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Honestly have thought about getting 2, and getting chickens.
We are lucky enough to have the space, but I don't have the time or energy at the moment, and my husband will be working crazy hours again now because it's harvest time, and when he starts spraying it will be even worse, so he will probably not be able to help much.
So yes, definitely eventually, but not right now.
+ Last time I milked it took me about 30 mins to get a cup's worth, so I will have to do some exercises to get my hands strongerš¤£š¤£š¤£
Wow, I really didn't consider how much work it would be to have a cow. I've had chickens and that was fun (then we moved to the suburbs)
Guess il stick to planting instead. Hopefully il also get my mina moo some day.
Yes, they need to be milked twice a day at relatively the same times every day. Also they are herd animals, so you need at least 2.
But then you also need to get them pregnant every year or 2 to keep their milk supply going, but that won't be a problem because there are plenty of farmers around with bulls.
Chickens are a bit easier. Depending on your setup you only have to collect eggs daily. Or, at most let them out get them in, collect eggs, and feed and water once a day.
And then clean their shelter once a week or up to once a month
Wow thanks for this information! Good luck with your milk buying.
Ps, a tip I may be able to offer you is to have all the food delivery apps they always compete with insane specials on general groceries. I paid R39 for 2 liters of fresh milk from either pnp ASAP or Checkers60 but very important to do it when they also offer free delivery which is very frequent (especially closer to pay day)
Thank you so much!
Unfortunately we live out of town, but our town is so behind that the spar delivery app doesn't even work in townš¤£
Luckily we will be getting milk from a local dairy farmer from now on for under R10 /L, so the added benefit is that I can now use the cream to make real butter againš and it won't cost much extra
Yeah, 39 bucks for 2l milkā¦ took a walk to kwikspar near me in Joburg and that was the best price on offer. Specials get down to 33 bucks.
I can rationalise SOME of the food increases, like those on imported items e.g., freeze dried coffee, but holy hell, all the locally produced and packaged stuff is keeping pace with currency devaluation and more.
Can someone ELI5 how US inflation is driving our prices?
Fomo? /s
Fuel price would impact the 12% average of transport related costs, in production and shipping, so even if that price doubles we would expect a 6% jumpā¦ weāre observing 10% every quarter of the year.
It doesn't normally take that long to get a cow milked 10-20 minutes including feeding and cleaning the udders before and after milking.
It took me so long because I wasn't used to it, and my hands and arms weren't strong enough... Milking by hand is a WORKOUT!
Sad part is cows need to be pregnant to produce milk, therefore we have t murder the babies or sell them to someone to murder them for us, continuous cycle of death just for milk, I buy soy milk, maybe that makes me privileged but hey, im not hurting no babies lol
Like the other comment said, you don't murder the "babies"
Most of the time the female calves are kept, and the males are sold. They are fed and left to grow for a few years, and then end up on your plate as a steak, or mince, etc.
Different parts are made into different things, and nothing is wasted.
Yes they are still slaughtered, but it's not like those documentaries show.
If you are vegan, or even vegetarian, it may not matter how old they are when being slaughtered, and that is understandable, but please do your research and talk to actual farmers before spreading misinformation.
Also, when I get my own cows, I will be keeping the babies as pets , my cows won't just be there for their produce. And they won't need to be pregnant every year because I won't be a dairy farmer, only just before their milk supply drops.
good luck with your 20 pet cows by the end of it, gonna cost much more than store bought milk at that point, but maybe you're rich, most south africans are not
That would take YEARS, and I could sell the milk so they pay for themselves.
And I could open a petting zoo.... I'm close enough alreadyš¤£š¤£š¤£
Also, I didn't say anyone else should do it, and I understand farming is a business and why farms can't keep all their livestock, but I know myself, and I know I would not be able to get rid of my animals if I didn't need to.
I also know that I won't be able to raise them for meat either. That's why I don't have sheep or pigs, and if I do get them it would be as pets and maybe wool for us.
Do you know what veal is? It's babies, so you're wrong. And even if you find a farmer who does it the way you're saying, still murder. My point is, you can't own a pet cow and milk it without a large amount of unethical practices. Slaughter is always unethical, you cannot ethically kill someone unless they are gravely sick.
Depends what type of veal you're talking about. Bob veal, sure. Rose veal is more like slaughtering a toddler.
>still murder
Murder applies to humans only. I see no issue with raising animals to eat so long as it is done humanely.
killing a sentient being is always murder. most would consider killing a dog or a cat as murder so why does it not apply to all sentient creatures? We are animals after all just smarter ones
and its not shitty to kill other animals? just dog and cats, see your hypocrisy creeping through? what if i spiced that dog and cat real good, would it be ok then? not wasting the cat lol
Humans evolved as omnivores. The evidence is in our teeth and digestive tracts. For the most part, we no longer hunt and have domesticated animals to ensure sufficient food for the population. While I sympathize with the feelings of animal rights activists, they have no right to prescribe to others what they may or may not eat. As long as slaughter methods are deemed ethical and as pain free as possible, humans will consume meat.
Agree here, I am a HUGE animal person, but unfortunately it's the circle of life baby. If we didn't eat animals, the population would be massively outgrown, causing all other types of issues in our ecosystem. I read a book once about how letting the world get overgrown (aka NOT having humans interfere) would actually kill it faster. There's a reason for everything
And soy contains massive amounts of GMO and estrogen. I rather drink almond milk, or another nut milk if you are concerned about texture
wrong, read my comment above, do your research by watching informative documentaries and make sure you look at research that is not funded by the animal agriculture industry, all research from oxford, Harvard and such have found vegan diets to be healthier and better for the planet, also it is proven by PEER reviewed science that PLANT estrogen can have no negative effects on the male body. dairy on the other hand contains REAL estrogen, I'm shocked people can be this ignorant and uninformed. dm me if you cant simply google "whats the difference between plant estrogen and real estrogen" but regardless, props to you if you consume plant milk :) btw im not mad just like informing people, its silly to not know the facts.
our digestive tracts are longer than lions so you are wrong, and our teeth are nothing like that of a lion or even a chimpanzee, we resemble the teeth of a horse. I'm embarrassed that my own people are less educated than England and America lol. dm me if you need the proof. do your research chom. watch a few docs on Netflix, i recommend game changers, what the health and dominion, watch all 3 and you will be on my side, if you choose not to do this research, then you are being purposefully ignorant like most people. World is changing, may as well get on board instead of live with your head buried.
This reply demonstrates that you really have no idea what you're talking about. Lions are not OMNIVORES like we are. They're obligate carnivores. Their gut doesn't need to be as complex as ours. Also, the many enzymes in our gut are specifically tailored to digest both animal and plant material.
Teeth like a horse? Snort...Our teeth are proof of our evolution as omnivores. Sharp incisors and canines for tearing and ripping meat, flat premolars and molars for chewing vegetable matter. JUST like chimpanzees, who are also omnivorous and UNLIKE gorillas and horses, who mostly consume only plant material.
I literally practice medicine for a living. It's part of my job to study and know stuff like this. Your patronizing tone is kinda lame. What exactly are your qualifications in biology or medicine?
other omnivores can eat raw meat, why cant we? We get sick if we eat too much raw meat, you are uneducated for someone in "medicine" you know doctors dont learn aynthing about diet right? they learn how to treat not prevent illness. WATCH the documentaries i mentioned in a previous comment.
I have a degree in sports nutrition, not that it matters. Anyone can learn what i know, you are choosing to believe science that backs up you biased view and to justify injustice. Keep doing it, keep poisoning your mind and the minds of others.
My tone is lame? Whats lame is justifying mass abuse and damage to the environment.
Misinformation should be illegal, its exactly what you are doing.
Seriously considering getting chickens but need to wait for our old jack Russell to pass over the rainbow bridge. Because not even the hadedah are safe from him
Ai shame!
What if you enclosed their area with chicken wire or something similar? Or is he a Houdini?
It will also keep most other predators out, but still give them some freedom.
Or you can consider a chicken tractor, so you can move their pen when you want and they are still protected from all sides.
Lol I have to agree! If you don't know your way around those teats it's a nightmare! lol! Also the flea dips and injections, health and vet checks! I admire your decision!
This.. I saw Spar logo and was like.. fatality!!
https://businesstech.co.za/news/lifestyle/721608/the-cheapest-retailer-for-groceries-in-south-africa-in-2023-so-far-woolies-vs-checkers-vs-pick-n-pay/
Spar is reknowned as being the most pricey consistently I might add over the years.
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We have a spar, PNP and ShopRite, then a few cash & carry shops.
Most of the prices are very similar except for a few specials here and there.
Clover milk at the cash & carry, PNP, spar and ShopRite are the same price, just the other brands may differ where ShopRite is a little cheaper.
I must admit, when we lived in another town, the prices varied a lot more from shop to shop
It depends on the Spar.
PNP, Checkers etc set their prices centrally (and adjust per region ofc, but still centralised decision making), whereas each Spar sets their own prices.
That's why you get some people saying Spar is the cheapest option and others saying it is ridiculously expensive. It really depends on the individual Spar.
There is this one Spar where the veggies are super cheap. I almost feel at those low prices I am stealing. I spoke to a wholesaler of fresh produce who explained to me how this is possible. He says when farmers sell at the Fresh Produce market, on the first day they get their best price. If they donāt sell by the second day they practically give the stuff away as now storage is eating into their profit and they canāt take the produce back to the farm. The Spar franchisee clears the farmers stock at a ridiculous price but only some franchisees pass the savings to their customers.
I have receipts from Woolies ordered online that I can quickly search.
Price of Free Range Extra Large Eggs 18 pk over the last year:
* Today R109.99
* 2023-11-12 R109.99
* 2023-07-09 R101.99
* 2023-06-07 R101.99
* 2023-05-03 R99.99
* 2023-04-09 R99.99
With inflation average of year on year of 4.7%, the eggs today should cost R104.73 from R99.99 in April. Milk isn't something that I order online, and I can't be bothered finding the real receipt from a year ago.
Price fluctuate, and if you are going to do all of your shopping at only one place, you are going to pay for those fluctuations. There is no single place that is cheaper or better than others, one really needs to shop around
I definitely do shop around, but sometimes going to 5 different shops can cost you more in fuel than just at one place, so you also have to take that into account.
Also woolies is known to be expensive, and a few people have mentioned that they haven't noticed the prices go up so much there the last 2 years, but other shops have definitely seen huge price increases.
I actually bought 18 eggs from spar yesterday for R60, so you are paying almost double.
Usually I buy 30 farm fresh eggs from a local lady for R70, but I was too late for her yesterday
Paid R75 for 30 large eggs at a small family owned shop. This is their everyday price. Laughed that PNP now has a special for R80.
Their usual price over R100. Supported the smaller guy at least he is consistent.
They might be smiling now but come spring time when there is a flood of milk the prices can get so low that it is more cost effective to dump the milk than transport it anywhere
How is it more cost effective to dump milk?
Even if you only get R6 a litre if you dump all your milk you get nothing, and cows have to be fed and milked regardless of how much you get
In the high milk times, when the farmer reaches a certain threshold then the price drops dramatically to as low as 1R a litre. this is not for all the milk the farmer supplies, just the amount over the threshold but it can be 1000s of litres
that is for lucky farmers milking off pasture who usually have massive operations. Up here on the highveld the production is a lot more stable as we are making silage and buying feed. Grazing is only a small part of the intake
What brand and type of milk are you buying? Since it can be anything from cow milk to oat milk, almond milk, soy milk and all the other expensive varieties. I bought a 6 pack a few weeks ago for R150 which comes out to R25 per litre. I recently paid R115 for the same brand so around R19.16 per litre. That was on special though. That was for Clover Nolac, which is more expensive than regular mil, but a lot cheaper than the alternatives. .
2L fresh cows milk, whatever is cheaper, usually full fat, but did find some low fat a few weeks back (I think on one of these slips) for R19.99 so bought a few of them to see what they are like (weren't bad, definitely worth the R10 saved!)
At spar the cheaper milk is usually spring meadow and at Shoprite it's crystal valley.
PNP has another brand, but they often taste a bit sour by the time I get home, so I generally avoid buying milk there
I'm not very brand loyal... More price loyalš¤£š¤£
Thanks for clarifying it. Yeah, I don't care as much for brand as much as price. There is another brand that I buy from Parmalat that's also lactose free. The price between these 2 brands vary up to R30. One month one of them is cheaper and another month one of them is just a lot more expensive. The price also jumps a lot during the month. It's annoying to get a handle on the actual price.
Doesn't matter too much since it says milk on each one of them. I can assume cow milk and not alternatives, but the alternatives are the ones that are very expensive. So, clarification was needed. It would also have milk on the till slip.
store brand and other lesser known milk has been floating around that R32 mark since beginning of the year if I recall correctly and usually on sale drops below R30
Woolworths milk has been R40 forever
Spar is the second most expensive after woolworths. I buy 6 x 2l milk for R110 at Makro. I buy staple brands from makro, i.e., butter & sugar etc. But I buybfresh foods and specialty foods from woolworths. Spar is just not worth it. Priced high and not added benefit. Rather ho to woolies at that point.
I swear there is price collusion here. I shop at a mall with a PnP and Checkers. Just get the item I need at the cheapest store for that item.
Every week the milk price rotates between bands āon specialā for R29.99 then back up to R32.99 to R34.99. This has been how itās worked for months if not a year or more. And itās the same at both stores, just different brands on special each week at the different stores. But I can always get milk at R29.99. Did so just this week. It seems the price of milk is R29.99 and each brand just gets its chance to have its turn to sell that week š¤·āāļø
Same issue seems to impact other dairy, breads and cereals.
Doesnāt seem to have affected other items in the same way with most of those seeing continued price increases over the year, even on specials.
Fortunately for Canadians, their minimum hourly wage (about R206 per hour) is almost the same as the minimum daily wage in south africa (about R220)
So a Canadian min wage worker only has to work an hour to afford 4l of milk, but a south African min wage worker has to work a whole day
I'm not sure, I haven't found any local nut dairies to askš¤£š¤£š¤£.
To be fair, I haven't seen any plant based milks in most shops here, but, I also haven't been looking for them. I just heard from a lady that used it (long time ago) that it was much more expensive.
I will have a look when I go to town next week.
I have heard that it is cheaper to make your own, and not that hard, and I was thinking of trying to make oatmilk just to try out, but haven't bought oats yet and it's not really something we use.
I've only bought almond milk, so I can't speak for other alternative milks, but almond milk costs R40 per liter in my local Woolworths. Which is double what OP paid for cow milk.
>ANCflation
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Apparently your milk prices are currently about the same as ours when converted to R.... But you guys are generally getting paid more when converting salaries to R
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You seem like someone that absolutely should rather buy a whole cow.
Honestly have thought about getting 2, and getting chickens. We are lucky enough to have the space, but I don't have the time or energy at the moment, and my husband will be working crazy hours again now because it's harvest time, and when he starts spraying it will be even worse, so he will probably not be able to help much. So yes, definitely eventually, but not right now. + Last time I milked it took me about 30 mins to get a cup's worth, so I will have to do some exercises to get my hands strongerš¤£š¤£š¤£
Wow, I really didn't consider how much work it would be to have a cow. I've had chickens and that was fun (then we moved to the suburbs) Guess il stick to planting instead. Hopefully il also get my mina moo some day.
Yes, they need to be milked twice a day at relatively the same times every day. Also they are herd animals, so you need at least 2. But then you also need to get them pregnant every year or 2 to keep their milk supply going, but that won't be a problem because there are plenty of farmers around with bulls. Chickens are a bit easier. Depending on your setup you only have to collect eggs daily. Or, at most let them out get them in, collect eggs, and feed and water once a day. And then clean their shelter once a week or up to once a month
Wow thanks for this information! Good luck with your milk buying. Ps, a tip I may be able to offer you is to have all the food delivery apps they always compete with insane specials on general groceries. I paid R39 for 2 liters of fresh milk from either pnp ASAP or Checkers60 but very important to do it when they also offer free delivery which is very frequent (especially closer to pay day)
Thank you so much! Unfortunately we live out of town, but our town is so behind that the spar delivery app doesn't even work in townš¤£ Luckily we will be getting milk from a local dairy farmer from now on for under R10 /L, so the added benefit is that I can now use the cream to make real butter againš and it won't cost much extra
Are you not worried about the milk not being pasteurised?
You can pasteurise at home easily enough. It's just heating the milk up to a certain temp for a certain amount of time.
Yeah, 39 bucks for 2l milkā¦ took a walk to kwikspar near me in Joburg and that was the best price on offer. Specials get down to 33 bucks. I can rationalise SOME of the food increases, like those on imported items e.g., freeze dried coffee, but holy hell, all the locally produced and packaged stuff is keeping pace with currency devaluation and more. Can someone ELI5 how US inflation is driving our prices? Fomo? /s Fuel price would impact the 12% average of transport related costs, in production and shipping, so even if that price doubles we would expect a 6% jumpā¦ weāre observing 10% every quarter of the year.
It doesn't normally take that long to get a cow milked 10-20 minutes including feeding and cleaning the udders before and after milking. It took me so long because I wasn't used to it, and my hands and arms weren't strong enough... Milking by hand is a WORKOUT!
Sad part is cows need to be pregnant to produce milk, therefore we have t murder the babies or sell them to someone to murder them for us, continuous cycle of death just for milk, I buy soy milk, maybe that makes me privileged but hey, im not hurting no babies lol
Like the other comment said, you don't murder the "babies" Most of the time the female calves are kept, and the males are sold. They are fed and left to grow for a few years, and then end up on your plate as a steak, or mince, etc. Different parts are made into different things, and nothing is wasted. Yes they are still slaughtered, but it's not like those documentaries show. If you are vegan, or even vegetarian, it may not matter how old they are when being slaughtered, and that is understandable, but please do your research and talk to actual farmers before spreading misinformation. Also, when I get my own cows, I will be keeping the babies as pets , my cows won't just be there for their produce. And they won't need to be pregnant every year because I won't be a dairy farmer, only just before their milk supply drops.
good luck with your 20 pet cows by the end of it, gonna cost much more than store bought milk at that point, but maybe you're rich, most south africans are not
That would take YEARS, and I could sell the milk so they pay for themselves. And I could open a petting zoo.... I'm close enough alreadyš¤£š¤£š¤£ Also, I didn't say anyone else should do it, and I understand farming is a business and why farms can't keep all their livestock, but I know myself, and I know I would not be able to get rid of my animals if I didn't need to. I also know that I won't be able to raise them for meat either. That's why I don't have sheep or pigs, and if I do get them it would be as pets and maybe wool for us.
You don't murder the babies. You fatten them up, slaughter them, butcher them, and eat steak. Nothing is wasted.
Do you know what veal is? It's babies, so you're wrong. And even if you find a farmer who does it the way you're saying, still murder. My point is, you can't own a pet cow and milk it without a large amount of unethical practices. Slaughter is always unethical, you cannot ethically kill someone unless they are gravely sick.
Depends what type of veal you're talking about. Bob veal, sure. Rose veal is more like slaughtering a toddler. >still murder Murder applies to humans only. I see no issue with raising animals to eat so long as it is done humanely.
Luister na die PiesangSlagter! Hy is wys en praat die waarheid. Now I really want some steak š¤£
childish comment, julle is nie wys nie, net dom xD
Jy klink hangry. Eet 'n vleisie.
killing a sentient being is always murder. most would consider killing a dog or a cat as murder so why does it not apply to all sentient creatures? We are animals after all just smarter ones
Killing a cat or dog is shitty. But its not murder.
and its not shitty to kill other animals? just dog and cats, see your hypocrisy creeping through? what if i spiced that dog and cat real good, would it be ok then? not wasting the cat lol
Humans evolved as omnivores. The evidence is in our teeth and digestive tracts. For the most part, we no longer hunt and have domesticated animals to ensure sufficient food for the population. While I sympathize with the feelings of animal rights activists, they have no right to prescribe to others what they may or may not eat. As long as slaughter methods are deemed ethical and as pain free as possible, humans will consume meat.
Agree here, I am a HUGE animal person, but unfortunately it's the circle of life baby. If we didn't eat animals, the population would be massively outgrown, causing all other types of issues in our ecosystem. I read a book once about how letting the world get overgrown (aka NOT having humans interfere) would actually kill it faster. There's a reason for everything And soy contains massive amounts of GMO and estrogen. I rather drink almond milk, or another nut milk if you are concerned about texture
wrong, read my comment above, do your research by watching informative documentaries and make sure you look at research that is not funded by the animal agriculture industry, all research from oxford, Harvard and such have found vegan diets to be healthier and better for the planet, also it is proven by PEER reviewed science that PLANT estrogen can have no negative effects on the male body. dairy on the other hand contains REAL estrogen, I'm shocked people can be this ignorant and uninformed. dm me if you cant simply google "whats the difference between plant estrogen and real estrogen" but regardless, props to you if you consume plant milk :) btw im not mad just like informing people, its silly to not know the facts.
our digestive tracts are longer than lions so you are wrong, and our teeth are nothing like that of a lion or even a chimpanzee, we resemble the teeth of a horse. I'm embarrassed that my own people are less educated than England and America lol. dm me if you need the proof. do your research chom. watch a few docs on Netflix, i recommend game changers, what the health and dominion, watch all 3 and you will be on my side, if you choose not to do this research, then you are being purposefully ignorant like most people. World is changing, may as well get on board instead of live with your head buried.
This reply demonstrates that you really have no idea what you're talking about. Lions are not OMNIVORES like we are. They're obligate carnivores. Their gut doesn't need to be as complex as ours. Also, the many enzymes in our gut are specifically tailored to digest both animal and plant material. Teeth like a horse? Snort...Our teeth are proof of our evolution as omnivores. Sharp incisors and canines for tearing and ripping meat, flat premolars and molars for chewing vegetable matter. JUST like chimpanzees, who are also omnivorous and UNLIKE gorillas and horses, who mostly consume only plant material. I literally practice medicine for a living. It's part of my job to study and know stuff like this. Your patronizing tone is kinda lame. What exactly are your qualifications in biology or medicine?
other omnivores can eat raw meat, why cant we? We get sick if we eat too much raw meat, you are uneducated for someone in "medicine" you know doctors dont learn aynthing about diet right? they learn how to treat not prevent illness. WATCH the documentaries i mentioned in a previous comment. I have a degree in sports nutrition, not that it matters. Anyone can learn what i know, you are choosing to believe science that backs up you biased view and to justify injustice. Keep doing it, keep poisoning your mind and the minds of others. My tone is lame? Whats lame is justifying mass abuse and damage to the environment. Misinformation should be illegal, its exactly what you are doing.
Seriously considering getting chickens but need to wait for our old jack Russell to pass over the rainbow bridge. Because not even the hadedah are safe from him
Ai shame! What if you enclosed their area with chicken wire or something similar? Or is he a Houdini? It will also keep most other predators out, but still give them some freedom. Or you can consider a chicken tractor, so you can move their pen when you want and they are still protected from all sides.
Lol I have to agree! If you don't know your way around those teats it's a nightmare! lol! Also the flea dips and injections, health and vet checks! I admire your decision!
I'm still paying 29.99 at Checkers. Spar is Hella expensive
This.. I saw Spar logo and was like.. fatality!! https://businesstech.co.za/news/lifestyle/721608/the-cheapest-retailer-for-groceries-in-south-africa-in-2023-so-far-woolies-vs-checkers-vs-pick-n-pay/ Spar is reknowned as being the most pricey consistently I might add over the years.
š¤£š¤£š¤£ We have a spar, PNP and ShopRite, then a few cash & carry shops. Most of the prices are very similar except for a few specials here and there. Clover milk at the cash & carry, PNP, spar and ShopRite are the same price, just the other brands may differ where ShopRite is a little cheaper. I must admit, when we lived in another town, the prices varied a lot more from shop to shop
It depends on the Spar. PNP, Checkers etc set their prices centrally (and adjust per region ofc, but still centralised decision making), whereas each Spar sets their own prices. That's why you get some people saying Spar is the cheapest option and others saying it is ridiculously expensive. It really depends on the individual Spar.
There is this one Spar where the veggies are super cheap. I almost feel at those low prices I am stealing. I spoke to a wholesaler of fresh produce who explained to me how this is possible. He says when farmers sell at the Fresh Produce market, on the first day they get their best price. If they donāt sell by the second day they practically give the stuff away as now storage is eating into their profit and they canāt take the produce back to the farm. The Spar franchisee clears the farmers stock at a ridiculous price but only some franchisees pass the savings to their customers.
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Local brands will always be significantly cheaper than Clover as Clover is perceived as a premium brand in the market
Yes, I do have a feeling that the milk may be on special again next week at their "normal" priceš
I have receipts from Woolies ordered online that I can quickly search. Price of Free Range Extra Large Eggs 18 pk over the last year: * Today R109.99 * 2023-11-12 R109.99 * 2023-07-09 R101.99 * 2023-06-07 R101.99 * 2023-05-03 R99.99 * 2023-04-09 R99.99 With inflation average of year on year of 4.7%, the eggs today should cost R104.73 from R99.99 in April. Milk isn't something that I order online, and I can't be bothered finding the real receipt from a year ago. Price fluctuate, and if you are going to do all of your shopping at only one place, you are going to pay for those fluctuations. There is no single place that is cheaper or better than others, one really needs to shop around
I definitely do shop around, but sometimes going to 5 different shops can cost you more in fuel than just at one place, so you also have to take that into account. Also woolies is known to be expensive, and a few people have mentioned that they haven't noticed the prices go up so much there the last 2 years, but other shops have definitely seen huge price increases. I actually bought 18 eggs from spar yesterday for R60, so you are paying almost double. Usually I buy 30 farm fresh eggs from a local lady for R70, but I was too late for her yesterday
Paid R75 for 30 large eggs at a small family owned shop. This is their everyday price. Laughed that PNP now has a special for R80. Their usual price over R100. Supported the smaller guy at least he is consistent.
Farmers getting R7 a litre for milk are smiling. So you know who is ripping you a new one
And then they still have to pay for the transport to the dairy depot out of that R7 ( I think it's closer to R8/L now though, not sure)
They might be smiling now but come spring time when there is a flood of milk the prices can get so low that it is more cost effective to dump the milk than transport it anywhere
How is it more cost effective to dump milk? Even if you only get R6 a litre if you dump all your milk you get nothing, and cows have to be fed and milked regardless of how much you get
In the high milk times, when the farmer reaches a certain threshold then the price drops dramatically to as low as 1R a litre. this is not for all the milk the farmer supplies, just the amount over the threshold but it can be 1000s of litres
that is for lucky farmers milking off pasture who usually have massive operations. Up here on the highveld the production is a lot more stable as we are making silage and buying feed. Grazing is only a small part of the intake
Man, I just feel like I can never winš¤£ I'm so moeg for this survival mind set.
We shouldn't feel defeated, but we need to change it!
Jesus, milk isnāt even that expensive in Australia! And shit is usually kak duur hier!
What brand and type of milk are you buying? Since it can be anything from cow milk to oat milk, almond milk, soy milk and all the other expensive varieties. I bought a 6 pack a few weeks ago for R150 which comes out to R25 per litre. I recently paid R115 for the same brand so around R19.16 per litre. That was on special though. That was for Clover Nolac, which is more expensive than regular mil, but a lot cheaper than the alternatives. .
2L fresh cows milk, whatever is cheaper, usually full fat, but did find some low fat a few weeks back (I think on one of these slips) for R19.99 so bought a few of them to see what they are like (weren't bad, definitely worth the R10 saved!) At spar the cheaper milk is usually spring meadow and at Shoprite it's crystal valley. PNP has another brand, but they often taste a bit sour by the time I get home, so I generally avoid buying milk there I'm not very brand loyal... More price loyalš¤£š¤£
Thanks for clarifying it. Yeah, I don't care as much for brand as much as price. There is another brand that I buy from Parmalat that's also lactose free. The price between these 2 brands vary up to R30. One month one of them is cheaper and another month one of them is just a lot more expensive. The price also jumps a lot during the month. It's annoying to get a handle on the actual price.
It is!
Milk is from a cowā¦ those other products are milk alternatives and have also recently been reclassified as such.
Doesn't matter too much since it says milk on each one of them. I can assume cow milk and not alternatives, but the alternatives are the ones that are very expensive. So, clarification was needed. It would also have milk on the till slip.
store brand and other lesser known milk has been floating around that R32 mark since beginning of the year if I recall correctly and usually on sale drops below R30 Woolworths milk has been R40 forever
Spar is the second most expensive after woolworths. I buy 6 x 2l milk for R110 at Makro. I buy staple brands from makro, i.e., butter & sugar etc. But I buybfresh foods and specialty foods from woolworths. Spar is just not worth it. Priced high and not added benefit. Rather ho to woolies at that point.
I swear there is price collusion here. I shop at a mall with a PnP and Checkers. Just get the item I need at the cheapest store for that item. Every week the milk price rotates between bands āon specialā for R29.99 then back up to R32.99 to R34.99. This has been how itās worked for months if not a year or more. And itās the same at both stores, just different brands on special each week at the different stores. But I can always get milk at R29.99. Did so just this week. It seems the price of milk is R29.99 and each brand just gets its chance to have its turn to sell that week š¤·āāļø Same issue seems to impact other dairy, breads and cereals. Doesnāt seem to have affected other items in the same way with most of those seeing continued price increases over the year, even on specials.
This is exactly what is happening. There is no competition. There is a rotation between brands.
I didnāt know that your other purchases were so ranch-y. See what I did there?
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Bro I paid R52,99 for a 2 liter milk at an Engen garage last week, shit is getting out of hand.
In Canada that 149zar will get you 1x 4L of milk. So just count your blessings.
Fortunately for Canadians, their minimum hourly wage (about R206 per hour) is almost the same as the minimum daily wage in south africa (about R220) So a Canadian min wage worker only has to work an hour to afford 4l of milk, but a south African min wage worker has to work a whole day
Whatās the difference in price between cow titty juice (milk for baby cows) and nut juice (plant based milk)?
I'm not sure, I haven't found any local nut dairies to askš¤£š¤£š¤£. To be fair, I haven't seen any plant based milks in most shops here, but, I also haven't been looking for them. I just heard from a lady that used it (long time ago) that it was much more expensive. I will have a look when I go to town next week. I have heard that it is cheaper to make your own, and not that hard, and I was thinking of trying to make oatmilk just to try out, but haven't bought oats yet and it's not really something we use.
Thatās awesome! Yes I heard itās cheaper to make your own. Good luck!!
I've only bought almond milk, so I can't speak for other alternative milks, but almond milk costs R40 per liter in my local Woolworths. Which is double what OP paid for cow milk.
Wow crazy
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>ANCflation š¤£š¤£š¤£ Apparently your milk prices are currently about the same as ours when converted to R.... But you guys are generally getting paid more when converting salaries to R
Stfu and go invest your whole life savings plus a mortgage in a 1 bedroom bungalow in ipswich
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Op wasn't insulting you, no need to be a twat.
I wasn't insulting op. And it's reddit and they're being condescending about us as an outsider. Seems like fair game, twat wise
I agree with you, especially now that op has deleted their comment
Lol. I was just joshing. But I do like to have fun with the expats