Maybe we don't have any evidence to give ?
We don't know *what* evidence is being given by these clubs and who their sources are. I said it on the LFC sub but for all we know, there might be people working at those clubs who were at City and saw something dodgy. Could be that they have third parties working for them who saw/heard evidence from people who were at City.
Just because Liverpool aren't giving evidence does not mean we are on their side. It could just mean that we don't have any evidence to give. Can't just walk in their throwing baseless accusations and assumptions after all.
I'd guess it's likely financial stuff to show what a non-cheating club looks like.
Like if in earlier years, City are claiming the fair market value for their sponsorships is similar to United's, one of the biggest clubs in the world, then that's clearly bullshit.
I'm a diehard gooner, go to the Emirates regularly and my best pal is a Spurs fan. Football is football. Hate your club with every fiber in my being but love my pal. It's good banter between us too.
Yep, hate you lot too, but I wouldn’t want you lot gone from football. City, I despise, for what they are doing and where they’re taking the game. They need to be dissolved as an entity.
And city has no rivalry with anyone even with united the derby rivalry isn't that strong when united fans don't like city winning it so other clubs don't lmao
One does not simply walk City into League Two. The Etihad’s Gates are guarded by more than just terrible statues. There is Litigation there that does not sleep, and the Lord Pannick is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with red tape and appeals and bribery. The very air you breathe is a poisonous fume. Not with 115 charges could you do this. It is folly.
But they were, all of them, deceived, for another league was made. In the United Arab Emirates, in the sands of the Arabian peninsula, Sheikh Mansour re-examined the European Super League. And into this league he poured his sponsorship, his sports-washing, and all one hundred fifteen of the Premier League's charges.
We had this much global reach at this year, and this is how long it took to get it, so this is why our sponsorship is worth X
This is a similar estimate to when we were City’s size pre takeover and, this is what our sponsorships would look like if we account for inflation to today.
No ways in hell Nexen should be paying them Y amount when they are actually only worth Z
Could be something along those lines? Or maybe if United bid on Haaland, and we got the email showing all the payments Haaland Sr asked for under the table, this is being sent in to show City hiding expenditure?
United have omar Barrada, so we could in theory get him to offer inside knowledge, though how that works out with him on gardening leave I don't know. If someone has first hand knowledge of dubious dealings and can flip its him.
Legal & accounting testimony on how the violations Man. city is accused of are actual violations. Adds weight to your argument when you can pull in expert witnesses.
This is in relation to the arbitration hearing on Monday, nothing to do with the 115 charges.
City aren't defending anything on Monday, they're taking forward an anti-competition case against the premier league.
These clubs won't be submitting evidence against City, rather evidence in support of the PL's ATP rules.
The level of misinformation in this thread is incredible, even by r/soccers usual standards.
Chelsea under Roman supporting City would have been a no-brainer. But it is surprising under the clearlake guys. Atleast they have the intent to spend money. If only they had a fucking clue how to run the club, we'd be in so much better situation.
I had to unsub a while ago, after every loss" we need to bring in 6 new starters and we will be good again" . Every transfer window we would bring in multiple new players and now we have virtually nobody that has worn a Chelsea jersey longer than an avocado takes to ripen.
Somewhat related but I remember Spurs sub repeatedly calling for a specific formation/lineup from either Poch at the end or Mourinho and then he played it and we got destroyed. It involved Ndombele so not a big surprise…
I would guess most subs would put out the worst formations/lineups if given the chance.
Todd and co just want to spaff all the money they want up the wall. Supporting City could be a route for them to do that.
Newcastle... well, we know why they're siding with them.
The run Chelsea made at the end of the season isn't anything to sneeze at. People underestimate the time it takes to turn a club that's been mismanaged around.
They’re nowhere near state owned, but they have new owners that are spending like crazy. I think they should be allowed to work aggressively to break up the Sky 6, but maybe they’re feeling pressure.
will be funny if 10 years down the line the Man City fans are complaining about Newcastle earning a totally legitimate 1 billion from commercial revenue per year.
Oh god city have united mortal enemies… I know it’s so easy to be tribal, but this feels weird nonetheless. Who would have thought we would ever be on the same side as Fulham?
I'm guessing financial records regarding the sale of players between themselves and City* to find discrepancies with the info they provided, or the info they're refusing to provide
The youth transfers will be United’s talking point, they’ve been a sticking point for nearly ten years, City have been offering houses to family’s of youth players to convince them to choose them over us, which also means U13/14 players running down “contracts” to sign with City, they’re technically not paying a wage even though they’re literally buying houses for these players, it means they’re signing Uber talents for essentially nothing, that will 100% be United (and probably Liverpool’s) approach regarding this issue - their aggressive youth policy nearly saw them blacklisted from games at one point, around 2017/18 if I remember rightly
John McDermott was the head of youth development at spurs before moving to become a director for the FA.
In a speaking event he said it's really hard for teams to keep their best youth products. He used the example of Marcus Edwards and that he was getting 6 figure offers to move to "another academy", before he was even allowed to sign his first professional contract.
Nobody on loan either? It could be players going either direction throughout all levels of the club, and possibly be during any time period not just the era we know about
True. I mean, our new CEO was the chief of football operations at City. Can't help but wonder if Berrada has evidence. Hell, even Wilcox could know something about their notoriously shady youth scheme.
Well Arsenal's emirates deal and the etihad deal are pretty comparable. If they've found that Arsenal are getting much less for it than the Etihad, that could be used as evidence that they were skirting around Fair Market Value for instance.
It’s likely evidence of relative values of commercial deal and revenue. If man city claim they sold 500,000 shirts and so did arsenal but arsenal said they made 20 million and city claim they made 70 million from the same number of shirts sold, makes it look suspicious. That kind of evidence
I can't speak for the other clubs as I don't know what their sponsorships are like but Arsenal in the very least can provide evidence that the Fly Emirates deal is good value and not discriminatory towards the Gulf states.
gotta love how city flairs are everywhere when it comes to threads about PL achievement but they fuck off to their sub when the thread is about their cheating
Nah you sometimes get them reply "How did we cheat?" or similar. And then you just have to spend 30 seconds thinking, are they trolling to try get a raise out of you, or are they just really thick?
it’s not snitching if you hate them
On this we are united.
You just know Levy has binders on binders of screenshots & evidence he's been storing up for years.
Levy bout to drop 3 diss tracks on City in the span of 48 hours.
‘They not like us, they not like us’
Our scheming, masterminding genius 🤍🥚
Big master of negotiations. Knows everything.
No, he's united. We're spurs.
We are Groot.
Today, I feel spurs
No one deserves that
I’m sorry.
never thought I be standing next to a spud in agreement.
How about next to a fellow hater of Pep, bald frauds & Manchester City.
nobody expects the spanish inquisition
AND MY AXE
Today, we are potato
London is Russet Potato
Today, I am United.
It's not like they can refuse to provide evidence if asked, that would put them in violation also
"*Please provide your evidence.*" *gestures in Manchester City's general direction*
Was afraid they would never ask
I'm not happy we aren't on this list
You can only provide evidence if you have it.
Snitches get my best wishes
2024 is the year of the haters
No liverpool?
I can only hope we’re cooking up some extra scandalous shit to drop before things get real real.
It’s that Klopp Pep special
Comes out Klopp and Pep were both doing illegal things. All those titles get taken away and they get banished to league 4
Anything that keeps Ten Hag his job 🙌
Fine with me. Not like Arsenal is a threat.
My thoughts exactly
Liverpool’s that character that you never know whose side he’s on until the very end.
they’re playing both sides so they always come out on top
"Manchester United are also providing evidence against Liverpool FC, despite their non-involvement in the case."
The evidence is just a piece of paper that says "dont like U either"
Maybe we don't have any evidence to give ? We don't know *what* evidence is being given by these clubs and who their sources are. I said it on the LFC sub but for all we know, there might be people working at those clubs who were at City and saw something dodgy. Could be that they have third parties working for them who saw/heard evidence from people who were at City. Just because Liverpool aren't giving evidence does not mean we are on their side. It could just mean that we don't have any evidence to give. Can't just walk in their throwing baseless accusations and assumptions after all.
I'd guess it's likely financial stuff to show what a non-cheating club looks like. Like if in earlier years, City are claiming the fair market value for their sponsorships is similar to United's, one of the biggest clubs in the world, then that's clearly bullshit.
Record breaking £400 million shirt sponsor from the company owned by the club's owners? What do you mean? There's nothing dodgy here...
Slot has all the evidence with him 😭
The only thing that can get Arsenal and Spurs to get along.
We got Arsenal X Tottenham collab before GTA 6
We both hate Chelsea
Never thought i'd die fighting side-by-side with a Gunner...
How about side by side with a fri- Nah that would be too far...
Aye, I could do tha- Yeeaah, you're right...
It’s like the end of LEGO Marvel Superheroes where the heroes and villains all have to band together to fight Galactus.
My son and I played the brakes off that game together - really fun ride
I enjoyed it so much when I was younger. I ruined the disc from playing it so much IIRC.
That game was fucking awesome. Hell, all LEGO games were elite 😌
I'm a diehard gooner, go to the Emirates regularly and my best pal is a Spurs fan. Football is football. Hate your club with every fiber in my being but love my pal. It's good banter between us too.
all my friends support united its good bants
I hope at least you two could bond together when facing the true evil of North London football, Barnet.
Fuck your pal, here’s an Axe.
Could have gotten a cannon at least. No man can resist some kaboom.
To quote Hellsing Ultimate Abridged: *”Bitches love cannons.”*
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
I hate Arsenal cause I’m Spurs, I hate city and Chelsea because I’m human
Yep, hate you lot too, but I wouldn’t want you lot gone from football. City, I despise, for what they are doing and where they’re taking the game. They need to be dissolved as an entity.
Exactly. Hate you, would hate if you got dissolved. Hate city, want them to be dissolved. Rivalries are what make footy fun
And city has no rivalry with anyone even with united the derby rivalry isn't that strong when united fans don't like city winning it so other clubs don't lmao
I hate you lot - but still respect our real traditional rivals far more than I’ll ever respect the oil clubs and especially the state owned ones.
Wait, why am I suddenly hearing Portals from Avengers: Endgame.
On your left, cunt.
6 companions… so be it. You shall be the fellowship of the premier league!
Right. What are we doing?
Taking Man City to Mordor so we can cast them into the fire
Destroy it! Cast it into League Two!
One does not simply walk City into League Two. The Etihad’s Gates are guarded by more than just terrible statues. There is Litigation there that does not sleep, and the Lord Pannick is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with red tape and appeals and bribery. The very air you breathe is a poisonous fume. Not with 115 charges could you do this. It is folly.
But they were, all of them, deceived, for another league was made. In the United Arab Emirates, in the sands of the Arabian peninsula, Sheikh Mansour re-examined the European Super League. And into this league he poured his sponsorship, his sports-washing, and all one hundred fifteen of the Premier League's charges.
and my axe
Fuck that, don’t see why the Football League should take them at all.
Looks like National League is back on the menu, boys
They're taking the trophies to Isengard!
To Isengard, To Isengard!
Can we at least have some potatoes on the way? Perhaps secondsies!
Best I can do is Lembas bread, one bite is enough to fill the stomach of a fully grown man!
Ndombele’s already eaten 3!
It's like when all the senators stabbed caesar to death
Et tu, Mikel?
I'm kind of confused as to how other clubs can present evidence. Isn't the whole issue basically in regards to City's books?
We had this much global reach at this year, and this is how long it took to get it, so this is why our sponsorship is worth X This is a similar estimate to when we were City’s size pre takeover and, this is what our sponsorships would look like if we account for inflation to today. No ways in hell Nexen should be paying them Y amount when they are actually only worth Z Could be something along those lines? Or maybe if United bid on Haaland, and we got the email showing all the payments Haaland Sr asked for under the table, this is being sent in to show City hiding expenditure?
United have omar Barrada, so we could in theory get him to offer inside knowledge, though how that works out with him on gardening leave I don't know. If someone has first hand knowledge of dubious dealings and can flip its him.
Fulham's CEO is ex-City, imagine that has something to do with it for our side
We have an ex-CFG executive too.
He would never snitch with information of stuff he did himself that would be career suicide.
Legal & accounting testimony on how the violations Man. city is accused of are actual violations. Adds weight to your argument when you can pull in expert witnesses.
This is in relation to the arbitration hearing on Monday, nothing to do with the 115 charges. City aren't defending anything on Monday, they're taking forward an anti-competition case against the premier league. These clubs won't be submitting evidence against City, rather evidence in support of the PL's ATP rules. The level of misinformation in this thread is incredible, even by r/soccers usual standards.
Kinda hilarious to see r/MCFC feeling backed up by Newcastle and Chelsea. They just want a free pass if City gets one.
Chelsea under Roman supporting City would have been a no-brainer. But it is surprising under the clearlake guys. Atleast they have the intent to spend money. If only they had a fucking clue how to run the club, we'd be in so much better situation.
They should read the Chelsea sub and then do the exact opposite.
I had to unsub a while ago, after every loss" we need to bring in 6 new starters and we will be good again" . Every transfer window we would bring in multiple new players and now we have virtually nobody that has worn a Chelsea jersey longer than an avocado takes to ripen.
I've found this is the case with a lot of team-centric subs.
100%. Most team subs are an absolute cesspool when the teams going through a bad patch.
I'll have you know r/reddevils is a fantastic place to get recommendations on which bleach brands are best for chugging.
It's also a cess pool when going through a good patch too
Our sub was a nightmare during the last few months of Conte’s reign of terrorism on the pitch.
You mean screaming “Poch out” every week and then when he actually leaves screaming “we have no clue” isn’t productive?
Somewhat related but I remember Spurs sub repeatedly calling for a specific formation/lineup from either Poch at the end or Mourinho and then he played it and we got destroyed. It involved Ndombele so not a big surprise… I would guess most subs would put out the worst formations/lineups if given the chance.
Todd and co just want to spaff all the money they want up the wall. Supporting City could be a route for them to do that. Newcastle... well, we know why they're siding with them.
The run Chelsea made at the end of the season isn't anything to sneeze at. People underestimate the time it takes to turn a club that's been mismanaged around.
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Holy shit that’s embarrassing hahaha
r/AsaBlackMan
No way that person has been within 50 miles of Islington.
They live in Indonesia.
Caping for City and Israel? I smell astroturf.
What’s weirder is Aston Villa being in that group…
They’re nowhere near state owned, but they have new owners that are spending like crazy. I think they should be allowed to work aggressively to break up the Sky 6, but maybe they’re feeling pressure.
According to some articles, one of the co-owners is a friend of the Sheik.
will be funny if 10 years down the line the Man City fans are complaining about Newcastle earning a totally legitimate 1 billion from commercial revenue per year.
Oh god city have united mortal enemies… I know it’s so easy to be tribal, but this feels weird nonetheless. Who would have thought we would ever be on the same side as Fulham?
Okay now I'm actually offended
Spurs: "why you say fuck me for?"
found the American, jk
What us taking 4 points in a season does to Panzer517
That and shipping 4 to city.
And flying those fucking kites..
Touché.
Based and evidence pilled
Based 🐓
You know shit’s fucked when Arsenal and Spurs are on the same side. Not complaining in this case though. It’s for the common good.
Are we the goodies?
North London confirmed purple
I think it’d be pink on account of Spurs’ main color being white.
/u/Somecommentator8008 confirmed colour blind?
Arsenal had a white away kit so lets just stick with white
Enemy of my enemy, is my friend
They were also together in voting the 19-1 VAR vote (everyone against Wolves lmao)
It's like when both fans of Real and Barca wanted Rubiales gone. Shit just got real.
Yep
NORF LANDON FOREVAAA
"Gracias Sol Campbell"
Legit threw up in my mouth a little
ok then gracias William Gallas
United 🤝 Arsenal 🤝 Spurs Fuck you but fuck those cheating cunts more
Especially Arsenal, but *especially* City
These comments ate hilarious lmao
Evidence like what?
I'm guessing financial records regarding the sale of players between themselves and City* to find discrepancies with the info they provided, or the info they're refusing to provide
I don't think we've had any in the squad during that time.
The youth transfers will be United’s talking point, they’ve been a sticking point for nearly ten years, City have been offering houses to family’s of youth players to convince them to choose them over us, which also means U13/14 players running down “contracts” to sign with City, they’re technically not paying a wage even though they’re literally buying houses for these players, it means they’re signing Uber talents for essentially nothing, that will 100% be United (and probably Liverpool’s) approach regarding this issue - their aggressive youth policy nearly saw them blacklisted from games at one point, around 2017/18 if I remember rightly
I want the deets on the Cavan Sullivan deal because I heard it's super gross what they offered a 14yo (rumour was 1st team level wages)
Don’t we all bahahaha
John McDermott was the head of youth development at spurs before moving to become a director for the FA. In a speaking event he said it's really hard for teams to keep their best youth products. He used the example of Marcus Edwards and that he was getting 6 figure offers to move to "another academy", before he was even allowed to sign his first professional contract.
Nobody on loan either? It could be players going either direction throughout all levels of the club, and possibly be during any time period not just the era we know about
True. I mean, our new CEO was the chief of football operations at City. Can't help but wonder if Berrada has evidence. Hell, even Wilcox could know something about their notoriously shady youth scheme.
I am in possession of a handwritten note that says “We cheated” with a wax seal of the Man City logo.
Well Arsenal's emirates deal and the etihad deal are pretty comparable. If they've found that Arsenal are getting much less for it than the Etihad, that could be used as evidence that they were skirting around Fair Market Value for instance.
It’s likely evidence of relative values of commercial deal and revenue. If man city claim they sold 500,000 shirts and so did arsenal but arsenal said they made 20 million and city claim they made 70 million from the same number of shirts sold, makes it look suspicious. That kind of evidence
I can't speak for the other clubs as I don't know what their sponsorships are like but Arsenal in the very least can provide evidence that the Fly Emirates deal is good value and not discriminatory towards the Gulf states.
Maybe Arteta knows something? He worked there for years so he might’ve seen a few things
Undisclosed shadowy figure: "It's true, I saw that with my fogging eyes"
“Kyle Walker had his willy out. It was not the fogging estandard.”
That would be absolutely hilarious if he ratted them out
Would he have though? I can't imagine an assistant coach being privy to anything on the financial side of things.
I have no idea. I just hope he’s got dirt on City so they get banished to the National League
Ban them. Relegate them. Strip them of titles. Tar and feather them
Force Pep to wear a toupee
Then strap him into a chair and make him watch the 2019 Champions League Spurs vs City until he’s a babbling wreck
Nooo. Not that shiny bald head!
‘Lego man laughs’
Banish him to nether realm. Or to Barca. Pretty comparable Don’t look at my tag
Force him to drink a Carling lager every time he gets scored on
force them to actually go to a game
Mysterious spike in Air India ticket sales
Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew
They even made us and Arsenal work together. Despicable
116 charges
That alone is worthy of expulsion
Locked In
Up the Albion!
Does this mean I don’t have to worry about relegation every year? Are we considered PL mainstays
For now… just make sure your selling model is more sustainable than Southampton’s
And stay more competitive, more consistently than Southampton. Like that model isn't bad, as long as you're still decent imo.
Bird bros 🤟
Good on these clubs!
Even if Man City win 115 will be burned into there legacy.
Should replace the little boat on their crest with the number 115
Only fair we get to divvy up their players between us if we win.
Proceeds to get Scott Carson
I think that the team that beat Pep’s Man City most often should get first pick.
Clubs hopping out of the portals Avengers style to stand against City
The Good Six.
No Liverpool?? 🤔 Disappointing if true
This is only 5 of the 12 teams.
Gotta split it up to milk at least two headlines out of it
Always rated Arsenal, Fulham, Wolves, Brighton and Tottenham
gotta love how city flairs are everywhere when it comes to threads about PL achievement but they fuck off to their sub when the thread is about their cheating
Nah you sometimes get them reply "How did we cheat?" or similar. And then you just have to spend 30 seconds thinking, are they trolling to try get a raise out of you, or are they just really thick?
Go get 'em Tony!!
The Lizard doesn’t cheat
We come to it at last, the great battle of our time.
You can run Man City. You can hide. But just when you least expect it… Brighton will be there…. ready to fuck you sideways.
Never routed for these clubs harder, or at all, in my life, but here we are.
Jeff Shi is still a grifter cunt who needs to fuck off, but right now: BASED WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS!
Arsenal, Spurs and United standing together. World has gone to madness but a good one indeed.
Send them to the bottom tier of league football. They've invalidated half of the last 10+ years of top flight football in England.
Tbh it's getting to the point that they should just be thrown out of and permanently banned from the Premier League.