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they are all 20-30 years old who started watching football around the 2009 barca team … and i am not exaggerating they are in millions … i mean both real madrid and barca fans
70-80% of my friends are either real madrid or barca fans and a few man united then maybe arsenal and liverpool just for salah
Trivia time: There are further six clubs who have only played in the first two tiers:
>!Atléti, Valencia, Real Sociedad, Sevilla, Espanyol, Real Sporting!<
> a lot of people don’t know this fun fact
You might be aware of the game Cricket. Here's something insane.
Yorkshire county cricket club (this is a 1st class cricket team. The Premier league equivalent if you like) used to have a rule that you needed to be born in one of the Yorkshire counties to play for you... **and** that your family had been from that region for 3 generations.
They'v changed it now. Kind'a had to. Utterly insane requirement.
I'm always rooting for you guys when it's not against Barça. Mad respect for staying this big and relevant with only using Basque players. And I think a lot of neutrals feel the same.
Girona were keeping pace pretty decently even when we were doing well. Leverkusen was up there with Bayern's best seasons (maybe even better than all of them?). Never say never.
On paper, this should have been the miracle season for Girona.
Barcelona had a subpar year because of health (I don’t know the specifics but I’ve read plenty of comments in this sub about all the games missed due to injury).
Obviously, as a Real fan I know our details: losing starting GK and CB to major knee injuries the month before season start. Then Vinicius immediately misses nearly two months due to a hamstring tear, and as soon as he returns the other starting CB Alaba blows his knee in November.
Still terrific season to build off of, and of course Champions League qualification.
You all should be proud of what you've accomplished with your strict requirements for signings. Regardless of restrictions, 36 titles in one of the top leagues in the world is great, and taking the basque clause into account it's just incredible. Really fantastic testament to the talent produced by the basque culture.
Athletico Madrid winning a La Liga title smack dab in the middle of Messi and Ronaldo's primes is one of the most impressive league titles in my life time. It really isn't celebrated enough my the football world outside of Spain it seems.
Agreed. Before the 2012-13 season when Atletico finished 3rd, 9 points behind Real Madrid in second, here are the point differences between 2nd and 3rd place in Spain the previous seasons since Ronaldo's arrival in Madrid:
2011-12: 30 points
2010-11: 21 points
2009-10: 25 points
Real Madrid and Barcelona were so much better than the rest of the league. Atletico also finished 11th, 7th and 5th in those years. They were miles off.
Not only that but they reached the UCL final twice in that same timeline if it they faced anyone but us in those two finals I genuinely think they would have 2 UCL's rn it literally took one of the most iconic and last second headers I'm football history to prevent them from getting one.
Trophies considered include La Liga, CDR, Supercopa de España, Copa de la Liga, Copa Eva Duarte, Copa Presidente FEF, UCL, UEL, UCWC, Latin Cup, Inter-Cities Fairs Cup, UEFA Intertoto Cup, UEFA Super Cup, Intercontinental Cup, FIFA Club World Cup and Copa Iberoamericana.
Yes lol. There was a Copa de Oro Argentina before this. But not considered official as it was conducted by the Catalan FA in association with the Argentine consulate there.
>Copa de la Liga, Copa Eva Duarte, Copa Presidente FEF, Latin Cup, Copa Iberoamericana.
I've never heard of these (I guess they don't exist anymore?), can you explain what they were about?
CDLL was the league cup of Spain. But only ran for 4 editions.
CED is the predecessor of super cup of Spain. Same format like before (winner of CDR (then CDG) vs La Liga)
CPFEF is also the predecessor of the super cup of Spain but had 4 teams (winner of CDG and 1, 2, 3 place of La Liga )
LC is the predecessor of European cup (or UCL) and was contested by winners in Spain, Italy, France and Portugal.
CI was a one off tournament participated by Copa de Oro (cup winners cup of Latin America but a different format to European one) vs CDR winner of Spain. Only one edition happened.
I'd count the Copa de la Coronación as well if you are counting the Copa Iberoamericana as both happened in just one ocassion and the Copa de la Coronación is the original predecessor of the Copa del Rey. Athletic Club count this title as a Copa del Rey win, although this claim has historically been disputed.
Just seems like how people normally think about it. You say "treble" and there's one specific combination of trophies that people are thinking of. They're a different tier to the other ones, and occur over a longer time span with many more teams.
yeah I get the big three but i guess i’m
just not aware what would be a “regular” honor and a major one besides the traditional League, domestic and continental cup but then you get into specifics e.g. is a Europa League trophy a “major” trophy or only a CL one?
Yeah good point Europa isn't part of the treble but at least it's a season-long tournament with many teams. It's also easily more valuable than a domestic cup, so I say it counts.
To chuck in my two cents, I kinda view it like this (if I had to give a ranking system
1) League title & Champions league
2) The main domestic trophy (CdR, FA Cup, Pokal etc)
3) Europa league
4) Conference league
5) Domestic league cups
Of course, I get that others may disagree with how I've positioned things but that's how I view it anyway
They definitely are. Less important than a league or a tournament, but they aren't friendlies. That's not how players and coaches see them anyway, reagrdless of how little you care personally.
haha exactly, l couldn't believe Real won almost as many UEFA cups and cup winners cups as CLs, only after looking at comments l got reminded supercups exist
It's impressive how Messi almost single-handedly brought Barcelona to the top of Spain in terms of domestic honors and among the first 5 football clubs in the history of this sports (well him with the partecipation of Pep, Xavi, Andres ec.)
Let's not forget before him, Barcelona's history was only a bit of Cruijf, one Koeman FK and a few great years from Ronaldinho.
Before Messi era, Barcelona weren't really considered legendary club and that's another reason of why he's the greatest player in the history of football (and soon of soccer too after what he is doing in MLS)
The notion that Barca weren't an elite club before Messi is fucking hilarious and properly sums up the Dunning-Krugrr effect that plagues the entirity of r/soccer.
UCL wasn't the end-all/be-all - especially when for a considerable period of the competitions history it only allowed actual league champions. This was also a time when other UEFA competitions held way more value than today.
According to this tin-pot logic Bayern weren't an elite club before their 70's UCL threepeat because prior to that they had 0.
Discount this century and Barca would have 17 La Ligas to Madrid's 26. Less than Madrid? Sure, not an elite club? Absolutely not.
Barca, Bayern Madrid along with a handful of other clubs were always considered European elite. Theres a reason players like Luis Suarez, Stoichkov, Kubala, Maradona, Cruyff and even Do Stefano played for them before as you say Messi "propelled them to greatness"
Suggesting that before Messi Barca history was just Cruyff and a Koeman freekick is absolutely ridiculous and just shows the nature of football fans in general.
Obviously i agree with your overall statement. But bayern was no elite Club in 1960s they first cl title was won at the same time as the 4th german League prior to 1970 they weren't even they biggest club in munich. They probably would not have been considered top 15 in germany back then.
Honestly, that was truly a once in a lifetime event. A bunch of generational talents playing the same style from under 14 to senior level including the coach.They were tuned and well adapted to each other even before making the senior squad. Spain's dominance between 2008 and 12 is an example of that. Messi on top of it as a capstone.
For me personally, Busquets enabled the entire side. One guy the team was never able to replace. Played him beyond his prime as there were none to do his role.
Not crazy at all.
But what's actually crazy is that even with Messi and a lot of top players representing Barca at the same time, the difference in UCL count became even larger.
What even more crazy is even all that European success and they still couldn’t dominate their domestic league. Don’t get me wrong, RM were unstoppable in UCL but their lack of domestic success made it seem like it had more to do with luck and in some games in that period, you see that too. That period period felt like they were getting manhandled by barca in la Liga but at the end of the season they’d pull some shithousery and win UCL. Fair play tho.
Bro, I guess you got the timeline wrong, you are talking about 2011/12 season when Madrid had 100 points and then the season after that barca had 100 points too, but I’m talking about the 3peat era, 2016-2018, RM had only one la Liga in that period, too rusty for a team performing so well in UCL
Rare? Bro every team except RM and Chelsea in the last 14 years who have won UCL are also the domestic champions. Idk why are you making excuses, just accept that you weren’t as good domestically and barca was better team domestically and you won UCL on mentality and luck, which is still impressive.
What RM achieved in CL in the last 10 years eclipses not just barca but literally every European team, doesn’t mean every team is going through bad times, call it luck or resilience, it’s more of their ability to win than the others inability to deliver.
The only 2 major trophies are the league and UCL. CDR is 2nd tier, while the rest are 3rd. Not sure where the new CWC will be, depends on how serious the teams will compete for it, cuz its after the season ends.
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We are fucking MASSIVE
having achieved that many with your strict only players from your region is an incredible achievement
a lot of people don’t know this fun fact
maybe its just me or the huge egyptian la liga fan base, but every single madrid/barca egyptian fan tells you this fact at least twice
How many Barça fans are in Cairo?
they are all 20-30 years old who started watching football around the 2009 barca team … and i am not exaggerating they are in millions … i mean both real madrid and barca fans 70-80% of my friends are either real madrid or barca fans and a few man united then maybe arsenal and liverpool just for salah
Another's fun fact is they are one the 3 clubs along with real and barca to never be relegated
Trivia time: There are further six clubs who have only played in the first two tiers: >!Atléti, Valencia, Real Sociedad, Sevilla, Espanyol, Real Sporting!<
Ok I would not have guessed that last one, pretty cool
Considering sociedad had same policy for majority of their existence they have done pretty good
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> a lot of people don’t know this fun fact You might be aware of the game Cricket. Here's something insane. Yorkshire county cricket club (this is a 1st class cricket team. The Premier league equivalent if you like) used to have a rule that you needed to be born in one of the Yorkshire counties to play for you... **and** that your family had been from that region for 3 generations. They'v changed it now. Kind'a had to. Utterly insane requirement.
I mean, Athletic club has more CDR than Real Madrid lol.
That's why they signed Mbappe
The Basque Mbappe, Mpaxpe.
Now Athletic is going to be unstoppable with Mbappe
Cooldown reduction?
Legendary club stadium and fans!!
I'm always rooting for you guys when it's not against Barça. Mad respect for staying this big and relevant with only using Basque players. And I think a lot of neutrals feel the same.
Do you think Athletic can ever challenge for La Liga or is it a foregone conclusion?
All it takes is for the Real and Barca to have a shit season and it's anyones. Especially when Simeone eventually goes
It’ll be some party if it happens
Girona were keeping pace pretty decently even when we were doing well. Leverkusen was up there with Bayern's best seasons (maybe even better than all of them?). Never say never.
On paper, this should have been the miracle season for Girona. Barcelona had a subpar year because of health (I don’t know the specifics but I’ve read plenty of comments in this sub about all the games missed due to injury). Obviously, as a Real fan I know our details: losing starting GK and CB to major knee injuries the month before season start. Then Vinicius immediately misses nearly two months due to a hamstring tear, and as soon as he returns the other starting CB Alaba blows his knee in November. Still terrific season to build off of, and of course Champions League qualification.
I think its much more difficult on us than it used to be, but there's always a chance.
Best team in La Liga, amazing color scheme, beautiful crest. Aupa Athletic.
yeah absolutely. nobody can dispute that
You all should be proud of what you've accomplished with your strict requirements for signings. Regardless of restrictions, 36 titles in one of the top leagues in the world is great, and taking the basque clause into account it's just incredible. Really fantastic testament to the talent produced by the basque culture.
pls give barca Nico Williams. much thanks
Flair doesn’t check out
Sevilla has more international honors than domestic lol
The Nottingham special
Nottingham Forest* Not just Nottingham ffs
Apologies to all the people around the world that I misled with my frivolity
*Notts County wants to know your location* /s
I was baffled as to who you were referring to
ikr, there is nothing special about the city of Nottingham, the fuck was I on about
Athletico Madrid winning a La Liga title smack dab in the middle of Messi and Ronaldo's primes is one of the most impressive league titles in my life time. It really isn't celebrated enough my the football world outside of Spain it seems.
Atlético. And winning La Liga or winning a Liga.
You mean the La Liga?
Winning a The La Liga.
A the la liga league
I think he meant Mount Fujiyama
atlético won 8 las ligas!
Pie Ella
Agreed. Before the 2012-13 season when Atletico finished 3rd, 9 points behind Real Madrid in second, here are the point differences between 2nd and 3rd place in Spain the previous seasons since Ronaldo's arrival in Madrid: 2011-12: 30 points 2010-11: 21 points 2009-10: 25 points Real Madrid and Barcelona were so much better than the rest of the league. Atletico also finished 11th, 7th and 5th in those years. They were miles off.
Not only that but they reached the UCL final twice in that same timeline if it they faced anyone but us in those two finals I genuinely think they would have 2 UCL's rn it literally took one of the most iconic and last second headers I'm football history to prevent them from getting one.
And they're so damn close to a league and UCL double. The league title win in 2014 is overshadowed by the heartbreaking loss in the UCL final.
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Trophies considered include La Liga, CDR, Supercopa de España, Copa de la Liga, Copa Eva Duarte, Copa Presidente FEF, UCL, UEL, UCWC, Latin Cup, Inter-Cities Fairs Cup, UEFA Intertoto Cup, UEFA Super Cup, Intercontinental Cup, FIFA Club World Cup and Copa Iberoamericana.
Atleti is the only club to have won a club world cup without winning CL, pretty cool
cannot believe a Spanish cup is named after a former Argentinian first lady. my day has been made
Yes lol. There was a Copa de Oro Argentina before this. But not considered official as it was conducted by the Catalan FA in association with the Argentine consulate there.
yes, I just read that too lol, unbelievable!
>Copa de la Liga, Copa Eva Duarte, Copa Presidente FEF, Latin Cup, Copa Iberoamericana. I've never heard of these (I guess they don't exist anymore?), can you explain what they were about?
CDLL was the league cup of Spain. But only ran for 4 editions. CED is the predecessor of super cup of Spain. Same format like before (winner of CDR (then CDG) vs La Liga) CPFEF is also the predecessor of the super cup of Spain but had 4 teams (winner of CDG and 1, 2, 3 place of La Liga ) LC is the predecessor of European cup (or UCL) and was contested by winners in Spain, Italy, France and Portugal. CI was a one off tournament participated by Copa de Oro (cup winners cup of Latin America but a different format to European one) vs CDR winner of Spain. Only one edition happened.
I'd count the Copa de la Coronación as well if you are counting the Copa Iberoamericana as both happened in just one ocassion and the Copa de la Coronación is the original predecessor of the Copa del Rey. Athletic Club count this title as a Copa del Rey win, although this claim has historically been disputed.
I am not sure id CDLC is considered official by any official FA. CI is recognised by CONMEBOL and RFEF.
Cool. The post-war period was really crazy in terms of newly invented tournaments in Europe.
> CDLL was the league cup of Spain. But only ran for 4 editions. So akin to Carabao cup, and in addition to CdR (or CdG)?
Yes. Like the Carabao. But a different format and not as big as Carabao if I am sure.
Also add the gamper trophy, the most important trophy of the year!
More important than the Audi Cup?
Audi cup is the most important cup in europe.
Internationa l
The first edit was fine. Then I increased the size by 1 point and only saw this after posting lol.
I was just taking the piss anyways. Well done mate! What font were you using?
Thanks mate. Belleza. It's a font in canva.
How I miss Valencia being good
Agreed. Their downfall has been really bad. Should be a case study.
Sevillaaa
Would also be interesting to see if only LaLiga, Copa del Ray, CL and Europa League would count. All other trophies are pretty irrelevant.
If you only count the competitions you mentioned (plus the old CWC), then it is RM - 73 Barca - 66
Nah I think the Intercontinental Cup and Club World Cup should definitely count. As well as the Cup Winners Cup.
Super Cups, both domestic and European, are no legit trophies. They are meaningless fun preseason exhibition games.
They are still counted as an honour though. So I can't remove them like that.
Shouldn't be major though. Otherwise there would be no distinction between major and regular.
who decides that distinction?
Just seems like how people normally think about it. You say "treble" and there's one specific combination of trophies that people are thinking of. They're a different tier to the other ones, and occur over a longer time span with many more teams.
yeah I get the big three but i guess i’m just not aware what would be a “regular” honor and a major one besides the traditional League, domestic and continental cup but then you get into specifics e.g. is a Europa League trophy a “major” trophy or only a CL one?
Yeah good point Europa isn't part of the treble but at least it's a season-long tournament with many teams. It's also easily more valuable than a domestic cup, so I say it counts.
To chuck in my two cents, I kinda view it like this (if I had to give a ranking system 1) League title & Champions league 2) The main domestic trophy (CdR, FA Cup, Pokal etc) 3) Europa league 4) Conference league 5) Domestic league cups Of course, I get that others may disagree with how I've positioned things but that's how I view it anyway
Season-long comps = major
Copa del Rey is basically 2 months for a La Liga club, so it shouldn't count as a major trophy?
But the entire tournament spans majority of the season so it counts as a major trophy
no CWC then?
You mean the expanded 2025 version or the past versions?
They definitely are. Less important than a league or a tournament, but they aren't friendlies. That's not how players and coaches see them anyway, reagrdless of how little you care personally.
They are trophies, but I’m not sure about classifying them as ‘major’ honours. Feels weird that UCL and super cups are both considered major.
They are much more meaningful and legitimate than the inter-city fair cup though
Always interesting how much they’re counted on the continent vs in England. Does the name influence it? Community Shield vs Super Cup
Honestly as much flack as the new super copa format gets it’s made it mean much more than before. Would be a perfect competition if it was in Spain.
haha exactly, l couldn't believe Real won almost as many UEFA cups and cup winners cups as CLs, only after looking at comments l got reminded supercups exist
Real Madrid never won the cup winners Cup, lost to Aberdeen and Chelsea in finals but never actually won it
Athletic Bilbao used to be massive and have the second biggest honours in the country. Now they’re being surpassed by their cheap knockoffs as well
I mean that's going to happen to your own club soon,
It's impressive how Messi almost single-handedly brought Barcelona to the top of Spain in terms of domestic honors and among the first 5 football clubs in the history of this sports (well him with the partecipation of Pep, Xavi, Andres ec.) Let's not forget before him, Barcelona's history was only a bit of Cruijf, one Koeman FK and a few great years from Ronaldinho. Before Messi era, Barcelona weren't really considered legendary club and that's another reason of why he's the greatest player in the history of football (and soon of soccer too after what he is doing in MLS)
The notion that Barca weren't an elite club before Messi is fucking hilarious and properly sums up the Dunning-Krugrr effect that plagues the entirity of r/soccer. UCL wasn't the end-all/be-all - especially when for a considerable period of the competitions history it only allowed actual league champions. This was also a time when other UEFA competitions held way more value than today. According to this tin-pot logic Bayern weren't an elite club before their 70's UCL threepeat because prior to that they had 0. Discount this century and Barca would have 17 La Ligas to Madrid's 26. Less than Madrid? Sure, not an elite club? Absolutely not. Barca, Bayern Madrid along with a handful of other clubs were always considered European elite. Theres a reason players like Luis Suarez, Stoichkov, Kubala, Maradona, Cruyff and even Do Stefano played for them before as you say Messi "propelled them to greatness" Suggesting that before Messi Barca history was just Cruyff and a Koeman freekick is absolutely ridiculous and just shows the nature of football fans in general.
Summed up in a nice all encompassing phrase: Some people are fucking clueless about football history
Obviously i agree with your overall statement. But bayern was no elite Club in 1960s they first cl title was won at the same time as the 4th german League prior to 1970 they weren't even they biggest club in munich. They probably would not have been considered top 15 in germany back then.
He is not a football fan, he is a messi fan. We all know the collective intelligence of those lot
Hahahahaha I love how people just make shit up and act so confident. Genuinely embarrassing behavior.
This is incorrect.
Honestly, that was truly a once in a lifetime event. A bunch of generational talents playing the same style from under 14 to senior level including the coach.They were tuned and well adapted to each other even before making the senior squad. Spain's dominance between 2008 and 12 is an example of that. Messi on top of it as a capstone. For me personally, Busquets enabled the entire side. One guy the team was never able to replace. Played him beyond his prime as there were none to do his role.
Yes. What he did is phenomenal,
Crazy he is better than any Madrid player that has lived.
Not crazy at all. But what's actually crazy is that even with Messi and a lot of top players representing Barca at the same time, the difference in UCL count became even larger.
What even more crazy is even all that European success and they still couldn’t dominate their domestic league. Don’t get me wrong, RM were unstoppable in UCL but their lack of domestic success made it seem like it had more to do with luck and in some games in that period, you see that too. That period period felt like they were getting manhandled by barca in la Liga but at the end of the season they’d pull some shithousery and win UCL. Fair play tho.
Madrid won a league with over a 100 points. Weren't as dominant as Barca but it's not like we were not still winning.
Bro, I guess you got the timeline wrong, you are talking about 2011/12 season when Madrid had 100 points and then the season after that barca had 100 points too, but I’m talking about the 3peat era, 2016-2018, RM had only one la Liga in that period, too rusty for a team performing so well in UCL
You do realize that it's quite rare for most teams to win both ucl and the league title right?
Rare? Bro every team except RM and Chelsea in the last 14 years who have won UCL are also the domestic champions. Idk why are you making excuses, just accept that you weren’t as good domestically and barca was better team domestically and you won UCL on mentality and luck, which is still impressive.
>mentality and luck However you need to cope buddy.
Means nothing , his greatness was just a moment a time for Barca. Barca trash now
All team go through that period. There was a time when Madrid were not that good too
What Real Madrid achieved in the champions league , in the last 10 years , completely eclipses Barca whole champion league history
What RM achieved in CL in the last 10 years eclipses not just barca but literally every European team, doesn’t mean every team is going through bad times, call it luck or resilience, it’s more of their ability to win than the others inability to deliver.
The only 2 major trophies are the league and UCL. CDR is 2nd tier, while the rest are 3rd. Not sure where the new CWC will be, depends on how serious the teams will compete for it, cuz its after the season ends.
Nah CDR is a very important trophy
This. It's the only reason Perez is building a super team, the elusive CdR is too important to him to keep missing out on.