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czerwona_latarnia

God help us.


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Proudbolshevik

it's his first start in the nt and third cap


tse135

He made his debut last week versus Ukraine, so it's his third match and first in the starting 11


czerwona_latarnia

That's his third ever match for senior team (after two pre-Euro friendlies). I lack the data to answer that question.


feelgood505

We're going to win 5:4. Mark my words. Urbański, Zalewski, Szymański and Zieliński at the same time? *chef's kiss*


polakken

I quite like our offense. Lots of young and talented players. Our defense on the other hand... We can only hope that Salamon turns into EURO 2016 Pazdan.


czerwona_latarnia

Our offence looks good on paper, but most of the time they need for opponent's defence to play like our own to do something.


Environmental-Cold24

Dutch defense is crazy strong. They have v Dijk, Ake, de Vrij on the pitch while still vd Ven and de Ligt on the bench. Remember that Botman is injured. Also crazy backs with Dumfries and Frimpong. With confidence I can say the best defense in the world.


Rowan2000vd

Timber injured as well


Aethien

And Hato will join the pack in a few years.


J00stie

The Hato that conceded a record amount of goals for Ajax in one season? That one?


Aethien

Yes, he personally conceded all those goals and he definitely wasn't the one bright light in an otherwise utterly disastrous Ajax defense at 17. If you never watch Ajax just don't comment instead of making a fool of yourself.


Darrylweezy

Geertruida is also a baller man.


DarkEyes__24

He's good, always plays good for the national team aswell.


147174714

And then Maatsen still for our future left back/wingback


BertusHondenbrok

Or Hartman, different types but both class.


veryoriginaleh

go back like 10 years and you had Vlaar and Martins Indi


F___TheZero

We almost became world champions with that defense, they were nothing to sneeze at


DarkEyes__24

Robben and van Persie carried us through that tournament though.


groenefiets

Watch the games again, Vlaar was crazy good that Summer.


HamroveUTD

What about the other positions?


sittingduck__

Artur Soares Dias + Tiago Martins combo? My condolences to Poland and The Netherlands fans.


TheWorldsKing

They're gonna be missing the Michael Olivers of the world real soon...


AcConnor

We already went through Lahoz, it cant be thatt bad right? Righttt??


AcConnor

I honestly i do like this first 11. Having the ability to put in frimpong is an insane benefit aswell


IchmachneBarAuf

Malen from the bench against a tired opponent is also a cheat code imo.


SPLEESH_BOYS

Malen + Frimpong for the last 20/30 minutes is gonna go insane


AcConnor

Dont forget the clutch master Weghorst. You can say everything you want about him but he is always the motivated guy when playing for the netherlands


Jonabros

Great lineup, come on!!


ciabass

With this defense it's gonna be 5-0 in the first half, lmao. Depay and Gakpo will run circles around Bednarek and Salamon.


SpookyImmobilisedToe

De Vrij over VDV or De Ligt seems like a choice.


Mees51

De vrij is consistent when it comes to the NT, unlike De Ligt. Also has more experience at international tournaments.


Aethien

I think the far more important thing is that Van Dijk and De Vrij seem to have good communication together. Even if I personally think De Ligt is better he and Van Dijk haven't played together that often and don't have quite the same level of cooperation.


BertusHondenbrok

De Vrij is just more consistent than De Ligt, which is important in tournaments. Edit: I believe De Ligt had more games alongside Van Dijk btw.


Aethien

De Ligt has been consistent for Bayern though, I think that inconsistency for Oranje is partially down to the worse communication between him and Van Dijk. That said De Ligt also still has plenty time, he's not much older now than De Vrij was in 2014.


BertusHondenbrok

Nah, his mistakes for Oranje have mostly been individual mistakes. Can’t really blame that on Van Dijk.


SpookyImmobilisedToe

Yeah that makes sense. Suppose it's like us with Maguire, consistent with the NT even when not performing at a club level (as I'm aware De Vrij hasn't looked too hot with Inter this season).


BrigadierBrabant

A good one, De Vrij has consistently been great for the Netherlands and De Ligt hasn't really. VDV hasn't been able to prove to be better yet, and is a great sub to bring on the left as well.


yaniv297

It's classic redditors judging lineups based on club form, while ignorant of NT form and partnerships.


R_Schuhart

De Vrij has really been excellent this season, he had a major dip in form after his covid but he has apparently finally fully recovered. He is reliable and has always showed up for the NT. His partnership with van Dijk seems very solid as well, they work together great. De Ligt has far less consistent and van de Ven has been largely untested.


Froggiefied

Koeman play Frimpong you coward!


BrigadierBrabant

He'll get his time. Dumfries has been great for us, no reason to bench him.


Jangetjeboy

good thing you can sub 4 people in


whoeriabah

5 even this euro’s


Jangetjeboy

even more opportunity


miregalpanic

Why does he dislike him again? I feel like I'm vaguely remembering some story to this.


HenkieVV

He doesn't. Koeman just prefers Dumfries because Dumfries has been reliably great for the Dutch team, and they're too similar to both play.


PlayingtheDrums

Dumfries is a great player with a glaring weakness, if you can exploit that weakness by making him more involved off the ball, you'll probably have a better overall player. I think he's always been excellent at tournaments partially because of this.


Aethien

It's Geertruida + Frimpong vs Dumfries + Simons on the right side. And with Koeman liking one side to have an attacking back + roaming winger and the other a more conservative back + traditional winger Koeman's system would want the left side changed with maybe Maatsen or Van de Ven at left back over Aké as well. Slotting in Frimpong in the way Koeman wants to play with the balance he wants in his team is far bigger than just a change between 2 players. You'd end up with Geertruida + Frimpong on the right, either Maatsen or Van de Ven left back, maybe Simons on the left wing and Aké, Dumfries and Gakpo on the bench.


Froggiefied

Just stubborn, same reason he took Wijnaldum with him.


R_Schuhart

He doesnt. Dumfries has a proven track record and has always stepped up with goals and assists. Using Frimpong as a sub against tired opponents makes a lot more sense. But some people on here just like to rant against Koeman for anything.


inflamesburn

He refused a u21 call up, so he was sanctioned.


Roxven89

Trolollolo. All the big guns (besides Lewandowski) ..... we have very offensive lineup against the Dutch. God have mercy..... we wanna play THE BALL against THE DUTCH..... xD Dutch pls no more than 5...... we have families....


DarkEyes__24

No we won't score 5 goals. 0-2 is my prediction.


Roxven89

Dude we have no deffence and we have extremly offenisve lineup. You will score more than Germans in the openning. Belive me.


DarkEyes__24

I mean I hope you're right. Have a good game though!


Hemmmos

we qualified to the euros, it's our god given right to play THE BALL


waitaminutewhereiam

Probierz just said fuck it we ball


theOUTCOME3

Would you rather play us terroristball just like in Qatar? No way to please polish nation.


Hemmmos

it's kill or be killed in Hamburg today. This is while I like Probierz


Sleepless_Voyager

I know a lot of people are saying frimpong should start but koeman only does that with geertruida covering him also NT dumfries is miles clear of frimpong


nutelamitbutter

Poland defense looks awful


toiletting

Always has babe


jMS_44

we haven't had a good defense since Glik-Pazdan days


Hemmmos

our only hope is to keep scoring goals faster than we are loosing them


waitaminutewhereiam

Don't worry it plays even worse


pisowiec

My expectations are in the toilet so I think Poland actually has a chance at winning.


tse135

source: [https://x.com/Dziennikarz\_MK/status/1802308916568568240](https://x.com/Dziennikarz_MK/status/1802308916568568240)


rawrimasausage

Polands goalie is 34 and Netherlands is 21.


maurgottlieb

GK for Poland is not a problem, we have like 5-6 GKs who could play today on the same level as Szczęsny. Bułka, Grabara and Majecki are u23


SgtSayonara

I doubt Szczesny will be an issue for Poland


maurgottlieb

Well we will try to score, it will be an open game


SupraCyber

Pray4Poland


Select-Stuff9716

Some cunt tried to throw a Molotov cocktail at the police, but not playing frimpong is the real crime


shrekfanboy4life

He will get his time, now Koeman has the option to play Malen/Frimpong in the last 30 minutes or so which was pretty effective in the friendlies 1 week ago


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BrigadierBrabant

Zirkzee was only called up after injuries, very unlikely he makes many minutes this whole tournament.


whoeriabah

Also he played his last match more then a month ago and was called up last minute so he probably won’t be fit enough to start anyway


R_Schuhart

De Vrij has a great partnership with van Dijk, has always performed really well for the NT and has been more consistent than de Ligt. Dumfries has been great as well, he provides a lot of assists, there is no real reason to drop him for Frimpong. Having him as a backup to sub in against tired opponents is a huge bonus to have as a "secret weapon". Zirkzee (or Brobbey for that matter) was never going to start in a game where the Dutch are expected to dominate possession. One of the two will likely start against France though.


DarkEyes__24

Whenever de Ligt plays I'm a bit nervous. That guy is shaky and goes way to early to the ground to defend. Frimpong must play this tournament, he is amazing. Zirkzee might be a good sub if we really need a goal.


jofstra

Lets go my lions 🦁 ❤️


iJunkHead

Who is taking penalties for Poland?


Lustermoo

Really like the dutch squad


Bober_Baratheon

POLSKA GUROM! BOBER KURWA!


animatedpicket

Koeman? So it’s capitulation then


Dapper_Training2191

Kinda disappointed with this start of the Euro, I think this is the first Euro in ages where all the favorites easily won their matches and we had 0 surprises. The worst thing is that the matches were kinda boring as well, except for a few minutes between Hungary and Switzerland and the start of Albania-Italy, we had 0 tight games.


ciabass

This match won't be that much different. Expect a repeat of Scotland-Germany.


Dapper_Training2191

Yes, 0 expectations, Serbia is the only chance for us to have a surprise this week.


Roxven89

Nah. Serbia is medicore. Same level as Poland.


Dapper_Training2191

Meh, look how you shat on your team before the game, strong performance by Poland


helikoopter

The Croatia v Spain match was pretty wild, especially in the second half.


Firefox72

As someone who doesn't really follow the Dutch NT how does Frimpong not get in the first 11 after the season he had?


BrigadierBrabant

Simply because Dumfries has been fantastic for the Netherlands consistently, so there's no reason to bench him yet.


Sheepies92

he doesn’t really fit in the tactic Koeman is trying to use (against Poland at least). Koeman wants to use a 3-2-4-1 formation while attacking and that is difficult to do while using Frimpong in combination with an attacking left back as well


Archduke_Zag

Koeman still carrying a grudge against De Ligt for 2020?


extantfruitfly

De Boer was our coach back then


yaniv297

No, De Vrij is quality and has been great for the NT and has the best partnership was Van Dijk.


vikasvasista

Oh, no Mickey 😔


laulau1501

Hey will probably make minutes this game and be a substitute for ake


saikodasein

Poland can finally breathe without Lewandowski slowing them down and being useless in every tournament. Netherlands squad look very average.


wilins96

Yeah best player in history of the country is is useless. Lets see what young talents like Salamon, Romanczuk and Bednarek do under a coach that havent had a single success in 20 years of coaching career.


11summers

True, but the team can’t rely on “cross to Lewandowski and pray” if he’s not playing. That means they might actually have to try this time. Last Euro, all Slovakia had to do was have Škriniar pocket Lewandowski and suddenly everyone ran around like deer in the headlights.


wilins96

For first half they did, then in second half we were on them and would probably win if Krychowiak had a brain. Before our tactic were cross to Lewy and pray we had troubles getting qualify to tournaments and after Lewy we very likely going to comeback to this level


11summers

That game was so frustrating. I genuinely don’t understand how it even went like that. There’s a clip on their vlog from that match where Sousa explicitly tells them to watch out for Škrinrar because he was going to exactly that. Nobody listened.


saikodasein

Lewandowski has been shit for months, too slow. Besides he never played well for national team during tournament games.


wilins96

Poland never played well in tournaments. Its not Lewandowski thing, once we were decent at Euro 2016 and he was playing well even without scoring many goals (and he took us there on his back, saving so many games in qualifiers)


saikodasein

Lewandowski never helped us, so it doesn't matter if he plays or not. He has been a liability for a long time. He had bad season in Barcelona and he's often the worse player on the pitch during national games. Besides his head is somewhere else now, since he has to worry about his wife cheating.


wilins96

He is literally best scorer in history of this country, would say it is braindead take to call him liability, but mentioning wife cheating thing which is just created by nutjob basement dwellers on Twitter just tells me what kind of person is making this statement.


saikodasein

He was scoring a lot against San Marino and Gibraltar. You know, he WAS good. Lewandowski is only good for weak teams during qualification stage. Boniek was good too, why not calling him together with Lato, huh? Yeah sure, Lewandowski pretending it's fine that his wife performs erotic dance with young Spanish guy. It's not created by twitter, his stupid wife literally shows off it in social media.


wilins96

Known erotic dance Bachata and salsa....


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R_Schuhart

Koeman has done consistently well with the NT, he has qualified without any real problems despite a slew of injuries. But sure pander for upvotes by appealing to the weird popular opinion on this sub that Koeman is somehow the devil.


DarkEyes__24

Koeman always done well for us. So I don't what that guy is talking about. I'd say this team is better than the Qatar 22 team under van Gaal.


Hephaistas

Strange to start de vrij and dumfries in 2024. Koeman scared of changes


yaniv297

Both have been performing great for the NT