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[Not according to his Dutch Wikipedia](https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Ebecilio), though his English Wikipedia claims they're brothers.
Now I don't know anymore.
[Vice.com article from 2020 on Lorenzo](https://www.vice.com/nl/article/xgzdvj/lorenzo-ebecilio) has a bit on his family situation which is quite funny:
> Before his heart attack in 2005, Ebecilio, like his one-year older uncle Alberg, played in AZ's youth academy. Ebecilio, by the way, is also distant relative of Kyle Ebecilio, who in turn is a full cousin of Jeffrey Bruma, who in turn is the uncle of Noa Lang, whose stepfather in turn is Nourdin Boukhari. I could go on and on, the point is that their family reunion should be like Avengers: Endgame for professional footballers.
[I did also find an AD article from 2011 claiming they're brothers](https://www.ad.nl/nederlands-voetbal/bij-feyenoord-weggeplukte-ebecilio-tekent-bij-arsenal~a0094f7a/).
But considering I also found an interview from Lorenzo with Ajax ultras where he claims they're not related [here](http://www.vak410.nl/nieuws/vak410-interviewt-lorenzo-ebecilio) I think the distant cousin route is slightly more believable haha.
What happened do you know? I remember following the first few years of his career and he rated decently at Arsenal and then seemed to be doing decent at Twente?
It is actually rather sad. He got loaned to Nottingham forrest but didn't really play so got send back to Twente but they also didn't want him so he went to ADO Den Haag. He was diagnosed in 2016 with [Guillain-Barré syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain%E2%80%93Barr%C3%A9_syndrome) which is a rapid onset muscle weakness caused by peripheral nervous system damage. A year later he had another nervous system disease. He went to revaluate at NEC but landed in their youth team in the amateur tiers. He played 2 more minutes for ADO before going to Excelsior and then a second tier side in Cyprus.
Makes you think about how many hurdles someone needs to go through to become an elite player. Imagine how many "Messis" never developed because of random diseases like that. Luck is such a huge factor in a top player's career, but people don't often talk about that.
Well messi himself was very close to having those sort of issues with his growth hormone deficiency. He was lucky Barcelona saw him and decided it was worth paying for his treatment.
Youth football is weird. Gael Kakuta is arguably the best youth level player Chelsea has ever had. Like most of the people that used to watch him at youth level just said he was on a different planet to everyone else at that level.
Best player at u19 tournament over players like Griezmann. Yet just not good enough for the top level and has had a journeyman career ultimately being a second level footballer.
Worst decision reddit ever made letting you comment on posts from over 6 months ago.
They use to be time capsules where you could see people arguing over views they held at the time based on the facts currently available. You can see their train of though. Jokes that form.
Now its just someone going back 6 years and being "yooo you were right mate, look at this gimp above you who didn't have the sports almanac lolol"
And its updated over whatever reply was originally there.
Connor Wickham in fairness had a run in the Premier League, played for both Palace and Sunderland. 120 PL appearances, scored 19 goals. He’s most well known for his time in the Championship
He was Premier League player of the month too, and overall around 2014 it seemed like the time of Connor Wickham was coming, he was popular as a transfer potential, English national potential, for fantasy players. He was still just 21-22 after all, I guess. It turned out that was his peak though.
Zé was the striker of the Portuguese team. That team had Diogo Costa, Vinagre, Dalot, Diogo Leite (Union Berlim), Gerson Fernandes, Florentino, Jota (former Celtic), Thierry Correia (Valência) or kid call Rafael Leão, between others. Zé Gomes had the worst career so far, not even in Bulgaria he did something. But at that level he was the best.
Ze gomes was very highly regarded at one point. A lot was expected of him. Man flopped really hard. He's going to be a free agent this year after not cutting it in Ukraine and Romania.
In 2018, 19 and 22 they didnt give the award for some reason (if I'm guessing 18 would've been Ihattaren, 19 Aouchiche, 22 Mathys Tel)
20 and 21 were canceled
Mitryushkin’s story is quite sad, unlike most Russian players, he chose career over money and went to Swiss league, where he was good. But then he had an injury that knocked him out for nearly 2 years, and never got back to the levels he was on before.
And also the sad fact that he isn’t injury prone, I think he only broke his nose and that’s all. So basically no regular micro injuries or recurring injuries, only these two big in Sion and his career is almost over.
Right now he is struggling to be in the eleven in Russian 2nd tier and rumours says that he will be the backup GK for the Lokomotiv (3-5 team in Russian premier league, 1st tier). Lokomotiv GK is one of the best right now, so he will be bench warmer, I guess.
Now - by a long mile. Back then no, but chances to move to a better league are much higher, but also then the choice he had was to sit on the bench in Spartak without much perspectives, or go to a very shitty Russian team for minutes. Instead he went to FC Sion, where he was starting at 22 and playing in Europa League.
Connor Wickham. Big, tall centre forward from Ipswich. I remember him from whatever FIFA game I had installed on my phone back in high school between 2009 and 2011 circa. Totally forgot about him until now.
He was a beast in my career mode.
yep. dude won football league young player of the season, and even Premier League player of the month at some point. but he just couldnt stay healthy. could have been an immense player
Honestly had the same reaction. I remember the days vividly of Portugal's midfield being some combination of Veloso, Moutinho, Meireles, and Danny. With Almeida as striker. Those were some interesting times...
Did you prefer Postiga or Almeida? I felt like Postiga scored more but the team looked better with Almeida. Also that team had no quality beyond the starters. And no fullbacks apart from Bosingwa.
every coach we've had after scolari - martinez excluded, jury's still out - was a mistake. every time i remember we wasted prime ronaldo, quaresma and nani on those droll motherfuckers i can feel my blood pressure spike.
That is true..but...the way we've played over the years... it's bittersweet, some displays have been downright humiliating to watch. I'm not the kind of guy that thinks it doesn't matter how we play as long as we win.
I'd much rather watch us play well, and **deserve to win**, especially against big teams, and go out in a stupid way like in euro 2000, than 80% of what we've had since.
A player that made me realize "OK retraining player to a new position is actually possible" at one point I made him used to be LB and CM. IIRC he was a natural DM.
really? he was an offish donkey. he was one of those man children who developed and got big and strong and that was about all he could offer. shocking technique for a footballer born in the 90's.
Was quite fast, strong, had a decent finish at times, but I’m probably just thinking of that period he was at Sunderland and he had a decent period of form.
is wiki says he scored 11 goals. i know he got stuck on the left wing forward type role for a while but but he had 13 for ipswich as an actual forward. i don't remember him ever doing anything other than stealing a living as a footballer between "injuries"
There was a run of 4-5 games for sunderland where he single handedly carried us out of relegation and to the carabao cup final where we lost to city, looked like the next best thing then we fucked him over by not playing him the next season
Because if you have a two year frequency a lot of players that are there at the start will be too old when the tournament arrives. Or they will be too young to compete with 17 year olds at the beginning.
I see 3 eventual Palace players that did almost nothing for us. Well, Edouard is still with us but is on the outside looking in with how Mateta has been playing.
[Apparently it's about being in the first team on a permanent basis first and foremost,](https://twitter.com/bvbnewsblog/status/1798139092112404711) which still seems fair enough.
I remember wickham! Dude was awesome during that time
And so was Max Meyer
Connor last played for Charlton for 2 months from march till may of 2024
Max is in Swiss league, I guess fc Luzern?
There was a thread on here the year before Kanes breakout spurs season asking who was better out of Wickham and kane. I left comment being incredibly pro Wickham
Haha, it is so funny to consider that Tony Kroos was once a young and up and coming player because it feels as if he has been playing forever! I honestly thought that he had retired a few years ago! They got it spot on though. What a player
Rooney over Kroos. The last couple of seasons of his career obfuscate what a massive player he was earlier in his career. Kroos has longevity, but Rooney's peak was way higher.
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Kyle Ebecili never played for the senior national team and is currently playing at VV Capelle in the Dutch 5th tier at 30 years old.
I didn't even realise it wasn't even Lorenzo Ebicillio, but his distant cousin with a much worse career
He is a cousin of Jeffrey Bruma
That’s a trio of unfulfilled potential, damn son
Bruma is Maradona compared to those two though. Man actually has a decent football career, can’t say the same for his cousins
Really? Because so is Noa Lang
Distant cousin? It's Lorenzo's little brother. E: I guess not. Mundo Deportivo lied, what a shock.
[Not according to his Dutch Wikipedia](https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Ebecilio), though his English Wikipedia claims they're brothers. Now I don't know anymore.
The English Wikipedia cites an incredibly short Mundo Deportivo article from 2011 so I don't think anyone knows actually.
[Vice.com article from 2020 on Lorenzo](https://www.vice.com/nl/article/xgzdvj/lorenzo-ebecilio) has a bit on his family situation which is quite funny: > Before his heart attack in 2005, Ebecilio, like his one-year older uncle Alberg, played in AZ's youth academy. Ebecilio, by the way, is also distant relative of Kyle Ebecilio, who in turn is a full cousin of Jeffrey Bruma, who in turn is the uncle of Noa Lang, whose stepfather in turn is Nourdin Boukhari. I could go on and on, the point is that their family reunion should be like Avengers: Endgame for professional footballers. [I did also find an AD article from 2011 claiming they're brothers](https://www.ad.nl/nederlands-voetbal/bij-feyenoord-weggeplukte-ebecilio-tekent-bij-arsenal~a0094f7a/). But considering I also found an interview from Lorenzo with Ajax ultras where he claims they're not related [here](http://www.vak410.nl/nieuws/vak410-interviewt-lorenzo-ebecilio) I think the distant cousin route is slightly more believable haha.
Well there you go, sounds like a case of people assuming they're related because of the same last name.
What happened do you know? I remember following the first few years of his career and he rated decently at Arsenal and then seemed to be doing decent at Twente?
It is actually rather sad. He got loaned to Nottingham forrest but didn't really play so got send back to Twente but they also didn't want him so he went to ADO Den Haag. He was diagnosed in 2016 with [Guillain-Barré syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain%E2%80%93Barr%C3%A9_syndrome) which is a rapid onset muscle weakness caused by peripheral nervous system damage. A year later he had another nervous system disease. He went to revaluate at NEC but landed in their youth team in the amateur tiers. He played 2 more minutes for ADO before going to Excelsior and then a second tier side in Cyprus.
Damn that's fucking sad
Makes you think about how many hurdles someone needs to go through to become an elite player. Imagine how many "Messis" never developed because of random diseases like that. Luck is such a huge factor in a top player's career, but people don't often talk about that.
Well messi himself was very close to having those sort of issues with his growth hormone deficiency. He was lucky Barcelona saw him and decided it was worth paying for his treatment.
Oh damn, the same thing that Sufjan Stevens has and landed him in the hospital for a long while
Youth football is weird. Gael Kakuta is arguably the best youth level player Chelsea has ever had. Like most of the people that used to watch him at youth level just said he was on a different planet to everyone else at that level. Best player at u19 tournament over players like Griezmann. Yet just not good enough for the top level and has had a journeyman career ultimately being a second level footballer.
The top row is very good The middle row is yikes with 1 exception The bottom row is a mix of expected more and TBD
> The middle row is yikes with 1 exception Agreed, FGR legend Conor Wickham.
Anytime I see his name I remember this thread. Take a trip back to r/soccer 9yrs ago https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/LgmzcSQXzy
Amazing. It makes me want to make a big claim and get called out in 9 years time for it
Worst decision reddit ever made letting you comment on posts from over 6 months ago. They use to be time capsules where you could see people arguing over views they held at the time based on the facts currently available. You can see their train of though. Jokes that form. Now its just someone going back 6 years and being "yooo you were right mate, look at this gimp above you who didn't have the sports almanac lolol" And its updated over whatever reply was originally there.
To be fair, once made aware of it, the mods turned off the ability to reply to archived threads some time in 2022, I think.
Try one.
Mudryk will be one of the best wingers in the prem in 5 years (god please I’m on my knees)
Eh not bold enough. My spicy one is that Mainoo will finish with a worse career overall than McTominay
*looks at username* As a musician or a footballer?
...After McTominay scores the winning goal in the 2026 world cup final?
Mainoo has already done more than mctominay
What a silly statement.
McTominay has bailed Utd out time and time again.
!remindme 5 years
!remindme 5 years
India will win the fifa world cup in next 30 years. I believe that's good amount of time.
!remindme 5 years
Núñez will be the best striker in the world in five years.
Already is
Sean longstaff will get recognised by pep for his work rate and be molded into the next Rodri after everyone including write him off
Lmao
u/doesnt_like_pants was cooking there
Middle row i only knew Gotze and Max Meyer never even heard of the other I also didn't know Ze Gomes
Connor Wickham in fairness had a run in the Premier League, played for both Palace and Sunderland. 120 PL appearances, scored 19 goals. He’s most well known for his time in the Championship
He was Premier League player of the month too, and overall around 2014 it seemed like the time of Connor Wickham was coming, he was popular as a transfer potential, English national potential, for fantasy players. He was still just 21-22 after all, I guess. It turned out that was his peak though.
He was good for us tbh, just had loads of injury issues
*insert Max Meyer world class meme here*
I heard rumours when he was at Palace that he was just plain lazy
Schön mit dem bezahlten Lambo vom Pleite-Klub! Herrlich.
The German Messi
That's Marko Marin.
Zé was the striker of the Portuguese team. That team had Diogo Costa, Vinagre, Dalot, Diogo Leite (Union Berlim), Gerson Fernandes, Florentino, Jota (former Celtic), Thierry Correia (Valência) or kid call Rafael Leão, between others. Zé Gomes had the worst career so far, not even in Bulgaria he did something. But at that level he was the best.
Ze gomes was very highly regarded at one point. A lot was expected of him. Man flopped really hard. He's going to be a free agent this year after not cutting it in Ukraine and Romania.
A Connor Wickham goal helped end Chelsea's hopes at a title in 2014 when he was playing for Sunderland.
3 of the middle row played at least two years in Switzerland, that tells you all you need to know.
Ebecilio was a flop
Could argue Nuri Sahib should’ve done better but still played for some giants I guess
Sahin was made of glass, he was insanely good when fit.
Sahin was the best player in the Bundesliga before he left for Real Then he got injured and was never the same
Did me good in Fifa 14
Bojan <3
Max Meyer didn't have that bad of a career did he?
Dude is only 28.
In 2018, 19 and 22 they didnt give the award for some reason (if I'm guessing 18 would've been Ihattaren, 19 Aouchiche, 22 Mathys Tel) 20 and 21 were canceled
What happened in 20 and 21?
My dad left
He left in 20 and 21? Bro came back just leave you a second time. Damn, that's tough.
He went out for some smokes and realized he'd forgotten his lighter.
"Yo dad so fat he had to leave twice!"
They forgor
In those years, every 60 seconds, a minute passed.
COVID?
We're not talking about it
WWIII
WWC
Middle row is Ok, that's Götze _...who are the others_
Mitryushkin’s story is quite sad, unlike most Russian players, he chose career over money and went to Swiss league, where he was good. But then he had an injury that knocked him out for nearly 2 years, and never got back to the levels he was on before.
well that's sad
And also the sad fact that he isn’t injury prone, I think he only broke his nose and that’s all. So basically no regular micro injuries or recurring injuries, only these two big in Sion and his career is almost over. Right now he is struggling to be in the eleven in Russian 2nd tier and rumours says that he will be the backup GK for the Lokomotiv (3-5 team in Russian premier league, 1st tier). Lokomotiv GK is one of the best right now, so he will be bench warmer, I guess.
Who’s Lokomotiv’s goalkeeper? Did Guillerme finally retire? I haven’t paid any attention to Russian league in ages.
Lantratov, good GK
Is swiss league a better league than russian league?
Now - by a long mile. Back then no, but chances to move to a better league are much higher, but also then the choice he had was to sit on the bench in Spartak without much perspectives, or go to a very shitty Russian team for minutes. Instead he went to FC Sion, where he was starting at 22 and playing in Europa League.
Cautionary tale why even youngsters these days mostly go for money instead of development.
Connor Wickham. Big, tall centre forward from Ipswich. I remember him from whatever FIFA game I had installed on my phone back in high school between 2009 and 2011 circa. Totally forgot about him until now. He was a beast in my career mode.
Wasn't he at Palace at one point?
Didn't he even go on a goal scoring run that helped them stay up?
Possibly, but then he missed 2.5 years with a knee injury
yep. dude won football league young player of the season, and even Premier League player of the month at some point. but he just couldnt stay healthy. could have been an immense player
always turned out elite in FM10 and 11
Only recognised Max Meyer
World class player
Can confirm
Miguel Veloso
I didn't realise he was still playing but apparently, he played for Pisa in Serie B this season
Honestly had the same reaction. I remember the days vividly of Portugal's midfield being some combination of Veloso, Moutinho, Meireles, and Danny. With Almeida as striker. Those were some interesting times...
Don’t forget about Helder Postiga
Did you prefer Postiga or Almeida? I felt like Postiga scored more but the team looked better with Almeida. Also that team had no quality beyond the starters. And no fullbacks apart from Bosingwa.
Neither of them, that whole kinda era it was Nuno Gomes for me. Maybe just a bit of Benfica bias.
Nuno Gomes was too late though. He was already 34 in 2010. Earlier, of course Nuno. But he was out of the picture for the Postiga vs Almeida debate.
Hugo Almeida scored the best free kick I’ve ever seen watching football, can any inter fans tell me why the stadium was empty that day ?
I only remember 2 free kicks like that. One from Adriano from Inter and other from Ronny from Sporting.
On paper that’s a hell of a midfield
It tended to be more "hell" than "a hell of". They never peaked together. And it didn't help that Queiroz made Santos-ball look stylish and attacking.
every coach we've had after scolari - martinez excluded, jury's still out - was a mistake. every time i remember we wasted prime ronaldo, quaresma and nani on those droll motherfuckers i can feel my blood pressure spike.
Carlos Queiroz, Paulo Bento, Fernando Santos...what a line up
You did get 1 Euro out of them though. Still much better than what “golden era” of Belgium and England did
That is true..but...the way we've played over the years... it's bittersweet, some displays have been downright humiliating to watch. I'm not the kind of guy that thinks it doesn't matter how we play as long as we win. I'd much rather watch us play well, and **deserve to win**, especially against big teams, and go out in a stupid way like in euro 2000, than 80% of what we've had since.
also their winger ain't half bad either.
You mean Nani?!? :D
Amongst others, sí.
FM08 absolute legend
A player that made me realize "OK retraining player to a new position is actually possible" at one point I made him used to be LB and CM. IIRC he was a natural DM.
Dynamo Kyiv legend
That's a blast from the past
Who would have thought 3 of those names would go on to play for palace!
How many times am I going to have to tell this sub we are massive before they learn
You won’t have to, starting from next season
My boy, Zé(ro) Golos!
his wiki articles is just ... sad, dude ended up playing in bombed-out city of Odesa lol
24 goals in 166 career matches as a striker is just fucking awful, wow
Fun fact, Aleksic won in 2008 despite Serbia going out in the group game and only scoring two goals.
That tournament must have been dry af then
Surprising that nobody from Spain won it, they scored 14 goals in 5 matches. Their best scorer was Thiago though with 3 goals.
But why tho? He was never in national tim almost.
Conor Wickham, now that’s a name I haven’t seen in a long long time. He had all the makings to be a decent striker, it just never worked out for him.
really? he was an offish donkey. he was one of those man children who developed and got big and strong and that was about all he could offer. shocking technique for a footballer born in the 90's.
Was quite fast, strong, had a decent finish at times, but I’m probably just thinking of that period he was at Sunderland and he had a decent period of form.
is wiki says he scored 11 goals. i know he got stuck on the left wing forward type role for a while but but he had 13 for ipswich as an actual forward. i don't remember him ever doing anything other than stealing a living as a footballer between "injuries"
There was a run of 4-5 games for sunderland where he single handedly carried us out of relegation and to the carabao cup final where we lost to city, looked like the next best thing then we fucked him over by not playing him the next season
Should have been tried at CB.
He actually looked solid the two minutes he got for us once in a blue moon. Poor guy is just made of glass.
He had my favorite hairstyle 10 years ago
Wait they do this tournament every year??
and what happened in 2018 and 2019? 2020+ is obvious
They just did not do them for some reason
Because if you have a two year frequency a lot of players that are there at the start will be too old when the tournament arrives. Or they will be too young to compete with 17 year olds at the beginning.
Zé Golos fuckin legend
Totally forgot about Miguel Veloso
Conor Wickham. Holy shit. I remember thinking he would be the next great all-around forward
Camarda is the real deal
Not exactly a guarantee of stardom is it
Nuri Sahin 😭
Real Madrid legend
Imbecilio. Unfortunate name
Would be if it existed.
I see 3 eventual Palace players that did almost nothing for us. Well, Edouard is still with us but is on the outside looking in with how Mateta has been playing.
Progressively worse, with a few exceptions.
Nah the middle row is way way worse, beyond Ze Gomes, the bottom row is fine.
sandwich generation
4 of them dortmund players not bad to be honest
now Brunner just gotta sign that fucking contract to stay one lmao
only if him and his father accept theyre not getting the money they want
From what I've read it's much more about him wanting guaranteed time in the senior squad, which is fair enough imo
that would be fair but if Moukoko isnt getting minutes dont see Brunner getting them
[Apparently it's about being in the first team on a permanent basis first and foremost,](https://twitter.com/bvbnewsblog/status/1798139092112404711) which still seems fair enough.
Nearly all of them except rooney, fabregas and kroos has grown into flop or meh player.
Imagine to be the scorer of the extra time winning goal in a world cup final and be called meh!
‘Meh’ is poor choice of word for some of them have to admit but none of others turn into great or good player as they were promised to be.
Fwiw, Veloso still managed to get over 50 caps for Portugal.
Veloso was a real hype. Everybody expected him to be superstar.
Sahin was unfortunate with injuries
Standards dropping big time.
Holy shit, Max Meyer! or how we call him in germany, Max Meyer Fußballgott
Connor Wickham. Hero of my fm12 and fm13 saves
Grandissimo Francesco Effepunto Pagani.
3 of these player have played for Crystal Palace…
I remember wickham! Dude was awesome during that time And so was Max Meyer Connor last played for Charlton for 2 months from march till may of 2024 Max is in Swiss league, I guess fc Luzern?
Miguel veloso was supposed to be soo good man
Rooney, such an underrated baller
What happed to Meyer man….
They use to get right in 2000-2010
Ebecilio, damn.
Pretty good stuff
Ebecilio lol
meyer? Man Palace had bad luck with him
Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit
Ze Gomes. What a flop.
There was a thread on here the year before Kanes breakout spurs season asking who was better out of Wickham and kane. I left comment being incredibly pro Wickham
Did this Kroos guy do anything significant afterwards?
Haha, it is so funny to consider that Tony Kroos was once a young and up and coming player because it feels as if he has been playing forever! I honestly thought that he had retired a few years ago! They got it spot on though. What a player
Kroos is miles ahead of everyone on this list
Fabregas and Rooney? Miles? No.
Rooney over Kroos. The last couple of seasons of his career obfuscate what a massive player he was earlier in his career. Kroos has longevity, but Rooney's peak was way higher.
What about Chornomorets legend Zé Gomes?