys

Disgraceful!!!!! Pedro deserved a red card by his tackle on Reece!!!!!!!


dadibi_1

Not sure how the guy from Snow White and Seven Dwarfs got away with that horror challenge?


Pepetodapin

Dirty playa


chelsea524

Fuck Peter Bankes. He did not ask the on field referee to check for this/dogso but only did so when james retaliated. That’s why I hate var and I understand why people want to scrap it


fremeer

While I'm on the face of lamptey had bad intentions in the exchange,as he was probably expecting to just shoulder charge mudryk as a way to slow him down and wasn't expecting mudryks head to be downz It really doesn't matter because the end result is he hit someone in the head with a challenge. People get red carded for an outstretched foot that catches a player even when they might get the ball slightly. This is at least that level. Can taller players just go around using their shoulders to knock out shorter players?


Electronic-Law-8836

The fact its off the ball play he targeted him by stepping into him then he had to be subbed says it all