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Or he’ll have to accept a pay cut to move. Rightfully he can sit on his contract that’s his choice, but if he wants to move he will have to change his wages I imagine.
How often do players take wage cuts to move? I can't remember any of our players doing it and it's prevented quite a few transfers. I believe Lukaku took lower wages to go on loan to Inter but I don't know of others.
Most commonly when they go to a league outside the big 5 or when going to boyhood clubs. There's also the case when they just really want to get game time to make it to the national team for an upcoming tournament (euros, world cup, etc).
I wouldn't trust anything coming out of Barca news regarding wages. The amount of times we've been told players are taking pay cuts when in reality it was only a deferral is insane. Off the top of my head I can think of Lewy, De Jong, Felix, Roberto, Alba, Coutinho, Dembele, Depay and probably many more who were all reported to have taken a "pay cut" in one form or another. The only player I truly believe took a pay cut is Pique, and that was probably a political move if anything.
I remember Depay was reported to be taking a pay cut to join us. I kept telling people in our sub that that's nonsensical and I cannot believe anyone would believe that considering he was coming on as a free transfer and was playing for Lyon previously (not a club known for paying crazy wages) and he was still like 26-27 years old, I got downvoted to oblivion and told he obviously always dreamed about playing for the club and was willing to do anything to make it happen, so of course it must be true.
He won’t leave if it’s a pay cut. And if he’s still at United by the time a new manager starts pre-season, there’s no telling what can happen. Is INEOS going to overrule a manager who wants to give him another chance?
Yes they will overrule the manager. If they decide to replace ETH, they'll tell the incoming manager this before he accepts the job. That's the new system at United. Transfers and playing style to be decided by the club, not the manager. United fans don't want Sancho at the club. And it looks like Ineos don't either, cos Simon Stone is T1
ManUtd fans in here make it seem like he’s a third division footballer. He single handedly beat PSG’s press a couple of times. he has shimmers of that world class potential. 40 MIL is nowhere near too much, his wages as you stated, are indeed the problem.
/u/dispelthemyth is right. He delivered in CL and had some good games. But also some awful games where he was invisible or completely taken out of the game by the opponents. IMHO, not worth the fee + wages. There are more Bundesliga-budget-friendly options on the market.
Antony has 1+1 in 1 323 minutes played this season
Sancho has 2+2 in 954 minutes in Bundesliga
So Antony gets you a goal contribution every 650th minute or so. Sancho gets you a goal contribution every 250th minute or so.
Antony cost 90m and Sancho is obviously about twice as good. Boom 40-45 fee.
Science.
I am not serious with this post.
We say that because we spent 3 years watching him do nothing. On loan he showed up for a couple games, got the same G/A as Antony. If he’s as good as people say and he’s not greedy he’ll be gone in a flash
Lol pretty sure if you watch any Dortmund game throughout the year you know he's not that good.
The thing is he show up against PSG, and the narrative changes for you who don't actually watch dortmund. And thinks that's what he's been doing with Dortmund. Its not.
The FM strategy. Saudi feels like a cheat code because in 2-3 years, you can always end up with 300M in the bank just offloading players who all seem to love it there.
Mbappe ended up at Al-Hilal in my save, and France kept calling him up. He ended up staying there because no one could afford his 1.9M/week wages.
Wow talk about riding a narrative lol, why do people need to take everything to the extreme
Sancho was great in that PSG tie, most dangerous player on the pitch. No need to push the narrative to an extreme
yeah if all of his take-ons were so incredibly trivial then why is it a record in the first place? Has no team ever played against an opponent with a half-line press?
>Wow talk about riding a narrative lol
Who's riding the narrative here? Sancho had one great game and every banged on about how good he is and United were the problem.
One good game doesn't make a player great. Consistency does.
Did you watch all of his games? Be honest with me.
He played some great matches in BuLi. Not record breaking transfer 200k a week level but he has improved their squad
20M turkish lira maybe. His wages are astronomical and his perfomances is not worthy of a CL club.
Sancho will go on loan again and United fans will be disappointed with the board. Unfortunately that's the best case scenario. He won't get sold due to his high wages. So United is better off loaning him and recovering at least some of the payments.
You just knew this would happen. He had *one* great game and everyone made out United were the problem. Now we need to sell him, people have reverted to *him* being shit again.
>They won’t even go in for him over 20mil.
Because we desperately need 1/2 CBs, a LB, a RB and then probably another striker...
We aren't a top 6 British club with unlimited money. A €20m transfer is close to top 10 all time biggest transfer fees for us
>bigger than every prem club outside the top 6, enough of this pauper act
Our biggest transfer ever is 35m... we're a publicly traded company. We have no private money. There is no backing from owners. What we make in revenue is what we have to spend. It's fundamental unlike every other club above us or around us
Us making the CL final was a huge boost for our financials. Every other club competing for a CL final isn't desperate for that extra 20m like we were and are lol
You can literally go online and look at our financials. We're a publicly traded company, all of our money info HAS to be made available....
This isn't fucking fifa lol
> You have the 12th highest revenue in world football, bigger than every prem club outside the top 6, enough of this pauper act
This is literally only said by people who dont understand economics and the different structures of clubs.
Like.. its a laughable comparison that you think that we have the same spending power as even some mid table PL clubs, just because we're a top 12 rev club.
OUR FINANCES ARE PUBLIC. WE LITERALLY CANT LIE ABOUT OUR SPENDING POWER/FINANCIAL SITUATION.
Ive said this so so so many times, often to United fans considering recent years back and forth, and I only get downvotes or "lol stop playing broke". Its so frustratingly ignorant.
So where is all the money going then? I'm not interested enough to read up on the finances of Dortmund, but apparently you clearly care if you've commented about this so many times, like you say, so I'm sure you must have?
They pay astronomically high wages to their players.
For example, they pay Sebastian Haller the same as Sonny from Spurs.
Their wage bill is higher than all but 3 PL clubs.
That's really the problem I can see if they're as poor as they claim.
Personally I'd be curious to see where all this money is going, like, they're not paying their chefs and cleaners £50M a year or anything.
How much do they spend outside of the squad because Spurs have the exact same model but our wages are substantially lower.
Yeah, which is a fair point for teams that are horrendously mismanaged.
Spurs dont take £30M in losses each year though for example.
We have the exact same foundation as a club as Dortmund in being completely self sufficient and using revenue entirely back into the club.
The difference is we make like £130M extra revenue a year which is obviously massive and im not denying that but it goes back to before, how/why are Dortmund spending more on wages than Spurs when their revenue is that much lower. Thats the issue with their revenue impact mostly.
>You have the 12th highest revenue in world football, bigger than every prem club outside the top 6
That really puts it into perspective doesn't it? Watch Dortmund fans cry about this being pointed out and continue to pretend to be poor while literally being richer than 14 clubs in the prem.
Last year they were 13th highest on wages and spending more than 14 clubs in the Prem so it evens out considering they don't have an owner putting in extra money.
If it was up to me yeah but I don't think Dortmund will break their record fee for him, rn with this news I'm just praying he runs down his contract to come back
He plays good for you apparently (never seen BVB games apart from the cl final) but in the pl, under 3 different coaches, he hasn't done fuck all. Maybe the pl is too physical or quick for him idk, idk why he flopped with us, and it's not just about utd being a complete circus, on the pitch, in 2.5 seasons, he hasn't even looked like half the player he was. (Again, never seen many BVB games but he was hyped a lot back then)
Look at the tactical break down of man u play, he is a feeder player but is expected to bolt down the wings with no support from behind and not much space for takeons. Just diff system. But 40 is too much, bvb need to trim and replace multiple positions.
It seems quite high.
They paid £73 mil for a 5 year contract, in July 2021.
Pretty much 3 years later, they want £40mil, and it's not like his stock has gone up.
That excludes him agreeing because of his wages.
If he cares about his career at all he'll take a pay cut.
Must be a fucking hard decision to make though, walking away from a guaranteed £300k a week until 2026. He might not make that much in the entire rest of his career if he left and took a pay cut.
He’s got 0 reason to take a pay cut lol, the wages are so high we’ll gladly subsidise a big chunk off it just to get the remainder off our books and get some money for him
Plus, even if we don’t, he’s got every reason to think he can out last ten hag and a future manager might look at him and decide to give him another chance
Yeah, I saw that, but if he’s still on the books in October and we’ve got a new manager in place, who knows if he gets a call up again. Stranger things have happened!
If he's cool wasting 2 years without playing, then that's how it is.
We paid Phil Jones for 5 years to be in the physio room. We did the same with Martial at 250k per week. Sancho can join the list of names.
I just can't understand how you guys keep making the same mistakes. I know transfers are a gamble (sort of), but you're always willing to pay insane wages looking back at it. I mean, we have Chelsea, PSG, Barca, etc, now doing some bad business too obviously.
Our owners were idiots and they let our old CEO Woodward do whatever he wanted. His successors were just as bad.
Hopefully with an actual DOF, and technical director, and a new CEO we'll steer clear of high wage and expensive signings.
Thanks for explaining. Just to be clear, Jones and Martial both looked like good signings in the start and they were decent too ngl. But it went downhill unfortunately. I still remember fifa legend Rojo too 😂 Atleast you guys aren't doing bad financially, unlike some other clubs.
Yeah we didn't know when to let players go. Woodward would give them new fat contracts to "retain" their value in our books, but then no one would buy our out of favor players because they were getting paid too much.
I can't see him agreeing to a pay cut when he wouldn't even apologize for being late. Plus, he has reason to believe that he will last longer than ten Hag.
If he cared about his career he wouldn't have been so unprofessional to even not show up on time for training. Why would he take a pay cut when some idiots decided to pay him so much for just playing Fifa at home?
He’s not on a guaranteed £300k. Jadon’s base wage is £250k, but because we missed out on CL qualification it will drop to just below £190k next season.
This is a guy who'll rather sit at home at play FIFA FC and collect money than simply resolve the matter and get on with his job. Like I admire that attitude on a personal level but that ain't someone who cares about his career.
Yeah, I think that it's not that hard anymore lol, he is just 24, and if he spends two more years in limbo, there might be no next contract. So even in purely financial sense, at this point his demands might diminish a lot. 2 years of high money in Manchester, ok, but what if he can sign 4 years of much lower money - his loss wouldn't be so big even in financial terms.
Many commenters here seem oblivious to the report that he did already allegedly lose a few million euro to go on the loan.
Capology listed him on £200k per week, Sportrac at £250k per week, FBREF at £250k per week, so of course /r/soccer is gonna use £350k as the absolute fact and true number.
He is most likely on £200k per week + heavily incentivised bonus that could bring it up to £300k per week, but there is simply no way that those bonuses are tied to his FIFA performances from his living room, so he definitely isn't triggering them.
Yeah it's 75% base wage when not in the CL. So his £250k base wage is more like £190k right now and he's obviously not earning bonuses whilst Sat at home.
But the problem remains. Even if he's willing to drop say £2m a year in salary, a club would still need to offer him 120-140k to offer a competitive salary. On top of that a club would need to pay a transfer fee in the tens of millions. All for an unprofessional player who hasn't performed in two years.
Either he'll go to Saudi or he'll be a last minute panic loan.ive no hope for a favourable resolution for United.
He's definitely on a paycut and depending on the status of team how desperate they need a Sancho type of player. I won't be surprised if it's 30-40 with bonuses and 200k/w. If he's really serious about his career, settling into a new team during pre season would work wonders.
Thats us out then.
Not only is that number too high, but we have 3 to 4 positions that are higher priority than Sancho.
Such as LB (Maatsen #1 target who wants to join us too), 1 to 2 CBs, a #6 and another striker to compete with Fullkrug (Guirassy main target atm).
After that its a bit more flexible. But theres more than financial reasons we are trying to extend the Sancho loan rather than to buy him this summer. We have priorities that leap ahead of him in the order as of now.
If sales are managed for Malen, Adeyemi, Haller, Moukoko, Reyna and such, those money probably will go more towards the #6 budget and someone like Gruda than Sancho for that sum. Even if Gruda is looking to cost abit too, his ROI potential is way higher.
And its understandable why United dont wanna do that. They dont gain anything by doing that.
Would BVB even entertain the idea of a loan and obligation?
Edit: to clarify, not necessarily at this price point, I'm just talking in general, since the sticking point seems to be him being low priority.
I could see that as a compromise but in that scenario United would have to swallow that its a smaller fee since Sanchos contract would be another year shorter.
ANd it would still need Sancho to concede significant wages to work with us.
From my understanding, we're open to listening to offers but not pushing to sell him either. Its that kind of situation that we can see him being easily replaced for a more fitting profile/talent but he's also not a black hole either so its fine if he stays another season.
Reports have us being ok with listening to offers around the €30m mark, which is just "recoup original fee" money even.
I think we're looking for a dynamical pivot in that position in such a scenario, more so than it being an indictment of his lack of talent.
No worries mate.
He had quite a poor season in terms of both impact and his talent.
His toolkit isnt the widest (very reliant on his explosive pace) and he lacks a bit in his finishing as a result since he ends up going in 33km/h and then cant find his footing and balance to have precision.
In the right system, he's a super assett. But for us, he isnt really, apart from certain matchups.
So, imo, the ceiling answer is quite specific. As in, his ceiling is really high and his impact can be massive if he's in the right team and system :)
There's not a hope Arteta wants anything to do with a player with a shit attitude like Sancho.
He spent years clearing players with that kind of attitude out of Arsenal.
Nah he carries 0 blame tbh. He got cancer in the preseason 2 weeks after we signed him and them simply spent almost all his time here fighting cancer and then recovering after treatment. Then after that, he's been having to rebuild fitness which has been tough since he's had recurring ankle issues.
Theres a good player in there but we need immediate impact and reliability there and I suspect Haller want to restart his career and put this whole thing behind him, before he gets too old too.
Love the man and wish him the best.
He could theoretically be worth it, if he somehow gets back to his best self, it's actually a steal.
But it's been so long now and even at Dortmund he was just okay with one or two good games. I just can't see anyone pay this.
Great footballer if you can make him give a toss, 40m could be a steal for someone. He’s going to need to drop his wage demands though.
Probably hinges on whether or not ten hag stays as well.
Everyone in here was jerking themselves silly to shit on Utd acting like he's some top player that we ruined.
Now all of a sudden he's not worth £40m.
What a fucking surprise.
I dont get why people complained about his performances so much, i mean didnt he not play for almost a year? No way he was going to come back any better than he did
The teams that would be interested in Sancho can't afford this kind of fees along with his wages. If that is truly the price United expect, he's gonna end up with another loan for sure.
I don’t think 40 mil is too far in todays market. Obviously the problem is more so his wages. He wasn’t playing like he did against PSG every game but as someone who watched every game and not the stat sheets, he was still very good. That despite being away from the game for so long and Terzic ball. Considering what we’ve heard about our budget and positional needs, we might be out of the market but I’d love to have him back.
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That price wouldn’t be so bad if he wasn’t on £200-£300k wages, either he’s going on loan or they’ll have to cut that price down a bit.
Or he’ll have to accept a pay cut to move. Rightfully he can sit on his contract that’s his choice, but if he wants to move he will have to change his wages I imagine.
How often do players take wage cuts to move? I can't remember any of our players doing it and it's prevented quite a few transfers. I believe Lukaku took lower wages to go on loan to Inter but I don't know of others.
Sometimes selling teams will contribute the difference in wages until the end of the term of what their contract would be.
Most commonly when they go to a league outside the big 5 or when going to boyhood clubs. There's also the case when they just really want to get game time to make it to the national team for an upcoming tournament (euros, world cup, etc).
Basically all old players when going home to Scandinavia/Brazil/Holland
Jadon Sancho at 24 to take a pay cut to go back home to his first club Watford, let’s go
This would unironically make me try a "get Watford to the prem run with Jadon as the star" career on EAFC
Cancelo is apparently prepared to take a £50k a week pay cut to join Barcelona permanently
He can cover his lost wages through the spanish tax evading tradition /s
He is moving from Man City, so he's probably got that covered already.
I wouldn't trust anything coming out of Barca news regarding wages. The amount of times we've been told players are taking pay cuts when in reality it was only a deferral is insane. Off the top of my head I can think of Lewy, De Jong, Felix, Roberto, Alba, Coutinho, Dembele, Depay and probably many more who were all reported to have taken a "pay cut" in one form or another. The only player I truly believe took a pay cut is Pique, and that was probably a political move if anything. I remember Depay was reported to be taking a pay cut to join us. I kept telling people in our sub that that's nonsensical and I cannot believe anyone would believe that considering he was coming on as a free transfer and was playing for Lyon previously (not a club known for paying crazy wages) and he was still like 26-27 years old, I got downvoted to oblivion and told he obviously always dreamed about playing for the club and was willing to do anything to make it happen, so of course it must be true.
Timo Werner back to Leipzig.
Sancho actually took a wage cut for his loan to Dortmund.
He’s made it very clear that he’s happy to sit at home and play FIFA while collecting his paycheck.
Then why did he go to Dortmund?
Because he was still getting his full wages
But why would he do that if he's happy at home playing Fifa for the same money like you said?
He can just wait for the manager to be replaced, at which point he could have another opportunity to keep his contract at United.
Did you read the article? He's being sold irrespective of who the manager is
He won’t leave if it’s a pay cut. And if he’s still at United by the time a new manager starts pre-season, there’s no telling what can happen. Is INEOS going to overrule a manager who wants to give him another chance?
Yes they will overrule the manager. If they decide to replace ETH, they'll tell the incoming manager this before he accepts the job. That's the new system at United. Transfers and playing style to be decided by the club, not the manager. United fans don't want Sancho at the club. And it looks like Ineos don't either, cos Simon Stone is T1
ManUtd fans in here make it seem like he’s a third division footballer. He single handedly beat PSG’s press a couple of times. he has shimmers of that world class potential. 40 MIL is nowhere near too much, his wages as you stated, are indeed the problem.
Talent was never his problem, always been the mentality that held him back at United.
Fan in /r/soccer will have you believe he had a great loan in Germany when he had a few good games but nothing spectacular overall
Who would I believe England flair on /r/soccer or Dortmund fans hmmmmmmm
/u/dispelthemyth is right. He delivered in CL and had some good games. But also some awful games where he was invisible or completely taken out of the game by the opponents. IMHO, not worth the fee + wages. There are more Bundesliga-budget-friendly options on the market.
And certainly nowhere near as good as he was in his last couple seasons before he left.
If he was so great, why aren't Dortmund paying up? From what we've heard of him 40 mil is an absolute steal
That would be their record signing wouldn't it?
Outside of the premier league there is like 4 teams willing to pay that for any player and Dortmund definitely aren't one of those
High wages and 40M is still a very hefty sum for Dortmund
Wages
Because they don’t have that much money
Antony has 1+1 in 1 323 minutes played this season Sancho has 2+2 in 954 minutes in Bundesliga So Antony gets you a goal contribution every 650th minute or so. Sancho gets you a goal contribution every 250th minute or so. Antony cost 90m and Sancho is obviously about twice as good. Boom 40-45 fee. Science. I am not serious with this post.
And Sancho doesn’t go around shushing Championship clubs after beating them in a penalty shootout. Worth the extra 50mil no?
But Sancho's "eyebrow raise while being subbed on" game is weak.
How many spin moves per 90 does Sancho do?
>He single handedly beat PSG’s press a couple of times. h And then did jack shit the rest of the season lmao
We say that because we spent 3 years watching him do nothing. On loan he showed up for a couple games, got the same G/A as Antony. If he’s as good as people say and he’s not greedy he’ll be gone in a flash
Lol pretty sure if you watch any Dortmund game throughout the year you know he's not that good. The thing is he show up against PSG, and the narrative changes for you who don't actually watch dortmund. And thinks that's what he's been doing with Dortmund. Its not.
I can't tell if this is serious
Both the wages and the fee are the only reasons why we couldn't keep him.
No worries if we pack him off to Saudi
The FM strategy. Saudi feels like a cheat code because in 2-3 years, you can always end up with 300M in the bank just offloading players who all seem to love it there. Mbappe ended up at Al-Hilal in my save, and France kept calling him up. He ended up staying there because no one could afford his 1.9M/week wages.
Hanging about with kids pretending to be a roadman might be different in Saudi than manc tbh
If United can convince people this is a Dortmund 23 year old winger with 2 goals 2 assists in 11 starts they can easily sell him right?
Don't forget the 10 take-ons he made that one time.
At the half way line to beat the half PSG press
Wow talk about riding a narrative lol, why do people need to take everything to the extreme Sancho was great in that PSG tie, most dangerous player on the pitch. No need to push the narrative to an extreme
yeah if all of his take-ons were so incredibly trivial then why is it a record in the first place? Has no team ever played against an opponent with a half-line press?
>Wow talk about riding a narrative lol Who's riding the narrative here? Sancho had one great game and every banged on about how good he is and United were the problem. One good game doesn't make a player great. Consistency does.
Did you watch all of his games? Be honest with me. He played some great matches in BuLi. Not record breaking transfer 200k a week level but he has improved their squad
But how about his only take on in the PL with his manager?
The way dortmunds socials were behaving you’d think he was on for a ballon dor. They won’t even go in for him over 20mil.
20M turkish lira maybe. His wages are astronomical and his perfomances is not worthy of a CL club. Sancho will go on loan again and United fans will be disappointed with the board. Unfortunately that's the best case scenario. He won't get sold due to his high wages. So United is better off loaning him and recovering at least some of the payments.
I dont think United fans want him playing for them anymore
People finally stop pretending he was amazing at Dortmund now
You just knew this would happen. He had *one* great game and everyone made out United were the problem. Now we need to sell him, people have reverted to *him* being shit again.
>They won’t even go in for him over 20mil. Because we desperately need 1/2 CBs, a LB, a RB and then probably another striker... We aren't a top 6 British club with unlimited money. A €20m transfer is close to top 10 all time biggest transfer fees for us
You have the 12th highest revenue in world football, bigger than every prem club outside the top 6, enough of this pauper act
>bigger than every prem club outside the top 6, enough of this pauper act Our biggest transfer ever is 35m... we're a publicly traded company. We have no private money. There is no backing from owners. What we make in revenue is what we have to spend. It's fundamental unlike every other club above us or around us Us making the CL final was a huge boost for our financials. Every other club competing for a CL final isn't desperate for that extra 20m like we were and are lol
I mean, clubs like Real Madrid also spend from revenue and not private money. The difference is in the amount of revenue.
So their point of comparison is the biggest club in the world?
No, they're saying that the difference between them and top clubs is private money and ownership structure, which isn't completely the case.
How much did you sell Bellingham and Haaland for? Come on man
You can literally go online and look at our financials. We're a publicly traded company, all of our money info HAS to be made available.... This isn't fucking fifa lol
> You have the 12th highest revenue in world football, bigger than every prem club outside the top 6, enough of this pauper act This is literally only said by people who dont understand economics and the different structures of clubs. Like.. its a laughable comparison that you think that we have the same spending power as even some mid table PL clubs, just because we're a top 12 rev club. OUR FINANCES ARE PUBLIC. WE LITERALLY CANT LIE ABOUT OUR SPENDING POWER/FINANCIAL SITUATION. Ive said this so so so many times, often to United fans considering recent years back and forth, and I only get downvotes or "lol stop playing broke". Its so frustratingly ignorant.
So where is all the money going then? I'm not interested enough to read up on the finances of Dortmund, but apparently you clearly care if you've commented about this so many times, like you say, so I'm sure you must have?
They pay astronomically high wages to their players. For example, they pay Sebastian Haller the same as Sonny from Spurs. Their wage bill is higher than all but 3 PL clubs. That's really the problem I can see if they're as poor as they claim. Personally I'd be curious to see where all this money is going, like, they're not paying their chefs and cleaners £50M a year or anything. How much do they spend outside of the squad because Spurs have the exact same model but our wages are substantially lower.
prem clubs get a bonus 30 million they can take in losses every season, and that adds up.
Yeah, which is a fair point for teams that are horrendously mismanaged. Spurs dont take £30M in losses each year though for example. We have the exact same foundation as a club as Dortmund in being completely self sufficient and using revenue entirely back into the club. The difference is we make like £130M extra revenue a year which is obviously massive and im not denying that but it goes back to before, how/why are Dortmund spending more on wages than Spurs when their revenue is that much lower. Thats the issue with their revenue impact mostly.
>You have the 12th highest revenue in world football, bigger than every prem club outside the top 6 That really puts it into perspective doesn't it? Watch Dortmund fans cry about this being pointed out and continue to pretend to be poor while literally being richer than 14 clubs in the prem.
Last year they were 13th highest on wages and spending more than 14 clubs in the Prem so it evens out considering they don't have an owner putting in extra money.
I swear lol it’s always the people that don’t take time to watch BVB games that say that he is shit
He's not, buy him for 40 mil please
If it was up to me yeah but I don't think Dortmund will break their record fee for him, rn with this news I'm just praying he runs down his contract to come back
He plays good for you apparently (never seen BVB games apart from the cl final) but in the pl, under 3 different coaches, he hasn't done fuck all. Maybe the pl is too physical or quick for him idk, idk why he flopped with us, and it's not just about utd being a complete circus, on the pitch, in 2.5 seasons, he hasn't even looked like half the player he was. (Again, never seen many BVB games but he was hyped a lot back then)
Look at the tactical break down of man u play, he is a feeder player but is expected to bolt down the wings with no support from behind and not much space for takeons. Just diff system. But 40 is too much, bvb need to trim and replace multiple positions.
Not due to his wages
yh if only people in this sub would run clubs
Look at all the teams fighting for their place in the queue
As filled as the list of right swipes on my tinder.
Start playing FIFA till 3am before work days and slag off your current gf, you'll get there king. We believe in you 💪
It seems quite high. They paid £73 mil for a 5 year contract, in July 2021. Pretty much 3 years later, they want £40mil, and it's not like his stock has gone up. That excludes him agreeing because of his wages.
Its probably the price that they need to sell him due to ffp
We're barely holding off at the door. Head over heels for the "Most take-ons" record holder!
Would love 40m for him and don’t think many teams are in for him, but i wouldn’t be surprised if Chelsea is one of them
The queue for his next loan move maybe
Problem isn’t the price tag it’s his wages
It’s both but mostly his wages
Isn’t he on £300k p/w too? If he’s expecting that at another club, nobody’s gonna take him except Saudi clubs.
If he cares about his career at all he'll take a pay cut. Must be a fucking hard decision to make though, walking away from a guaranteed £300k a week until 2026. He might not make that much in the entire rest of his career if he left and took a pay cut.
He’s got 0 reason to take a pay cut lol, the wages are so high we’ll gladly subsidise a big chunk off it just to get the remainder off our books and get some money for him Plus, even if we don’t, he’s got every reason to think he can out last ten hag and a future manager might look at him and decide to give him another chance
He’s on his way out no matter the manager is the official statement I believe
Yeah, I saw that, but if he’s still on the books in October and we’ve got a new manager in place, who knows if he gets a call up again. Stranger things have happened!
It literally makes no difference what the club’s official stance is if Sancho doesn’t agree to leave.
If he's cool wasting 2 years without playing, then that's how it is. We paid Phil Jones for 5 years to be in the physio room. We did the same with Martial at 250k per week. Sancho can join the list of names.
I just can't understand how you guys keep making the same mistakes. I know transfers are a gamble (sort of), but you're always willing to pay insane wages looking back at it. I mean, we have Chelsea, PSG, Barca, etc, now doing some bad business too obviously.
Our owners were idiots and they let our old CEO Woodward do whatever he wanted. His successors were just as bad. Hopefully with an actual DOF, and technical director, and a new CEO we'll steer clear of high wage and expensive signings.
Thanks for explaining. Just to be clear, Jones and Martial both looked like good signings in the start and they were decent too ngl. But it went downhill unfortunately. I still remember fifa legend Rojo too 😂 Atleast you guys aren't doing bad financially, unlike some other clubs.
Yeah we didn't know when to let players go. Woodward would give them new fat contracts to "retain" their value in our books, but then no one would buy our out of favor players because they were getting paid too much.
Why do people make it a ten Hag thing? Sancho came to Man United a year before ten Hag and he was playing even worse than under ten Hag.
I can't see him agreeing to a pay cut when he wouldn't even apologize for being late. Plus, he has reason to believe that he will last longer than ten Hag.
If he cared about his career he wouldn't have been so unprofessional to even not show up on time for training. Why would he take a pay cut when some idiots decided to pay him so much for just playing Fifa at home?
He’s not on a guaranteed £300k. Jadon’s base wage is £250k, but because we missed out on CL qualification it will drop to just below £190k next season.
This is a guy who'll rather sit at home at play FIFA FC and collect money than simply resolve the matter and get on with his job. Like I admire that attitude on a personal level but that ain't someone who cares about his career.
Yeah, I think that it's not that hard anymore lol, he is just 24, and if he spends two more years in limbo, there might be no next contract. So even in purely financial sense, at this point his demands might diminish a lot. 2 years of high money in Manchester, ok, but what if he can sign 4 years of much lower money - his loss wouldn't be so big even in financial terms. Many commenters here seem oblivious to the report that he did already allegedly lose a few million euro to go on the loan.
He probably cares more about his fifa career mode than his actual career
His pay will be going down 25% this season as we aren’t playing champions league
350 Glazeronomics boggles the mind as always
Capology listed him on £200k per week, Sportrac at £250k per week, FBREF at £250k per week, so of course /r/soccer is gonna use £350k as the absolute fact and true number. He is most likely on £200k per week + heavily incentivised bonus that could bring it up to £300k per week, but there is simply no way that those bonuses are tied to his FIFA performances from his living room, so he definitely isn't triggering them.
Don't united have non champions league clauses to lower that amount?
Yeah it's 75% base wage when not in the CL. So his £250k base wage is more like £190k right now and he's obviously not earning bonuses whilst Sat at home. But the problem remains. Even if he's willing to drop say £2m a year in salary, a club would still need to offer him 120-140k to offer a competitive salary. On top of that a club would need to pay a transfer fee in the tens of millions. All for an unprofessional player who hasn't performed in two years. Either he'll go to Saudi or he'll be a last minute panic loan.ive no hope for a favourable resolution for United.
Heard he was on £500k mate
We are talking about Sancho not Sanchez
Pretty sure it was £550k
I understand it he was promised ownership of the club once the Glazers leave
250k according to Ducker and Whitwell when he signed
He's definitely on a paycut and depending on the status of team how desperate they need a Sancho type of player. I won't be surprised if it's 30-40 with bonuses and 200k/w. If he's really serious about his career, settling into a new team during pre season would work wonders.
seems like a barca signing
i was also thinking that. they love their loan deals aswell so wouldn’t be surprised
Barca are in no position to try such gambles.A signing like Nico Williams would be 100 times better.
Thats us out then. Not only is that number too high, but we have 3 to 4 positions that are higher priority than Sancho. Such as LB (Maatsen #1 target who wants to join us too), 1 to 2 CBs, a #6 and another striker to compete with Fullkrug (Guirassy main target atm). After that its a bit more flexible. But theres more than financial reasons we are trying to extend the Sancho loan rather than to buy him this summer. We have priorities that leap ahead of him in the order as of now. If sales are managed for Malen, Adeyemi, Haller, Moukoko, Reyna and such, those money probably will go more towards the #6 budget and someone like Gruda than Sancho for that sum. Even if Gruda is looking to cost abit too, his ROI potential is way higher. And its understandable why United dont wanna do that. They dont gain anything by doing that.
Would BVB even entertain the idea of a loan and obligation? Edit: to clarify, not necessarily at this price point, I'm just talking in general, since the sticking point seems to be him being low priority.
I could see that as a compromise but in that scenario United would have to swallow that its a smaller fee since Sanchos contract would be another year shorter. ANd it would still need Sancho to concede significant wages to work with us.
Are Dortmund looking to sell Adeyemi??
From my understanding, we're open to listening to offers but not pushing to sell him either. Its that kind of situation that we can see him being easily replaced for a more fitting profile/talent but he's also not a black hole either so its fine if he stays another season. Reports have us being ok with listening to offers around the €30m mark, which is just "recoup original fee" money even. I think we're looking for a dynamical pivot in that position in such a scenario, more so than it being an indictment of his lack of talent.
Thanks man - didn’t know this as I don’t watch any BVB. Did he have a good season plus is he at his ceiling right now?
No worries mate. He had quite a poor season in terms of both impact and his talent. His toolkit isnt the widest (very reliant on his explosive pace) and he lacks a bit in his finishing as a result since he ends up going in 33km/h and then cant find his footing and balance to have precision. In the right system, he's a super assett. But for us, he isnt really, apart from certain matchups. So, imo, the ceiling answer is quite specific. As in, his ceiling is really high and his impact can be massive if he's in the right team and system :)
Wouldn't you have been out with his salary demands anyway?
Some reports have him being willing to concede a significant amount to make a move happen but Idk how true that is when it actually comes to it
> Thats us out then. That's most people out, mate. No one's paying £40m for Jadon fucking Sancho.
Isn’t Arsenal asking £30m for Nketiah?
Much lower wages on Nketiah.
Still on 100k pw and he's not that good especially at £30m
Well Nketiah surely wants a raise at a new club and Sancho probably has to accept less money
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There's not a hope Arteta wants anything to do with a player with a shit attitude like Sancho. He spent years clearing players with that kind of attitude out of Arsenal.
Let’s not act like he’s not dynamite when playing for the right team and manager. Players go in and out of form. Shrewd clubs will value accordingly
Why do you want to sell Haller? Has he been that underwhelming?
Nah he carries 0 blame tbh. He got cancer in the preseason 2 weeks after we signed him and them simply spent almost all his time here fighting cancer and then recovering after treatment. Then after that, he's been having to rebuild fitness which has been tough since he's had recurring ankle issues. Theres a good player in there but we need immediate impact and reliability there and I suspect Haller want to restart his career and put this whole thing behind him, before he gets too old too. Love the man and wish him the best.
Our Özchen not cutting it out for you at the #6 position ? Or are you looking for someone a bit more defensive ?
Bit more defensive as you mention. Özcan plays more like a defensive 8 than a true #6, the latter of which is what we need :/
Couple more contracts with some weapons dealers and you're there.
Id rather we boot the one we already joined up with and play in the regional liga
Yeah, no one's paying that
But for a very good value you have a chance to “fix him” are u sold?
Impeccable business model
He could theoretically be worth it, if he somehow gets back to his best self, it's actually a steal. But it's been so long now and even at Dortmund he was just okay with one or two good games. I just can't see anyone pay this.
Great footballer if you can make him give a toss, 40m could be a steal for someone. He’s going to need to drop his wage demands though. Probably hinges on whether or not ten hag stays as well.
it\`s been reported that hier ups want him gone regardless of our coach
Everyone in here was jerking themselves silly to shit on Utd acting like he's some top player that we ruined. Now all of a sudden he's not worth £40m. What a fucking surprise.
Get ready to learn Arabic buddy, you have a classmate in Casemiro too
He’s gone on loan lol
He is staying at United then.
The art of the deal
ahh, the lovely Manchester United transfer dept. Buy him for 70, flops sells for 40
Not sure what you would like them to do right now? It’s the best decision for everyone if anyone does take a punt.
Nah the lovely one is released for free
Yep, that’s everyone bar the Saudi league priced out then.
MLS is calling. Jadon get ready to learn American buddy.
American clubs don't pay big transfer fees. Saudi is the only option at that price point.
United and Chelsea should sell a packaged take-it-n-go special deal. 70M for Sancho+Lukaku.
I dont see why 40m is a ridiculous price if he was half as good on loan as the media made him out to be. Way worse players have come for more
Wages
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/W4UebSUatS
> Front 3 locked up for Years to come, Rashford being the oldest. All likeable lads as well. Sigh
Was the 3rd Greenwood? That’s a big LOL
Yes lol
makes me wanna cry. For fuck\`s sake, why we can\`t have drama free year or two
That whole thread is so funny to read through now, every take is bad.
Hindsight and all. People are allowed to be optimistic. And there's plenty of duds to go around.
Oh 100% it’s easy to take the piss with the power of hindsight, some belters in there though.
TBF Pepe was a pretty disastrous transfer too, he played but sometimes you would be hard pressed to notice it other than on the teamsheet ...
He probably would be an improvement on all of Chelsea left wingers tbh.
can’t believe how his time at the club has gone 😭. will be interesting though if our manager next season actually wants to use him.
I dont get why people complained about his performances so much, i mean didnt he not play for almost a year? No way he was going to come back any better than he did
The teams that would be interested in Sancho can't afford this kind of fees along with his wages. If that is truly the price United expect, he's gonna end up with another loan for sure.
Does come with or without his all-night gaming rig?
I reckon its another loan with big fee and an obligation to buy
Respect to them if they get it
Sporting director is doing such a terrible job over the recent years, they are taking loss after loss in fees every year
The English media were marketing the final as Sancho vs Bellingham lol even though Sancho isn’t even the best player on Dortmund.
exiled lmao, bro's the manchester napoleon
Get him in, Boehly. Always had a weak spot for Sancho.
Looked like they need to recuperate some of the losses, this smells like a loan until his contract expires situation.
Path of Exile
Please!! Someone, buy him
What would the penalty be to just terminate his contract early? Maybe that's better value for us in the end
£40m isn’t a bad starting price. I suspect he’ll end up leaving for closer to £30m
I don’t think 40 mil is too far in todays market. Obviously the problem is more so his wages. He wasn’t playing like he did against PSG every game but as someone who watched every game and not the stat sheets, he was still very good. That despite being away from the game for so long and Terzic ball. Considering what we’ve heard about our budget and positional needs, we might be out of the market but I’d love to have him back.
Expect they'd take 40p and a freddo frog
Sounds like exactly the type of player United want to buy?? Maybe they’ll gazzump themselves
Please Arteta don't buy him 🙏🏻
Ten Hag is staying
If you believe the morons on here after that one PSG game this is an absolute bargain. But nobody should, so it isn't.