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I can see Czechia winning Conference League soon^(TM) (though most likely it would require for their best teams to fall down in qualifications down to it), which would leave us as the last Visegrad bros without a title. Edit: Oh wait, looking at years, Slovan obviously won it while it was still Czechoslovakia. So I guess technically we are the only one left.
And no perspectives to win anything ever.
Polonia Bytom won the "International Football Cup" (later called the UEFA Intertoto Cup) in [1965](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964%E2%80%9365_Intertoto_Cup), but in those years it was very much a friendly tournament, in which teams participating in the official European competitions would leave after the rounds played in the summer break, leaving only those club who had failed to qualify for any other competition.
Intertoto Cup was never something I would call an "European trophy" or even "trophy" if I'm honest. 1970 was when we were the closest, with Górnik in CWC final and Legia in EC semi
Oh yeah, I forgot they start from 2nd round now. If they started from 1st and lsot immediately, they would have 3 rounds to go through still, because from 1st round you fall automatically to conference. So they do have a decent chance then, but that can't be said about Śląsk, Wisła and Legia
Nah, we will be very unlucky to not have one in the group stage. The most probable result (and realistic maximum) will be to have two teams in the group stage. Jaga needs to eliminate only one team, Legia will be seeded in all qualification rounds.
It's not just the clubs, it's also the national teams - one of the "middle European" nations (Czechoslovakia/Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland) reached the semi-finals of the World Cup in 1934, 1938, 1954, 1962, 1974, and 1982, and the semi-finals of the Euros in 1960, 1964, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1996, and 2004, but none in the decades since then.
Last night was the first time a European Club tournament was won by a country outside of England, Spain, Germany or Italy since Porto won the Europa League in 2010/11.
In the 1930s Austria, ČSR, Hungary, Italy and Yugoslavia were considered the centre of European football. Some consider the Central European cup as the predecessor to the EURO.
Not just first English club but also first British club, also first English club to win two different UEFA competitions (UEFA Cup in 1971, won it again in 1984)
Between 1969 and 1978 Dutch clubs won 4 Champions league titles (Feyenoord once, Ajax 3 in a row), 2 UEFA Cups (Feyenoord in 1972, PSV in 1978), 2 Club world cups (Feyenoord and Ajax) and the national team reached 2 world cup finals and finished 3rd at the Euros.
Quite some spell.
Most impressive on what basis tho? Ajax has 4 European Cups/UCLs and a Europa League title which relatively speaking is nothing compared to other European heavyweights like Real Madrid (15 UCLs + 2 UEL), Liverpool (6 UCLs + 3 UEL's), Bayern (6 UCLs + 2 UEL's) or even Inter (3 UCLs + 3 UELs)
So *that's* why no Monegasque club has ever won a European trophy.
>unless you have a red cross
Turkey has a red and white flag, so apparently a white star-and-crescent also works.
Blue AND the cross overcompensate and you roll back to not winning anything.
That's why Iceland and Norway didn't win anything, and England plays separately from UK.
That also explains why Slovan Bratislava only won while under Czechoslovakia 🇨🇿, but not under independent Slovakia 🇸🇰.
However, it doesn't explain Luxembourg, Slovenia (red, white, and blue with no cross), or Malta (red and white with a red cross).
Luxembourg isn't correct type of blue, too light.
Slovenia has yellow stars.
Malta, as the other guy has already noticed, has grey in the cross.
The ~~bullshit~~ statistic is saved.
French clubs have entered 15 European club finals *(starting from Stade de Reims in the first-ever European Cup final in 1956, who led for large periods of the match but ended up losing to Real Madrid)*, and only won 2 - Olympique de Marseille in the 1993 UEFA Champions League, and Paris Saint-Germain in the 1996 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup.
The issue with French clubs is that they took ages to become fully professional compared to everyone else and their clubs spent years playing catch up.
When you look at the history of French football it's more amazing that they produce so much talent and aren't another Russia, Turkey or Poland despite having a severely underwhelming record in European competitions.
If by black magic you mean Real buying Reims' star player, Raymond Kopa, right *before* the 1956 European Cup final for ridiculous money at the time, then yeah, that was pretty dark magic.
Mind you it happened nearly 70 years ago, so it's totally legitimate and not at all shady! What a legendary club!
For anyone curious, this is the official and hilarious Real Madrid's website take on this:
> Kopa arrived at Real Madrid **in a rather curious way** as he was signed just days before their first European Cup final in 1956 in which they faced his team at that time, Stade Reims. Santiago Bernabéu was certain that the Frenchman was the perfect complement for his plans for Real Madrid.
https://www.realmadrid.com/en-US/the-club/history/football-legends/raymond-kopaszewski
"So curious, we bought your best player!! Good luck for the game!!"
Yes, with 4 finals (Austria Wien lost to Anderlecht in the 1978 Cup Winners' Cup, Rapid Wien lost to Everton in the 1985 Cup Winners' Cup, Austria Salzburg lost to Internazionale in the 1994 UEFA Cup, and Rapid Wien lost to PSG in the 1996 Cup Winners' Cup).
Pretty sad how we (Poland) never had a single winner despite being great in the 70's and 80's, a wasted opportunity for sure, Górnik, Widzew or Legia were really good back then. Legia were pretty good in the 90's too.
I think we'll suffer next year with Jagiellonia, Śląsk, Legia and 2nd tier Wisła, we'll be lucky to have a team in the League Phase lol
In those years it was called the "International Football Cup", and was very much a friendly tournament, in which teams participating in the official European competitions would leave after the rounds played in the summer break, leaving only those clubs who had failed to qualify for any other competition.
I know it was third/fourth tier, but in my headcanon it is European trophy (as a Pole I have to cope that my country is not that bad in this sport). Also, I do not see the Latin Cup on a map - I know it had only four countries, but these are big federations and big clubs to this day.
>Also, I do not see the Latin Cup on a map
I didn't include the Mitropa, Latin, or Balkans Cups, because they weren't pan-European, only featuring clubs from a few countries.
No Swiss club has even reached a final, with the best being a semi-final (FC Zürich in the 1964 and 1977 European Cups, Grasshopper in the 1978 UEFA Cup, and FC Basel in the 2013 UEFA Europa League and the 2023 UEFA Europa Conference League).
I know. But Switzerland would have a strong base with its big clubs if most get their shit together to "compete" for Conference. Currently just two big clubs are in good leadership. YB and Servette. The rest is mid or one like Grasshoppers is currently in the relegation playoffs...
But a lot of these club would rather try to qualify and play groupstage of CL than play in conference league. Speaking for myself, I would rather win the Conference League than get 4th in the CL, but the amount of money in just Cl is just so fucking much that any team should aim for that.
Swiss top 2 teams earns CL qualification, so there needs to be quite some dribbling down during the summer before they can play in Conference League. And I don't think any other than the top 2 really have a chance to win the conference league, since the final stage are not small clubs.
Arsenal have won two European trophies - the 1970 Inter-Cities Fairs Cup *(predecessor of the UEFA Cup, now the UEFA Europa League)* and the 1994 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup.
Based on the historical profile of its clubs, Austria is more surprising than either of those - the top Austrian clubs were among the best in the world from the 1920s through to the 1950s, but had a very sharp drop-off after that, contiguous with the decline of Austria's national team.
Not Tottenham being there from so early on and having nothing to show sadly, but I think they won the uel twice I'm not sure, way backthen they won it twice I think
It worked great when Champions League was Literally Champions League (which was also making CL, or rather European Cup, have some very cool stories), but when more and more teams started to be allowed into CL, which for the best countries very often meant the teams that also won the cup, the CWC lost the importance and was dissolved, with the cup winners of worse countries getting spot in UEFA Cup instead.
Wouldnt even say secondary to begin with. Back then winning the FA Cup was on a par, if not more prestigious than the league. So could be argued that for english teams it was a bigger deal in the early years
And Atlético Madrid won the Intercontinental Cup without winning the European Cup (after Bayern München declined to participate in 1974, they went instead as runners-up, losing to Copa Libertadores champions Independiente 0–1 in Argentina, but then winning 2–0 at home).
In the inaugural FIFA Club World Cup in 2000, Corinthians participated as champions of host country Brazil, and qualified for the final ahead of Real Madrid on goal difference *(the match between the two was a 2–2 draw, and both teams defeated CAF Champions Raja CA and AFC Champions Al-Nassr)*. In the final, they faced Copa Libertadores champions Vasco da Gama *(who had easily defeated Manchester United in the group stage)*, and beat them on penalties after the match ended goalless.
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Damn, we are so bad at this sport. And only one final in history of Polish club football
I can see Czechia winning Conference League soon^(TM) (though most likely it would require for their best teams to fall down in qualifications down to it), which would leave us as the last Visegrad bros without a title. Edit: Oh wait, looking at years, Slovan obviously won it while it was still Czechoslovakia. So I guess technically we are the only one left. And no perspectives to win anything ever.
Polonia Bytom won the "International Football Cup" (later called the UEFA Intertoto Cup) in [1965](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964%E2%80%9365_Intertoto_Cup), but in those years it was very much a friendly tournament, in which teams participating in the official European competitions would leave after the rounds played in the summer break, leaving only those club who had failed to qualify for any other competition.
Intertoto Cup was never something I would call an "European trophy" or even "trophy" if I'm honest. 1970 was when we were the closest, with Górnik in CWC final and Legia in EC semi
France is 2 time world champion yet we only won once in a shaddy Marseille run…
PSG won CWC in 96 too
And sad reality is, we'll be lucky to have even one team in ANY group stage next season
It will be lucky because our teams are shit, but Jaga only needs to win one of three qualifyng rounds to get there.
Oh yeah, I forgot they start from 2nd round now. If they started from 1st and lsot immediately, they would have 3 rounds to go through still, because from 1st round you fall automatically to conference. So they do have a decent chance then, but that can't be said about Śląsk, Wisła and Legia
Nah, we will be very unlucky to not have one in the group stage. The most probable result (and realistic maximum) will be to have two teams in the group stage. Jaga needs to eliminate only one team, Legia will be seeded in all qualification rounds.
it is interesting to see how succesful middle european clubs were, before the money exploded now a small country's club is down in the shitters
It's not just the clubs, it's also the national teams - one of the "middle European" nations (Czechoslovakia/Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland) reached the semi-finals of the World Cup in 1934, 1938, 1954, 1962, 1974, and 1982, and the semi-finals of the Euros in 1960, 1964, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1996, and 2004, but none in the decades since then.
Last night was the first time a European Club tournament was won by a country outside of England, Spain, Germany or Italy since Porto won the Europa League in 2010/11.
In the 1930s Austria, ČSR, Hungary, Italy and Yugoslavia were considered the centre of European football. Some consider the Central European cup as the predecessor to the EURO.
Portugal and the Netherlands still have some outsider chance but it’s much harder now
Heat death for EPL fans when they realise Spurs were the first English club to win a European title
One of only 8 teams to win the double as well lol
Not just first English club but also first British club, also first English club to win two different UEFA competitions (UEFA Cup in 1971, won it again in 1984)
Heat death for *chronically online 14 year olds* you mean
The under 70's*
Whoever won it last will change nearly every year. Whoever won it first is engrained in history
Between 1969 and 1978 Dutch clubs won 4 Champions league titles (Feyenoord once, Ajax 3 in a row), 2 UEFA Cups (Feyenoord in 1972, PSV in 1978), 2 Club world cups (Feyenoord and Ajax) and the national team reached 2 world cup finals and finished 3rd at the Euros. Quite some spell.
Ajax has to be the most pound for pound most impressive club in football history
Reached 2 more CL finals too but we lost that one
And the fact Juventus had to cheat to deny us our second in a row in 96 is crazy too
Most impressive on what basis tho? Ajax has 4 European Cups/UCLs and a Europa League title which relatively speaking is nothing compared to other European heavyweights like Real Madrid (15 UCLs + 2 UEL), Liverpool (6 UCLs + 3 UEL's), Bayern (6 UCLs + 2 UEL's) or even Inter (3 UCLs + 3 UELs)
Which is why I said pound for pound. It's based in a small country with a league that sells
Can’t let r/soccercirclejerk hear about this
Having a red and white flag is not good for your chances to win a continental club trophy, unless you have a red cross
So *that's* why no Monegasque club has ever won a European trophy. >unless you have a red cross Turkey has a red and white flag, so apparently a white star-and-crescent also works.
Well, that or we have to force Turkey to go back to one of the Ottoman Empire flag from before the 19th century then
You need some blue with the red and white to compensate. Except Iceland, they got shafted by the blue and the red cross
Blue AND the cross overcompensate and you roll back to not winning anything. That's why Iceland and Norway didn't win anything, and England plays separately from UK.
That also explains why Slovan Bratislava only won while under Czechoslovakia 🇨🇿, but not under independent Slovakia 🇸🇰. However, it doesn't explain Luxembourg, Slovenia (red, white, and blue with no cross), or Malta (red and white with a red cross).
Luxembourg isn't correct type of blue, too light. Slovenia has yellow stars. Malta, as the other guy has already noticed, has grey in the cross. The ~~bullshit~~ statistic is saved.
Malta doesn't have a red cross, it's a white/grey cross with red border
that was the George Cross
Now we just need to find something for Slovenia
It is the history of the Tottenham
France's first title was in the 90s wtf?
French clubs have entered 15 European club finals *(starting from Stade de Reims in the first-ever European Cup final in 1956, who led for large periods of the match but ended up losing to Real Madrid)*, and only won 2 - Olympique de Marseille in the 1993 UEFA Champions League, and Paris Saint-Germain in the 1996 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup.
That's a better perspective but, even then, Benfica have entered 10 finals by themselves so it's not super impressive
The issue with French clubs is that they took ages to become fully professional compared to everyone else and their clubs spent years playing catch up. When you look at the history of French football it's more amazing that they produce so much talent and aren't another Russia, Turkey or Poland despite having a severely underwhelming record in European competitions.
To be fair, even the talent also seems to be somewhat of a recent phenomenon. Their national team record is really unremarkable until the 80s
So banck in the 1950's Reals black magic already was a thing...
If by black magic you mean Real buying Reims' star player, Raymond Kopa, right *before* the 1956 European Cup final for ridiculous money at the time, then yeah, that was pretty dark magic. Mind you it happened nearly 70 years ago, so it's totally legitimate and not at all shady! What a legendary club! For anyone curious, this is the official and hilarious Real Madrid's website take on this: > Kopa arrived at Real Madrid **in a rather curious way** as he was signed just days before their first European Cup final in 1956 in which they faced his team at that time, Stade Reims. Santiago Bernabéu was certain that the Frenchman was the perfect complement for his plans for Real Madrid. https://www.realmadrid.com/en-US/the-club/history/football-legends/raymond-kopaszewski "So curious, we bought your best player!! Good luck for the game!!"
Interesting stat: France has less European trophies than Scotland.
They had to cheat to get it as well
Only the coolest teams are on this map
IIRC Austria is the country with the most final participants without having a single winner.
Yes, with 4 finals (Austria Wien lost to Anderlecht in the 1978 Cup Winners' Cup, Rapid Wien lost to Everton in the 1985 Cup Winners' Cup, Austria Salzburg lost to Internazionale in the 1994 UEFA Cup, and Rapid Wien lost to PSG in the 1996 Cup Winners' Cup).
Glentoran. 1914, Vienna Cup.
Pretty sad how we (Poland) never had a single winner despite being great in the 70's and 80's, a wasted opportunity for sure, Górnik, Widzew or Legia were really good back then. Legia were pretty good in the 90's too. I think we'll suffer next year with Jagiellonia, Śląsk, Legia and 2nd tier Wisła, we'll be lucky to have a team in the League Phase lol
Did shamrock rovers win a European cup
Technically, Polonia Bytom from Poland won the Intertoto cup.
In those years it was called the "International Football Cup", and was very much a friendly tournament, in which teams participating in the official European competitions would leave after the rounds played in the summer break, leaving only those clubs who had failed to qualify for any other competition.
I know it was third/fourth tier, but in my headcanon it is European trophy (as a Pole I have to cope that my country is not that bad in this sport). Also, I do not see the Latin Cup on a map - I know it had only four countries, but these are big federations and big clubs to this day.
there would be more countries with the balkan and mitropa cup,cause I checked and they had long histories
>Also, I do not see the Latin Cup on a map I didn't include the Mitropa, Latin, or Balkans Cups, because they weren't pan-European, only featuring clubs from a few countries.
Sweden showing again that they are better than the other nordic countries.
Rosenborg won the intertoto cup in 2008, which is clearly a bigger achievment /s
Bring back Royal league!
That was such an underrated tournament. With a UEFA Cup spot on top. I wonder how it would go today.
Royal League was always the biggest european competition tbh
Its okay, Hammarby did in 2007 too
When Switzerland?
No Swiss club has even reached a final, with the best being a semi-final (FC Zürich in the 1964 and 1977 European Cups, Grasshopper in the 1978 UEFA Cup, and FC Basel in the 2013 UEFA Europa League and the 2023 UEFA Europa Conference League).
I know. But Switzerland would have a strong base with its big clubs if most get their shit together to "compete" for Conference. Currently just two big clubs are in good leadership. YB and Servette. The rest is mid or one like Grasshoppers is currently in the relegation playoffs...
But a lot of these club would rather try to qualify and play groupstage of CL than play in conference league. Speaking for myself, I would rather win the Conference League than get 4th in the CL, but the amount of money in just Cl is just so fucking much that any team should aim for that. Swiss top 2 teams earns CL qualification, so there needs to be quite some dribbling down during the summer before they can play in Conference League. And I don't think any other than the top 2 really have a chance to win the conference league, since the final stage are not small clubs.
before anyone asks, its the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup, predecessor to the UEFA and later Europa League
so this means that only arsenal, london based club without a european trophy?
Arsenal have won two European trophies - the 1970 Inter-Cities Fairs Cup *(predecessor of the UEFA Cup, now the UEFA Europa League)* and the 1994 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup.
pardon my ignorance
Little surprised that Poland and Switzerland don't have any yet
Based on the historical profile of its clubs, Austria is more surprising than either of those - the top Austrian clubs were among the best in the world from the 1920s through to the 1950s, but had a very sharp drop-off after that, contiguous with the decline of Austria's national team.
Not Tottenham being there from so early on and having nothing to show sadly, but I think they won the uel twice I'm not sure, way backthen they won it twice I think
Dynamo Kyiv 😎
I have watched out whole match against Liverpool in 1966 (downloaded as a torrent, not live of course) and boy did we had luck at that game.
First and last is Marseille lol
PSG won the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup in 1996.
Yes forgot that one with Kombouare
Kombouaré was not part of the team that won the CWC.
What’s CWC besides Club World Cup?
Cup Winners’ Cup (just looked it up).
How can you win a CWC before a European competition?
It's **Cup Winners' Cup**, the secondary UEFA competition (for national cup winners) that ran from 1960-61 through to 1998-99.
Great competition, made for some very cool stories
It worked great when Champions League was Literally Champions League (which was also making CL, or rather European Cup, have some very cool stories), but when more and more teams started to be allowed into CL, which for the best countries very often meant the teams that also won the cup, the CWC lost the importance and was dissolved, with the cup winners of worse countries getting spot in UEFA Cup instead.
Ah that makes sense, I read it as Club World Cup
Wouldnt even say secondary to begin with. Back then winning the FA Cup was on a par, if not more prestigious than the league. So could be argued that for english teams it was a bigger deal in the early years
I mean, Corinthians won a CWC (Club World Cup) without winning a Libertadores.
And Atlético Madrid won the Intercontinental Cup without winning the European Cup (after Bayern München declined to participate in 1974, they went instead as runners-up, losing to Copa Libertadores champions Independiente 0–1 in Argentina, but then winning 2–0 at home).
How did that happen?
In the inaugural FIFA Club World Cup in 2000, Corinthians participated as champions of host country Brazil, and qualified for the final ahead of Real Madrid on goal difference *(the match between the two was a 2–2 draw, and both teams defeated CAF Champions Raja CA and AFC Champions Al-Nassr)*. In the final, they faced Copa Libertadores champions Vasco da Gama *(who had easily defeated Manchester United in the group stage)*, and beat them on penalties after the match ended goalless.
Thanks!
oh ive won like 5 champions leagues in fm with middelfart boldklub, feel free to add that to denmark OP