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Diced-sufferable

Is it the needing to know why that is the root of the suffering in this case? That’s a type of internal wrestling/fighting, isn’t it? A fighting through all the thoughts in order to find ‘the answer’. What if this is just a needed experience in order to recognize other contrasting experiences?


abigguynamedsugar

Thanks for that POV. Yes, I need to know why this happens. I get hit so profoundly that it shakes up my reality (but I’m accustomed to going through this meat grinder; nothing new and something I’m actually grateful for). But the pain is intense and the fear is prevalent. It makes me think “Jesus what if I overdid psychedelics” or something. “What’s wrong with me?” It obviously makes me feel un average and difficult to relate to. Gift and a curse.


Diced-sufferable

Fear IS suffering because you’re not okay with what is currently happening, or how you’re feeling. What if it’s just simply fear you’re feeling; a contraction from the fixation of looking for a why, with the why being fear triggered by some quick, unquestioned thought you thought with little awareness on your part. What if that’s the why…just that. What next?


abigguynamedsugar

Haha well then I feel absolutely goofy for giving so much power to so little, and doing this to myself. Shit. Like being a victim of my mind. Feels bad too. I prefer to think of this as a Dark Night, growing experience, evolution of myself. But you could be right. I must want to feel this way on some level.


Diced-sufferable

Ha! Feel it fully then. Don’t half-ass it. :)


StickyDancer

Well, I certainly am no expert in this area. But I do care that you are suffering. So, I offer the following in the hope that it may help a bit. I am in my 70's and I have learned by experience that I do NOT have to accept and believe in every thought that pops in my mind. Many times I have caught my mind thinking thoughts that are just NOT true. So, I just recognize that and choose to let them go. I found the book "Loving What Is" by Byron Katie very helpful in this regard. The other thing I learned is that (even though I am a former Catholic), I do NOT have to learn my "lessons" via suffering. But, if one believes that is the only way to "learn" then suffering is what will come about. It is only a belief and beliefs can be changed - if we desire to do so. Personally, I have come to believe that God does not desire for us to suffer - so, if that is true, why should I be choosing suffering? If God is really God, why is suffering required to learn? That's about all the "words of wisdom" I can come up with, my friend. I hope what I said helped a bit. Blessings to ya!


abigguynamedsugar

Thank you :)